EPTOn November 07 2017 21:01 Iplaythings wrote:
Bisu delivering beautiful PvZ as one of his final games is almost poetic.
Bisu delivering beautiful PvZ as one of his final games is almost poetic.
So true.
[ASL4] 3rd Place Match - Larva vs Bisu - Page 10
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
So true. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1717 Posts
i really enjoyed the series. | ||
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Miragee
8700 Posts
Couldn't care less about the finals after this. Indeed. | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1717 Posts
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1717 Posts
On November 08 2017 11:01 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote: So this is how you play against turtle zerg. Who says you gotta break zerg? Wait for them to try and break you and then attack... GG Bisu Take notes Rain Wait for him to get the best army in the game of 200/200 with delifers and crack lings? No thanks./ Bisu won because of his incredible harass, control and multi-tasking. Not because he sat on his ass and waited for Larva. | ||
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Miragee
8700 Posts
On November 08 2017 12:15 ShowTheLights wrote: Wait for him to get the best army in the game of 200/200 with delifers and crack lings? No thanks./ Bisu won because of his incredible harass, control and multi-tasking. Not because he sat on his ass and waited for Larva. Protoss honestly has the stronger 200/200 army. | ||
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reincremate
China2216 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
Looking forward to having him back from military service. His dedication has added so much to BW, especially as the recent post-KeSPA scene has gotten off the ground. He plays Protoss like nobody else. It was great to see him end this chapter on a high note. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
 Game 4 on Gladiator, Larva recovered well after he lost all those lurkers and ate that huge storm drop that killed lots of workers at his 3rd/4th. Problem is, he kept trying to break Bisu's fourth and in turn, had barely an army to defend his mineral only and subsequent expansions = gg.WP by both. Really enjoyed the last game so hopefully both were somewhat satisfied though poor larva T.T | ||
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sM.Zik
Canada2553 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12049 Posts
On November 08 2017 13:12 Miragee wrote: Protoss honestly has the stronger 200/200 army. Yup, Reaver, Archon, Templar just beats everything pretty much. It's just so hard to actually make it to that composition, but it melts everything zerg has even with swarm. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1717 Posts
On November 08 2017 12:15 ShowTheLights wrote: Wait for him to get the best army in the game of 200/200 with delifers and crack lings? No thanks./ Bisu won because of his incredible harass, control and multi-tasking. Not because he sat on his ass and waited for Larva. Larva didnt have swarm and cracklings? And I’m not saying you autowin by doing that. But when the best toss (and best PvZ) in the world cant break through a turtled zerg with a 50-90 supply advantage, and wins a game without breaking the zerg and allowing it to max out, that has to tell you something. | ||
disciple
9071 Posts
Also, lets be real, if he decides to play again in 2 years he will still be one of the best in the world. | ||
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ReTr0[p.S]
Argentina1590 Posts
On November 08 2017 19:18 Qikz wrote: Yup, Reaver, Archon, Templar just beats everything pretty much. It's just so hard to actually make it to that composition, but it melts everything zerg has even with swarm. It does to an extent. The strength of Protoss is in small numbers, while the strength of Zerg is in large numbers. While Protoss may melt everything at the beginning with such a composition, a continuing aggression by Zerg will eventually break that down, specially with cracklings/swarm/plagu. You also have to take into account the cost of rebuilding such a composition in the late game, for protoss it's almost impossible, while for zerg it's rather affordable. | ||
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Soulforged
Latvia981 Posts
On November 08 2017 19:18 Qikz wrote: Yup, Reaver, Archon, Templar just beats everything pretty much. It's just so hard to actually make it to that composition, but it melts everything zerg has even with swarm. It is a fair matchup against sunk spore lurk, though. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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mcmascote
Brazil1575 Posts
On November 08 2017 11:01 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote: So this is how you play against turtle zerg. Who says you gotta break zerg? Wait for them to try and break you and then attack... GG Bisu Take notes Rain Did you watch the game? If so, try to recall how Bisu's got his advantage on that game. He tried to break Larva's natural, attacking the hat and while he was doing it Larva was forced to send reinforcements from the other natural. That's how you force trades as a P. On other maps the Z would wait for the toss to be fully committed to the sunken line to send reinforcements, but Gladiator is too big and if you wait you wont have the timing to sandwich the toss army. He put his units close to his natural to do the sandwich but Bisu caught that in the way. How that happened? Because Bisu was attacking larva's static defense. After that Bisu tried to break the empty main's natural Larva had taken. He fully committed there killing 8 or so lurkers, a lot of lings and hydras until larva managed to stop it with a nydus to reinforce. Imagine if Bisu had waited for the nydus+adrenal to pop in the game. He would get raped. His 2star corsair didn't do much because it was scouted, his initial drops didn't do anything, etc, What won him the game was attacking the turtle zerg. | ||
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mcmascote
Brazil1575 Posts
On November 08 2017 13:12 Miragee wrote: Protoss honestly has the stronger 200/200 army. Arguably. I disagree, but one thing you can't disagree is that Zerg's mobility is immensely superior. 2 groups of adrenal lings can destroy a toss base in seconds, add a defiler and it can erase a toss expo in less than seconds.It takes a lot of time to make the perfect D (storms+cann+reavers) and on a high level match you'll only achieve that D by forcing the Z playing defensively. | ||
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
if i remember correctly he stated in the R8 it would be his last official tournament so what any help? (btw im pretty devastated i found bisu one of the most entertaining characters on afreeca and also one of the most passionate in terms of staying true to himself, he has always spoken his mind never censored himself he was one of the first to say his heart is with star and not sc2 and was disappointed with the gameplay of SC2 and the fans that left SC2 duo to poor gameplay. never forget !!onlystar!! ) | ||
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