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[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6547 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-02 14:49:19
November 02 2017 14:47 GMT
#641
On November 02 2017 23:43 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 23:39 aiwekas wrote:
i think its stupid call firebathero who already win this tourn before start.gl hf

Going in with this attitude is why foreigners will never beat koreans. This is a LAN setting, no lag. If there's a perfect time for a foreigner to train and win it would be now.

Also I hope people are not this negative about my casting with Sayle, it's not very nice to Cadenza who is a) sick and b) doing imo a damn good job from the vods I saw yesterday.
what the hell re u talking about qikz?
how is possible that people that cant reach b- on iccup are always shit talking and spreading statements like this one lol
Burned Toast *
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada2040 Posts
November 02 2017 14:49 GMT
#642
That 2 ports into win in 5 mins was painful to watch...
TvT matchup is sometimes worse than jailtime
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
November 02 2017 14:52 GMT
#643
On November 02 2017 23:47 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 23:43 Qikz wrote:
On November 02 2017 23:39 aiwekas wrote:
i think its stupid call firebathero who already win this tourn before start.gl hf

Going in with this attitude is why foreigners will never beat koreans. This is a LAN setting, no lag. If there's a perfect time for a foreigner to train and win it would be now.

Also I hope people are not this negative about my casting with Sayle, it's not very nice to Cadenza who is a) sick and b) doing imo a damn good job from the vods I saw yesterday.
what the hell re u talking about qikz?
how is possible that people that cant reach b- on iccup are always shit talking and spreading statements like this one lol


I didn't mean anything horrible by the statement, but there's a lot of people who say foreigners can't beat koreans because of lag. There's no lag at a LAN.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6547 Posts
November 02 2017 14:54 GMT
#644
On November 02 2017 23:52 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 23:47 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
On November 02 2017 23:43 Qikz wrote:
On November 02 2017 23:39 aiwekas wrote:
i think its stupid call firebathero who already win this tourn before start.gl hf

Going in with this attitude is why foreigners will never beat koreans. This is a LAN setting, no lag. If there's a perfect time for a foreigner to train and win it would be now.

Also I hope people are not this negative about my casting with Sayle, it's not very nice to Cadenza who is a) sick and b) doing imo a damn good job from the vods I saw yesterday.
what the hell re u talking about qikz?
how is possible that people that cant reach b- on iccup are always shit talking and spreading statements like this one lol


I didn't mean anything horrible by the statement, but there's a lot of people who say foreigners can't beat koreans because of lag. There's no lag at a LAN.

there is a guy that lived in a pro house for 10 years training with the best players in the world everyday 12 + hours.again.what the hell re u talking about?
[AS]Rattus
Profile Joined March 2017
427 Posts
November 02 2017 14:55 GMT
#645
arent you complaining about koreans in general? not just about the ones that were in team houses?
HsDLTitich
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Italy830 Posts
November 02 2017 15:00 GMT
#646
On November 02 2017 22:17 [AS]Rattus wrote:
why did it have to start so early? its not like this tournament was hosted in russia or even outside europe.
Thx anyway ESL but please, more players/casted games and start later in the day, at least if its on a work day (if there is a) next time.


It's inside a comics convention and after a certain hour they get kicked out of the cathedral xd
I used to organize tournaments for ESL Italy and referee Go4SC2s, WCSs, and IEMs for ESL SC2.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6547 Posts
November 02 2017 15:00 GMT
#647
context matters.im sure if u invited a korean from ladder 3000 mmr u will be abble to watch good games in live stage.where online a terran player will obviously laughs at the zerg .but this is a waste of time arguing with low skill players viewers.any high lvl player will understand it.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
November 02 2017 15:03 GMT
#648
On November 03 2017 00:00 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
context matters.im sure if u invited a korean from ladder 3000 mmr u will be abble to watch good games in live stage.where online a terran player will obviously laughs at the zerg .but this is a waste of time arguing with low skill players viewers.any high lvl player will understand it.


Sorry for having an opinion eon. I'll be sure to increase my MMR next time I want to talk with anyone.

I wasn't trying to insult you or anyone else.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
[AS]Rattus
Profile Joined March 2017
427 Posts
November 02 2017 15:06 GMT
#649
damn, rushing for the "you dont get it" argument always wins
was too late again :[
Burned Toast *
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada2040 Posts
November 02 2017 15:10 GMT
#650
FBH going for nukes as he promised (to Koget and Sayle apparently) !
TvT matchup is sometimes worse than jailtime
Terrorbladder
Profile Joined May 2014
2717 Posts
November 02 2017 15:11 GMT
#651
lol, nukes
My dream is to fertilize two females at a time.
Burned Toast *
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada2040 Posts
November 02 2017 15:12 GMT
#652
Bases trade ! Nukes on one side, guardians on the other !
TvT matchup is sometimes worse than jailtime
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
November 02 2017 15:15 GMT
#653
On November 03 2017 00:03 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2017 00:00 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
context matters.im sure if u invited a korean from ladder 3000 mmr u will be abble to watch good games in live stage.where online a terran player will obviously laughs at the zerg .but this is a waste of time arguing with low skill players viewers.any high lvl player will understand it.


Sorry for having an opinion eon. I'll be sure to increase my MMR next time I want to talk with anyone.

I wasn't trying to insult you or anyone else.

He has a point, if you can't arbitrarily increase your skill, then what makes you think the top foreigners can? You can train for 2 weeks without dramatically increasing your skill level. You asking the top foreigner players to beat top level Koreans is like me asking you to beat top level foreigners, it just won't happen. Sure, you can train, but your opponent is also training... Yes, you have work and other commitments, so do top foreigners.

Compare this to foreigners vs Koreans... If eonzerg (or any other foreigner) went full time, he needs to close the skill gap against another player who is much better than him and who is already playing full time, improving their own skills against better opponents in a better environment (in the same environment it would be tough).

Why doesn't Scan qualify for ASL? - He simply isn't good enough, he can't arbitrarily increase his skill by sheer power of will... Expecting someone to do so is ridiculous, the progress is gradual, but you're competing against other players who are also progressing their skill.

I mean, if you're looking for that one-time snipe and not actually a level playing field, then that might be achievable, but it's kind of a silly goal.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Burned Toast *
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada2040 Posts
November 02 2017 15:15 GMT
#654
Flawless as usual from FBH
TvT matchup is sometimes worse than jailtime
_Animus_
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria1064 Posts
November 02 2017 15:16 GMT
#655
ok, next time dont invite koreans pls, that final was uncomfortable to watch.

I really didnt understand why gorynich tried to outplay FBH in standart game, seems like the worst thing he can do.
Luv ya BroodWar!
asel
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Germany1599 Posts
November 02 2017 15:17 GMT
#656
Just came home. What a demolition in the last game. Is the Draco - FBH series worth watching?
eSTRO for life | #3 Sea.Really fan! | GGoliath! | aeterna societas honoris | cbta~ | Flash makes Terran look like Toss | aka RevaL
TheRealNeMu
Profile Joined January 2013
Bulgaria48 Posts
November 02 2017 15:18 GMT
#657
Congrats to notforu and draco. Kinda predictable outcome of top3.
has left the game
greenelve
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1392 Posts
November 02 2017 15:18 GMT
#658
Do you guys miss WCG? I do...


On November 03 2017 00:17 asel wrote:
Just came home. What a demolition in the last game. Is the Draco - FBH series worth watching?

Yes, would say so.
z0r.de for your daily madness /// Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of men? The Shadow knows!
_Animus_
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria1064 Posts
November 02 2017 15:19 GMT
#659
OH WAIT i saw Sayle on TV :D
Luv ya BroodWar!
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1289 Posts
November 02 2017 15:23 GMT
#660
On November 03 2017 00:15 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2017 00:03 Qikz wrote:
On November 03 2017 00:00 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
context matters.im sure if u invited a korean from ladder 3000 mmr u will be abble to watch good games in live stage.where online a terran player will obviously laughs at the zerg .but this is a waste of time arguing with low skill players viewers.any high lvl player will understand it.


Sorry for having an opinion eon. I'll be sure to increase my MMR next time I want to talk with anyone.

I wasn't trying to insult you or anyone else.

He has a point, if you can't arbitrarily increase your skill, then what makes you think the top foreigners can? You can train for 2 weeks without dramatically increasing your skill level. You asking the top foreigner players to beat top level Koreans is like me asking you to beat top level foreigners, it just won't happen. Sure, you can train, but your opponent is also training... Yes, you have work and other commitments, so do top foreigners.

Compare this to foreigners vs Koreans... If eonzerg (or any other foreigner) went full time, he needs to close the skill gap against another player who is much better than him and who is already playing full time, improving their own skills against better opponents in a better environment (in the same environment it would be tough).

Why doesn't Scan qualify for ASL? - He simply isn't good enough, he can't arbitrarily increase his skill by sheer power of will... Expecting someone to do so is ridiculous, the progress is gradual, but you're competing against other players who are also progressing their skill.

I mean, if you're looking for that one-time snipe and not actually a level playing field, then that might be achievable, but it's kind of a silly goal.

LOL?

If i was in fbh's bracket for busan qualifiers, i wouldve done it just like fbh can. Dont bring up my name and talk about skills when you dont know much.
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
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