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Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway764 Posts
September 04 2018 20:30 GMT
#121
That last game was fucking amazing. That was really fun to watch

I also thought the new player played pretty well actually. Showed some good controll. Hope to see more of him and other amateurs. We need more new players.

Fun night, but after KSL BO1's arent enough anymore :D
sharkeyanti
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1273 Posts
September 04 2018 20:55 GMT
#122
Where had like 1k minerals and 2k gas during and for a while after that first giant engagement. Prob could have easily taken that game with better macro focus.
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Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway764 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-04 21:54:27
September 04 2018 21:54 GMT
#123
Yeah he probably could, but thats like saying he would have won if he was better... thats why brood war is such a great competetive game, the best player often wins
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
September 05 2018 05:39 GMT
#124
Just watched the games,

Wow man, where had game 5 100% in the bag and just stopped macroing for the longest time, It looked like he was transitioning to ultras from his resource bank but then he just streamed lings.
: o )
JackyVSO
Profile Joined July 2018
Denmark85 Posts
September 05 2018 09:55 GMT
#125
It's not that I expected Byul to advance to the Ro. 16, but I was frankly shocked to see how helpless the pros made him look. In five seasons of ASL, I have never seen anyone get knocked out so easily.
Is it even humanly possible to reach pro level if you've never been a pro?
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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4139 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-05 10:09:51
September 05 2018 10:09 GMT
#126
On September 05 2018 18:55 JackyVSO wrote:
It's not that I expected Byul to advance to the Ro. 16, but I was frankly shocked to see how helpless the pros made him look. In five seasons of ASL, I have never seen anyone get knocked out so easily.
Is it even humanly possible to reach pro level if you've never been a pro?


Nah, I think the pros know amateurs would have lack of stage experience + nerves and both Shuttle & Miso used hyper aggressive builds to take advantage of that. I'm sure Byul practiced for more standard games so the proxy rax and 2 hatch caught him way off guard. I'm sure if they played standard Byul would have shown us better games.
Timebon3s
Profile Joined May 2018
Norway764 Posts
September 05 2018 10:28 GMT
#127
On September 05 2018 18:55 JackyVSO wrote:
It's not that I expected Byul to advance to the Ro. 16, but I was frankly shocked to see how helpless the pros made him look. In five seasons of ASL, I have never seen anyone get knocked out so easily.
Is it even humanly possible to reach pro level if you've never been a pro?

If Byul was Mini in that game on sparkle where he suicided his reaver, then I would have my doubts too. Because that was just fucking stupid, and Mini is a pro.

But this wasn't so bad.
I also think it's hard for us to imagine what the nerves of playing on stage at a broadcasted event does to your play.
This guy has what it takes, and I hope we see more of him.

IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1169 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-05 10:36:14
September 05 2018 10:35 GMT
#128
On September 05 2018 05:55 sharkeyanti wrote:
Where had like 1k minerals and 2k gas during and for a while after that first giant engagement. Prob could have easily taken that game with better macro focus.


Yeah I noticed that too. The observer even circled it with the mouse during the game.
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Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-05 10:58:57
September 05 2018 10:53 GMT
#129
On September 05 2018 19:09 Dante08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2018 18:55 JackyVSO wrote:
It's not that I expected Byul to advance to the Ro. 16, but I was frankly shocked to see how helpless the pros made him look. In five seasons of ASL, I have never seen anyone get knocked out so easily.
Is it even humanly possible to reach pro level if you've never been a pro?


Nah, I think the pros know amateurs would have lack of stage experience + nerves and both Shuttle & Miso used hyper aggressive builds to take advantage of that. I'm sure Byul practiced for more standard games so the proxy rax and 2 hatch caught him way off guard. I'm sure if they played standard Byul would have shown us better games.

it was almost like he wasn't expecting early aggression (which was a bit silly as it's the most obvious way to quickly beat an amateur). also he was doing dumb things like positioning marines under a cliff where they received heavy muta harass and also not building a bunker AFTER he saw the 2 gate goons coming. not impressed at all tbh.

although i felt Where was being downright obnoxious morphing the guardians over the rax as a diss to an amateur. Real classy. I'm glad when shuttle beat him it exposed that he can't do much besides early aggression
sharkeyanti
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1273 Posts
September 05 2018 13:23 GMT
#130
On September 05 2018 19:35 IntoTheEmo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2018 05:55 sharkeyanti wrote:
Where had like 1k minerals and 2k gas during and for a while after that first giant engagement. Prob could have easily taken that game with better macro focus.


Yeah I noticed that too. The observer even circled it with the mouse during the game.


It seemed rather important, and as I was listening to the English stream I found it frustrating that Tastosis made zero acknowledgment of this. Of course, as beloved as they are, Tastosis have a great many flaws these days.
Hi Mom
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19307 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-05 13:48:04
September 05 2018 13:45 GMT
#131
Is anyone bothered yet by the fact that Shine can't play a standard game?

edit: To preced any off topic Bisu comments cause of my name, I absolutely loved his builds in the series where he beat Bisu and it was genius in the same way Bisu lost to Yellow on HBR. But variations of all ins and trick builds gets you far enough to be stomped by players like Flash who don't die to it.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19307 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-05 13:52:05
September 05 2018 13:50 GMT
#132
On September 05 2018 22:23 sharkeyanti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2018 19:35 IntoTheEmo wrote:
On September 05 2018 05:55 sharkeyanti wrote:
Where had like 1k minerals and 2k gas during and for a while after that first giant engagement. Prob could have easily taken that game with better macro focus.


Yeah I noticed that too. The observer even circled it with the mouse during the game.


It seemed rather important, and as I was listening to the English stream I found it frustrating that Tastosis made zero acknowledgment of this. Of course, as beloved as they are, Tastosis have a great many flaws these days.

Sometimes I'm critical of them, but these days they are busy AF casting between both SC1 and SC2. It has to be really hard to stay focused on all the elements with the constant switching. The best thing posters can do is just leave helpful feedback so they can leverage that information in the future. Artosis was streaming BW this morning and is putting in the time when he can so it can only get better.

edit: On top of builds and gameflow, there are a ton of storylines going on. For instance the Neeb vs TY matchup and so they also have to stay on top of those too lol.
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Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
September 05 2018 14:24 GMT
#133
On September 05 2018 22:45 BisuDagger wrote:
Is anyone bothered yet by the fact that Shine can't play a standard game?

I like Shine, although I didn't at all during the KeSPA days. He doesn't have as much oomph as Jaedong in a macro game, but he plays to win and looks so happy when he does. His games are often very entertaining.
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
September 05 2018 14:30 GMT
#134
theres a lot of players who can beat just about anyone with the exception of someone flashes caliber. I dont care if shine is stuck playing cheesy or macro or somewhere inbetween. his career, and if he can take it so far as to only be incapable of beating flash, then he deserves quite a lot of respect.
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8641 Posts
September 05 2018 14:35 GMT
#135
On September 05 2018 22:45 BisuDagger wrote:
Is anyone bothered yet by the fact that Shine can't play a standard game?

edit: To preced any off topic Bisu comments cause of my name, I absolutely loved his builds in the series where he beat Bisu and it was genius in the same way Bisu lost to Yellow on HBR. But variations of all ins and trick builds gets you far enough to be stomped by players like Flash who don't die to it.


That's because Terran is the best race at holding cheeses/all-ins overall. And yeah, it bothers me as well but it's nothing new.
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
September 05 2018 15:21 GMT
#136
On September 05 2018 18:55 JackyVSO wrote:
It's not that I expected Byul to advance to the Ro. 16, but I was frankly shocked to see how helpless the pros made him look. In five seasons of ASL, I have never seen anyone get knocked out so easily.
Is it even humanly possible to reach pro level if you've never been a pro?

PURPOSE a couple of seasons ago seemed a lot more featherweight than ByuL yesterday.

I'm wondering how yerim2 will fare given that he was dispatched easily by ByuL in their ACS finals.
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
September 05 2018 16:39 GMT
#137
byul didn't do THAT bad considering. as artosis said, if he had bunkered or if he had controlled his forward tank a little more conservatively against the first dragoon bust, we are looking at a completely different game.

game 5 was kinda odd and where did not play to the defensive strengths of zerg. zerg kind of played as if he were on a clock, and he really was not.
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Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
September 05 2018 17:12 GMT
#138
I can’t wait for the semi-finals on forward. This tournament is going to keep getting better and better!
Desmond1
Profile Joined September 2018
20 Posts
September 05 2018 20:22 GMT
#139
Honestly shine could be a top 2 or 3 Zerg worldwide. The way Soulkey got dissected by last doesn’t really make you go wow. And everyone talks about larva but I haven’t seen many good results. So I’d say shine has a nice game and behind Jaedong the scene has been wide open for someone to win some tournaments. Now is your chance shine ol buddy.
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2550 Posts
September 05 2018 20:50 GMT
#140
On September 06 2018 05:22 Desmond1 wrote:
Honestly shine could be a top 2 or 3 Zerg worldwide. The way Soulkey got dissected by last doesn’t really make you go wow. And everyone talks about larva but I haven’t seen many good results. So I’d say shine has a nice game and behind Jaedong the scene has been wide open for someone to win some tournaments. Now is your chance shine ol buddy.


Shine would've lost 0-4 vs Last. He has decent ZvP and ok ZvZ but that's it.
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