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LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5758 Posts
December 12 2017 04:33 GMT
#161
Pickle Pirates, can use that picture above as logo
LuMiX T
Gladtone T/P?
Talent P
Edred P
Eywa P
Wallace P
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10410 Posts
December 12 2017 10:26 GMT
#162
lol

29-5 what a slayer

sorry Lumix
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-12 17:31:12
December 12 2017 17:23 GMT
#163
When I get home from work I'm going to update the rosters and send out PMs.

Going to talk about quickly how the decisions are being made so no one is confused. Originally I was going to give people entering the OK or not if they fit in the skill range I had formed in my mind. I did this by checking their starlog, by asking friends who have played these players, and by using my own personal experience as guidance. This is not the current system anymore, and now works differently. This is how the current system works:



A discord channel is formed on the RTL discord server where team leaders and people I know who ladder a ton have a special role to give them access to said channel. Whenever a player with higher than normal MMR enters the league, I post their name along with their starlogs and give them a thumbs up/thumbs down emote. Everyone with access to the channel then proceeds to click on thumbs up (if they think they should be allowed in the league) and then thumbs down (if they think they shouldn't). Also text is disabled so there is no discussions taking place that could change people's opinions.

People who I personally gave the okay to before I implemented this are still going to be allowed to play as I find it rude to say yes to someone, and then proceed to tell them no. Also I do not feel anyone I let in before this system outclasses the rest of the league to a ridiculous degree. After LuMiX and others have come to me telling me they feel teams are too strong, I decided this would be the best way to meet common ground. I host a league with a general idea in mind of how I want the skill to be set, and then I have a collection of players who vote on who may enter or not.

The benefits to such system are:
  • Less personal bias - The people voting on entrants is wide and has leaders and players from all different teams. Chat is disabled as well. This allows people to vote with their true opinions.
  • No power creeping teams - Teams will have a harder time stacking players with said system in place where it is hard for an individual to say no when a player is borderline meeting the skill ceiling, but a group may have a vested interest in voting against stronger teams fielding stronger players throughout.
  • Fairness - Having multiple opinions in a voting fashion call the shots allows more people to weigh their opinions. This is a lot better than having me gauge skills and compare them and make unfair decisions because of my inability to properly place people together with the current data I have (starlogs, etc).
  • Less bitching - Instead of having 30 pages of this thread be spawned by entrant issues like last RTL, this system is a lot more fair than just one person calling all the shots. Now if someone takes issue with a decision, it is not something they can appeal to just me, but they have to understand that this was voted on by team leaders and members of the league en masse.



Obviously the downside is everyone has a vested interest in keeping strong players out, so although that is a benefit, it is also a drawback. From common reception though, it seemed that people took issue with the stronger players I was letting in the league, so on the other hand it might actually be a silver lining all-in-all. Also something to understand is (and I've mentioned this before) that it is difficult and borderline retarded to make a tournament with a skill ceiling (esp with the playerbase numbers of SC:R) so nothing is perfect. There will be decisions made that will not look fair to everyone. The bottom line is, at this point, we're doing the best we can. And hopefully no one takes any decision personally, as I promise no one intends to hurt anyone through this or be mean.

I have a current list of 7 or so players that have gone through this process and I'm going to be adding them to the league if they passed, or send them a PM if they did not. Also, I will not be making posts about whether specific people have made it in or not and discourage any posts about people who are eligible or not as I do not want to spawn drama, cause feelings to be hurt, or let this topic run off its course. So I ask everyone do the same. Also I made this post because if you appeal to me in this thread or take issue with a decision that was made, I'm not responding and now you know why.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
Faustina
Profile Joined December 2017
7 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-12 18:12:35
December 12 2017 18:10 GMT
#164
On December 13 2017 02:23 SCC-Faust wrote:
When I get home from work I'm going to update the rosters and send out PMs.

Going to talk about quickly how the decisions are being made so no one is confused. Originally I was going to give people entering the OK or not if they fit in the skill range I had formed in my mind. I did this by checking their starlog, by asking friends who have played these players, and by using my own personal experience as guidance. This is not the current system anymore, and now works differently. This is how the current system works:



A discord channel is formed on the RTL discord server where team leaders and people I know who ladder a ton have a special role to give them access to said channel. Whenever a player with higher than normal MMR enters the league, I post their name along with their starlogs and give them a thumbs up/thumbs down emote. Everyone with access to the channel then proceeds to click on thumbs up (if they think they should be allowed in the league) and then thumbs down (if they think they shouldn't). Also text is disabled so there is no discussions taking place that could change people's opinions.

People who I personally gave the okay to before I implemented this are still going to be allowed to play as I find it rude to say yes to someone, and then proceed to tell them no. Also I do not feel anyone I let in before this system outclasses the rest of the league to a ridiculous degree. After LuMiX and others have come to me telling me they feel teams are too strong, I decided this would be the best way to meet common ground. I host a league with a general idea in mind of how I want the skill to be set, and then I have a collection of players who vote on who may enter or not.

The benefits to such system are:
  • Less personal bias - The people voting on entrants is wide and has leaders and players from all different teams. Chat is disabled as well. This allows people to vote with their true opinions.
  • No power creeping teams - Teams will have a harder time stacking players with said system in place where it is hard for an individual to say no when a player is borderline meeting the skill ceiling, but a group may have a vested interest in voting against stronger teams fielding stronger players throughout.
  • Fairness - Having multiple opinions in a voting fashion call the shots allows more people to weigh their opinions. This is a lot better than having me gauge skills and compare them and make unfair decisions because of my inability to properly place people together with the current data I have (starlogs, etc).
  • Less bitching - Instead of having 30 pages of this thread be spawned by entrant issues like last RTL, this system is a lot more fair than just one person calling all the shots. Now if someone takes issue with a decision, it is not something they can appeal to just me, but they have to understand that this was voted on by team leaders and members of the league en masse.



Obviously the downside is everyone has a vested interest in keeping strong players out, so although that is a benefit, it is also a drawback. From common reception though, it seemed that people took issue with the stronger players I was letting in the league, so on the other hand it might actually be a silver lining all-in-all. Also something to understand is (and I've mentioned this before) that it is difficult and borderline retarded to make a tournament with a skill ceiling (esp with the playerbase numbers of SC:R) so nothing is perfect. There will be decisions made that will not look fair to everyone. The bottom line is, at this point, we're doing the best we can. And hopefully no one takes any decision personally, as I promise no one intends to hurt anyone through this or be mean.

I have a current list of 7 or so players that have gone through this process and I'm going to be adding them to the league if they passed, or send them a PM if they did not. Also, I will not be making posts about whether specific people have made it in or not and discourage any posts about people who are eligible or not as I do not want to spawn drama, cause feelings to be hurt, or let this topic run off its course. So I ask everyone do the same. Also I made this post because if you appeal to me in this thread or take issue with a decision that was made, I'm not responding and now you know why.


I demand to let the people decide my fate. Thumbs up im in, thumbs down and im out. WHAT SAY YOU?!

edit: Shit i forgot to change accounts, this is Demurity btw. Im not in the league currently
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-12 18:46:36
December 12 2017 18:37 GMT
#165
LOL nice dude. And that is actually a good point. People I've personally said no to, I'll re-run them through this process.

And btw you had access to this channel but I'm going to temporarily remove it until people vote on you. After voting is done I'll give you back access.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
iRk-AGge
Profile Joined October 2017
Sweden400 Posts
December 12 2017 18:44 GMT
#166
Hi! When is the last sign-up date? 15/12?
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
December 12 2017 18:47 GMT
#167
On December 13 2017 03:44 iRk-AGge wrote:
Hi! When is the last sign-up date? 15/12?


Yes, this is when match-ups will be released and teams will be locked in (teams can still pick up new players, but no new teams may enter).
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
iRk-AGge
Profile Joined October 2017
Sweden400 Posts
December 12 2017 18:49 GMT
#168
Oh, so too late for iRk- then. :/
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
December 12 2017 18:55 GMT
#169
On December 13 2017 03:49 iRk-AGge wrote:
Oh, so too late for iRk- then. :/


You still have 3 days. You guys may enter. Also if there is an issue with you being able to submit a roster before the end of the 15th, we can talk and work something out.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
iRk-AGge
Profile Joined October 2017
Sweden400 Posts
December 12 2017 18:57 GMT
#170
Lovely! I'll check with our low ranked players if they want a league of their own.

I'll be back in a day!
Demurity
Profile Joined April 2011
United States424 Posts
December 12 2017 18:58 GMT
#171
On December 13 2017 03:37 SCC-Faust wrote:
LOL nice dude. And that is actually a good point. People I've personally said no to, I'll re-run them through this process.

And btw you had access to this channel but I'm going to temporarily remove it until people vote on you. After voting is done I'll give you back access.


Fair.

I had access to the discord channel? wut
|Terran|
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
December 12 2017 19:02 GMT
#172
On December 13 2017 03:58 Demurity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 03:37 SCC-Faust wrote:
LOL nice dude. And that is actually a good point. People I've personally said no to, I'll re-run them through this process.

And btw you had access to this channel but I'm going to temporarily remove it until people vote on you. After voting is done I'll give you back access.


Fair.

I had access to the discord channel? wut


Yah I probably should've said something but I added you, Ty2, sero, and Lumire to it since I figured you guys play a lot and know peoples skill better than most.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10890 Posts
December 12 2017 19:11 GMT
#173
Add me to Team russian herb please, thanks.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1605 Posts
December 12 2017 19:21 GMT
#174
On December 13 2017 03:57 iRk-AGge wrote:
Lovely! I'll check with our low ranked players if they want a league of their own.

I'll be back in a day!

Does iRk-Fedor still play? That dude had JD level Muta control back in 2003 lol.
iRk-AGge
Profile Joined October 2017
Sweden400 Posts
December 12 2017 19:26 GMT
#175
Faust, can you add me to discord server?
iRk-AgGe#4571
SchAmToo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1141 Posts
December 12 2017 19:40 GMT
#176
How do I sign up for a team?
twitch.tv/schamtoo | twitter.com/schamtoo
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10890 Posts
December 12 2017 19:41 GMT
#177
On December 13 2017 04:21 EndingLife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 03:57 iRk-AGge wrote:
Lovely! I'll check with our low ranked players if they want a league of their own.

I'll be back in a day!

Does iRk-Fedor still play? That dude had JD level Muta control back in 2003 lol.

I remember Fedor, I actually talked to him not long ago, I think he is still playing actually just not very active anymore
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
December 12 2017 20:26 GMT
#178
On December 13 2017 04:41 GGzerG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 04:21 EndingLife wrote:
On December 13 2017 03:57 iRk-AGge wrote:
Lovely! I'll check with our low ranked players if they want a league of their own.

I'll be back in a day!

Does iRk-Fedor still play? That dude had JD level Muta control back in 2003 lol.

I remember Fedor, I actually talked to him not long ago, I think he is still playing actually just not very active anymore


Is this same guy as npnl.fedor from like 5-6 years ago? Dude was a pretty decent zerg iirc, streamed alot and started a clan.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10410 Posts
December 12 2017 21:33 GMT
#179
On December 12 2017 13:33 LuMiX wrote:
Pickle Pirates, can use that picture above as logo
LuMiX T
Gladtone T/P?
Talent P
Edred P
Eywa P
Wallace P

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"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1605 Posts
December 12 2017 21:44 GMT
#180
On December 13 2017 05:26 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2017 04:41 GGzerG wrote:
On December 13 2017 04:21 EndingLife wrote:
On December 13 2017 03:57 iRk-AGge wrote:
Lovely! I'll check with our low ranked players if they want a league of their own.

I'll be back in a day!

Does iRk-Fedor still play? That dude had JD level Muta control back in 2003 lol.

I remember Fedor, I actually talked to him not long ago, I think he is still playing actually just not very active anymore


Is this same guy as npnl.fedor from like 5-6 years ago? Dude was a pretty decent zerg iirc, streamed alot and started a clan.

I'm not too sure if that's him but I remember all the iRk- guys from Europe server. Most of them were pretty damn good back in the day. iRk-Fedor always stood out to me because he had 350+ apm and SICK muta control before anyone was even stacking mutas.
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