EPTOn September 11 2017 21:12 deathgod6 wrote:
to think I thought they learned enough Korean to translate haha
to think I thought they learned enough Korean to translate haha
lol maybe when those korean lessons pay off... :eyes:
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
lol maybe when those korean lessons pay off... :eyes: | ||
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reminisce12
Australia318 Posts
1. he killed all the tanks in the initial push even though he lost 2 nexiis, he had 2 left. 2. he had a good engagement in the second battle wiping out most of last's army, good storm and stasis. 3. last couldnt/didnt get a 4th up fast enough. | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3116 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10158 Posts
if TT1 is right and last only pushed with 1-0 in the end, then that was his losing mistake was not getting upgrades. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1707 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:10 epi wrote: Last was too sure of himself, I think, too certain he had the edge against Stork. Twice in the game he chose to wait and macro up harder and do a "safe" attack, and each time he did that he gave Stork too much breathing room. The cheeses in Stork's first two games may have contributed to that feeling, the idea that even Stork thought he had no chance in a straight up game. Intentional or not I think Last got mind-gamed. I agree. Top tier protosses know how to break pushes and win against maxed out T armies. You cant just max and then expect to roll them over like other Ps. Whether or not Stork's cheese affected Last we dont know yet, but he certainly acted like he could easily beat Stork straight up | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17727 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5220 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:06 GTR wrote: still the commander of excuses LOL Gotta love it. On September 11 2017 21:06 Aylear wrote: Someone please analyse that game in a writeup or something because Stork coming back after 1) Going Speed shuttle + Reaver and getting nothing done with either, and 2) Losing 2 Nexuses from Last pushing super hard is incredible to me. One thing I that for sure kept him in the game was the hero dark templar that killed off like 6 of Last's tanks right after Last killed Stork's third. I don't think Last scanned or noticed that DT there and that was crucial. Also, one other thing I noticed was that after killing Stork's 3rd Last went up to top with two vultures to block the 1 o'clock base's natural but he never went up the ramp to check the 1 o'clock. I think that he missed the fact that Stork already had the expansion up. Stork played with great pace this last match. Something I missed last season and in a couple of tough vT losses on his stream. | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:14 geod wrote: But he lost almost all his army in the counter attack killing basically nothing. It's just out of my mind!!! No he didnt, he was killing rallying vults and there was only 1 tank there | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:09 deathgod6 wrote: lol, most of the korean pros would probably rather play Stork than Last. That's like saying Shine is more talented than Bisu because he wins head to head. How is that even close to being related to what I've said? Last practices a lot, he is constantly one of the best player online, but Stork, similar to when he was playing on samsung khan, can be one of the best players without the need to heavily practice. He's just good at the game, despite all the mistakes. So yeah, ofc most pros would rather play Stork. And Shine isn't more talented than Bisu, I don't know how you got that from my original post. | ||
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:09 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote: I LB'd Stork. Yeah!! Well I knew Stork was still very much in it when I saw the supply count after Last killed 2 bases. They were close (Bad for P), but the tank count was gone. all of that was vultures. no threat to Stork. He just needed to not die for a while. What I didnt catch is How/why Last screwed up the initial PuSh. There was no Way Stork should have broken out of that contain. He shldve just taken a few tanks to kill the Middle base. He instaed took everything and allowed Stork to get out of his NaTuRal. Totally agree, Last should've split his tank force to kill the 3 o'clock. He led a bunch of tanks into an envelope instead. People have lost wars that way, you know. :D | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5220 Posts
He's running in the same place and shouting SONG BYUNG GU Hilarious, worth watching. http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/scv6256 | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28667 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:17 PVJ wrote: Gotta love it. One thing I that for sure kept him in the game was the hero dark templar that killed off like 6 of Last's tanks right after Last killed Stork's third. I don't think Last scanned or noticed that DT there and that was crucial. Also, one other thing I noticed was that after killing Stork's 3rd Last went up to top with two vultures to block the 1 o'clock base's natural but he never went up the ramp to check the 1 o'clock. I think that he missed the fact that Stork already had the expansion up. Stork played with great pace this last match. Something I missed last season and in a couple of tough vT losses on his stream. Watching it, I actually thought that part of the reason why Stork was committing to his attack with the goons against his natural, even after it looked like a losing play, was that he wanted to make sure Last kept focusing on his natural so he wouldn't scan the dt. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1707 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:17 FlaShFTW wrote: it definitely was last's game to lose. yes he lost his entire army but stork did lose two base mining for a considerable amount of time. if TT1 is right and last only pushed with 1-0 in the end, then that was his losing mistake was not getting upgrades. He was distance mining which is more effective than most expect. I thought it was very even after the initial push. If not a P advantage. Again, how Last managed to lose his entire army to a P that split his army and had the backstab group vaporized, I dont quite understand, he really underestimated stork then. He probably thought he already won. After that, if he really forgot upgrades then that was huge, but even if he didnt, it was going to be an uphill battle. Stork knows how to break pushes and trade units efficiently. Last stayed on 3 bases for too long. Maybe with upgrades he would have been able to hold the 4th and stabilize, but now we''ll never know... | ||
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:24 Liquid`Drone wrote: Watching it, I actually thought that part of the reason why Stork was committing to his attack with the goons against his natural, even after it looked like a losing play, was that he wanted to make sure Last kept focusing on his natural so he wouldn't scan the dt. Stork's play from then on out was stellar. He knew that Last's strength was in getting a good position, getting more expansions up, and just overwhelming Stork several minutes down the line when the loss of those Nexuses really kicked in. He wanted to trade off really quickly to prevent Last from moving out, and then when Last re-maxed and went for 9 o'clock, Stork moved in again to deny it, since it was Last's only hope at that point. Shaky start, but man did Stork pull it back. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:05 NasKe_ wrote: Are you out of the loop? 15 dollars for Remaster, it's been almost one month too. Great game by Stork. Love the way he moves around the map. Why hide the reaver tech but not the robo? I think Last saw the shuttle and knew it was drops. Oh thanks. Too much SC2 and noob at bw, forgive me already ok? :p | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5220 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:24 Liquid`Drone wrote: Watching it, I actually thought that part of the reason why Stork was committing to his attack with the goons against his natural, even after it looked like a losing play, was that he wanted to make sure Last kept focusing on his natural so he wouldn't scan the dt. That makes perfect sense. Even the observer focused on that attack so it's very plausible Last did the same and just switched back to see he had nothing left of his initial army. I would like to watch the replay to confirm but I also suspect he indeed missed out on Stork's 1 o'clock expo, when he placed down the mines there and just turned around, so he might have decided to not expand because he thought he was still ahead anyway. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10158 Posts
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GTR
51451 Posts
On September 11 2017 21:23 PVJ wrote: I'm not sure but Light might have lost a bet or something. He's running in the same place and shouting SONG BYUNG GU Hilarious, worth watching. http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/scv6256 rip headphone users | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5220 Posts
Then again, if this is the last thing I hear I'm happy to stay deaf forever. SONG BYUNG GU HWAITING! | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10158 Posts
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