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ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
October 11 2020 11:58 GMT
#321
On October 11 2020 20:57 KobraKay wrote:

He had no scouting available for him, he "didn't know" Flash was commiting.


count units + aggression or no
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7474 Posts
October 11 2020 11:59 GMT
#322
Now I get the rare honor of rooting against zerg.

FREE HWAITING~!

Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
October 11 2020 12:00 GMT
#323
On October 11 2020 20:57 KobraKay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2020 20:54 ggsimida wrote:
On October 11 2020 20:51 goody153 wrote:
On October 11 2020 20:50 Terrorbladder wrote:
On October 11 2020 20:47 Zaibakk wrote:
Guys Snow lost a LOT of probes during 1st AND 2nd push... so it was not a throw by him at all. Infact he has a poor number of dragoons. GJ FLASH!
Yes you are correct. Flash killed like at least 7 probes and 10 cannons. The supply count was very close for a 1 base vs 2 base game.

^


the misplay by snow was making too many probes in the first place since he knew flash is committing to the 4 gate reaver allin. will have stabilise on production and get his own reaver out faster by cutting probes earlier


He had no probs already..."cuting probes" is not an option when you dont have them in the first place. Or do you mean before the first push by Flash?

He had no scouting available for him, he "didn't know" Flash was commiting.


i think he meant that snow should've cut probes after Flash failed initial push. He definitely built a lot of probes after the push since his natural saturation looked pretty high. I am not sure if Snow knew Flash was allining on 4 gates and in that case, I understood why he made so many probes. He didn't see the 4 gates but he saw Flash parking a lot of goons at his natural so I think he was not really sure what was going on.
HaFnium
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United Kingdom1076 Posts
October 11 2020 12:00 GMT
#324
On October 11 2020 20:57 KobraKay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2020 20:54 ggsimida wrote:
On October 11 2020 20:51 goody153 wrote:
On October 11 2020 20:50 Terrorbladder wrote:
On October 11 2020 20:47 Zaibakk wrote:
Guys Snow lost a LOT of probes during 1st AND 2nd push... so it was not a throw by him at all. Infact he has a poor number of dragoons. GJ FLASH!
Yes you are correct. Flash killed like at least 7 probes and 10 cannons. The supply count was very close for a 1 base vs 2 base game.

^


the misplay by snow was making too many probes in the first place since he knew flash is committing to the 4 gate reaver allin. will have stabilise on production and get his own reaver out faster by cutting probes earlier


He had no probs already..."cuting probes" is not an option when you dont have them in the first place. Or do you mean before the first push by Flash?

He had no scouting available for him, he "didn't know" Flash was commiting.


While snow did not directly scout Flash, I guess he could have guessed Flash is commiting with that much goons/reavers..
I also felt that Snow was over-producing probes, from what I could tell from the stream he was making probes right up till the end... going up to 5/6 gate would be better imo..
BW forever!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8529 Posts
October 11 2020 12:01 GMT
#325
Is free ahead ?!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
October 11 2020 12:02 GMT
#326
On October 11 2020 21:01 prosatan wrote:
Is free ahead ?!


yeah i think he is ahead.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
October 11 2020 12:03 GMT
#327
On October 11 2020 21:00 HaFnium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2020 20:57 KobraKay wrote:
On October 11 2020 20:54 ggsimida wrote:
On October 11 2020 20:51 goody153 wrote:
On October 11 2020 20:50 Terrorbladder wrote:
On October 11 2020 20:47 Zaibakk wrote:
Guys Snow lost a LOT of probes during 1st AND 2nd push... so it was not a throw by him at all. Infact he has a poor number of dragoons. GJ FLASH!
Yes you are correct. Flash killed like at least 7 probes and 10 cannons. The supply count was very close for a 1 base vs 2 base game.

^


the misplay by snow was making too many probes in the first place since he knew flash is committing to the 4 gate reaver allin. will have stabilise on production and get his own reaver out faster by cutting probes earlier


He had no probs already..."cuting probes" is not an option when you dont have them in the first place. Or do you mean before the first push by Flash?

He had no scouting available for him, he "didn't know" Flash was commiting.


While snow did not directly scout Flash, I guess he could have guessed Flash is commiting with that much goons/reavers..
I also felt that Snow was over-producing probes, from what I could tell from the stream he was making probes right up till the end... going up to 5/6 gate would be better imo..


Slowing probe production while teching to reaver is also feasible? That helps defend any second push, or pressure Flash's own expo if he tries to macro instead.
gg no re thx
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1244 Posts
October 11 2020 12:03 GMT
#328
I'd also like to point that Flash playing random is actually quite advantageous in the regular ASL format (Bo1's included in the latter stages where players are actually good).

He mains Terran, so he'll win 90% of those games, no matter what.
PvP is very build order/luck dependent and he has no fear in throwing some wild stuff out there against opponents that easily mind-gamed because they have to deal with Random.
PvZ - starting as Random in this is actually huge and gives him a sizeable advantage.
ZvZ - underdog here since his micro here will always be inferior to all other pros.
ZvT - knows Terran's strats in and out so he has plenty of room to maneuver.

All in all I think this whole Random thing is actually not bad at all for Flash. Sneaky tactic in and of itself.
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4260 Posts
October 11 2020 12:04 GMT
#329
On October 11 2020 20:58 ggsimida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2020 20:57 KobraKay wrote:

He had no scouting available for him, he "didn't know" Flash was commiting.


count units + aggression or no


Ok I can understand that.

Im not fully sure he was always aware of how much Flash had, specially after killing the slow reaver but I understand that although I cant, pro's can keep track of that even in the midst of those fights.
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8529 Posts
October 11 2020 12:04 GMT
#330
73 / 43 supply for Free....maybe he is indeed ahead
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
October 11 2020 12:06 GMT
#331
herO has tenacity
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7474 Posts
October 11 2020 12:07 GMT
#332
Glad to see he took his main double gas.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
October 11 2020 12:09 GMT
#333
Free playing solid, stop calling him old or smth. Hope he smashes herO.
sunbeams are never made like me...
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7474 Posts
October 11 2020 12:11 GMT
#334
Imo, Free has the best large army movement and lategame management of any PvZer ever. I know he is freshly back from the army but dude is a legend of lategame to me.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7474 Posts
October 11 2020 12:12 GMT
#335
And this looks bad.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
October 11 2020 12:12 GMT
#336
Damn losing 4 DT shuttle like that..
sunbeams are never made like me...
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
October 11 2020 12:13 GMT
#337
free is screwed
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44238 Posts
October 11 2020 12:13 GMT
#338
watching the left-center minimap is funny with all the zerg running around

like a true hive race that zerg is
this is a quote
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8529 Posts
October 11 2020 12:14 GMT
#339
Almost GG for Free
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7474 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-11 12:17:23
October 11 2020 12:16 GMT
#340
damn, free was looking pretty good there. Next season.

and it is a bo3 ... FREE COME BACK TIME!
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