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Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
December 06 2018 12:41 GMT
#121
On December 06 2018 21:38 ggsimida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2018 21:33 Turbovolver wrote:
On December 06 2018 21:32 [AS]Rattus wrote:
well first couple of mines were great, no idea why he tried to lay more.

Yes, exactly this, as much as this other guy tries to talk down to me.


if you treat educated discourse as "talking down to" then thats just a pity

I mean you're just wrong, your whole logic is that it "delays" the defense, but 1 vulture with the response delayed still gets less kills than 3 vultures.
The original Bogus fan.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
December 06 2018 12:42 GMT
#122
gotta feel happy for sharp, his dedication paid off.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
December 06 2018 12:42 GMT
#123
Poll: Recommend Rain vs Sharp Game 7?

Yes (28)
 
100%

No (0)
 
0%

If you have time (0)
 
0%

28 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Rain vs Sharp Game 7?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
December 06 2018 12:42 GMT
#124
On December 06 2018 21:42 IshinShishi wrote:
gotta feel happy for sharp, his dedication paid off.

So happy
The original Bogus fan.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-06 12:45:16
December 06 2018 12:44 GMT
#125
It helps not to go mad and write "this other guy tries to talk down to me" over something so trivial. Players don't have perfect info, and Sharp did what he thought was the best thing to do at the time. Pros always do actions that seem like the wrong decisiona t the time, but it usually makes sense considering what they are thinking. If it worked, we all would be calling him a genius.
chaosTheory_14cc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1270 Posts
December 06 2018 12:44 GMT
#126
With how strong Sharp's TvT is, I think if Last wins over Soulkey he has a really good chance of winning this tournament. I don't really watch/study Last's TvT, is he stronger than Sharp?
reminisce12
Profile Joined March 2012
Australia318 Posts
December 06 2018 12:46 GMT
#127
rain needs to hide hes templars in shuttles or soemthing... they were getting sniped left and right by vultures
REDBLUEGREEN
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Germany1904 Posts
December 06 2018 12:47 GMT
#128
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Yoga-Terran!!!
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
December 06 2018 12:47 GMT
#129
On December 06 2018 21:44 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It helps not to go mad and write "this other guy tries to talk down to me" over something so trivial. Players don't have perfect info, and Sharp did what he thought was the best thing to do at the time. If it worked, we all would be calling him a genius.

I love Sharp's play, I just thought that one thing was a bad decision. It's likely he saw the reaver (I think it was already out at the start of the attack, or certainly right after), so he knows there's no observers, and thought the mines would do more. I'm not calling him bad for it by any stretch.
The original Bogus fan.
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
December 06 2018 12:48 GMT
#130
On December 06 2018 21:41 Turbovolver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2018 21:38 ggsimida wrote:
On December 06 2018 21:33 Turbovolver wrote:
On December 06 2018 21:32 [AS]Rattus wrote:
well first couple of mines were great, no idea why he tried to lay more.

Yes, exactly this, as much as this other guy tries to talk down to me.


if you treat educated discourse as "talking down to" then thats just a pity

I mean you're just wrong, your whole logic is that it "delays" the defense, but 1 vulture with the response delayed still gets less kills than 3 vultures.


directly rushing 3 vults to opponents probes work in lower levels because opponent isn't paying attention at all so its better to rush there simple. here you need to delay goons with mines or the goons will reach the vults faster anyway. not to mention poor handling of mines can force errors and may even end in disastrous result for protoss. im sure sharp is aaware of this and therefore made the decision to lay mines. if you think hes totally wrong you should tell sharp and every other terran pro, not me. not like he cares now,
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
December 06 2018 12:54 GMT
#131
He killed 1 probe. Are you arguing that he would've killed less than 1 probe with rushing the 3 vultures directly to the mineral line?

Anyways, that's my last post on the topic, you're not pleasant to talk to.
The original Bogus fan.
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-12-06 13:02:28
December 06 2018 13:00 GMT
#132
On December 06 2018 21:54 Turbovolver wrote:
He killed 1 probe. Are you arguing that he would've killed less than 1 probe with rushing the 3 vultures directly to the mineral line?

Anyways, that's my last post on the topic, you're not pleasant to talk to.


if he did not put mines, yes he can kill a couple more before the goons come and he has to run away. oh yeah a few more probes very nice.

with mines, the goons can be delayed with a variance depending on players control and luck. best result is that rain completely mishandles the mines, all the goons die and the vults get to snipe probes happily for...10s? its like a gamble, a nice risk move to leverage the situation

i never insult or look down at you, you just simply refuse to entertain anyone thoughts other than yours. if thats your prerogative then i have nothing more to add. have a good day regardless.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13293 Posts
December 06 2018 13:01 GMT
#133
Glad for Sharp.

That HT shuttle snipe in game 7 was really crucial just before his big push. He was able to take the middle from there and Rain couldn’t do much.

Hope SK wins. Not a huge TvT fan.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
December 06 2018 13:03 GMT
#134
lol yeah if last wins enjoy your bo7 tvt guiseeeeeee
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
December 06 2018 13:04 GMT
#135
On December 06 2018 22:01 RowdierBob wrote:
Glad for Sharp.

That HT shuttle snipe in game 7 was really crucial just before his big push. He was able to take the middle from there and Rain couldn’t do much.

Hope SK wins. Not a huge TvT fan.

I would be happy with a TvT finals just because I like both Sharp and Last :D
The original Bogus fan.
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1711 Posts
December 06 2018 13:10 GMT
#136
now i’m a fan of sharp... rooting for him to win the finals!
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
December 06 2018 13:41 GMT
#137
TvT is the best of all mirrors, both in bw and sc2, but ZvZ can be quite entertaining sometimes.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
December 06 2018 14:00 GMT
#138
On December 06 2018 22:41 IshinShishi wrote:
TvT is the best of all mirrors, both in bw and sc2, but ZvZ can be quite entertaining sometimes.


TvT is better in BW, not so much in Sc2 these days.

I'm sorry for Rain, he just can't reach KSL finals, whereas I am not a Sharp fan.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
December 06 2018 14:02 GMT
#139
On December 06 2018 22:00 ggsimida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2018 21:54 Turbovolver wrote:
He killed 1 probe. Are you arguing that he would've killed less than 1 probe with rushing the 3 vultures directly to the mineral line?

Anyways, that's my last post on the topic, you're not pleasant to talk to.


if he did not put mines, yes he can kill a couple more before the goons come and he has to run away. oh yeah a few more probes very nice.

with mines, the goons can be delayed with a variance depending on players control and luck. best result is that rain completely mishandles the mines, all the goons die and the vults get to snipe probes happily for...10s? its like a gamble, a nice risk move to leverage the situation

i never insult or look down at you, you just simply refuse to entertain anyone thoughts other than yours. if thats your prerogative then i have nothing more to add. have a good day regardless.

You're fighting against results oriented thinking.

Sharp did not know there were goons close to the ramp and ready to defend, he went for the optimal play you described, end of the story.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
December 06 2018 16:58 GMT
#140
Wow I definitely did not expect the result. Whoever wins in Soulkey vs Last, we can’t have a bad finals regardless. I’m rooting for Soulkey in his match against Last because I figure him to be the underdog.
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