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flyingrat
43 Posts
On September 06 2018 22:29 Sokokrey wrote: what a threw by movie again, i'm pretty sure that he is the new match fixer don't think we need match fixing for Movie to lose to Best and Mind | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4199 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4199 Posts
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Alpha-NP-
United States1242 Posts
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Miragee
8714 Posts
On September 06 2018 21:48 Oya187 wrote: Talking about the games and constantly bitchin' about what terrible players in this example Sacsri and Movie are is two completely different things. And I love that the people that actually know the least always has the most to say. We already have two experts Tastosis/RAPiD commenting and talking about the games pointing out everything which is enough. No need to have a bunch of wannabe experts rant on what mistakes were made and how terrible they were when the fact is that you probably can't even make a proper split to begin with. Just enjoy the games. Dont hate, appreciate. Calling Rapid an expert is rich. I like the guy but I'm sure everyone, including himself, knows that he is not an expert. Artosis is getting back into form but he is not quite back at his old level imho. I would agree when you said that sometimes the hate goes overboard but stating that some play was terrible is perfectly fine. We are not in rainbow unicorn land so negative opinions are just as valid as positive ones. | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
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TornadoSteve
1143 Posts
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TornadoSteve
1143 Posts
On September 07 2018 00:12 Miragee wrote: Calling Rapid an expert is rich. I like the guy but I'm sure everyone, including himself, knows that he is not an expert. Artosis is getting back into form but he is not quite back at his old level imho. I would agree when you said that sometimes the hate goes overboard but stating that some play was terrible is perfectly fine. We are not in rainbow unicorn land so negative opinions are just as valid as positive ones. Artosis is perfect, at least for me. He does understand all the match ups to a very high level, gives good information and rarely miss stuff. Also, hes very respectful. | ||
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Oya187
50 Posts
On September 06 2018 23:35 Alpha-NP- wrote: Oya every thread in the tournaments section devolves into armchair critics calling the S rank players C- newbs. Sad but true. Peoples expectations of progamers are to high, they view them as some sort of gods and expect them to be robots that perform completely flawless everyday without ever being allowed to be tired, have a bad day and make mistakes. It's like they forget that it is 2 professionals under pressure battling it out vs eachother and the goal is trying to make your opponent do as many mistakes as possible while minimizing your own. Seems like the majority of people that comment here has never even tried to play BW, atleast not on a decent level. And if you actually did play this game on a decent level you would understand that the higher of level you get to the harder playing BW gets. Playing on a professional level is as hard as it gets. All the distractions and being at 10 different spots at the same time normally leads to making unnecessary mistakes but that's something people can't realize or comprehend, and that is just a minor factor among maaany others that take part in a high level game but many choose to ignore all of these and don't want to see the bigger picture. In example, instead of looking at it like "Omg Movie lost his arbiter to a turret like a noob" I instead see it as Mind successfully kept him busy to lose that arbiter in such fashion. Claiming that Movie did a shit attack and that he should have known that it was a shit attack is easy to say while sitting at the sideline as a spectator but it's not as easy to figure out as the player while juggling many things at the same time, even for a progamer. Just saying, none is perfect, not even progamers and expecting them to be perfect and never make mistakes or miscalculations is just stupid. That's just my two cents. | ||
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Desmond1
20 Posts
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TornadoSteve
1143 Posts
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Sokokrey
74 Posts
On September 06 2018 23:11 flyingrat wrote: don't think we need match fixing for Movie to lose to Best and Mind In KSL Group A, he made similar mistakes against Last, I counted some moments when Movie has more than 30 of supply and yet he loses. It's strange to me considering they are professionals | ||
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Sr18
Netherlands1141 Posts
On September 07 2018 00:22 Oya187 wrote: Sad but true. Peoples expectations of progamers are to high, they view them as some sort of gods and expect them to be robots that perform completely flawless everyday without ever being allowed to be tired, have a bad day and make mistakes. It's like they forget that it is 2 professionals under pressure battling it out vs eachother and the goal is trying to make your opponent do as many mistakes as possible while minimizing your own. Seems like the majority of people that comment here has never even tried to play BW, atleast not on a decent level. And if you actually did play this game on a decent level you would understand that the higher of level you get to the harder playing BW gets. Playing on a professional level is as hard as it gets. All the distractions and being at 10 different spots at the same time normally leads to making unnecessary mistakes but that's something people can't realize or comprehend, and that is just a minor factor among maaany others that take part in a high level game but many choose to ignore all of these and don't want to see the bigger picture. In example, instead of looking at it like "Omg Movie lost his arbiter to a turret like a noob" I instead see it as Mind successfully kept him busy to lose that arbiter in such fashion. Claiming that Movie did a shit attack and that he should have known that it was a shit attack is easy to say while sitting at the sideline as a spectator but it's not as easy to figure out as the player while juggling many things at the same time, even for a progamer. Just saying, none is perfect, not even progamers and expecting them to be perfect and never make mistakes or miscalculations is just stupid. That's just my two cents. While it's fine to be respectful, there is no value in ignoring the obvious. Sometimes progamers play well below their normal level and today this was the case almost across the board. It's not about comparing the players to gods and having unrealistic expectations, but rather being unable to notice the glaring difference between the level of play today and the level of play of most other recent games. | ||
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TornadoSteve
1143 Posts
On September 07 2018 00:22 Oya187 wrote: In example, instead of looking at it like "Omg Movie lost his arbiter to a turret like a noob" I instead see it as Mind successfully kept him busy to lose that arbiter in such fashion. In example, instead of looking at it like "Omg he has 40 seconds to start a forge after his goons attack spotted the dt" do you instead see it as Movie is such a fearless monster in such fasion ? | ||
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Motivate
2860 Posts
On September 06 2018 23:19 Dante08 wrote: Artosis was in shock when the obs clicked on Movie's base and there was no forge lol lol i just watched it. it was almost like he was offended that movie didn't have detection after being attacked by a DT across the other side of the map. | ||
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
On September 07 2018 03:32 sharkeyanti wrote: There's a degree of respect you should have for the players on stage and understanding that it's very easy to criticize from behind the screen. That said, Movie has been playing pro Starcraft for many years and not getting detection vs. DTs is hard to make sense of. And the attack on Mind's 12 o'clock went on for a very long time. It was not a small engagement, Movie had plenty of time to notice all the vultures and to recognize that he was just streaming units through a choke. People just don't like when you criticize the people that they put on pedestals. Movie played like absolute garbage in his game against Best. There is no excuse for what he did outside of A) he has the worst game of his life. or B) He just isn't that good. Esports fans, especially starcraft fans, go insane when you talk about players in any sort of negative light. It's just the way it is. | ||
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whaski
Finland577 Posts
On September 07 2018 03:32 sharkeyanti wrote: There's a degree of respect you should have for the players on stage and understanding that it's very easy to criticize from behind the screen. That said, Movie has been playing pro Starcraft for many years and not getting detection vs. DTs is hard to make sense of. And the attack on Mind's 12 o'clock went on for a very long time. It was not a small engagement, Movie had plenty of time to notice all the vultures and to recognize that he was just streaming units through a choke. And there are mistakes but such huge blunders that Movie did make do not happen often. Like when he streams it IS clear that he is not at the level of Best, Rain or Snow. But todays insanity was something else. And I thought Sea versus Killer was bad game rofl. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28911 Posts
That said I didn't really mind movie's final game. The attack towards 12 was dumb. But losing an arbiter to a turret can happen to anyone. I've played this game semi-competitively for like, most of the past 20 years, and I can tell you one thing; the game you play from your own perspective always looks a whole lot better than from an observer's perspective. Even when I've had the feeling 'man, I played really well that game', if I watch the cast, or a replay of the game, I end up thinking 'damn, I kinda sucked that game' because suddenly all the mistakes I made are put on display. The observers don't catch everything also, very frequently there's some skirmish detracting the attention of a player which makes the player lose focus of what is happening on the actual screen. This is the beauty of bw; with the exception of Flash, all players make significant mistakes in every single game. The not building a forge against the dt, that's on another level, akin to the not upgrading 3-2 melee/carapace in group A for 10 minutes. But at least here, I can see how maybe he actually tried to start building the forge, but maybe a probe got in the way, or he started a goon which made his resources go down to 146 right before the forge was about to start, or whatever, and then he didn't go back to his base for 40 seconds because he was busy microing his attack, and then he's like oh my god I didn't start the forge. Or whatever. The game is amazingly chaotic and unintended stuff happens all the time. Now, if upon noticing that dts were attacking his units he actually thought 'I'm gonna counter-dt rush 3 minutes later than him and make cannons in some weird place', then he's a total idiot worthy of all the derision in the world, but I find that very unlikely. | ||
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