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This is fucking amazing, thanks for putting this together. Look forward to watching and maybe playing in a qualifier just for the hell of it
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Just an update, this weekends NA qualifiers semi-Grand finals will be streamed live on twitch.tv/ZOTAC_CUP featuring casters, Sayle and Schamtoo.
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On October 12 2017 02:26 cKranez wrote:
Just an update, this weekends NA qualifiers semi-Grand finals will be streamed live on twitch.tv/ZOTAC_CUP featuring casters, Sayle and Schamtoo.
Solid casting crew!
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On October 12 2017 02:26 cKranez wrote:
Just an update, this weekends NA qualifiers semi-Grand finals will be streamed live on twitch.tv/ZOTAC_CUP featuring casters, Sayle and Schamtoo.
(☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞
Pretty excited to get to do this!
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are players allowed to stream their games?
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On October 12 2017 09:45 Terrorterran wrote:
are players allowed to stream their games?
Bracket games should be OK ; however, semi - grand finals will not be allowed. Sorry :T
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When are brackets going to be posted? Is it right before the tournament?
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On October 14 2017 02:21 Jaeyun wrote:
When are brackets going to be posted? Is it right before the tournament?
Yes, should be up right before the tournament.
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On October 08 2017 02:35 EndingLife wrote:
Bump hype! I wonder how much Nony has been practicing for the Italy tour and possibly this one.
Salute.
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Is there a channel to meet in?
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Discord Channel discord.gg/3ZzQMR2
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Is there a Battle.net channel to meet in for those who don't use discord?
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Hey guys! its being streamed right now over at twitch.tv/zotac_Cup
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for a tournament this significant i find it very surprising there's no liquipedia entry
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On October 16 2017 07:17 GTR wrote:
for a tournament this significant i find it very surprising there's no liquipedia entry
How does one obtain a liquidpedia entry :D ?
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Okay, I just watched the finals live on twitch.
First off, great performances by all participants.
Second, the "Grand Finals" rules MUST be changed. It is purely injustice to have the winners bracket winner make it to the finals and lose one set to the losers bracket winner in a double elimination bracket, and lose the entire tournament.
*Spoilers below*
Nyoken lost 1 set at the very end, while Hawk lost 1 set to get to the losers bracket. Yet, Hawk wins the whole thing? It's absolutely necessary to have a 2nd set if the winners bracket finalist loses the set. It makes zero sense, and many people in twitch chat felt the same empathy towards Nyoken for not getting the 2nd chance. There is no advantage in being in the winners bracket aside from having less potential games (but that's why losers of a set get punished into the losers bracket...)
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On October 16 2017 12:31 Demurity wrote:
Okay, I just watched the finals live on twitch.
First off, great performances by all participants.
Second, the "Grand Finals" rules MUST be changed. It is purely injustice to have the winners bracket winner make it to the finals and lose one set to the losers bracket winner in a double elimination bracket, and lose the entire tournament.
*Spoilers below*
Nyoken lost 1 set at the very end, while Hawk lost 1 set to get to the losers bracket. Yet, Hawk wins the whole thing? It's absolutely necessary to have a 2nd set if the winners bracket finalist loses the set. It makes zero sense, and many people in twitch chat felt the same empathy towards Nyoken for not getting the 2nd chance. There is no advantage in being in the winners bracket aside from having less potential games (but that's why losers of a set get punished into the losers bracket...)
Originally, this was supposed to be the rules, double elim, however, from my understanding the players agreed to one BO5 which was confirmed by both the admins and the casters, but there seemed to be some confusion because Nyoken thought it would be one BO5 then BO1 losers, instead it was just one BO5 to decide the winner.
I apologize for the misunderstanding that resulted in this outcome. I will make it my priority that this will not be repeated.
Thank you all for participating in the tournament we had some amazing games!
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Valhalla18444 Posts
First of all, the games today were great, shoutouts to kawaiirice kid you are GOOD!
However...
Above and beyond the confusion from the players (miscommunication happens), that's a poor tournament format. Nyoken was eliminated from the tournament after losing just one set, whereas every other player had to lose twice to be eliminated. Hawk and Nyoken both have one set loss, but Hawk is the champion and Nyoken is out?
I'm struggling to understand the purpose of running the entire thing double-elimination beforehand if you aren't going to finish it that way. I can understand making decisions to account for how long the event takes to finish, how much of the caster's time is needed, etc, but in my opinion you absolutely cannot make decisions that create an uneven playing field for the competitors. This is a critical oversight and it really turned me off the event.
While watching, I heard three different versions of what was "supposed" to happen from the players, the casters, and what the casters relayed from the admins. Moreover, the decision seemed to be in flux and still pending while Grand Finals was already under way. That, to me, is unacceptable.
You need to ensure that all your players, admins, and casters are aware of the tournament format. I would also recommend moving to a bo3 series Grand Final with a potential bracket reset, like any other double elim tournament in gaming. Nyoken was under the impression that it was Best of 5 for the first set, and if Hawk reset (ie, knocked Nyoken into Loser's Bracket!), then the second set would be Bo1. Imo that's a poor solution as well, and resting everything on a Bo1 set may produce low quality games on average.
If I was Nyoken I'd be livid after being told I was eliminated after losing only one set in a double elimination bracket, but his only response was "oh well, I'll try again next time", so credit to him lol
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