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reminisce12
Profile Joined March 2012
Australia318 Posts
May 16 2017 11:50 GMT
#241
i remembr the hidden base/nydus strat shine did b4 to flash and won
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
May 16 2017 11:51 GMT
#242
On May 16 2017 20:49 Arrian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:45 Essbee wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:42 Arrian wrote:
That was too much fun. Shine has to get past Bisu and probably Flash to walk the royal road, but what a story that would be.


Man, I think Flash is wayyyyy above Mong and give Shine almost no chance if he ever gets to face Flash but if he prepares some other sick strats and keep surprising everyone with innovative and solid play, and gets to win even just a game or two, that would be absolutely awesome. I'm counting on soulkey and shine at the moment for zvt.



I don't give him much of a chance either. Flash wouldn't make the mistakes Mong did, and I kinda feel like Shine showed too much if he wants to get past Flash. That said, anything can happen, and if it did, I'm coming out of writing retirement to put that story down. He's had a really crazy run this ASL, and beating Bisu and Flash to finish it off would make it an all-time underdog story.


Very well said, I did think the same about the "I kinda feel like Shine showed too much if he wants to get past Flash", that's why that would be an exploit, to say the least. I think you said it better with "I'm coming out of writing retirement to put that story down". That about sums it up!
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10127 Posts
May 16 2017 11:52 GMT
#243
On May 16 2017 20:50 hitthat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Essbee wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Jacenoob wrote:
ok I take it back, TvZ is balanced if the T side is a complete and utter idiot


"Joined August 2014"

What does it matter when a person joined? Don't be a BW elitist snob over a joining date lol.


Some people still believe that TL was the center of foreign BW since ever Xd

are you implying it wasnt?

which other place was a contender for "center"
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
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Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-16 11:54:48
May 16 2017 11:53 GMT
#244
On May 16 2017 20:50 hitthat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Essbee wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Jacenoob wrote:
ok I take it back, TvZ is balanced if the T side is a complete and utter idiot


"Joined August 2014"

What does it matter when a person joined? Don't be a BW elitist snob over a joining date lol.


Some people still believe that TL was the center of foreign BW since ever Xd


I never claimed this, but someone complaining about bw balance should prove my point without me having to say anything.

With a signature like "Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.", you should know better.
mcmascote
Profile Joined September 2004
Brazil1575 Posts
May 16 2017 11:53 GMT
#245
On May 16 2017 19:35 Arvendilin wrote:
How great would it be if SHINE ended this series with a proxy Nydus?

That would be my personal fanfiction lol

OMG. I'm just reading the thread after watching the games so I wouldn't get spoiled and then I see this on page 2.

What kind of Wizard are you mate?
The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
May 16 2017 11:54 GMT
#246
On May 16 2017 20:52 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:50 hitthat wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Essbee wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Jacenoob wrote:
ok I take it back, TvZ is balanced if the T side is a complete and utter idiot


"Joined August 2014"

What does it matter when a person joined? Don't be a BW elitist snob over a joining date lol.


Some people still believe that TL was the center of foreign BW since ever Xd

are you implying it wasnt?

which other place was a contender for "center"


ggnet(or scgamers)
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
May 16 2017 11:54 GMT
#247
On May 16 2017 20:52 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:50 hitthat wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Essbee wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Jacenoob wrote:
ok I take it back, TvZ is balanced if the T side is a complete and utter idiot


"Joined August 2014"

What does it matter when a person joined? Don't be a BW elitist snob over a joining date lol.


Some people still believe that TL was the center of foreign BW since ever Xd

are you implying it wasnt?

which other place was a contender for "center"

uhhh ever heard of a little place called gosugamers??
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19225 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-16 11:56:10
May 16 2017 11:55 GMT
#248
My prediction is that if Shine has to use the bathroom when his games versus Bisu start then he will win. #ToiletZerg
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
May 16 2017 11:58 GMT
#249
On May 16 2017 20:39 BisuDagger wrote:
That was poor by Mong. When Bonyth was playing versus FBH he straight up killed the neutral buildings so tank drops couldn't harass his natural later in the game. If you don't kill the neutral buildings you MUST keep an eye on it. Mong deserved to lose that map after making such a rookie mistake unfortunately. That said, Shine played brilliantly in this series and in that game.


Lol, no. Don't compare PvT with TvZ. With terran in this critical period of the game you just don't go "oh i better defend against the fastest possible drone drop into proxy hatch nydus". Terran focuses on denying muta harrass/denying third/containing zerg/defending against lurk/lings.
Enjoy the game
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
May 16 2017 11:58 GMT
#250
On May 16 2017 20:40 Essbee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Essbee wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Jacenoob wrote:
ok I take it back, TvZ is balanced if the T side is a complete and utter idiot


"Joined August 2014"

What does it matter when a person joined? Don't be a BW elitist snob over a joining date lol.


People who complain about bw balance are people who has been watching bw for a few months, so yeah I am going to be a bw elitist snob, sorry about that.

On May 16 2017 20:42 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:37 Jacenoob wrote:
ok I take it back, TvZ is balanced if the T side is a complete and utter idiot

134 posts and joined in 2014. lol.

how much brood war have you watched again?

Disgusting attitude. I mean the creepiest thing got to be that someone has bothered to look up somebody's join date.
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
May 16 2017 12:02 GMT
#251
Jacenoob. Hope that guy is a troll.
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19225 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-16 12:02:53
May 16 2017 12:02 GMT
#252
On May 16 2017 20:58 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:39 BisuDagger wrote:
That was poor by Mong. When Bonyth was playing versus FBH he straight up killed the neutral buildings so tank drops couldn't harass his natural later in the game. If you don't kill the neutral buildings you MUST keep an eye on it. Mong deserved to lose that map after making such a rookie mistake unfortunately. That said, Shine played brilliantly in this series and in that game.


Lol, no. Don't compare PvT with TvZ. With terran in this critical period of the game you just don't go "oh i better defend against the fastest possible drone drop into proxy hatch nydus". Terran focuses on denying muta harrass/denying third/containing zerg/defending against lurk/lings.

That's not what I meant, but I see your point. It's more of, this is a map with a tricky spot right above your natural that can make you very vulnerable. Check on it periodically (Science Vessels) or put a building (turret) up there.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
czechue
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland13 Posts
May 16 2017 12:02 GMT
#253
Hehe now I wonder how Bisu will counter his natural counter - Shine

WB guys, it's nice to be here in 2017 and comment BW again.
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-16 12:03:11
May 16 2017 12:02 GMT
#254
On May 16 2017 20:58 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:40 Essbee wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Essbee wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Jacenoob wrote:
ok I take it back, TvZ is balanced if the T side is a complete and utter idiot


"Joined August 2014"

What does it matter when a person joined? Don't be a BW elitist snob over a joining date lol.


People who complain about bw balance are people who has been watching bw for a few months, so yeah I am going to be a bw elitist snob, sorry about that.

Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:42 FlaShFTW wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Jacenoob wrote:
ok I take it back, TvZ is balanced if the T side is a complete and utter idiot

134 posts and joined in 2014. lol.

how much brood war have you watched again?

Disgusting attitude. I mean the creepiest thing got to be that someone has bothered to look up somebody's join date.

Tbf it's just a mouse hover about the username. Using it as an argument is silly tho.
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
Esp1noza
Profile Joined September 2003
Russian Federation481 Posts
May 16 2017 12:03 GMT
#255
I don't even know now who I love more - Soulkey or Shine.
BroodWar forever
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
May 16 2017 12:03 GMT
#256
On May 16 2017 21:03 Esp1noza wrote:
I don't even know now who I love more - Soulkey or Shine.

BeSt obviously
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
May 16 2017 12:06 GMT
#257
On May 16 2017 20:58 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:40 Essbee wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Essbee wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Jacenoob wrote:
ok I take it back, TvZ is balanced if the T side is a complete and utter idiot


"Joined August 2014"

What does it matter when a person joined? Don't be a BW elitist snob over a joining date lol.


People who complain about bw balance are people who has been watching bw for a few months, so yeah I am going to be a bw elitist snob, sorry about that.

Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:42 FlaShFTW wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Jacenoob wrote:
ok I take it back, TvZ is balanced if the T side is a complete and utter idiot

134 posts and joined in 2014. lol.

how much brood war have you watched again?

Disgusting attitude. I mean the creepiest thing got to be that someone has bothered to look up somebody's join date.


its not that hard to look up someones join date, you just hover your mouse over their name, also its usually a pretty decent way of telling how much they've followed/been involved.

theres a lot of shaming of balance whiners in these parts in general(theres a difference between whining and attempting to discuss a solution).
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2266 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-16 12:16:09
May 16 2017 12:07 GMT
#258
On May 16 2017 20:52 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:50 hitthat wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Essbee wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:37 Jacenoob wrote:
ok I take it back, TvZ is balanced if the T side is a complete and utter idiot


"Joined August 2014"

What does it matter when a person joined? Don't be a BW elitist snob over a joining date lol.


Some people still believe that TL was the center of foreign BW since ever Xd

are you implying it wasnt?

which other place was a contender for "center"


There were some condenders, that in early days had no less BW players (gosugamers, iccup) Netwars for polish BW scene - one of the bigger and better organised - seen the TL as the site for the North Americans f.e. I expect that chineese had some too before they switch to WarCraft 3). If you read some of the old BW pages here in TL, you would see they are not even that long as F.E. in 2010.

Before Netwars became SC2 heaven I didnt cared about TL. I was wrong, sorry TL <3
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
May 16 2017 12:09 GMT
#259
On May 16 2017 20:37 c3rberUs wrote:
A drop of sweat forms on Bisu's forehead.


His knees weak, palms sweaty
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
May 16 2017 12:17 GMT
#260
On May 16 2017 20:49 Essbee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 20:46 BigFan wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:45 Essbee wrote:
On May 16 2017 20:42 Arrian wrote:
That was too much fun. Shine has to get past Bisu and probably Flash to walk the royal road, but what a story that would be.


Man, I think Flash is wayyyyy above Mong and give Shine almost no chance if he ever gets to face Flash but if he prepares some other sick strats and keep surprising everyone with innovative and solid play, and gets to win even just a game or two, that would be absolutely awesome. I'm counting on soulkey and shine at the moment for zvt.

agree. His build against Flash on Camelot was great, Flash is just really sick at defending and even he was forced to lift his main and evacuate for a while.


Was this on stream? I can't recall seeing flash play on camelot recently haha.


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