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Kaley
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NoS-Craig
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Motivate
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On September 04 2018 19:06 NoS-Craig wrote: Thank god you made a OP. I was about to make one but the picture was very shit indeed. I might consider changing the image. @Kaley, do not edit the OP | ||
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asel
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Zera
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Motivate
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On September 04 2018 19:12 NoS-Craig wrote: Thank you BLinD-RawR. I got no idea how to make an OP like that. Mine would've been edited over to. I think next time I won't bother making a thread unless it like a qualifier or something. well some staff members have some special powers, while you can't make it look as good, I used to make LR threads for years before I even became staff, mostly made banners using mspaint, you gotta start somewhere  | ||
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Psychonian
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Terra1
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Kaley
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On September 04 2018 19:11 BLinD-RawR wrote: @Kaley, do not edit the OP MuuhahhHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHARARRRRHRH.. ok. + Show Spoiler [For the record] + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/0TXyB48.jpg) Korean Afreeca Stream ENG Afreeca Stream (Tastosis) Youtube EN Stream The time for an unofficial, provisional thread is NOW! | ||
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sc19980331
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http://play.afreecatv.com/akasjdjm http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sospa/players/3384_KangTaeWan | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On September 04 2018 19:28 sc19980331 wrote: TL admin, plz add Byul to side bar, thanks. http://play.afreecatv.com/akasjdjm http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sospa/players/3384_KangTaeWan he is already added he was streaming in the morning | ||
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Motivate
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Dante08
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Psychonian
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NoS-Craig
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Terra1
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Has he played in other tournaments before or he's completely new? | ||
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Motivate
2860 Posts
On September 04 2018 19:33 Psychonian wrote: ByuL played well after the goon rush but he was too far behind lol where was his bunker? | ||
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SJ158
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Miragee
8509 Posts
On September 04 2018 19:14 Motivate wrote: lol... i've always hated protoss but i hope shuttle sends this no name terran back to the stone age =) Really? We need new blood. The better the terran performs, the better. At least he plays kinda smart imho. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On September 04 2018 19:33 Terra1 wrote: Byul got stomped so hard by Shuttle Has he played in other tournaments before or he's completely new? hes pretty new. he had only amateur tournament win | ||
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Motivate
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
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Terra1
Philippines312 Posts
On September 04 2018 19:35 BLinD-RawR wrote: hes pretty new. he had only amateur tournament win He's still new so it's not surprising he loses to a strong player. If he can keep playing, he might get better. We need more new players too. | ||
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Terra1
Philippines312 Posts
On September 04 2018 19:35 Motivate wrote: can anyone else sense how pissed off artosis was after that game? What did he do? Watching the Korean stream. | ||
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Miragee
8509 Posts
After the goon attack.... Why would you need a bunker after that, hm? Right, you don't. He defended well against the drops because he placed his units well. He stood no chance either way after the first attack but if that hadn't happened, the game would have looked different. | ||
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Psychonian
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Motivate
2860 Posts
On September 04 2018 19:37 Miragee wrote: After the goon attack.... Why would you need a bunker after that, hm? Right, you don't. He defended well against the drops because he placed his units well. He stood no chance either way after the first attack but if that hadn't happened, the game would have looked different. after the zealot rush he took his natural without a bunker leading to him losing a lot from the goon attack | ||
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
On September 04 2018 19:39 Motivate wrote: after the zealot rush he took his natural without a bunker leading to him losing a lot from the goon attack Yes, but I said he played well *after* the goon attack | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Motivate
2860 Posts
On September 04 2018 19:39 Psychonian wrote: Yes, but I said he played well *after* the goon attack i guess... bit of a technicality but sure he played alright after the goon attack. too bad the game was already lost. | ||
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NoS-Craig
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Miragee
8509 Posts
On September 04 2018 19:39 Motivate wrote: after the zealot rush he took his natural without a bunker leading to him losing a lot from the goon attack --> On September 04 2018 19:39 Psychonian wrote: Yes, but I said he played well *after* the goon attack ... /saw your next post. Let's forget about it and just enjoy the games. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
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Miragee
8509 Posts
On September 04 2018 19:41 Dangermousecatdog wrote: English stream is fine, just the korean stream. It's funny. It's forever 1999 there. Does that mean Starcraft is still being patched in Korea? | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
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Miragee
8509 Posts
On September 04 2018 19:44 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Was there even bw tourneys back then? Wasn't the first big one in 1999? //First starleague organised by OGN in 1999. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
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NoS-Craig
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207aicila
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Motivate
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
On September 04 2018 19:50 Dangermousecatdog wrote: ZvZ is always so intense. ZvZ has always been one of my favorite matchups in both games, you're trying to do so much with so little most of the time | ||
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DminusTerran
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 04 2018 19:53 DminusTerran wrote: Hope we see a more permanent teamleague soon. A format that lets some of these amateur talents develop better, would be nice. oh I'm sure something will come up. | ||
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Jackal03
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Jackal03
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A return of the teamleagues would be so epic, I hope this happens | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
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Motivate
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leublix
493 Posts
On September 04 2018 19:50 Motivate wrote: nice game.. shine beats the imposter. shuttle kind of deserves to lose to early aggression after that first game. And it happened. Well, it's shine, not surprising. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4128 Posts
On September 04 2018 19:44 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Was there even bw tourneys back then? There were tons of BW tourneys before 2012, namely OSL, MSL & Proleague which were 10 times bigger than the SC2/BW tourneys right now. | ||
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DminusTerran
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Motivate
2860 Posts
"the moment i saw him make the sunken colony i knew i had won the game" | ||
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207aicila
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On September 04 2018 20:08 Dante08 wrote: There were tons of BW tourneys before 2012, namely OSL, MSL & Proleague which were 10 times bigger than the SC2/BW tourneys right now. He asked if there were BW tourneys in 1999. Also it was answered at the top of the page. | ||
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NoS-Craig
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
On September 04 2018 19:45 Miragee wrote: Wasn't the first big one in 1999? //First starleague organised by OGN in 1999. not OGN but yeah, the first tournament ever to be televised took place in 1999 the only other major tourney in Korea before that that I can think of was the Sports Seoul Cup iirc | ||
prosatan
Romania8046 Posts
who won ?  | ||
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Jackal03
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prosatan
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On September 04 2018 20:21 Jackal03 wrote: Shine won by hydra bust | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
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NoS-Craig
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BLinD-RawR
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Poll: Recommend Winner's Game? If you have time (7) No (4) Yes (1) 12 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winner's Game? | ||
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Dante08
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leublix
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Jackal03
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Motivate
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Miragee
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On September 04 2018 20:26 Jackal03 wrote: It was another flop for the new terran player, he seems decent but made terrible decisions on both games Well, I wouldn't recommend going two port wraith against a stronger player, especially when that player is going for an aggressive build himself. On September 04 2018 20:18 Ziggy wrote: not OGN but yeah, the first tournament ever to be televised took place in 1999 the only other major tourney in Korea before that that I can think of was the Sports Seoul Cup iirc  Tooniverse Progamer Korea OpenLiquipedia says it was organised by OGN. If that's wrong it should be changed. | ||
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Ziggy
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On September 04 2018 20:29 Miragee wrote: Well, I wouldn't recommend going two port wraith against a stronger player, especially when that player is going for an aggressive build himself. Tooniverse Progamer Korea OpenLiquipedia says it was organised by OGN. If that's wrong it should be changed. Tooniverse was a channel belonging to OnMedia (part of Orion Group), who went on to launch OGN in april 2000 iirc, so technically the organisers were the same | ||
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Kaley
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Terra1
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Zera
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Miragee
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On September 04 2018 20:30 Ziggy wrote: Tooniverse was a channel belonging to OnMedia (part of Orion Group), who went on to launch OGN in april 2000 iirc, so technically the organisers were the same Ok, thank you for the insight! | ||
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Jackal03
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175x 140 supply | ||
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Miragee
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Terra1
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Jackal03
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edit: lol, now all of them are dead | ||
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nojok
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Jackal03
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Jackal03
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amazing game! Best of the day | ||
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NoS-Craig
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Jackal03
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On September 04 2018 21:03 NoS-Craig wrote: Ok this is fantasy gg timing now. I guess he could not believe/let go | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Poll: Recommend Final Game? Yes (45) No (1) If you have time (0) 46 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final Game? | ||
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Motivate
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Skeny
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Miragee
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On September 04 2018 21:00 nojok wrote: Once he went above 100 supplies, where crumbled, he has poor mechanics. His mechanics were ok. Not the best but not detrimental. He had so many bases, floating a bit of resources during large pushes is fine. His engagements didn't go so well though, while Shuttle handled all the battles to almost perfection. Great game! | ||
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TaardadAiel
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Delial1986
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reminisce12
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PVJ
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On September 04 2018 21:03 DminusTerran wrote: 48 kill hero Archon lives to retirement OwO!! Fantastic bzz-bzz | ||
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TaardadAiel
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RowdierBob
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LG)Sabbath
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On September 04 2018 20:26 Motivate wrote: bit of a jerk move morphing the guardians over the rax. oh well, really good play by where. or perhaps this terran is a lemon. what's interesting is having the nerve of doing that while getting manhandled by the other players | ||
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LG)Sabbath
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On September 04 2018 21:04 Miragee wrote: His mechanics were ok. Not the best but not detrimental. He had so many bases, floating a bit of resources during large pushes is fine. His engagements didn't go so well though, while Shuttle handled all the battles to almost perfection. Great game! He was incredibly stubborn. Pure ling against archon/zealot/templar? Just why, you have 6 bases, make ultras, hydras, mix it up. Also plagueing archons, repeatedly, lol. | ||
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Desmond1
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Timebon3s
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I also thought the new player played pretty well actually. Showed some good controll. Hope to see more of him and other amateurs. We need more new players. Fun night, but after KSL BO1's arent enough anymore :D | ||
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sharkeyanti
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Timebon3s
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3809 Posts
Wow man, where had game 5 100% in the bag and just stopped macroing for the longest time, It looked like he was transitioning to ultras from his resource bank but then he just streamed lings. | ||
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JackyVSO
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Is it even humanly possible to reach pro level if you've never been a pro? | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4128 Posts
On September 05 2018 18:55 JackyVSO wrote: It's not that I expected Byul to advance to the Ro. 16, but I was frankly shocked to see how helpless the pros made him look. In five seasons of ASL, I have never seen anyone get knocked out so easily. Is it even humanly possible to reach pro level if you've never been a pro? Nah, I think the pros know amateurs would have lack of stage experience + nerves and both Shuttle & Miso used hyper aggressive builds to take advantage of that. I'm sure Byul practiced for more standard games so the proxy rax and 2 hatch caught him way off guard. I'm sure if they played standard Byul would have shown us better games. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway697 Posts
On September 05 2018 18:55 JackyVSO wrote: It's not that I expected Byul to advance to the Ro. 16, but I was frankly shocked to see how helpless the pros made him look. In five seasons of ASL, I have never seen anyone get knocked out so easily. Is it even humanly possible to reach pro level if you've never been a pro? If Byul was Mini in that game on sparkle where he suicided his reaver, then I would have my doubts too. Because that was just fucking stupid, and Mini is a pro. But this wasn't so bad. I also think it's hard for us to imagine what the nerves of playing on stage at a broadcasted event does to your play. This guy has what it takes, and I hope we see more of him. | ||
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1169 Posts
On September 05 2018 05:55 sharkeyanti wrote: Where had like 1k minerals and 2k gas during and for a while after that first giant engagement. Prob could have easily taken that game with better macro focus. Yeah I noticed that too. The observer even circled it with the mouse during the game. | ||
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Motivate
2860 Posts
On September 05 2018 19:09 Dante08 wrote: Nah, I think the pros know amateurs would have lack of stage experience + nerves and both Shuttle & Miso used hyper aggressive builds to take advantage of that. I'm sure Byul practiced for more standard games so the proxy rax and 2 hatch caught him way off guard. I'm sure if they played standard Byul would have shown us better games. it was almost like he wasn't expecting early aggression (which was a bit silly as it's the most obvious way to quickly beat an amateur). also he was doing dumb things like positioning marines under a cliff where they received heavy muta harass and also not building a bunker AFTER he saw the 2 gate goons coming. not impressed at all tbh. although i felt Where was being downright obnoxious morphing the guardians over the rax as a diss to an amateur. Real classy. I'm glad when shuttle beat him it exposed that he can't do much besides early aggression | ||
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
On September 05 2018 19:35 IntoTheEmo wrote: Yeah I noticed that too. The observer even circled it with the mouse during the game. It seemed rather important, and as I was listening to the English stream I found it frustrating that Tastosis made zero acknowledgment of this. Of course, as beloved as they are, Tastosis have a great many flaws these days. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19239 Posts
edit: To preced any off topic Bisu comments cause of my name, I absolutely loved his builds in the series where he beat Bisu and it was genius in the same way Bisu lost to Yellow on HBR. But variations of all ins and trick builds gets you far enough to be stomped by players like Flash who don't die to it. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19239 Posts
On September 05 2018 22:23 sharkeyanti wrote: It seemed rather important, and as I was listening to the English stream I found it frustrating that Tastosis made zero acknowledgment of this. Of course, as beloved as they are, Tastosis have a great many flaws these days. Sometimes I'm critical of them, but these days they are busy AF casting between both SC1 and SC2. It has to be really hard to stay focused on all the elements with the constant switching. The best thing posters can do is just leave helpful feedback so they can leverage that information in the future. Artosis was streaming BW this morning and is putting in the time when he can so it can only get better. edit: On top of builds and gameflow, there are a ton of storylines going on. For instance the Neeb vs TY matchup and so they also have to stay on top of those too lol. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On September 05 2018 22:45 BisuDagger wrote: Is anyone bothered yet by the fact that Shine can't play a standard game? I like Shine, although I didn't at all during the KeSPA days. He doesn't have as much oomph as Jaedong in a macro game, but he plays to win and looks so happy when he does. His games are often very entertaining. | ||
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Miragee
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On September 05 2018 22:45 BisuDagger wrote: Is anyone bothered yet by the fact that Shine can't play a standard game? edit: To preced any off topic Bisu comments cause of my name, I absolutely loved his builds in the series where he beat Bisu and it was genius in the same way Bisu lost to Yellow on HBR. But variations of all ins and trick builds gets you far enough to be stomped by players like Flash who don't die to it. That's because Terran is the best race at holding cheeses/all-ins overall. And yeah, it bothers me as well but it's nothing new. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5220 Posts
On September 05 2018 18:55 JackyVSO wrote: It's not that I expected Byul to advance to the Ro. 16, but I was frankly shocked to see how helpless the pros made him look. In five seasons of ASL, I have never seen anyone get knocked out so easily. Is it even humanly possible to reach pro level if you've never been a pro? PURPOSE a couple of seasons ago seemed a lot more featherweight than ByuL yesterday. I'm wondering how yerim2 will fare given that he was dispatched easily by ByuL in their ACS finals. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
game 5 was kinda odd and where did not play to the defensive strengths of zerg. zerg kind of played as if he were on a clock, and he really was not. | ||
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Alpha-NP-
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Desmond1
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sM.Zik
Canada2547 Posts
On September 06 2018 05:22 Desmond1 wrote: Honestly shine could be a top 2 or 3 Zerg worldwide. The way Soulkey got dissected by last doesn’t really make you go wow. And everyone talks about larva but I haven’t seen many good results. So I’d say shine has a nice game and behind Jaedong the scene has been wide open for someone to win some tournaments. Now is your chance shine ol buddy. Shine would've lost 0-4 vs Last. He has decent ZvP and ok ZvZ but that's it. | ||
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Desmond1
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Miragee
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On September 06 2018 06:23 Desmond1 wrote: Yeah, I mean hard to argue with you, it’s weird to say player a could have won or lost vs player b in x series when the universe just doesn’t work that way. Last did win and props to him. Idk if shine even qualified for Ksl. But what I’m arguing is what has Soulkey ever won? Shine and he may be closer in level than the public knows. Also what has larva ever won? The writer of the power rank put him at 5 and shine didn’t make the list. Soulkey is one of those players that definitely benefited from the team house/coach environment. Imho he is a rare talent with great micro, macro and decisiveness. The problem is that sometimes he switches into kwanro mode and derps heavily. Like, he will be decisive but chooses the option that is 100% wrong. Sometimes he still wins because he is so good... | ||
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Desmond1
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19239 Posts
On September 06 2018 05:22 Desmond1 wrote: Honestly shine could be a top 2 or 3 Zerg worldwide. The way Soulkey got dissected by last doesn’t really make you go wow. And everyone talks about larva but I haven’t seen many good results. So I’d say shine has a nice game and behind Jaedong the scene has been wide open for someone to win some tournaments. Now is your chance shine ol buddy. Larva just won the Danjjing Starleague in spectacular fashion. Shine's macro is poor and can't win him a late game anything. He has to win with his head or with a hydra rush.  | ||
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Motivate
2860 Posts
On September 06 2018 06:44 Miragee wrote: Soulkey is one of those players that definitely benefited from the team house/coach environment. Imho he is a rare talent with great micro, macro and decisiveness. The problem is that sometimes he switches into kwanro mode and derps heavily. Like, he will be decisive but chooses the option that is 100% wrong. Sometimes he still wins because he is so good... yea i'd say this is pretty accurate. he's such a good zerg - specifically his defense/macro. no idea why he was so aggressive this series and kept going for hydra/muta all ins. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On September 06 2018 08:43 BisuDagger wrote: Larva just won the Danjjing Starleague in spectacular fashion. Shine's macro is poor and can't win him a late game anything. He has to win with his head or with a hydra rush. As long as all players are abiding by the agreed upon rules, it is unwise to start placing value on how players achieve competitive success in my opinion. It is enough to describe the method, and state our personal preferences on the matter, but I think it goes a little too far once we try to push our personal truths to other people. Shine's first nickname wasn't "One Minute Bonjwa" without a good reason. It is his trademark play-style that has been evident ever since his first ever KeSPA officiated match versus Iris, and to pretend that his obvious flaws makes him a lesser player than players with huge flaws of their own just because his orthodox late game play is lacking, we run the risk of assessing objective competitive results as subjective matters, as if we were spectating stuff like figure skating. If a player happens to be obscenely talented, but cannot motivate himself to prepare for a match, and gets obliterated by disgusting build orders counters, the onus is on the loser to prove his competitive worth for the next match, instead of expecting spectators to make excuses for him by ignoring his lackluster results, because he would have theoretically defeated his opponent in an alternate reality where circumstances were catered just right for the player in question. Truly great players create their circumstances, not depend on them to fall in place. People have their preferred play-styles. People have their preferred narratives. People have their predilections towards certain match-ups. It is not up to the players to cater towards the subjective preferences of the spectators. If people hate the zerg-versus-zerg match, it is fine to bemoan its frequency, but in my opinion, it is not okay to slander a player for progressing through his mirror match-up strength at the cost of a player with say, a superior zerg-versus-terran ability. Players don't need to comply to the wanted narratives, play-styles, or viewing experience of the spectators. This is what differentiates competitive platforms from WWE. Shine isn't playing some antagonist role for a Brood War version WWE, and I think this site sometimes goes too hard on him for doing what he is supposed to do at a competitive level. | ||
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Desmond1
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On September 06 2018 08:43 BisuDagger wrote: Larva just won the Danjjing Starleague in spectacular fashion. Shine's macro is poor and can't win him a late game anything. He has to win with his head or with a hydra rush. Oh, I wasn’t aware of this tournaments existence. Thanks for showing me. Didn’t see any coverage of it somehow. That explains why people have been hyping best lately too who was admittedly one of the dragon tosses but I thought began to suck lately and is now very overrated. I see he managed to get silver here. Thanks. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19239 Posts
On September 06 2018 10:51 Letmelose wrote: As long as all players are abiding by the agreed upon rules, it is unwise to start placing value on how players achieve competitive success in my opinion. It is enough to describe the method, and state our personal preferences on the matter, but I think it goes a little too far once we try to push our personal truths to other people. Shine's first nickname wasn't "One Minute Bonjwa" without a good reason. It is his trademark play-style that has been evident ever since his first ever KeSPA officiated match versus Iris, and to pretend that his obvious flaws makes him a lesser player than players with huge flaws of their own just because his orthodox late game play is lacking, we run the risk of assessing objective competitive results as subjective matters, as if we were spectating stuff like figure skating. If a player happens to be obscenely talented, but cannot motivate himself to prepare for a match, and gets obliterated by disgusting build orders counters, the onus is on the loser to prove his competitive worth for the next match, instead of expecting spectators to make excuses for him by ignoring his lackluster results, because he would have theoretically defeated his opponent in an alternate reality where circumstances were catered just right for the player in question. Truly great players create their circumstances, not depend on them to fall in place. People have their preferred play-styles. People have their preferred narratives. People have their predilections towards certain match-ups. It is not up to the players to cater towards the subjective preferences of the spectators. If people hate the zerg-versus-zerg match, it is fine to bemoan its frequency, but in my opinion, it is not okay to slander a player for progressing through his mirror match-up strength at the cost of a player with say, a superior zerg-versus-terran ability. Players don't need to comply to the wanted narratives, play-styles, or viewing experience of the spectators. This is what differentiates competitive platforms from WWE. Shine isn't playing some antagonist role for a Brood War version WWE, and I think this site sometimes goes too hard on him for doing what he is supposed to do at a competitive level. You're right and I completely agree.And I've tried to be very positive about Shine despite his wins versus Bisu. And it is a completely personal preference that I dislike seeing him advance by hydra rushing the protoss players i cheer for lol. | ||
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