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On December 04 2017 14:40 MindBreaker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2017 14:35 Siz)Beggar wrote:
starcraft is a game that rewards those who put in the time and effort he plays 100s of games a month and has been doing this on a consistent basis for probably 10+ years since he was trying to join skt back in the days he is a notch above these players because he has earned it and deserved it Yeah and im sure LX and some of hte other guys in that tournament train hard too. The difference of course being that they dont live in Korea and do not have access to ASL training partners which of course means they can never be as good. No one is saying he doesnt deserve to win or that he hasnt trained hard to be here that isnt the debate. Its whether that gives you the right to be an ass.
so you think that foreigners cant practice with these pros? i bet bonyth can get games vs top krs right now if he chose to. i can also bet you that lx doesnt play nearly as many games as larva does.
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I liked it and thought it was fun. I liked it when Larva played as a terran and nuked the ptotoss. Larva is fun to watch and he is very good.
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On December 04 2017 14:34 jinjin5000 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2017 13:50 GGzerG wrote:On December 04 2017 13:42 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Btw maybe it's also a korea vs china rivalry thing going on here I was wondering this as well, but this was really super disrespectful IMO, I think it was moreso b/c of China vs Korea than anything... EDIT 1 : InControl looked super mad and it seemed pretty authentic, I can understand why if it was real. It was a really awesome cast, thanks for hosting it guys! Hope to see it again soon, I didn't realize that Larva was playing against all of the foreigners though? I thought it was just a showmatch between Legend and Larva lol, a given he'd win. =\ lol fuck off with your speculation. You don't know shit and you are trying to bring up race issue here. It was pure larva being a showman/cocky ass.
showmanship at the expence of other people = being an idiot. He gets away doing that on his stream, because he plays against people who both know him personally and know his antics so it's not bm but rather silly banter. It's the same as why you don't play stupid jokes on complete strangers. You could clearly see Legend wasn't amused in the slightest.
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I actually really liked this from Larva. Non-Koreans always like to complain when Koreans are allowed to play in tournaments, but they play anyway and allow themselves to be put into these situations where their opponent can just toy with them.
Troll him instead, if you're going to have an issue about it, make the issue known in game. It's the best way to send a message, talking about it before and/or after is pointless.
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On December 04 2017 14:48 juvenal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2017 14:34 jinjin5000 wrote:On December 04 2017 13:50 GGzerG wrote:On December 04 2017 13:42 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Btw maybe it's also a korea vs china rivalry thing going on here I was wondering this as well, but this was really super disrespectful IMO, I think it was moreso b/c of China vs Korea than anything... EDIT 1 : InControl looked super mad and it seemed pretty authentic, I can understand why if it was real. It was a really awesome cast, thanks for hosting it guys! Hope to see it again soon, I didn't realize that Larva was playing against all of the foreigners though? I thought it was just a showmatch between Legend and Larva lol, a given he'd win. =\ lol fuck off with your speculation. You don't know shit and you are trying to bring up race issue here. It was pure larva being a showman/cocky ass. showmanship at the expence of other people = being an idiot. He gets away doing that on his stream, because he plays against people who both know him personally and know his antics so it's not bm but rather silly banter. It's the same as why you don't play stupid jokes on complete strangers. You could clearly see Legend wasn't amused in the slightest.
so i take it everyone who is pissed at larva in this thread must despise firebathero as well huh? since fbh is the epitome of what larva just did to legend
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On December 04 2017 14:30 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2017 14:27 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
People are crybabies these days. They invited him so he is free to do what he wants in game. There's nothing against it. And if his opponent doesn't like it then he should win. Using your own logic, this is a forum, people are free to post what they want, they are free to criticize his actions and you're free to criticize theirs. You're also free to criticize this post FYI, I believe that's how it works.
I agree. I don't believe I ever denied that people are free to criticize his actions. However, I stand by my statement that they are crybabies.
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On December 04 2017 14:00 duke91 wrote:
oh please, the skill gap is so big that larva felt this tournament was a joke to begin with. Not his fault he couldnt take anyone seriously. Seriously some players were d+ level and i am not even memeing
why attend a joke of a tournament then? Oh right, there's a juicy prize on the line. You wanna get paid for what you're doing - behave professionally. Could you imagine Flash doing shit like that?
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On December 04 2017 14:48 juvenal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2017 14:34 jinjin5000 wrote:On December 04 2017 13:50 GGzerG wrote:On December 04 2017 13:42 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Btw maybe it's also a korea vs china rivalry thing going on here I was wondering this as well, but this was really super disrespectful IMO, I think it was moreso b/c of China vs Korea than anything... EDIT 1 : InControl looked super mad and it seemed pretty authentic, I can understand why if it was real. It was a really awesome cast, thanks for hosting it guys! Hope to see it again soon, I didn't realize that Larva was playing against all of the foreigners though? I thought it was just a showmatch between Legend and Larva lol, a given he'd win. =\ lol fuck off with your speculation. You don't know shit and you are trying to bring up race issue here. It was pure larva being a showman/cocky ass. showmanship at the expence of other people = being an idiot. He gets away doing that on his stream, because he plays against people who both know him personally and know his antics so it's not bm but rather silly banter. It's the same as why you don't play stupid jokes on complete strangers. You could clearly see Legend wasn't amused in the slightest.
Lx is a grown man. He can take it. If not then I suggest he wipe his tears with those money he just received.
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On December 04 2017 14:19 Song1 wrote:
Larva was actually pretty concerned about whether people were upset about it... he was asking if there was even a tiny fraction of the foreign fans that didnt like it.
he wanted to do it for foreign viewers cause he thought they liked stuff like that
well that's good on him then, but intentionally or not he still fucked it up.
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On December 04 2017 14:51 AsianEcksDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2017 14:48 juvenal wrote:On December 04 2017 14:34 jinjin5000 wrote:On December 04 2017 13:50 GGzerG wrote:On December 04 2017 13:42 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Btw maybe it's also a korea vs china rivalry thing going on here I was wondering this as well, but this was really super disrespectful IMO, I think it was moreso b/c of China vs Korea than anything... EDIT 1 : InControl looked super mad and it seemed pretty authentic, I can understand why if it was real. It was a really awesome cast, thanks for hosting it guys! Hope to see it again soon, I didn't realize that Larva was playing against all of the foreigners though? I thought it was just a showmatch between Legend and Larva lol, a given he'd win. =\ lol fuck off with your speculation. You don't know shit and you are trying to bring up race issue here. It was pure larva being a showman/cocky ass. showmanship at the expence of other people = being an idiot. He gets away doing that on his stream, because he plays against people who both know him personally and know his antics so it's not bm but rather silly banter. It's the same as why you don't play stupid jokes on complete strangers. You could clearly see Legend wasn't amused in the slightest. Lx is a grown man. He can take it. If not then I suggest he wipe his tears with those money he just received.
Everything you've said in this thread constitutes straw man arguments that are at best tangentially related to the issue at hand. "Lx can take it." "If Lx didn't like it, he should just win." Like what?
On December 04 2017 14:49 Siz)Beggar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2017 14:48 juvenal wrote:On December 04 2017 14:34 jinjin5000 wrote:On December 04 2017 13:50 GGzerG wrote:On December 04 2017 13:42 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Btw maybe it's also a korea vs china rivalry thing going on here I was wondering this as well, but this was really super disrespectful IMO, I think it was moreso b/c of China vs Korea than anything... EDIT 1 : InControl looked super mad and it seemed pretty authentic, I can understand why if it was real. It was a really awesome cast, thanks for hosting it guys! Hope to see it again soon, I didn't realize that Larva was playing against all of the foreigners though? I thought it was just a showmatch between Legend and Larva lol, a given he'd win. =\ lol fuck off with your speculation. You don't know shit and you are trying to bring up race issue here. It was pure larva being a showman/cocky ass. showmanship at the expence of other people = being an idiot. He gets away doing that on his stream, because he plays against people who both know him personally and know his antics so it's not bm but rather silly banter. It's the same as why you don't play stupid jokes on complete strangers. You could clearly see Legend wasn't amused in the slightest. so i take it everyone who is pissed at larva in this thread must despise firebathero as well huh? since fbh is the epitome of what larva just did to legend
This is legitimately confusing me. After-game ceremonies are the epitome of in-game playing with toes/leaning back/killing own units/etc.? Additionally, people who are "defending" Larva, like you, seem to be under the impression that those of us who found his antics disrespectful are "angry" or "pissed." That is, in my case at least, a significant exaggeration. I am merely giving my opinion of Larva's actions in a thread about the tournament he just played in.
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On December 04 2017 14:56 Ganfei2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2017 14:51 AsianEcksDragon wrote:On December 04 2017 14:48 juvenal wrote:On December 04 2017 14:34 jinjin5000 wrote:On December 04 2017 13:50 GGzerG wrote:On December 04 2017 13:42 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Btw maybe it's also a korea vs china rivalry thing going on here I was wondering this as well, but this was really super disrespectful IMO, I think it was moreso b/c of China vs Korea than anything... EDIT 1 : InControl looked super mad and it seemed pretty authentic, I can understand why if it was real. It was a really awesome cast, thanks for hosting it guys! Hope to see it again soon, I didn't realize that Larva was playing against all of the foreigners though? I thought it was just a showmatch between Legend and Larva lol, a given he'd win. =\ lol fuck off with your speculation. You don't know shit and you are trying to bring up race issue here. It was pure larva being a showman/cocky ass. showmanship at the expence of other people = being an idiot. He gets away doing that on his stream, because he plays against people who both know him personally and know his antics so it's not bm but rather silly banter. It's the same as why you don't play stupid jokes on complete strangers. You could clearly see Legend wasn't amused in the slightest. Lx is a grown man. He can take it. If not then I suggest he wipe his tears with those money he just received. Everything you've said in this thread constitutes a straw man arguments that are at best tangentially related to the issue at hand. "Lx can take it." "If Lx didn't like it, he should just win." Like what? Show nested quote +On December 04 2017 14:49 Siz)Beggar wrote:On December 04 2017 14:48 juvenal wrote:On December 04 2017 14:34 jinjin5000 wrote:On December 04 2017 13:50 GGzerG wrote:On December 04 2017 13:42 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Btw maybe it's also a korea vs china rivalry thing going on here I was wondering this as well, but this was really super disrespectful IMO, I think it was moreso b/c of China vs Korea than anything... EDIT 1 : InControl looked super mad and it seemed pretty authentic, I can understand why if it was real. It was a really awesome cast, thanks for hosting it guys! Hope to see it again soon, I didn't realize that Larva was playing against all of the foreigners though? I thought it was just a showmatch between Legend and Larva lol, a given he'd win. =\ lol fuck off with your speculation. You don't know shit and you are trying to bring up race issue here. It was pure larva being a showman/cocky ass. showmanship at the expence of other people = being an idiot. He gets away doing that on his stream, because he plays against people who both know him personally and know his antics so it's not bm but rather silly banter. It's the same as why you don't play stupid jokes on complete strangers. You could clearly see Legend wasn't amused in the slightest. so i take it everyone who is pissed at larva in this thread must despise firebathero as well huh? since fbh is the epitome of what larva just did to legend This is legitimately confusing me. After-game ceremonies are the epitome of in-game playing with toes/leaning back/killing own units/etc.? Additionally, people who are "defending" Larva, like you, seem to be under the impression that those of us who found his antics disrespectful are "angry" or "pissed." That is, in my case at least, a significant exaggeration. I am merely giving my opinion of Larva's actions in a thread about the tournament he just played in.
Agreed, I wouldnt say i am legitimately angry or pissed, more just dissapointed. Now Legend, He is fucking pissed. Can't say I blame him. He is beyoooond angry
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On December 04 2017 14:49 Siz)Beggar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2017 14:48 juvenal wrote:On December 04 2017 14:34 jinjin5000 wrote:On December 04 2017 13:50 GGzerG wrote:On December 04 2017 13:42 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Btw maybe it's also a korea vs china rivalry thing going on here I was wondering this as well, but this was really super disrespectful IMO, I think it was moreso b/c of China vs Korea than anything... EDIT 1 : InControl looked super mad and it seemed pretty authentic, I can understand why if it was real. It was a really awesome cast, thanks for hosting it guys! Hope to see it again soon, I didn't realize that Larva was playing against all of the foreigners though? I thought it was just a showmatch between Legend and Larva lol, a given he'd win. =\ lol fuck off with your speculation. You don't know shit and you are trying to bring up race issue here. It was pure larva being a showman/cocky ass. showmanship at the expence of other people = being an idiot. He gets away doing that on his stream, because he plays against people who both know him personally and know his antics so it's not bm but rather silly banter. It's the same as why you don't play stupid jokes on complete strangers. You could clearly see Legend wasn't amused in the slightest. so i take it everyone who is pissed at larva in this thread must despise firebathero as well huh? since fbh is the epitome of what larva just did to legend
FBH played in the italian esports open just a few weeks ago and he was never the least bit BM
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On December 04 2017 14:56 Ganfei2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2017 14:51 AsianEcksDragon wrote:On December 04 2017 14:48 juvenal wrote:On December 04 2017 14:34 jinjin5000 wrote:On December 04 2017 13:50 GGzerG wrote:On December 04 2017 13:42 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Btw maybe it's also a korea vs china rivalry thing going on here I was wondering this as well, but this was really super disrespectful IMO, I think it was moreso b/c of China vs Korea than anything... EDIT 1 : InControl looked super mad and it seemed pretty authentic, I can understand why if it was real. It was a really awesome cast, thanks for hosting it guys! Hope to see it again soon, I didn't realize that Larva was playing against all of the foreigners though? I thought it was just a showmatch between Legend and Larva lol, a given he'd win. =\ lol fuck off with your speculation. You don't know shit and you are trying to bring up race issue here. It was pure larva being a showman/cocky ass. showmanship at the expence of other people = being an idiot. He gets away doing that on his stream, because he plays against people who both know him personally and know his antics so it's not bm but rather silly banter. It's the same as why you don't play stupid jokes on complete strangers. You could clearly see Legend wasn't amused in the slightest. Lx is a grown man. He can take it. If not then I suggest he wipe his tears with those money he just received. Everything you've said in this thread constitutes a straw man arguments that are at best tangentially related to the issue at hand. "Lx can take it." "If Lx didn't like it, he should just win." Like what? Show nested quote +On December 04 2017 14:49 Siz)Beggar wrote:On December 04 2017 14:48 juvenal wrote:On December 04 2017 14:34 jinjin5000 wrote:On December 04 2017 13:50 GGzerG wrote:On December 04 2017 13:42 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Btw maybe it's also a korea vs china rivalry thing going on here I was wondering this as well, but this was really super disrespectful IMO, I think it was moreso b/c of China vs Korea than anything... EDIT 1 : InControl looked super mad and it seemed pretty authentic, I can understand why if it was real. It was a really awesome cast, thanks for hosting it guys! Hope to see it again soon, I didn't realize that Larva was playing against all of the foreigners though? I thought it was just a showmatch between Legend and Larva lol, a given he'd win. =\ lol fuck off with your speculation. You don't know shit and you are trying to bring up race issue here. It was pure larva being a showman/cocky ass. showmanship at the expence of other people = being an idiot. He gets away doing that on his stream, because he plays against people who both know him personally and know his antics so it's not bm but rather silly banter. It's the same as why you don't play stupid jokes on complete strangers. You could clearly see Legend wasn't amused in the slightest. so i take it everyone who is pissed at larva in this thread must despise firebathero as well huh? since fbh is the epitome of what larva just did to legend This is legitimately confusing me. After-game ceremonies are the epitome of in-game playing with toes/leaning back/killing own units/etc.? Additionally, people who are "defending" Larva, like you, seem to be under the impression that those of us who found his antics disrespectful are "angry" or "pissed." That is, in my case at least, a significant exaggeration. I am merely giving my opinion of Larva's actions in a thread about the tournament he just played in.
I'll be honest with you. I am still unsure of what the issue is. My best guess is that somebody's feeling was hurt. I'm not even trying to downplay it or anything but it's hard for me to believe that something like this can become such a huge controversy. If you think that I am out of touch then I think you may be right.
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I was simply disgusted. Starcraft is for fun, and I have no interest watching shit. If something looks like a shit, smells like a shit, I just stay away. If some other people like shit, or like to study whether it is really shit, it is certainly their freedom.
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On December 04 2017 15:03 AsianEcksDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2017 14:56 Ganfei2 wrote:On December 04 2017 14:51 AsianEcksDragon wrote:On December 04 2017 14:48 juvenal wrote:On December 04 2017 14:34 jinjin5000 wrote:On December 04 2017 13:50 GGzerG wrote:On December 04 2017 13:42 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Btw maybe it's also a korea vs china rivalry thing going on here I was wondering this as well, but this was really super disrespectful IMO, I think it was moreso b/c of China vs Korea than anything... EDIT 1 : InControl looked super mad and it seemed pretty authentic, I can understand why if it was real. It was a really awesome cast, thanks for hosting it guys! Hope to see it again soon, I didn't realize that Larva was playing against all of the foreigners though? I thought it was just a showmatch between Legend and Larva lol, a given he'd win. =\ lol fuck off with your speculation. You don't know shit and you are trying to bring up race issue here. It was pure larva being a showman/cocky ass. showmanship at the expence of other people = being an idiot. He gets away doing that on his stream, because he plays against people who both know him personally and know his antics so it's not bm but rather silly banter. It's the same as why you don't play stupid jokes on complete strangers. You could clearly see Legend wasn't amused in the slightest. Lx is a grown man. He can take it. If not then I suggest he wipe his tears with those money he just received. Everything you've said in this thread constitutes a straw man arguments that are at best tangentially related to the issue at hand. "Lx can take it." "If Lx didn't like it, he should just win." Like what? On December 04 2017 14:49 Siz)Beggar wrote:On December 04 2017 14:48 juvenal wrote:On December 04 2017 14:34 jinjin5000 wrote:On December 04 2017 13:50 GGzerG wrote:On December 04 2017 13:42 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Btw maybe it's also a korea vs china rivalry thing going on here I was wondering this as well, but this was really super disrespectful IMO, I think it was moreso b/c of China vs Korea than anything... EDIT 1 : InControl looked super mad and it seemed pretty authentic, I can understand why if it was real. It was a really awesome cast, thanks for hosting it guys! Hope to see it again soon, I didn't realize that Larva was playing against all of the foreigners though? I thought it was just a showmatch between Legend and Larva lol, a given he'd win. =\ lol fuck off with your speculation. You don't know shit and you are trying to bring up race issue here. It was pure larva being a showman/cocky ass. showmanship at the expence of other people = being an idiot. He gets away doing that on his stream, because he plays against people who both know him personally and know his antics so it's not bm but rather silly banter. It's the same as why you don't play stupid jokes on complete strangers. You could clearly see Legend wasn't amused in the slightest. so i take it everyone who is pissed at larva in this thread must despise firebathero as well huh? since fbh is the epitome of what larva just did to legend This is legitimately confusing me. After-game ceremonies are the epitome of in-game playing with toes/leaning back/killing own units/etc.? Additionally, people who are "defending" Larva, like you, seem to be under the impression that those of us who found his antics disrespectful are "angry" or "pissed." That is, in my case at least, a significant exaggeration. I am merely giving my opinion of Larva's actions in a thread about the tournament he just played in. I'll be honest with you. I am still unsure of what the issue is. My best guess is that somebody's feeling was hurt. I'm not even trying to downplay it or anything but it's hard for me to believe that something like this can become such a huge controversy. If you think that I am out of touch then I think you may be right.
Well Legend is sure as hell pissed
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On December 04 2017 14:35 AManHasNoName wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2017 14:29 NoS-Craig wrote:
Larva was trying to entertain the fans that's all. That's his thing to be entertaining and out there for us to enjoy. I like Larva Well said, I agree completely. I can say quite confidently that Larva's intentions were good. He wasn't trying to humiliate his opponent or disrespect him. He thought that foreign fans were likely to understand that and take is as fun goofs rather than serious disrespect. As evidenced by this thread, that's not the case for some. But, I enjoyed it and I was able to introduce some of my friends to Starcraft by having them watch the stream with me and they enjoyed it as well.
I am quite sure larva was trying to bring some funs for the viewers also. However as an adult and current well known player, larva should have thought about how LX might take consideration of this, even he did not mean to show disrespect. and as a result, LX has already expressed his angry by posting thread on his personal blog.
In my opnion,
cheese/weird strategy---ok
manner hatch in a 100% winning situation---ok
nuclear---not that good but still ok
playing with feet/cross hands/lying down --- totally bm
I hope someone is able to get to the official or larva directly and let larva know that LX does feel unhappy and larva can apologize for those bms.
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On December 04 2017 15:03 iamho wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2017 14:49 Siz)Beggar wrote:On December 04 2017 14:48 juvenal wrote:On December 04 2017 14:34 jinjin5000 wrote:On December 04 2017 13:50 GGzerG wrote:On December 04 2017 13:42 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Btw maybe it's also a korea vs china rivalry thing going on here I was wondering this as well, but this was really super disrespectful IMO, I think it was moreso b/c of China vs Korea than anything... EDIT 1 : InControl looked super mad and it seemed pretty authentic, I can understand why if it was real. It was a really awesome cast, thanks for hosting it guys! Hope to see it again soon, I didn't realize that Larva was playing against all of the foreigners though? I thought it was just a showmatch between Legend and Larva lol, a given he'd win. =\ lol fuck off with your speculation. You don't know shit and you are trying to bring up race issue here. It was pure larva being a showman/cocky ass. showmanship at the expence of other people = being an idiot. He gets away doing that on his stream, because he plays against people who both know him personally and know his antics so it's not bm but rather silly banter. It's the same as why you don't play stupid jokes on complete strangers. You could clearly see Legend wasn't amused in the slightest. so i take it everyone who is pissed at larva in this thread must despise firebathero as well huh? since fbh is the epitome of what larva just did to legend FBH played in the italian esports open just a few weeks ago and he was never the least bit BM
yes, he literally did his ceremony only after Gorynich asked him to do it
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In my opnion,
cheese/weird strategy---ok
manner hatch in a 100% winning situation---ok
nuclear---not that good but still ok
playing with feet/cross hands/lying down --- totally bm
I hope someone is able to get to the official or larva directly and let larva know that LX does feel unhappy and larva can apologize for those bms.
Yep, totally agree.
Plus, it's also bad for ZOTAC brand image here in China, they should think about it seriously, then communicate with Larva and apologize.
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He did something like this against Sea during WEGL semi's so it wasn't entirely unexpected
but it was bit too far when he continued to do it lol.
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Hey everyone!
Just getting on my flight home. I hope you all had fun. I think I coulda done a much better job observing but that’s just how it is I guess.
I know I missed like 2 major drops, that 2nd nuke (I swear I didn’t get prompted) and that Corsair/scourge moment.
I’ll have to try better! I know  but y’all supported me quite well when I poked my head into chat and so I thank you for that.
Cheers!
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