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NeMu
Profile Joined September 2019
68 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-18 16:05:15
February 18 2020 16:01 GMT
#61
I have no doubt Mr.Brain wants to help the starcraft community but I also have no doubt he is highly delusional he can do it by himself and his weird rules because he is the Russian with money....
Yes with money comes power but responsibility also!
If I'm not dead or crippled I will eventually make enough money to sponsor minimum 50k$ tournaments every year SWC(Starcraft World Cup for example) or maybe make it an online league doesn't really matter the point is I love this game the way I love my integrity and morals so there will be fair play and good money at some point one way or the other amigos
p.p when non kors start playing all day again and can do comfortably sustaining a family then we will see how good these Koreans are ^^
...onmYwaY
Profile Joined August 2018
92 Posts
February 18 2020 16:11 GMT
#62
Not sure what word you want me to have balls to keep? Anyway... the response you posted do clear things up and getting rid of that horrible rule (that left the admins way to much freedom of interpretation) would be the best you could do. I looked into the rule book and it state one example of 5 pool vs 12FE... and the other 2000 scenarios was up for admins interpretation... which in this case was clearly wrong.

Get rid of it and I will stand by my word and keep watching your tournaments which are, all things aside, great and awesome for the community. I thank you for that.

Also... I stand by my word that I beat Casper 😉
Ikirouta
Profile Blog Joined November 2017
Finland740 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-18 17:46:04
February 18 2020 17:44 GMT
#63
On February 18 2020 23:56 Liquid`Drone wrote:
That's dumb though - Rus_Brain is the most accommodating host I've ever experienced, anywhere. Incredibly helpful with visa and takes very good care of his guests..


Can you guys just read this & calm the fuck down, Rus_Brain is literally the guy whos almost singlehandedly saving foreign BW. Hes just a human, humans make errors. Be grateful that we have tourneys you can play in.
Pusan fan #1, bad sair/reaver enthuisiast. twitch.tv/ikirouta
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
February 18 2020 18:40 GMT
#64
On February 18 2020 23:52 EndingLife wrote:
With actions like these, I can see why so many Non-Europeans were/are scared to fly to Russia if they qualified for
Corrupted Cup or RCG.




Stop talking bullshit.
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-18 19:25:56
February 18 2020 19:21 GMT
#65
While I don't condone BM by eonzerg, it is a bit strange that Casper himself admits in the channel that he quit because he forgot a depot, and still the admins need additional evidence to come up later to do anything about it, or is it straight up allowed for you to quit if you 8 rax and mess up within the 2 minutes?

Let's say I do a BBS and mis-calculate the building placement or get scouted by drone so I just quit? A bit of a weird decision to be sure. As Marwin said, in tournaments where replays can be reviewed, the rules are usually flexible depending on interpretation of the situation.

As for the admins to say "just man up and beat him in the regame if you are so good" is beyond unprofessional.
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6815 Posts
February 18 2020 19:38 GMT
#66
i made a mistake. i have to admit i was already titted with dreamer.and my imagination is really big. i saw a big complot going and how something so obvious to me. i didnt understand why it wasnt for others.i see this guy insulting me everywhere and while i ignored it i had the terrible luck of meeting him as admin in bwjeez.with the unluck that casper also did a shitty move.i just exploded.but it happen cuz i was with the mindset of it anyway.i will ban myself from jeez for now.The true i just wanted to play some games.i didnt want to get in such situation and i ended anyway.
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1599 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-18 19:42:00
February 18 2020 19:39 GMT
#67
On February 19 2020 04:21 LG)Sabbath wrote:
While I don't condone BM by eonzerg, it is a bit strange that Casper himself admits in the channel that he quit because he forgot a depot, and still the admins need additional evidence to come up later to do anything about it, or is it straight up allowed for you to quit if you 8 rax and mess up within the 2 minutes?

Let's say I do a BBS and mis-calculate the building placement or get scouted by drone so I just quit? A bit of a weird decision to be sure. As Marwin said, in tournaments where replays can be reviewed, the rules are usually flexible depending on interpretation of the situation.

As for the admins to say "just man up and beat him in the regame if you are so good" is beyond unprofessional.

Who cares about professionalism as long as he's bringing money into the scene. Stop talking bullshit.
^That was a joke for those who can't read between the lines...
The only way banning Eon makes sense is if he was bm BEFORE the admins made the decision to re-game after casper messed up his opening. If he doesn't speak his mind and state why what the admins did was unfair, the problem with biased and unfair treatment in tournaments will never be fixed.
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1894 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-19 02:22:04
February 19 2020 01:33 GMT
#68
On February 19 2020 04:21 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Casper himself admits in the channel that he quit because he forgot a depot
Would you please share the link/ video? That would have helped.
patyrykin.net
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
February 19 2020 03:49 GMT
#69
On February 17 2020 19:09 FakeFin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2020 17:11 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
who the heck is this Parfume dude anyways? He clearly has the skill to beat players like ZeLoT, Shine, Scan, etc.. he could have played in the ASL qualifiers if he wanted to and maybe even get in, imo. Anyone knows who this dude is? He came out of nowhere, too..

He played in the jeez weeklys since the very beginning and also played in stpl for souL. Chances are he played in asl qualifiers, but we don't know his korean name, so we cant really find out


Parfume (MyWay[s]) - 신현수(Shin, Hyeon Su/Hyun Su/Hyeon Soo/ Hyun Soo)

God I hate Korean romanization doesn't have rules yet in 2020 :D. But you guys can get it how to be read his name.
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
February 19 2020 04:10 GMT
#70
On February 19 2020 10:33 Rus_Brain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2020 04:21 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Casper himself admits in the channel that he quit because he forgot a depot
Would you please share the link/ video? That would have helped.

Posted by eon earlier https://www.twitch.tv/videos/553360016
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
FakeFin
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany392 Posts
February 19 2020 06:50 GMT
#71
On February 19 2020 12:49 LaStScan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2020 19:09 FakeFin wrote:
On February 17 2020 17:11 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
who the heck is this Parfume dude anyways? He clearly has the skill to beat players like ZeLoT, Shine, Scan, etc.. he could have played in the ASL qualifiers if he wanted to and maybe even get in, imo. Anyone knows who this dude is? He came out of nowhere, too..

He played in the jeez weeklys since the very beginning and also played in stpl for souL. Chances are he played in asl qualifiers, but we don't know his korean name, so we cant really find out


Parfume (MyWay[s]) - 신현수(Shin, Hyeon Su/Hyun Su/Hyeon Soo/ Hyun Soo)

God I hate Korean romanization doesn't have rules yet in 2020 :D. But you guys can get it how to be read his name.

Is he the same player as `iOps]..SenSe, who played in SSL 8 or is it just the same name?
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1894 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-19 12:34:31
February 19 2020 12:31 GMT
#72
On February 19 2020 13:10 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2020 10:33 Rus_Brain wrote:
On February 19 2020 04:21 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Casper himself admits in the channel that he quit because he forgot a depot
Would you please share the link/ video? That would have helped.

Posted by eon earlier https://www.twitch.tv/videos/553360016
But Casper referred as he could not make a depo, not he forgot. To the contrary this video alone contains evidence of Eon's black speech enough to get penalized.
patyrykin.net
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1943 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-19 13:15:07
February 19 2020 13:10 GMT
#73
Does it matter at all what Casper referred to it? How is the accused perpetrator saying something to be taken as evidence? Do you think that anyone guilty would ever just go ahead and say in chat that he did in fact restart because he forgot the depot?
It is pretty bogus to take his word, and either way, the solution to it should've been F10-P to pause and fix the mouse, instead of leaving the game.
By the way, weird that he ended up building rax and gas both before the supply, if it was a mouse issue.

Of course, admins can do as they see fit, but the obvious bad blood between dreamer and eon shouldn't be ignored in the ruling, and it is a fact proven with video that the admin did in fact lie about the case (ex: it wasn't a one second decision, it was done after careful re-examination with head admin, easily disproven by eon's video).

Increasing the penalty and masking it as making it lighter in corporate speak is also scummy as hell, and increasing it in the first place over this is quite absurd, considering eon wasn't even the one who first mentioned it in this thread, he just put his side of the story in here.

Leaves a sour taste when you look at it.

I don't believe you.
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1599 Posts
February 19 2020 14:17 GMT
#74
Artosis has the same problem at least once a game. His supply depot simply, "doesn't build".
Anyone halfway decent at the game knows why that happens. The fact that Brain is STILL defending Casper is just beyond absurd. The corruption is real in Russia.
Russian Corrupted Games 2020!!!
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-19 14:28:47
February 19 2020 14:25 GMT
#75
I'm not sure if some people are being sarcastic or not, because Brain is actually claiming that his depot magically didn't build, despite the video showing Casper having 400 apm at all times. It's very hard to do that if your mouse doesn't work. If you have 400 apm you can use one of those actions to tell the scv to build a depot again.
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
ash_dreamer_1
Profile Joined February 2020
Russian Federation181 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-19 14:59:52
February 19 2020 14:54 GMT
#76
Does it matter at all what Casper referred to it? How is the accused perpetrator saying something to be taken as evidence? Do you think that anyone guilty would ever just go ahead and say in chat that he did in fact restart because he forgot the depot?
It is pretty bogus to take his word, and either way, the solution to it should've been F10-P to pause and fix the mouse, instead of leaving the game.
By the way, weird that he ended up building rax and gas both before the supply, if it was a mouse issue.

Of course, admins can do as they see fit, but the obvious bad blood between dreamer and eon shouldn't be ignored in the ruling, and it is a fact proven with video that the admin did in fact lie about the case (ex: it wasn't a one second decision, it was done after careful re-examination with head admin, easily disproven by eon's video).

Increasing the penalty and masking it as making it lighter in corporate speak is also scummy as hell, and increasing it in the first place over this is quite absurd, considering eon wasn't even the one who first mentioned it in this thread, he just put his side of the story in here.

Leaves a sour taste when you look at it.


My first decision was based on a set of rules. After watching replay, I turned to master admin for a consultation. After which was made final decision. Where did I lie?
KameZerg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1767 Posts
February 19 2020 15:21 GMT
#77
Who cares it's 1 tour, 1 game and under 2 minutes in??? Just freaking re it. I praise admins and Rus brain because I wouldn't be as patient as them lol.
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Q~Bert
Profile Joined June 2006
United States670 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-19 16:19:50
February 19 2020 16:18 GMT
#78
On February 20 2020 00:21 KameZerg wrote:
Who cares it's 1 tour, 1 game and under 2 minutes in??? Just freaking re it. I praise admins and Rus brain because I wouldn't be as patient as them lol.


Well in fairness, it's quite evident that Casper didn't realize that depot didn't make and went ahead and made the gas. This is a mistake by him and should never entitle him for a redo. If this mistake was made by Bonyth, fine, let's give it a go because he is a respectable pillar of the community who would offer the same if the roles were reversed. But Casper is a shirtless alcoholic who tells players in game that their mothers suck black dick and get gangbanged by nxggers.

Of all people, why side with this man? Simply because he is russian and Eon is a very unlikable person? Even players such as Eon deserve justice.

User was temp banned for this post.
aka: Yaj
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1894 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-19 17:07:48
February 19 2020 16:38 GMT
#79
On February 19 2020 22:10 abuse wrote:
Does it matter at all what Casper referred to it? How is the accused perpetrator saying something to be taken as evidence? Do you think that anyone guilty would ever just go ahead and say in chat that he did in fact restart because he forgot the depot?

Leaves a sour taste when you look at it.
That's the case. A lone accusation by itself without an evidence costs little. And this up to accuser to provide proper evidence. At least this is stated in every constitution I know. In Latvia it is section 92, for example.

This core principle has recently eroded worldwide. And we can hear statements like: "You are highly likely %any_statement%", supported by a solid amount of Facebook likes, instead of bulletproof evidence.

So far the evidence here is the words "self evident", "obvious", "quite evident" and alike.

If Eon would have scouted a rax, or would have killed scouting scv, or would have noticed a bunker being built, a regame would have been unfair irrespective to whether Casper "forgot" or "could not" build a supply. And such odd situations are as well stated in the rulebook.

Our case if very different and I belive an enforced regame fit well with the frames admins built for themselves and must therefore abide.

Eliminating this regame timeframe entirely opens another rule abuse related to lags. But a threat made earlier here to abuse 2 minutes rule and play 4 pool only without scout is something to consider. We have anticipated that earlier and implemented a "Time waste" rule. Though it is much easier and professionally proactive to consider the threats and update the 2 mins rule to read as 1 min.

This case should have ended up the minute it happened. It didn't, and after an admin made a decision, the first one started to curse an admin and all the nation he belongs to. The other one started to make bad jokes and curse the first. It is just and fair to cut both tongues for ten tournaments.

The biased thing, guys, is that some of you got used to happy ends. In Soviet Russia you may end up in Gulag. Both Eon and Casper did.

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 20 2020 01:18 Q~Bert wrote:
If this mistake was made by Bonyth, fine, let's give it a go because he is a respectable pillar of the community who would offer the same if the roles were reversed. But Casper is a shirtless alcoholic who tells players in game that their mothers suck black dick and get gangbanged by nxggers.
The unbiased judgement.


+ Show Spoiler +
On February 19 2020 23:25 LG)Sabbath wrote:
because Brain is actually claiming that his depot magically didn't build
I'm claiming you have not supported your allegations properly.
patyrykin.net
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1599 Posts
February 19 2020 16:53 GMT
#80
LMAO!!!

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