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ppp87
Profile Joined May 2016
Laos250 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 11:31:07
October 17 2017 11:30 GMT
#101
attacking first while knowing hero skipped speed ? why ?
Zealgoon
Profile Joined January 2013
China187 Posts
October 17 2017 11:30 GMT
#102
Uhhhhh. If Larva loses to hero as well... I'm gonna cry
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
October 17 2017 11:33 GMT
#103
Bugger

Nothing against Hero but would've much rather seen SK advance from this side of the bracket.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4116 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 11:33:56
October 17 2017 11:33 GMT
#104
the magic of ZvZ, the only match up in broodwar based on at least 20-30% luck together with a skill set that almost does not transition into any other match up:-)) The only match up where having good or bad results does not tell almost anything about your overall broodwar skill
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
October 17 2017 11:34 GMT
#105
lmao. this makes it so easy for bisu or flash. christ...
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
October 17 2017 11:36 GMT
#106
I wouldn't bank on Bisu taking out Killer easily. But yeah, things got a little easier for whoever makes it out of the lower bracket (likely Flash or Bisu).
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
October 17 2017 11:37 GMT
#107
Larva v hero
Killer v Mind

Ro4 incoming.
The heart's eternal vow
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
October 17 2017 11:37 GMT
#108
I think you guys should give hero more credit. I too wanted SK to advance but if Bisu advances from the other side, I'm sure we'll get one hell of a nice final if hero beats Larva. He was a ZvP specialist in the past for a reason and has beaten Bisu in the last SSL 3-0. Biggest thing is that he should practice hard for it, however, based off his last statement from the interview, looks like he practiced a ton of ZvZ so I wouldn't be surprised to see him practice a ton of ZvP.

Now, if Flash makes the finals, well, I don't think hero would be strong enough to win. Maybe take a game and at least put up some fight? He's certainly a great multitasker and makes great decisions (that canceled gas in game 5 for ex or that inbase hatch in game 4). His mutalisk micro is also up there imo from the bits I saw so as long as he dedicates himself to practice hard for the finals, I think they'll be a great watch.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4009 Posts
October 17 2017 11:39 GMT
#109
yeah that's what i hate the most in zvz. Its so different from other matchups, that you end up with either brilliant zergs having an average record in it, or with average zergs being extremely good zvz specialists. That fucks up the zergs overall results quite badly.
I think large part of the reason of JD's success was his being equally strong in mirrors and non-mirrors.
Sad. I wanted Soulkey to keep rolling. If hero knocks out both SK and Larva, we all are going to enjoy 3-0 finals.
Drone is a way of living
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
October 17 2017 11:40 GMT
#110
Poll: Recommend Game 5?

Yes (8)
 
44%

No (4)
 
22%

If you have time (6)
 
33%

18 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Game 5?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
chuDr3t4
Profile Joined April 2010
Russian Federation484 Posts
October 17 2017 11:45 GMT
#111
On October 17 2017 20:33 M2 wrote:
the magic of ZvZ, the only match up in broodwar based on at least 20-30% luck together with a skill set that almost does not transition into any other match up:-)) The only match up where having good or bad results does not tell almost anything about your overall broodwar skill

This is so annoying to read, if ANY of that was true how could JD be able to have 81% ZvZ WR and push the Elo record at the peak of BW(2009)? Like seriously, if you don't understand the match up it doesn't mean it is luck based.
I live in Russia. I wear the fufaika, valenoks and the shapka-ushanka with the red star. I drink vodka straight from the samovar, and my riding bear plays on the balalaika.
Zealgoon
Profile Joined January 2013
China187 Posts
October 17 2017 11:45 GMT
#112
Yeah, well I suppose hero vs Bisu would be a decent finals, but I'm not terribly optimistic about Bisu's chance to make it past Flash and I'm not even going to watch hero v Flash in a Bo5.
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 11:58:30
October 17 2017 11:46 GMT
#113
On October 17 2017 20:29 PVJ wrote:
Pfffffff............ I........... am......... surprised. hero is in the Ro4. Wouldn't have bet on this when the Ro24 started.


He's actually overall been pretty good. I think we just underestimate him because he's not technically at the same level as Larva, effOrt, Soulkey, and Jaedong. His preparation today was unreal, from the 9overpool build on Gladiator to the brilliant 9pool pathing on Crossing Field. In the games that he won, he was playing from an obvious standpoint of preparation.

Tbh, Soulkey couldn't do anything in G1 or G5. Hero's build was just straight up better in every respect, and I think that was reflected in Soulkey's attempts to all-in over and over. The onus was on him to do some damage and get ahead, but every time he tried, hero just had more stuff.

EDIT: It's possible that the build hero used on Gladiator is the primary reason he won. Not trying to devalue his play or anything, but being well ahead of your opponent in an otherwise "even" game in 2 games is a huge advantage. It's theoretically possible that hero gets rekt if he goes for something more "standard" in Games 1 and 5.

On October 17 2017 20:30 ortseam wrote:
Well hero has actually been the most consistent zerg in ASL so far


This. I didn't think hero was all that good, but when I looked back at his ASL record, he's been in the Ro8 3 times out of 4. I think it's a case of not living up to his "potential" that we touted back in the SSL era of Brood War.
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
October 17 2017 11:57 GMT
#114
On October 17 2017 20:46 EsportsJohn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2017 20:29 PVJ wrote:
Pfffffff............ I........... am......... surprised. hero is in the Ro4. Wouldn't have bet on this when the Ro24 started.


He's actually overall been pretty good. I think we just underestimate him because he's not technically at the same level as Larva, effOrt, Soulkey, and Jaedong. His preparation today was unreal, from the 9overpool build on Gladiator to the brilliant 9pool pathing on Crossing Field. In the games that he won, he was playing from an obvious standpoint of preparation.

Tbh, Soulkey couldn't do anything in G1 or G5. Hero's build was just straight up better in every respect, and I think that was reflected in Soulkey's attempts to all-in over and over. The onus was on him to do some damage and get ahead, but every time he tried, hero just had more stuff.

Show nested quote +
On October 17 2017 20:30 ortseam wrote:
Well hero has actually been the most consistent zerg in ASL so far


This. I didn't think hero was all that good, but when I looked back at his ASL record, he's been in the Ro8 3 times out of 4. I think it's a case of not living up to his "potential" that we touted back in the SSL era of Brood War.

hero actually lived up to his potential in SSL. He lost to Bisu in a close series in SSL9 after Bisu did a 2 gate opener on sniper ridge then got revenge in the last SSL by destroying Bisu. It was unreal. Bisu looked like a completely scrub losing his hts to hold lurkers and his army to mass hydras without doing a thing haha. Bisu partially saved face in VANT against EffOrt but he also lost 3-1 there XD

Agree overall though, I think hero is being underestimated but he has been somewhat consistent and placing high enough in ASL so it's not that surprising. Still, I'd rather have seen him win a close ZvP match to at least show that his skills overall haven't declined compared to the continuous flood of ZvZ since the Ro16.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
October 17 2017 12:12 GMT
#115
Confirmed 1 widescreen view user in semi finals?
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4779 Posts
October 17 2017 12:28 GMT
#116
For me, hero played the early game way better, with bo advantage in every single game. He simply lost because his mechanic/decisions were inferior post the bo stage.
He was consistently able to pump out more lings/mutas with sometimes less initial resources and played smarter.
SK simply managed to take wins by having the presence of mind during the chaos.
Taxes are for Terrans
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
October 17 2017 12:59 GMT
#117
You guys are right, we should give hero credit. But sk had a better chance against flash... And we need all the help to beat god
Burned Toast *
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada2040 Posts
October 17 2017 13:22 GMT
#118
Vods of today's games available in the Small Vod Thread.
TvT matchup is sometimes worse than jailtime
yOngKIN
Profile Joined May 2012
Korea (North)656 Posts
October 17 2017 14:30 GMT
#119
What if we get a herO vs.Flash finals and herO defeats Flash to win the championship
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
October 17 2017 14:41 GMT
#120
GJ by herO. He is way underrated while SK is way overhyped. Heros ZvP and ZvZ is all good, it was godlike during Sonic era, he just needs to learn survive vs. late mech vs. T.
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