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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
July 19 2018 22:53 GMT
#81
Dang, Mini made Last look like a second tier terran
Movie vs Rain on the other hand was fun. I didn't think that Movie would actually match Rain for so long every single game and even took the lead at times, but Rain as someone said is too damn good at eking out small advantages or bringing himself back into the game. Regardless, that BS game was great!

On July 20 2018 01:07 Dante08 wrote:
Is there a Terran other than Flash who is good at TvP now? From what I see every other Terran gets rolled by Snow, Mini and Rain.

To be fair, Rain is one of the best macro tosses right now. Snow is abusive as hell with reavers which are the bane of many terrans and he also seems to know how to play the matchup extremely well. Mini is an anomaly and has his own unique style that even Flash has problems with him though to be fair, Mini played crazy well today surviving Last's attack without losing a single carrier (Last should've pushed much harder when he had the chance and kill stuff) and just pushed him to the limit (that pull into the main with the reaver then pushed the natural when he had a single tank sieged).
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4139 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-20 01:36:37
July 20 2018 01:35 GMT
#82
On July 20 2018 07:53 BigFan wrote:
Dang, Mini made Last look like a second tier terran
Movie vs Rain on the other hand was fun. I didn't think that Movie would actually match Rain for so long every single game and even took the lead at times, but Rain as someone said is too damn good at eking out small advantages or bringing himself back into the game. Regardless, that BS game was great!

Show nested quote +
On July 20 2018 01:07 Dante08 wrote:
Is there a Terran other than Flash who is good at TvP now? From what I see every other Terran gets rolled by Snow, Mini and Rain.

To be fair, Rain is one of the best macro tosses right now. Snow is abusive as hell with reavers which are the bane of many terrans and he also seems to know how to play the matchup extremely well. Mini is an anomaly and has his own unique style that even Flash has problems with him though to be fair, Mini played crazy well today surviving Last's attack without losing a single carrier (Last should've pushed much harder when he had the chance and kill stuff) and just pushed him to the limit (that pull into the main with the reaver then pushed the natural when he had a single tank sieged).


That's what I'm saying, imo Last played well but never good enough to take the second game. Flash would have pushed much harder and get his 3rd gas faster to produce more goliaths. Mini was never in danger as long as he held his 3rd. Doesn't matter how many interceptors you kill, as long as Protoss doesn't lose a base or Carriers it's very easy to come back with 8 carriers, especially on blue storm.

And the third game Mini made Last look like a C+ Terran.
unoriginal_usernam3
Profile Joined November 2017
7 Posts
July 20 2018 02:52 GMT
#83
"I don't know why protoss don't just open with DT's every game" -Artosis

That game was hilarious, kept spitting out my food.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
July 20 2018 02:57 GMT
#84
On July 20 2018 10:35 Dante08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2018 07:53 BigFan wrote:
Dang, Mini made Last look like a second tier terran
Movie vs Rain on the other hand was fun. I didn't think that Movie would actually match Rain for so long every single game and even took the lead at times, but Rain as someone said is too damn good at eking out small advantages or bringing himself back into the game. Regardless, that BS game was great!

On July 20 2018 01:07 Dante08 wrote:
Is there a Terran other than Flash who is good at TvP now? From what I see every other Terran gets rolled by Snow, Mini and Rain.

To be fair, Rain is one of the best macro tosses right now. Snow is abusive as hell with reavers which are the bane of many terrans and he also seems to know how to play the matchup extremely well. Mini is an anomaly and has his own unique style that even Flash has problems with him though to be fair, Mini played crazy well today surviving Last's attack without losing a single carrier (Last should've pushed much harder when he had the chance and kill stuff) and just pushed him to the limit (that pull into the main with the reaver then pushed the natural when he had a single tank sieged).


That's what I'm saying, imo Last played well but never good enough to take the second game. Flash would have pushed much harder and get his 3rd gas faster to produce more goliaths. Mini was never in danger as long as he held his 3rd. Doesn't matter how many interceptors you kill, as long as Protoss doesn't lose a base or Carriers it's very easy to come back with 8 carriers, especially on blue storm.

And the third game Mini made Last look like a C+ Terran.

ya, at one point, Last was in a commanding lead and his goliath count increased too, but he never got to that third. I don't understand why either. Maybe he didn't think he could commit just yet and worried he'll lose all his tanks once the goliaths were picked off?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4139 Posts
July 20 2018 06:54 GMT
#85
On July 20 2018 02:48 KamMoye wrote:
Mong is great TvP


I'm pretty sure Mong gets 3-0ed every time by Snow, Rain and Mini. Hopefully Mind can show some sort of resistance.
FredStan
Profile Joined July 2018
1 Post
July 20 2018 14:30 GMT
#86
Are there any VODs on Youtube, or is it just twitch?
Immaterial
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada510 Posts
July 21 2018 04:02 GMT
#87
On July 20 2018 23:30 FredStan wrote:
Are there any VODs on Youtube, or is it just twitch?


Wondering the same, I can’t find the VODs in YouTube. Checking twitch I guess
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
July 21 2018 04:35 GMT
#88
Afaik Blizzard has some sort of exclusivity stuff going on with Twitch?

And since KSL is a Blizzard event it will only be on Twitch, could be wrong, sad if I am right because Twitch VODs aren't exactly the best...
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
Glueburn
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States496 Posts
July 21 2018 06:03 GMT
#89
On July 20 2018 07:53 BigFan wrote:
Movie vs Rain on the other hand was fun. I didn't think that Movie would actually match Rain for so long every single game and even took the lead at times,


As someone who has repeatedly discount Movie as a good protoss, I've been pleasantly surprised by how well he has performed in this tournament. His games against Larva were great, and though I can't tell if larva just seems like he is not in best form or not, I feel like Movie has been a fantastic player to watch as of late. Sure, on paper he lost pretty hard to Rain, but it was less of a complete stomp that I thought it would be.
Sometimes you have to play a long time to be able to play like yourself. - Miles Davis
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
July 21 2018 06:12 GMT
#90
Movie has always been great when he actually was practice. This was during the Sonic era but he's been busy last couple of years so his results are quite lackluster. Still, him making it to the Ro16 in the last ASL shows his capabilities. Also, agree, his games against Rain aren't reflected well in the results.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1240 Posts
July 21 2018 08:03 GMT
#91
Movie is a legendary Protoss in my mind. Not surprised he is showing good form since he started practicing more seriously.
ShAd_1337
Profile Joined January 2016
Germany1042 Posts
July 21 2018 11:16 GMT
#92
these bo5's are not fun to watch so early
I like Dark
xccam
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Great Britain1150 Posts
July 21 2018 18:29 GMT
#93
On July 21 2018 20:16 ShAd_1337 wrote:
these bo5's are not fun to watch so early

Fully agree, best of five in groups a mistake as far as I'm concerned.
TonDan
Profile Joined May 2018
65 Posts
July 21 2018 20:03 GMT
#94
On July 20 2018 07:53 BigFan wrote:
Dang, Mini made Last look like a second tier terran
Movie vs Rain on the other hand was fun. I didn't think that Movie would actually match Rain for so long every single game and even took the lead at times, but Rain as someone said is too damn good at eking out small advantages or bringing himself back into the game. Regardless, that BS game was great!

Show nested quote +
On July 20 2018 01:07 Dante08 wrote:
Is there a Terran other than Flash who is good at TvP now? From what I see every other Terran gets rolled by Snow, Mini and Rain.

To be fair, Rain is one of the best macro tosses right now. Snow is abusive as hell with reavers which are the bane of many terrans and he also seems to know how to play the matchup extremely well. Mini is an anomaly and has his own unique style that even Flash has problems with him though to be fair, Mini played crazy well today surviving Last's attack without losing a single carrier (Last should've pushed much harder when he had the chance and kill stuff) and just pushed him to the limit (that pull into the main with the reaver then pushed the natural when he had a single tank sieged).


I don't know why people call Last the second best Terran. From his games I just don't see any spark that would suggest an aptitude for Terran play beyond the level of second tier pro gamers. From his FPVods I can see that he uses his mouse waaaayyy too much it almost seems like he's playing with only the mouse.

Sharp on the other hand, holy crap, that TvT vs Sea shows a great ability to adapt and a very robust style. Never paid much attention to him but he looks fantastic. Right now he seems like the second best Terran to me.

And Mini, yes, oh my god, this guy is fking scary PvT and PvZ.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8594 Posts
July 23 2018 01:38 GMT
#95
I don't really get why the first two games between Last and Mini are so poorly rated. I thought g1 was fairly alright and g2 was pretty cool. Last just wasn't up to Mini's level but Mini played pretty spectacular. His army movement and attacks were on point. I completely disagree with Artosis and Tasteless in game 3 that his attack on Last's third was bad. He traded a good chunk of army which is what you want to do if you have a commanding lead with so many expansions. Don't let the terran turtle to 200/200. It would have been a bad attack if barely killed anything but he actually killed quite a bit.
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
July 23 2018 03:09 GMT
#96
Me neither. Every time I see Mini I am extremely impressed. Seems like a lot of ungrateful complainers. Best of 5 is incredible, a rare delectable treat with great English casters--unprecedented. And Mini v Last was a fun set, with impressive play from the winner in each match--he didn't roll over Last, he simply outclassed him and earned it.
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-23 03:48:11
July 23 2018 03:47 GMT
#97
Last back to his original form, then again he was never very good against Protoss.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
July 23 2018 06:29 GMT
#98
On July 22 2018 03:29 xccam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2018 20:16 ShAd_1337 wrote:
these bo5's are not fun to watch so early

Fully agree, best of five in groups a mistake as far as I'm concerned.

I like this fresh air in the tournament format, I don`t see why it could be a mistake.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-23 07:15:48
July 23 2018 07:15 GMT
#99
On July 23 2018 15:29 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2018 03:29 xccam wrote:
On July 21 2018 20:16 ShAd_1337 wrote:
these bo5's are not fun to watch so early

Fully agree, best of five in groups a mistake as far as I'm concerned.

I like this fresh air in the tournament format, I don`t see why it could be a mistake.

At first I thought "Bah! They're following the SC2 tournament model of oversaturating games, lowering the average quality of each match and cheapening the whole tournament." But now I've changed my attitude to "More BW matches! Fuck yeah!"
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
July 23 2018 08:04 GMT
#100
On July 23 2018 16:15 reincremate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2018 15:29 Malongo wrote:
On July 22 2018 03:29 xccam wrote:
On July 21 2018 20:16 ShAd_1337 wrote:
these bo5's are not fun to watch so early

Fully agree, best of five in groups a mistake as far as I'm concerned.

I like this fresh air in the tournament format, I don`t see why it could be a mistake.

At first I thought "Bah! They're following the SC2 tournament model of oversaturating games, lowering the average quality of each match and cheapening the whole tournament." But now I've changed my attitude to "More BW matches! Fuck yeah!"

It is not just more matches. If anything, having only one serie each day allows players to prepare for one matchup.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
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