The admins have asked for feedback about the map pool so I will go ahead.

Jade can be directly swapped with (4)Eddy
Circuit Breaker can be directly swapped with (4)Clay Fields
Fighting Spirit can be directly swapped with (4)Crown And Sceptre
Outsider, a quirky 3 player map, can be swapped with (3)Uzi Sara.

Eddy
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Clay Fields
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Crown And Sceptre
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Uzi Sara

Download Links
(4)Eddy http://www.panschk.de/mappage/comments.php?mapid=4674
(4)Clay Fields http://www.panschk.de/mappage/comments.php?mapid=4907
(4)Crown And Sceptre http://www.panschk.de/mappage/comments.php?mapid=4849
(3)Uzi Sara http://www.panschk.de/mappage/comments.php?mapid=4870

-Solid, satisfying, fun gameplay
-Modern balance
-Polished
-Points of interest (eg Eddy has 2 island expos, Clay Fields has egg blocked expos, Crown And Sceptre has double bridges)

Good to see a new tour, and ofcourse its your tour so you can do whatever you want.

Jukado

805 Posts

August 17 2017 12:15 GMT

#25

On August 17 2017 10:11 SchAmToo wrote:
It's literally the HaY map pool, which everyone praised so... People just being weird.
I'm a fan of it

Its not the same map pool, 2 out of 5 are different. Im not certain everyone praised it 100%. Personally I like that you are open to using some of the newer modern maps in 'have at you' (even though I dont necessarily actually like the ones that were chosen as much as others, but the maps that were chosen are ones being used by korean leagues so I understand why they were picked).
Thirdly I agree that .gypsy was being weird in the way he expressed his opinion. It was rude. He was the only person at that point to have spoken about maps like that, and you were only the 6th reply anyway.

There are some people that are bored of maps they consider to be old.
And there are those that may be a bit bored of maps they consider to be overplayed.
There are some people that prefer what they consider to be higher quality gameplay, balance and polish.
I dont necessarily personally fall into any of those groups, and I dont know if .gypsy is in any of them either, but I dont think people who are in any of those groups are weird.

But it has got to a point where there is definitely a fairly vocal group of people who dont love FS in tour map pools for example. And there are others that definitely arent big fans of Outsider due to balance. Ill add that there are still vocal people that do like one or both of these maps though aswell so its a choice. Some people dont find Crossing Fields (by Waldstein) or Camelot (by LatiAs) to be very inspiring. And I love many of the maps LatiAs has made but I think others of his are better. Hell I spent quite a bit of time personally editing Salamander (before it was called Salamander) because I liked it more than some other maps. And he has made edits to several of his maps based on our conversations with each other.
So I was saying I really like that you are open to using new maps, and it makes sense to use ones being used in korean tours. But I dont think the korean tours picked the best maps to use themselves in the first place. But generally if a tour uses a LatiAs map thats a win in my book so dont get me wrong, Im happy you used Camelot in some ways.

Also I want to point out that both 'have at you' and this tour are using Jade version 2.1 which is a hotfix version to improve mining done by Freakling. It shows you guys trust foreign mappers enough to use foreign fixed versions of korean maps. Well why not go all out and actually use foreign maps! You never know, you might just like them more.

Glioburd

France1911 Posts

August 17 2017 14:20 GMT

#26

Personally I love your maps suggestion Jukado. I'm super sick of FS and CB. There are tons of awesome maps which are never used.

[SCB]Terranos

Kazakhstan52 Posts

August 17 2017 15:44 GMT

#27

I wonder why Kazakhstan can not participate in this tournament? Kazakhstan is Eurasia as well as Turkey --

iG.Arcneon

Finland333 Posts

August 17 2017 16:49 GMT

#28

On August 17 2017 19:35 Sea[SR] wrote:
Koreans are banned ?

It seems everyone is banned. Rip tour :D

.gypsy

Canada689 Posts

August 17 2017 16:52 GMT

#29

The map pool is fine I guess though I don't understand the outsider obsession, I guess we have afreeca to blame for that, though I could understand the whole "something different" argument. (I guess I'd take outsider over monty hall or arkanoid any day)

I wish we could move on from this whole bluestorm trend and just play destination, match point, or even HBK.

Anyway I was being facetious this is a good initiative

more tournaments are always welcome.

TelecoM

United States10682 Posts

August 17 2017 17:19 GMT

#30

I've never played on any of those maps you suggested Jukado but they look really good, I'm down for whatever...glad ESL is back in BW Tournaments myself.

Sinistro

Brazil684 Posts

August 17 2017 19:43 GMT

#31

On August 17 2017 19:35 Sea[SR] wrote:
Koreans are banned ?

Not banned, that is not the word you are looking for, but this tournament is only for Europe.

On August 18 2017 00:44 [SCB]Terranos wrote:
I wonder why Kazakhstan can not participate in this tournament? Kazakhstan is Eurasia as well as Turkey --

Kazakhstan is not on Europe.

On August 17 2017 19:34 noob_saibot wrote:
Yea, I can't figure out how to enter my battle.net account. The button isn't clickable.

On August 17 2017 13:39 iG.Arcneon wrote:
Requirements
You are not ready

"You do not meet all of the tournament requirements."
wtf :D?
I wanna play, but i dont know how to sign up to this

I'm looking into this issue as reported by you guys, for now, can you try to use other browser and click on the register button to add your Battle.tag?

Also, please let me know in which browser you are currently trying (version too, if you know how to get that) so I can forward to ESL to get it fixed. If it is possible to do this:

Create a ticket by clicking on this link: https://play.eslgaming.com/starcraft/global/scr/open/1on1-remastered-cup-1-europe/support

Provide a screenshot of your browser, add the version you are using. Don't bother with the dropdown menus, just add a s subject and detail the issue (which browser and version it worked and it didn't), and I'll pass it on for ESL to get the issue fixed asap.

UPDATE: We applied some changes on our platform, the sign up should work without any issue now. If it still doesn't work, do create a ticket on the link above

For more support, please join us in the ESL SC Discord server: https://discord.gg/gt7KtMr

Sinistro

Brazil684 Posts

August 17 2017 19:51 GMT

#32

Jukado,

The maps are interesting to say the least, I can say more because I never played on those, and I have a request, do you have any replays of these maps being tested out by other players? If not replays, matches casted?

I can play on those a bit, but I'm far from the level of most of the BW players and I'll like to see more experienced hands giving them a go first. If the tournament didn't have prize at all, I would totally put the maps there, but since we have things for players to compete for, I will take the safer route.

[SCB]Terranos

Kazakhstan52 Posts

August 17 2017 20:24 GMT

#33

On August 18 2017 00:44 [SCB]Terranos wrote:
I wonder why Kazakhstan can not participate in this tournament? Kazakhstan is Eurasia as well as Turkey --

Kazakhstan is not on Europe.

I wonder why Turkey can take part and Kazakhstan does not. Turkey and Kazakhstan are partly located in Europe. And they are considered Eurasia

REDBLUEGREEN

Germany1904 Posts

August 17 2017 20:57 GMT

#34

On August 18 2017 04:43 Sinistro wrote:

Show nested quote +

Kazakhstan is not on Europe.

Northwestern Kazakhstan is west of the Ural and so in Europe. It's a small part of Kazakhstan but Kazakhstan is fucking huge so that's still more land in Europe than the size of the majority of European counties ^_^