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JS-Bach
Profile Joined December 2017
1 Post
December 14 2017 04:20 GMT
#201
Faust's Rookie Team League is an absolute sham. The MMR "soft limit" of 1800 might as well be a minimum to enter. The term rookie has never been more misused in the history of foreign Brood War. This league exists to stroke the egos of foreigners who have literally been playing since the game's inception. The tournament is bound to be filled with a bunch of genuine rookies who will act as mere punching bags for these heavily experienced foreigners. Meanwhile they get to all make it to the final stages of the tournament, and enjoy the false satisfaction of placing highly. Don't even bother applying unless you genuinely enjoy stroking the egos of experienced players who have always lacked the motivation or desire to actually become high level.
MiStAh
Profile Joined November 2008
United States98 Posts
December 14 2017 04:28 GMT
#202
https://starlog.gg/en/profile/us-west/14121213132?v=profile

does anybody need a terran player?
add mistah #1702
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-14 05:28:46
December 14 2017 04:34 GMT
#203
Faust's Rookie Team League is an absolute sham. The MMR "soft limit" of 1800 might as well be a minimum to enter. The term rookie has never been more misused in the history of foreign Brood War. This league exists to stroke the egos of foreigners who have literally been playing since the game's inception. The tournament is bound to be filled with a bunch of genuine rookies who will act as mere punching bags for these heavily experienced foreigners. Meanwhile they get to all make it to the final stages of the tournament, and enjoy the false satisfaction of placing highly. Don't even bother applying unless you genuinely enjoy stroking the egos of experienced players who have always lacked the motivation or desire to actually become high level.

Edit: fite me irl faust
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
SchAmToo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1141 Posts
December 14 2017 04:55 GMT
#204
Did people take the word "rookie" to mean newbie?
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docholiday_tv
Profile Joined April 2017
108 Posts
December 14 2017 06:52 GMT
#205
-5000 mmr zerg offering services as average-mmr-lowerer / general baddieness
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7221 Posts
December 14 2017 08:15 GMT
#206
Faust's Rookie Team League is an absolute sham. The MMR "soft limit" of 1800 might as well be a minimum to enter. The term rookie has never been more misused in the history of foreign Brood War. This league exists to stroke the egos of foreigners who have literally been playing since the game's inception. The tournament is bound to be filled with a bunch of genuine rookies who will act as mere punching bags for these heavily experienced foreigners. Meanwhile they get to all make it to the final stages of the tournament, and enjoy the false satisfaction of placing highly. Don't even bother applying unless you genuinely enjoy stroking the egos of experienced players who have always lacked the motivation or desire to actually become high level.
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10364 Posts
December 14 2017 08:43 GMT
#207
On December 14 2017 12:20 GGzerG wrote:
If I am too good for this league, then why are Wallace, Talent, Edred, iopq allowed to play? I am like even w/l vs iopq or maybe even like 2-3 or something, if you want replays or you can elaborate better on why I am not permitted to play, then please do so, otherwise this is just complete and utter garbage bias, as if the BW Foreign scene is flooded with players right now, blah i'm done, but it is obvious that I am right.

How many people have to vouch for me before this was an obvious BS decision?

You've lied about your skill so often to fit into a league, it's become comical.

If we go through your posting history, we will see evidence of you trying to sign up for:

D Rank Team League
C Rank Team League
Coach Pupil League

While also claiming a max rank of B.

So frankly, if I was an organizer for a league of this nature, I would absolutely not let you in, knowing that you will say whatever it takes to get your ass into this league, present whatever account suits your narrative, etc. So, it's easier to just let you off easy and give you that validation that "you're too good" and continue to justifiably ostracize you. Just my two cents.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
BlueStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Bulgaria1175 Posts
December 14 2017 08:45 GMT
#208
On December 14 2017 13:20 JS-Bach wrote:
Faust's Rookie Team League is an absolute sham. The MMR "soft limit" of 1800 might as well be a minimum to enter. The term rookie has never been more misused in the history of foreign Brood War. This league exists to stroke the egos of foreigners who have literally been playing since the game's inception. The tournament is bound to be filled with a bunch of genuine rookies who will act as mere punching bags for these heavily experienced foreigners. Meanwhile they get to all make it to the final stages of the tournament, and enjoy the false satisfaction of placing highly. Don't even bother applying unless you genuinely enjoy stroking the egos of experienced players who have always lacked the motivation or desire to actually become high level.


I was wondering for myself.
I'd like to participate in such thing, but I play SC since 2002, so I can't really say that I'm rookie.
I haven't played for ~7 years and am at MMR ~1700 right now - I most probably will be able to reach much higher MMR, however i have no time to practice.

On the other hand - there are already registered like tons of good players who will beat anyone at a 'rookie' level and joining the league makes no sense to me.

I've just had this thought process going on for the past week...

Leader of the Bulgarian National SCBW/SC2 team and team pSi.SCBW/SC2
craz3d
Profile Joined August 2005
Bulgaria856 Posts
December 14 2017 09:16 GMT
#209
On December 14 2017 13:55 SchAmToo wrote:
Did people take the word "rookie" to mean newbie?


Enlighten us-- what is the definition of the word rookie?
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10364 Posts
December 14 2017 10:56 GMT
#210
On December 14 2017 18:16 craz3d wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2017 13:55 SchAmToo wrote:
Did people take the word "rookie" to mean newbie?


Enlighten us-- what is the definition of the word rookie?

Non-pro. That's why I don't qualify, because I've made more money off Brood War than 90% of these chumps. I'd be overpowered.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
BlueStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Bulgaria1175 Posts
December 14 2017 12:56 GMT
#211
FYI

rookie
ˈrʊki/Submit
nouninformal
a new recruit, especially in the army or police.
e.g. "a rookie cop"
a member of a sports team in their first full season.
Leader of the Bulgarian National SCBW/SC2 team and team pSi.SCBW/SC2
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
December 14 2017 13:48 GMT
#212
I appreciate all the people who have shown interest in playing in RTL and I do not fault those who feel that this league is a bit misrepresented, but people have to realize this is a very old game with a small playerbase. These two issues spawn a lot of problems when trying to create a league for newer players. For one, it is difficult to form a league for newer players with really tight restraints because there isn't a large enough player pool to do so. Two, the game is so old, that most of the playerbase are people who have played for many years or are very familiar with how to play the game. This makes the perceived skill level of an "average" player a lot higher in the mind of someone just getting into StarCraft: Remastered.

People who feel that the range of skill for this league is not low enough for them, I understand that is their prerogative, and I support their decision to not play. There used to be a league that may be more in line with their desired skill level that is called "Coach/Pupil League" that was previously ran by L_Master and uses a "teaching" format. A large portion of the players who participated in that league are actually in Rookie Teamleague 2.

You can read more about it here: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Coach-Pupil_League

Also I feel as if the only problem with ego issues is not of the people who have entered, but rather the people who are not entering on the basis that they don't feel like they will be able to win enough. As someone who enters tournaments all the time when I know I have no chance (Clash for Chars / TL Opens), I can tell you it is literally as easy as clicking "register" and having a fun time. If losing bothers you that much, especially at a lower level, maybe you should find another way to invest your time that is less stressful for you.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
aiwekas
Profile Joined February 2017
45 Posts
December 14 2017 14:22 GMT
#213
any team need me?
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10846 Posts
December 14 2017 16:06 GMT
#214
On December 14 2017 17:43 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2017 12:20 GGzerG wrote:
If I am too good for this league, then why are Wallace, Talent, Edred, iopq allowed to play? I am like even w/l vs iopq or maybe even like 2-3 or something, if you want replays or you can elaborate better on why I am not permitted to play, then please do so, otherwise this is just complete and utter garbage bias, as if the BW Foreign scene is flooded with players right now, blah i'm done, but it is obvious that I am right.

How many people have to vouch for me before this was an obvious BS decision?

You've lied about your skill so often to fit into a league, it's become comical.

If we go through your posting history, we will see evidence of you trying to sign up for:

D Rank Team League
C Rank Team League
Coach Pupil League



While also claiming a max rank of B.

So frankly, if I was an organizer for a league of this nature, I would absolutely not let you in, knowing that you will say whatever it takes to get your ass into this league, present whatever account suits your narrative, etc. So, it's easier to just let you off easy and give you that validation that "you're too good" and continue to justifiably ostracize you. Just my two cents.


Peoples skills change, and this little league was just for fun, your attempt to try to justify a BS ruling just makes you look like even more of a band wagoner, than you already appear to be, you ever think for yourself or just run around spamming your over sense of entitlement for no reason? Chat crafting hero
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
December 14 2017 17:07 GMT
#215
On December 15 2017 01:06 GGzerG wrote:

Peoples skills change, and this little league was just for fun, your attempt to try to justify a BS ruling just makes you look like even more of a band wagoner, than you already appear to be, you ever think for yourself or just run around spamming your over sense of entitlement for no reason? Chat crafting hero


He isn't even playing in the league and he was one of the people who took most issue with the rulings of the first league, so what you're saying makes literally no sense. Also I PM people because this thread really isn't for discussion, and it is distasteful to bring up names of people who were not allowed in without their permission.

Also if you or anyone else I said no to genuinely believes I'm being unfair or doing this from a place of bias or malice, please read the first Rookie Teamleague thread: HERE.The topic sits at 36 pages and over half of the posts are debates and discussion about how lax I was about player entry and skill level. It killed the enjoyment for a portion of players and some even stopped showing up because of how stacked the rosters became after each subsequent week. My only intention with doing this new system was to prevent that from happening again. I honestly do not want to say no to people and feel regret when I have to exclude people who show interest in something I specifically made for people to take interest in.

I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10846 Posts
December 14 2017 19:32 GMT
#216
On December 15 2017 02:07 SCC-Faust wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2017 01:06 GGzerG wrote:

Peoples skills change, and this little league was just for fun, your attempt to try to justify a BS ruling just makes you look like even more of a band wagoner, than you already appear to be, you ever think for yourself or just run around spamming your over sense of entitlement for no reason? Chat crafting hero


He isn't even playing in the league and he was one of the people who took most issue with the rulings of the first league, so what you're saying makes literally no sense. Also I PM people because this thread really isn't for discussion, and it is distasteful to bring up names of people who were not allowed in without their permission.

Also if you or anyone else I said no to genuinely believes I'm being unfair or doing this from a place of bias or malice, please read the first Rookie Teamleague thread: HERE.The topic sits at 36 pages and over half of the posts are debates and discussion about how lax I was about player entry and skill level. It killed the enjoyment for a portion of players and some even stopped showing up because of how stacked the rosters became after each subsequent week. My only intention with doing this new system was to prevent that from happening again. I honestly do not want to say no to people and feel regret when I have to exclude people who show interest in something I specifically made for people to take interest in.


How about a grudge match, if I win I gain entry, if I lose then I’ll never sign up for another one of these amateur leagues again. Deal? ...

Especially since you told people I dodged you, let’s make this interesting.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12054 Posts
December 14 2017 19:36 GMT
#217
On December 15 2017 04:32 GGzerG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2017 02:07 SCC-Faust wrote:
On December 15 2017 01:06 GGzerG wrote:

Peoples skills change, and this little league was just for fun, your attempt to try to justify a BS ruling just makes you look like even more of a band wagoner, than you already appear to be, you ever think for yourself or just run around spamming your over sense of entitlement for no reason? Chat crafting hero


He isn't even playing in the league and he was one of the people who took most issue with the rulings of the first league, so what you're saying makes literally no sense. Also I PM people because this thread really isn't for discussion, and it is distasteful to bring up names of people who were not allowed in without their permission.

Also if you or anyone else I said no to genuinely believes I'm being unfair or doing this from a place of bias or malice, please read the first Rookie Teamleague thread: HERE.The topic sits at 36 pages and over half of the posts are debates and discussion about how lax I was about player entry and skill level. It killed the enjoyment for a portion of players and some even stopped showing up because of how stacked the rosters became after each subsequent week. My only intention with doing this new system was to prevent that from happening again. I honestly do not want to say no to people and feel regret when I have to exclude people who show interest in something I specifically made for people to take interest in.


How about a grudge match, if I win I gain entry, if I lose then I’ll never sign up for another one of these amateur leagues again. Deal? ...

Especially since you told people I dodged you, let’s make this interesting.


Just take the L man. Jeez people are fed up with you and Faust's beef. Take it to discord.
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EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1605 Posts
December 14 2017 19:41 GMT
#218
I'd love to see a grudge match! Especially since people still hold petty grudges related to a 20 year old game.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10364 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-14 19:54:52
December 14 2017 19:52 GMT
#219
On December 15 2017 01:06 GGzerG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2017 17:43 Jealous wrote:
On December 14 2017 12:20 GGzerG wrote:
If I am too good for this league, then why are Wallace, Talent, Edred, iopq allowed to play? I am like even w/l vs iopq or maybe even like 2-3 or something, if you want replays or you can elaborate better on why I am not permitted to play, then please do so, otherwise this is just complete and utter garbage bias, as if the BW Foreign scene is flooded with players right now, blah i'm done, but it is obvious that I am right.

How many people have to vouch for me before this was an obvious BS decision?

You've lied about your skill so often to fit into a league, it's become comical.

If we go through your posting history, we will see evidence of you trying to sign up for:

D Rank Team League
C Rank Team League
Coach Pupil League



While also claiming a max rank of B.

So frankly, if I was an organizer for a league of this nature, I would absolutely not let you in, knowing that you will say whatever it takes to get your ass into this league, present whatever account suits your narrative, etc. So, it's easier to just let you off easy and give you that validation that "you're too good" and continue to justifiably ostracize you. Just my two cents.


Peoples skills change, and this little league was just for fun, your attempt to try to justify a BS ruling just makes you look like even more of a band wagoner, than you already appear to be, you ever think for yourself or just run around spamming your over sense of entitlement for no reason? Chat crafting hero


You applied for the D and C leagues by LYING about your rank. That's not a change in skill. That's you intentionally trying to deceive organizers.

"you ever think for yourself or just run around spamming your over sense of entitlement for no reason"

Ignoring the fact that this is illegible garbage, name one thing that I said that was a repetition of what someone else said in this thread and was unoriginal? I brought an entirely new argument and perspective to the table. Just lol.


On December 15 2017 04:32 GGzerG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2017 02:07 SCC-Faust wrote:
On December 15 2017 01:06 GGzerG wrote:

Peoples skills change, and this little league was just for fun, your attempt to try to justify a BS ruling just makes you look like even more of a band wagoner, than you already appear to be, you ever think for yourself or just run around spamming your over sense of entitlement for no reason? Chat crafting hero


He isn't even playing in the league and he was one of the people who took most issue with the rulings of the first league, so what you're saying makes literally no sense. Also I PM people because this thread really isn't for discussion, and it is distasteful to bring up names of people who were not allowed in without their permission.

Also if you or anyone else I said no to genuinely believes I'm being unfair or doing this from a place of bias or malice, please read the first Rookie Teamleague thread: HERE.The topic sits at 36 pages and over half of the posts are debates and discussion about how lax I was about player entry and skill level. It killed the enjoyment for a portion of players and some even stopped showing up because of how stacked the rosters became after each subsequent week. My only intention with doing this new system was to prevent that from happening again. I honestly do not want to say no to people and feel regret when I have to exclude people who show interest in something I specifically made for people to take interest in.


How about a grudge match, if I win I gain entry, if I lose then I’ll never sign up for another one of these amateur leagues again. Deal? ...

Especially since you told people I dodged you, let’s make this interesting.

"Hey bro let's fight, if I win then you have to take back what you said about me being too strong."

#TelecomLogic
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-14 20:04:43
December 14 2017 20:04 GMT
#220
On December 15 2017 04:32 GGzerG wrote:

How about a grudge match, if I win I gain entry, if I lose then I’ll never sign up for another one of these amateur leagues again. Deal? ...

Especially since you told people I dodged you, let’s make this interesting.


“ if i win this grudge match, it means im not too good for this league“. What a remarkable logic, LOL
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