• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 10:53
CET 16:53
KST 00:53
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview12Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win1RSL Season 4 announced for March-April5Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win3Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview StarCraft 2 Not at the Esports World Cup 2026 Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 28 RSL Season 4 announced for March-April $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) KSL Week 85 OSC Season 13 World Championship
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Potential Map Candidates Can someone share very abbreviated BW cliffnotes? Liquipedia.net NEEDS editors for Brood War BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10
Strategy
Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Path of Exile Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Play, Watch, Drink: Esports …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2892 users

[ASL3] Ro8 Mong vs Shine - Page 13

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 15 19 Next All
reminisce12
Profile Joined March 2012
Australia318 Posts
May 16 2017 11:50 GMT
#241
i remembr the hidden base/nydus strat shine did b4 to flash and won
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
May 16 2017 11:51 GMT
#242
On May 16 2017 20:49 Arrian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:45 Essbee wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:42 Arrian wrote:
That was too much fun. Shine has to get past Bisu and probably Flash to walk the royal road, but what a story that would be.


Man, I think Flash is wayyyyy above Mong and give Shine almost no chance if he ever gets to face Flash but if he prepares some other sick strats and keep surprising everyone with innovative and solid play, and gets to win even just a game or two, that would be absolutely awesome. I'm counting on soulkey and shine at the moment for zvt.



I don't give him much of a chance either. Flash wouldn't make the mistakes Mong did, and I kinda feel like Shine showed too much if he wants to get past Flash. That said, anything can happen, and if it did, I'm coming out of writing retirement to put that story down. He's had a really crazy run this ASL, and beating Bisu and Flash to finish it off would make it an all-time underdog story.


Very well said, I did think the same about the "I kinda feel like Shine showed too much if he wants to get past Flash", that's why that would be an exploit, to say the least. I think you said it better with "I'm coming out of writing retirement to put that story down". That about sums it up!
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10286 Posts
May 16 2017 11:52 GMT
#243
On May 16 2017 20:50 hitthat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Essbee wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Jacenoob wrote:
ok I take it back, TvZ is balanced if the T side is a complete and utter idiot


"Joined August 2014"

What does it matter when a person joined? Don't be a BW elitist snob over a joining date lol.


Some people still believe that TL was the center of foreign BW since ever Xd

are you implying it wasnt?

which other place was a contender for "center"
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-16 11:54:48
May 16 2017 11:53 GMT
#244
On May 16 2017 20:50 hitthat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Essbee wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Jacenoob wrote:
ok I take it back, TvZ is balanced if the T side is a complete and utter idiot


"Joined August 2014"

What does it matter when a person joined? Don't be a BW elitist snob over a joining date lol.


Some people still believe that TL was the center of foreign BW since ever Xd


I never claimed this, but someone complaining about bw balance should prove my point without me having to say anything.

With a signature like "Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.", you should know better.
mcmascote
Profile Joined September 2004
Brazil1575 Posts
May 16 2017 11:53 GMT
#245
On May 16 2017 19:35 Arvendilin wrote:
How great would it be if SHINE ended this series with a proxy Nydus?

That would be my personal fanfiction lol

OMG. I'm just reading the thread after watching the games so I wouldn't get spoiled and then I see this on page 2.

What kind of Wizard are you mate?
The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50612 Posts
May 16 2017 11:54 GMT
#246
On May 16 2017 20:52 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:50 hitthat wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Essbee wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Jacenoob wrote:
ok I take it back, TvZ is balanced if the T side is a complete and utter idiot


"Joined August 2014"

What does it matter when a person joined? Don't be a BW elitist snob over a joining date lol.


Some people still believe that TL was the center of foreign BW since ever Xd

are you implying it wasnt?

which other place was a contender for "center"


ggnet(or scgamers)
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
May 16 2017 11:54 GMT
#247
On May 16 2017 20:52 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:50 hitthat wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Essbee wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Jacenoob wrote:
ok I take it back, TvZ is balanced if the T side is a complete and utter idiot


"Joined August 2014"

What does it matter when a person joined? Don't be a BW elitist snob over a joining date lol.


Some people still believe that TL was the center of foreign BW since ever Xd

are you implying it wasnt?

which other place was a contender for "center"

uhhh ever heard of a little place called gosugamers??
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19305 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-16 11:56:10
May 16 2017 11:55 GMT
#248
My prediction is that if Shine has to use the bathroom when his games versus Bisu start then he will win. #ToiletZerg
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
May 16 2017 11:58 GMT
#249
On May 16 2017 20:39 BisuDagger wrote:
That was poor by Mong. When Bonyth was playing versus FBH he straight up killed the neutral buildings so tank drops couldn't harass his natural later in the game. If you don't kill the neutral buildings you MUST keep an eye on it. Mong deserved to lose that map after making such a rookie mistake unfortunately. That said, Shine played brilliantly in this series and in that game.


Lol, no. Don't compare PvT with TvZ. With terran in this critical period of the game you just don't go "oh i better defend against the fastest possible drone drop into proxy hatch nydus". Terran focuses on denying muta harrass/denying third/containing zerg/defending against lurk/lings.
Enjoy the game
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
May 16 2017 11:58 GMT
#250
On May 16 2017 20:40 Essbee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Essbee wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Jacenoob wrote:
ok I take it back, TvZ is balanced if the T side is a complete and utter idiot


"Joined August 2014"

What does it matter when a person joined? Don't be a BW elitist snob over a joining date lol.


People who complain about bw balance are people who has been watching bw for a few months, so yeah I am going to be a bw elitist snob, sorry about that.

On May 16 2017 20:42 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:37 Jacenoob wrote:
ok I take it back, TvZ is balanced if the T side is a complete and utter idiot

134 posts and joined in 2014. lol.

how much brood war have you watched again?

Disgusting attitude. I mean the creepiest thing got to be that someone has bothered to look up somebody's join date.
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
May 16 2017 12:02 GMT
#251
Jacenoob. Hope that guy is a troll.
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19305 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-16 12:02:53
May 16 2017 12:02 GMT
#252
On May 16 2017 20:58 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:39 BisuDagger wrote:
That was poor by Mong. When Bonyth was playing versus FBH he straight up killed the neutral buildings so tank drops couldn't harass his natural later in the game. If you don't kill the neutral buildings you MUST keep an eye on it. Mong deserved to lose that map after making such a rookie mistake unfortunately. That said, Shine played brilliantly in this series and in that game.


Lol, no. Don't compare PvT with TvZ. With terran in this critical period of the game you just don't go "oh i better defend against the fastest possible drone drop into proxy hatch nydus". Terran focuses on denying muta harrass/denying third/containing zerg/defending against lurk/lings.

That's not what I meant, but I see your point. It's more of, this is a map with a tricky spot right above your natural that can make you very vulnerable. Check on it periodically (Science Vessels) or put a building (turret) up there.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
czechue
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland13 Posts
May 16 2017 12:02 GMT
#253
Hehe now I wonder how Bisu will counter his natural counter - Shine

WB guys, it's nice to be here in 2017 and comment BW again.
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-16 12:03:11
May 16 2017 12:02 GMT
#254
On May 16 2017 20:58 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:40 Essbee wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Essbee wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Jacenoob wrote:
ok I take it back, TvZ is balanced if the T side is a complete and utter idiot


"Joined August 2014"

What does it matter when a person joined? Don't be a BW elitist snob over a joining date lol.


People who complain about bw balance are people who has been watching bw for a few months, so yeah I am going to be a bw elitist snob, sorry about that.

Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:42 FlaShFTW wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Jacenoob wrote:
ok I take it back, TvZ is balanced if the T side is a complete and utter idiot

134 posts and joined in 2014. lol.

how much brood war have you watched again?

Disgusting attitude. I mean the creepiest thing got to be that someone has bothered to look up somebody's join date.

Tbf it's just a mouse hover about the username. Using it as an argument is silly tho.
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
Esp1noza
Profile Joined September 2003
Russian Federation481 Posts
May 16 2017 12:03 GMT
#255
I don't even know now who I love more - Soulkey or Shine.
BroodWar forever
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
May 16 2017 12:03 GMT
#256
On May 16 2017 21:03 Esp1noza wrote:
I don't even know now who I love more - Soulkey or Shine.

BeSt obviously
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50612 Posts
May 16 2017 12:06 GMT
#257
On May 16 2017 20:58 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:40 Essbee wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Essbee wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Jacenoob wrote:
ok I take it back, TvZ is balanced if the T side is a complete and utter idiot


"Joined August 2014"

What does it matter when a person joined? Don't be a BW elitist snob over a joining date lol.


People who complain about bw balance are people who has been watching bw for a few months, so yeah I am going to be a bw elitist snob, sorry about that.

Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:42 FlaShFTW wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Jacenoob wrote:
ok I take it back, TvZ is balanced if the T side is a complete and utter idiot

134 posts and joined in 2014. lol.

how much brood war have you watched again?

Disgusting attitude. I mean the creepiest thing got to be that someone has bothered to look up somebody's join date.


its not that hard to look up someones join date, you just hover your mouse over their name, also its usually a pretty decent way of telling how much they've followed/been involved.

theres a lot of shaming of balance whiners in these parts in general(theres a difference between whining and attempting to discuss a solution).
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2311 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-16 12:16:09
May 16 2017 12:07 GMT
#258
On May 16 2017 20:52 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:50 hitthat wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Essbee wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Jacenoob wrote:
ok I take it back, TvZ is balanced if the T side is a complete and utter idiot


"Joined August 2014"

What does it matter when a person joined? Don't be a BW elitist snob over a joining date lol.


Some people still believe that TL was the center of foreign BW since ever Xd

are you implying it wasnt?

which other place was a contender for "center"


There were some condenders, that in early days had no less BW players (gosugamers, iccup) Netwars for polish BW scene - one of the bigger and better organised - seen the TL as the site for the North Americans f.e. I expect that chineese had some too before they switch to WarCraft 3). If you read some of the old BW pages here in TL, you would see they are not even that long as F.E. in 2010.

Before Netwars became SC2 heaven I didnt cared about TL. I was wrong, sorry TL <3
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
May 16 2017 12:09 GMT
#259
On May 16 2017 20:37 c3rberUs wrote:
A drop of sweat forms on Bisu's forehead.


His knees weak, palms sweaty
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
May 16 2017 12:17 GMT
#260
On May 16 2017 20:49 Essbee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:46 BigFan wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:45 Essbee wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:42 Arrian wrote:
That was too much fun. Shine has to get past Bisu and probably Flash to walk the royal road, but what a story that would be.


Man, I think Flash is wayyyyy above Mong and give Shine almost no chance if he ever gets to face Flash but if he prepares some other sick strats and keep surprising everyone with innovative and solid play, and gets to win even just a game or two, that would be absolutely awesome. I'm counting on soulkey and shine at the moment for zvt.

agree. His build against Flash on Camelot was great, Flash is just really sick at defending and even he was forced to lift his main and evacuate for a while.


Was this on stream? I can't recall seeing flash play on camelot recently haha.


StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 15 19 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 9h 7m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Rex 106
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 6513
Sea 5975
Shuttle 2186
Bisu 1697
Horang2 1361
Flash 1181
Hyuk 804
EffOrt 616
Stork 516
GuemChi 455
[ Show more ]
BeSt 348
Mini 304
Soulkey 245
firebathero 242
actioN 235
Snow 184
ggaemo 183
hero 145
Sharp 117
Hyun 110
Sea.KH 83
Mong 74
Aegong 62
Barracks 43
Yoon 37
ToSsGirL 37
Free 34
Killer 34
Shine 20
Backho 20
JYJ 20
Shinee 17
Hm[arnc] 16
Terrorterran 15
SilentControl 14
scan(afreeca) 13
yabsab 12
HiyA 11
Sacsri 10
ajuk12(nOOB) 7
Dota 2
singsing3627
qojqva1776
Dendi589
BananaSlamJamma131
febbydoto6
Counter-Strike
fl0m2931
zeus1211
byalli1184
edward109
kRYSTAL_26
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King71
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi1738
Grubby773
hiko723
crisheroes246
Fuzer 230
Hui .210
QueenE120
Sick111
TKL 104
ArmadaUGS40
KnowMe20
DeMusliM5
B2W.Neo0
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 11
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 90
• iHatsuTV 21
• LUISG 19
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota262
League of Legends
• Nemesis11025
• TFBlade1368
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
9h 7m
WardiTV Invitational
20h 7m
Replay Cast
1d 8h
The PondCast
1d 18h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 20h
Replay Cast
2 days
RongYI Cup
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-02
HSC XXVIII
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Rongyi Cup S3
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W7
Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.