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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
AfreecaTV (FlashFTW and EsportsJohn) Twitch TV (Tasteless and Artosis) ASL Youtube Channel with both English and Korean Stream | ||
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
Going to be a good day  . | ||
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Piste
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predictions: Sea>effort Bisu>Soulkey Bisu>Sea effort>soulkey Sea>effort | ||
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RAPiDCasting
Korea (South)594 Posts
I'd love to see effOrt advancing after really stepping up his game lately, and the same for Soulkey given his performance in the ASL Team Battle, but my head says Sea & Bisu make it out. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
That said, we are set for a fantastic series with some of the strongest guys in the tour, hopefully we get some quality games to match! | ||
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outscar
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On May 02 2017 12:49 Piste wrote: Such a monster group. predictions: Sea>effort Bisu>Soulkey Bisu>Sea effort>soulkey Sea>effort Something like this seems all too probable. I'm going to dream we get something that looks more like this: Sea < EffOrt Bisu > Soulkey EffOrt > Bisu Soulkey > Sea Soulkey > Bisu A man can dream, right? | ||
BigFan
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EsportsJohn
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BigFan
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On May 02 2017 13:42 EsportsJohn wrote: I wouldn't write effOrt off. His live matches do sometimes disappoint, but if he plays even a fraction as well as he does on stream, I'm pretty certain he's going to crush Sea. He's been smashing 5rax all week with pure muta/ling and 400+ apm. ya, not to underestimate Sea of course but EffOrt is more favourable imo even with the whole 5 rax going around. | ||
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
On May 02 2017 14:08 Zera wrote: Don't underestimate Soulkey either. The kid can be a monster when it really matters. Team League finals anyone? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/521951-asl3-ro16-preview-pt-1-easy-way-hard-way | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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Ziggy
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valaki
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SCC-Faust
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Ej_
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PVJ
Hungary5214 Posts
I think with the incredible win rate Bisu posted for April he'll be through in the 1st place. It's hard to bet on who'll come after him, but I'll go with Soulkey. Woongjin never dies. | ||
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ionONE
Germany605 Posts
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Burned Toast
Canada2040 Posts
On May 02 2017 13:42 EsportsJohn wrote: I wouldn't write effOrt off. His live matches do sometimes disappoint, but if he plays even a fraction as well as he does on stream, I'm pretty certain he's going to crush Sea. He's been smashing 5rax all week with pure muta/ling and 400+ apm. I agree. Effort is practicing like a beast... all my money on him. | ||
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On May 02 2017 18:27 ionONE wrote: Stream is going to be twitch.tv/gsl. Blahhhhh why do they keep changing it. OP updated with the proper stream. | ||
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Piste
6174 Posts
On May 02 2017 13:08 L_Master wrote: Something like this seems all too probable. I'm going to dream we get something that looks more like this: Sea < EffOrt Bisu > Soulkey EffOrt > Bisu Soulkey > Sea Soulkey > Bisu A man can dream, right? Your dreams are upsetting me ;( Bisu must advance. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10421 Posts
Don't forget to tell your friends about this, share the stream, share the replays. BW is only going to stay alive if we keep it alive. | ||
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nojok
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GTR
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Burned Toast
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Morbidius
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Ej_
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On May 02 2017 19:04 GTR wrote: what's with the intro with everyone awkwardly staring at each other esports | ||
TheNewEra
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BigFan
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On May 02 2017 19:07 BigFan wrote: Let's get hyped! :D Get? | ||
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TheNewEra
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Piste
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Morbidius
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Burned Toast
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On May 02 2017 19:10 Piste wrote: Why doesnt the stream links show below "live events"? I can only see romarior's stream link. good question, they changed streams so we're working on getting it fixed. | ||
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quirinus
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Ej_
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Morbidius
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3809 Posts
Let's see if effort proves that right | ||
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BigFan
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Ej_
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Ej_
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
On May 02 2017 19:23 Ej_ wrote: haha is effOrt doing the hatchery/nydus thing Hyun was trying to do? Overmind must have shared this strategy with multiple Cerebrates | ||
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3809 Posts
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
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RHoudini
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sertas
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Keniji
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3809 Posts
On May 02 2017 19:20 BigFan wrote: interesting, effort going straight hive with that island expansion. Kinda like HyuN tried to do but different. Hyun went straight hive too didn't he? I didn't rewatch the game but he completely skipped lurk tech from what I remember | ||
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Ramiz1989
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Quality play. And Scourges placement was almost perfect. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6546 Posts
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BigFan
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
On May 02 2017 19:27 Keniji wrote: didn't even need the ultralisk he was banking gas for. First time I saw a zerg going crazy zerg and winning before ultras even came out... | ||
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3809 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On May 02 2017 19:27 ShloobeR wrote: Hyun went straight hive too didn't he? I didn't rewatch the game but he completely skipped lurk tech from what I remember Yeah, I think they played the exact same build. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10421 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On May 02 2017 19:27 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: How can u not be an effort fan after watching this? This guy is the best zerg ever Not ever, but still one of the better ones. | ||
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Abjurer
Sweden207 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On May 02 2017 19:27 ShloobeR wrote: Hyun went straight hive too didn't he? I didn't rewatch the game but he completely skipped lurk tech from what I remember I think so? I mostly liked the fact that it seems like the Zergs are working together behind the scene for "new" builds. EffOrt is best Zerg atm imo. Jaedong still has a way to go. | ||
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outscar
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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zion
Belgium31 Posts
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HalcyonRain
United States124 Posts
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Starecat
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Lachrymose
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Epithet
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mataxp
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Ej_
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Epithet
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
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Ubersturmfuhrer
Finland206 Posts
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BigFan
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gngfn
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1707 Posts
urrgghhh... bisu... what the... | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On May 02 2017 19:45 Ubersturmfuhrer wrote: ugh hydra bust seems just too powerful in ZvP. Was hoping we could avoid ZvZ today. No scouting with corsairs about hydra bust, and greedy 3rd base with only one cannon | ||
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
On May 02 2017 15:07 BLinD-RawR wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/521951-asl3-ro16-preview-pt-1-easy-way-hard-way I am so ready to throw some verbal rocks at you  | ||
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Starecat
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19225 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5214 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10421 Posts
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outscar
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Terrorbladder
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Meanwhile last ASL finalist and Bisu fight for elimination :thinking: | ||
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On May 02 2017 19:46 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote: oh man!!! i shouldn't have prematurely voted yes in the recommended game poll... urrgghhh... bisu... what the... lolllll Yeah, it seemed like the followup DTs were late. There was a window of opportunity to push back the hydras after sniping the overlords, but he just didn't have the DTs until very late. Either way, that's a hard defense without having solid scouting intel, and Soulkey played that perfectly. On May 02 2017 19:47 BlackJack wrote: How many times have we seen a P get busted by 3 hatch hydra this season? They really need to stop being so greedy That was a 5 hatch hydra after a muta/scourge fake. Bisu literally couldn't get scouting intel because of the scourge and had to build cannons in his mineral lines instead of at the natural. Really well played by Soulkey, hard build to beat. | ||
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
playing too greedy without scouting. | ||
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HalcyonRain
United States124 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19225 Posts
On May 02 2017 19:48 quirinus wrote: bisu didn't scout with corsairs because of mutas/scourge, then delayed zealot speed and gateways for expo. got fast templars which is good, but you always have to have cannons to make fast templar work. He did too much at once. If he skipped the fast third nexus then he would have had enough cannons. | ||
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BigFan
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On May 02 2017 19:49 BisuDagger wrote: He did too much at once. If he skipped the fast third nexus then he would have had enough cannons. agree, third was fast, should've gotten more gateways first or at least add several more cannons or something. Hope this doesn't affect his mentality, I personally want to see him advance! | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6546 Posts
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HalcyonRain
United States124 Posts
On May 02 2017 19:50 BigFan wrote: agree, third was fast, should've gotten more gateways first or at least add several more cannons or something. Hope this doesn't affect his mentality, I personally want to see him advance! He has to play vs Terran on Camelot to avoid elimination, that's a rough place to be. | ||
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BisuDagger
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
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GTR
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HalcyonRain
United States124 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19225 Posts
On May 02 2017 19:52 Lachrymose wrote: The one thing that's annoying about reading LR threads on TL is the constant "well just be less greedy" like there isn't a reason people play greedy. But THAT"S the reason he lost. He went storm, dt, expand, sair while skipping cannons. I'd appreciate your statement more if you had a solid counter argument. Soulkey knows Bisu is unbeatable if he has an unbothered 3 bases and punished Bisu early. edit: but we(I) also gave the credit to Soulkey's build. See previous page where I mention the early mutas was brilliant. | ||
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Zera
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Ej_
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BisuDagger
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PVJ
Hungary5214 Posts
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HalcyonRain
United States124 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On May 02 2017 19:59 Zera wrote: That frontal SK drone spat 12 times!! haha that zergling engagement was amazing. SK getting out first is nuts imo. This group... | ||
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
On May 02 2017 20:01 BisuDagger wrote: LB on track so far :D Same :D SK and Bisu! | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6546 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
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outscar
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On May 02 2017 19:58 BisuDagger wrote: But THAT"S the reason he lost. He went storm, dt, expand, sair while skipping cannons. I'd appreciate your statement more if you had a solid counter argument. Soulkey knows Bisu is unbeatable if he has an unbothered 3 bases and punished Bisu early. edit: but we(I) also gave the credit to Soulkey's build. See previous page where I mention the early mutas was brilliant. Yeah it is, but what you're doing is results oriented thinking. I'm not saying he didn't lose because he was greedy. I'm saying the knee-jerk reaction that being greedy is wrong because it lost is wrong and frankly arrogant. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1707 Posts
On May 02 2017 19:48 EsportsJohn wrote: lolllll Yeah, it seemed like the followup DTs were late. There was a window of opportunity to push back the hydras after sniping the overlords, but he just didn't have the DTs until very late. Either way, that's a hard defense without having solid scouting intel, and Soulkey played that perfectly. That was a 5 hatch hydra after a muta/scourge fake. Bisu literally couldn't get scouting intel because of the scourge and had to build cannons in his mineral lines instead of at the natural. Really well played by Soulkey, hard build to beat. bisu really screwed up in that game. why do i feel that bisu is going to pull an upset in this group.  i hope i'm wrong... | ||
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mataxp
Chile538 Posts
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On May 02 2017 20:05 mataxp wrote: holy shit this "losers" match. TBF the only surprise is Bisu in the losers match. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10127 Posts
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HalcyonRain
United States124 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On May 02 2017 20:07 TheNewEra wrote: TBF the only surprise is Bisu in the losers match. yep, Sea is expected imo. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19225 Posts
On May 02 2017 20:03 Lachrymose wrote: Yeah it is, but what you're doing is results oriented thinking. I'm not saying he didn't lose because he was greedy. I'm saying the knee-jerk reaction that being greedy is wrong because it lost is wrong and frankly arrogant. In the interview they literally talk with Soulkey about attacking Bisu while he opted to build a nexus. Provide real talking points please. | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On May 02 2017 20:09 BisuDagger wrote: In the interview they literally talk with Soulkey about attacking Bisu while he opted to build a nexus. Provide real talking points please. ? Do you not understand what I said? | ||
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BlackJack
United States10421 Posts
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BigFan
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
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BigFan
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nojok
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BigFan
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Ziggy
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TheNewEra
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On May 02 2017 20:21 ZiggyPG wrote: did sea get charon boosters? those missiles flew quite far.. probably? cmon Bisu! | ||
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HalcyonRain
United States124 Posts
not the Reebo. | ||
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Peeano
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HalcyonRain
United States124 Posts
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Ubersturmfuhrer
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Ej_
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Terrorbladder
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On May 02 2017 20:30 Ej_ wrote: does it matter, bisu already wonterrible recall? | ||
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Peeano
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1707 Posts
those shuttlles! despite losing the first one... | ||
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HalcyonRain
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Peeano
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duke91
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Terrorbladder
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Piste
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edit: lol at page 7 :D I almost couldn't continue watching after Bisu lost his first shuttle. | ||
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nojok
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BigFan
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Keniji
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BlackJack
United States10421 Posts
On May 02 2017 20:27 Ubersturmfuhrer wrote: such a shame one of these great players need to fall out from the tournament! now we are losing Bisu or effort lol | ||
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outscar
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But that was impressive as hell. | ||
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Soulforged
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letian
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On May 02 2017 20:35 Terrorbladder wrote: Bisu's been practicing PvT hard, but damn, Sea, for a player of his caliber, his multitask has been absent the whole game. well he's not really practising and grinding games like the other people. Him dropping out first was not really unexpected... | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium3999 Posts
On May 02 2017 04:48 classicyellow83 wrote: #1 Bisu PvT: 40-8 (83.3%) Opponents: Terran: Last 9-2, Flash 2-1, Light 1-0, sSak 4-1, Icarus 3-0, Piano 2-0, Mong 5-0, Rush 6-0, Sharp 4-2, Bravo 1-1, Sea 4-1 Yep, makes sense | ||
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FlaShFTW
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EsportsJohn
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Piste
6174 Posts
On May 02 2017 20:39 Sonny- wrote: I only tuned in at the end of the match, but what was up with that Sea stayed for way too long when it was clearly over and that sarcastic (?) "gg....." at the end? You really should watch the whole game, pure art. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19225 Posts
On May 02 2017 20:35 duke91 wrote: FantaSEA GG timing Sea had 2-3 done so fast in that game. I think that's why he stayed longer then it felt like he should have. It was late sure, but I think even with all the SCVs gone he still had a scary army. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
Bisu finally figured out PvT! | ||
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BigFan
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Terrorbladder
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On May 02 2017 20:37 TheNewEra wrote: Why wouldn't you be practicing for a big tournament, especially considering the expectation of being the last tourney's finalist. Barring some personal issues. Is JD in group C? We'll very likely see Bisu vs JD in the Ro8.well he's not really practising and grinding games like the other people. Him dropping out first was not really unexpected... | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On May 02 2017 20:43 Terrorbladder wrote: Why wouldn't you be practicing for a big tournament, especially considering the expectation of being the last tourney's finalist. Barring some personal issues. Is JD in group C? We'll very likely see Bisu vs JD in the Ro8. JD in group D with last, ssak and hero. | ||
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GTR
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On May 02 2017 20:43 Terrorbladder wrote: Why wouldn't you be practicing for a big tournament, especially considering the expectation of being the last tourney's finalist. Barring some personal issues. Is JD in group C? We'll very likely see Bisu vs JD in the Ro8. Well it's not like he did practice a lot last season. The upset wasn't that he dropped out first in Ro16 in ASL3 but that he actually managed to reach the finals in ASL2 | ||
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
Going greedy is fine, but not when you don't scout. He didn't scout with corsairs and the DT died. At that point you have to assume they're going to try to bust you, or live with the consequences. And in this case, it was pretty obvious soulkey would probably try to bust, since bisu is on fire lately, and hydra busts are quite popular at the moment. | ||
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Peeano
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HalcyonRain
United States124 Posts
On May 02 2017 20:52 Terrorbladder wrote: Should be no reason for Bisu to lose this match right? Storm is out Depends on how good of a sniper Effort is. Edit: Not so great that time @.@ | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On May 02 2017 20:54 Ej_ wrote: effOrt dead There's dead and then there's what Effort is, which is MegaDead. | ||
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GTR
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Esp1noza
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1707 Posts
bisu!!! i think i wasn't blinking in that match... those lurker eggs defense though. very good. | ||
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nojok
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letian
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duke91
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BisuDagger
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Bisu is unbeatable if he has an unbothered 3 bases http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/522075-asl3-ro16-group-b?page=5#96 | ||
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Kaewins
Bulgaria138 Posts
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Morbidius
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On May 02 2017 21:01 BisuDagger wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/522075-asl3-ro16-group-b?page=5#96 So what you're saying is Bisu is an idiot and you understand PvZ better than him. Got it. | ||
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alone
Poland410 Posts
On May 02 2017 21:02 Esp1noza wrote: So Bisu took 2nd to evade Shine? I thought exact same thing after he lost to soulkey, what a briliant guy... Sick game vs effort! | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19225 Posts
On May 02 2017 21:03 Lachrymose wrote: So what you're saying is Bisu is an idiot and you understand PvZ better than him. Got it. I don't know why you feel the need to attack me. edit: The quote I made above was for the Effort game by the way where Effort didn't prevent Bisu's third. | ||
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ShloobeR
Korea (South)3809 Posts
but can't take anything away from that Bisu performance! | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On May 02 2017 21:04 BisuDagger wrote: I don't know why you feel the need to insult me. You've been insulting me. Why was that okay? | ||
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On May 02 2017 21:03 Lachrymose wrote: So what you're saying is Bisu is an idiot and you understand PvZ better than him. Got it. First you make some strange points about greedyness that no one seems to understand except you and now you start to needlessly attack people. What's wrong with you? | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On May 02 2017 21:05 Lachrymose wrote: You've been insulting me. Why was that okay? Grudge match? | ||
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Peeano
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outscar
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BlackJack
United States10421 Posts
On May 02 2017 20:57 PVJ wrote: Effort did an offensive egg wall in SSL Classic and now again with the egg defense. That was beautiful video? | ||
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GTR
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Piste
6174 Posts
Gogo Bisudagger simultaneous play and cast! | ||
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Australia13004 Posts
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On May 02 2017 21:06 TheNewEra wrote: First you make some strange points about greedyness that no one seems to understand except you and now you start to needlessly attack people. What's wrong with you? Uh-huh, his dismissive attitude was totally okay and my was totally wrong. My point is not hard to understand. It's extremely simple. Every time a progamer gets an auto-loss doing something greedy people positively drip out of the woodwork to say or imply they're stupid. Like these progamers don't understand playing greedy and if only they knew how to play safe they would never lose. It's insulting. They play greedy because they know that it's good. It's that simple. If you don't agree explain to me why exactly you think progamers constantly get it 'wrong' and do 'dumb' greedy builds. If it's so simple for Bisu to take a safe 3 base and collect his free win why doesn't he do it? What doesn't he know that you experts do? Yeah, it's super fucking easy to watch a loss and go he shouldn't have done the thing that lost this game but again, that's results oriented thinking which I'm sure you're familiar with and understand why it's not a good approach. People know that and they do it anyway. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19225 Posts
Lol nah. I prefer to be friends with everyone in the BW community. I'm sorry you think I was attacking you Lachrymose. I wish you the best. Let's spend our energy appreciating the amazing Brood War games we saw today instead | ||
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Sonny-
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On May 02 2017 21:13 BisuDagger wrote: Lol nah. I prefer to be friends with everyone in the BW community. I'm sorry you think I was attacking you Lachrymose. I wish you the best. Let's spend our energy appreciating the amazing Brood War games we saw today instead Okay, deal. They were really great games. Have a good one. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19225 Posts
On May 02 2017 21:14 Lachrymose wrote: Okay, deal. They were really great games. Have a good one. If this helps put a smile on your face, whenever Bisu loses a game people PM me pictures of Bisu's face in a toilet. (The silver lining is at least the toilet (usually) has clean water) | ||
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BusterchaiR
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
On May 02 2017 21:17 BisuDagger wrote: If this helps put a smile on your face, whenever Bisu loses a game people PM me pictures of Bisu's face in a toilet. (The silver lining is at least the toilet (usually) has clean water) No way this is true | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands4980 Posts
On May 02 2017 21:17 BusterchaiR wrote: Will the vods be available later? They are now. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + http://afreeca.tv/36833823/v/67231 | ||
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raff100
498 Posts
On May 02 2017 21:17 BusterchaiR wrote: Will the vods be available later? Yes,they upload very fast | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6546 Posts
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On May 02 2017 21:12 Lachrymose wrote: Uh-huh, his dismissive attitude was totally okay and my was totally wrong. My point is not hard to understand. It's extremely simple. Every time a progamer gets an auto-loss doing something greedy people positively drip out of the woodwork to say or imply they're stupid. Like these progamers don't understand playing greedy and if only they knew how to play safe they would never lose. It's insulting. They play greedy because they know that it's good. It's that simple. If you don't agree explain to me why exactly you think progamers constantly get it 'wrong' and do 'dumb' greedy builds. If it's so simple for Bisu to take a safe 3 base and collect his free win why doesn't he do it? What doesn't he know that you experts do? Yeah, it's super fucking easy to watch a loss and go he shouldn't have done the thing that lost this game but again, that's results oriented thinking which I'm sure you're familiar with and understand why it's not a good approach. People know that and they do it anyway. Analysis is fine. Saying that you shouldn't criticize a progamer for their choices is ridiculous; that's what creates discussion. Taking the third base early off of DTs and HTs and corsairs was greedy and had associated risks, and Bisu paid for that risk. I'm sure he knew the risk, but it's also very possible that putting down a third nexus after having his templar sniped and no scouting info could be considered a mistake (AKA an area that could be improved upon). Saying "build blind cannons" is dumb if you have no reasoning to justify it other than "to be safe"; I'm with you on that point. But I don't think you should be attacking someone just because they point out that a progamer could have done something wrong. | ||
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BusterchaiR
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19225 Posts
It is true, I'll hunt the PMs down later. I also get gold like this Hey bro i know life hard and work shit planes bisudogger and a baby. i get it itll keep you all kinds of busy but we need kcm done like the new one starts in 30 min which puts behind another week. i need colorblind shaded drunken streams on twitch otherwise why does anyone have a twitch account?? i not saying this to be like you owe us (the BW community) but you made a choice long ago to cast BW and now we have become reliant on you. you are like a doctor or a cop, there is no time off. you cast until you cant cast anymore. i want you to be changing a diaper off screen and casting simultaneously lmao thats gold you can tell your friends its cool ill let you have that one. we love you and now im gonna watch korean sc.. weekly bw seems to get longer and longer in between. you should change name to monthly bw. lol Fuck Planes Play Starcraft #FPPS #FPPS | ||
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Burned Toast
Canada2040 Posts
On May 02 2017 21:17 BusterchaiR wrote: Will the vods be available later? Vods split in games also available in the Small VOD thread. | ||
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
On May 02 2017 21:34 BisuDagger wrote: It is true, I'll hunt the PMs down later. I also get gold like this #FPPS Sick! :D #FPPS | ||
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konadora
Singapore66155 Posts
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Epithet
United States840 Posts
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Esp1noza
Russian Federation481 Posts
On May 02 2017 21:53 konadora wrote: is it me or are they using 1.17 again It is you. 1.17 was never realised. Today was played on 1.16.1 | ||
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konadora
Singapore66155 Posts
On May 02 2017 21:59 Esp1noza wrote: It is you. 1.17 was never realised. Today was played on 1.16.1 woops 1.16.1 i mean LOL so they reverted back from 1.18? | ||
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Esp1noza
Russian Federation481 Posts
On May 02 2017 22:05 konadora wrote: woops 1.16.1 i mean LOL so they reverted back from 1.18? yes | ||
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konadora
Singapore66155 Posts
and i just watched the vod of the games, holy shit that last game, THAT MULTITASKING AND MULTI-PRONGED ENGAGEMENTS | ||
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Burned Toast
Canada2040 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/XpNkzUA.jpg) I like the image so much I think I'll use it as a banner for the finals if Flash makes it... | ||
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United States1656 Posts
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On May 02 2017 21:34 BisuDagger wrote: It is true, I'll hunt the PMs down later. I also get gold like this #FPPS I always thought you were really selfish for having a wife, work, a Dogger and now a baby instead of doing a Daily Dagger. #FPPS | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
I am so loving this tournament! | ||
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mcmascote
Brazil1575 Posts
On May 02 2017 20:37 Soulforged wrote: Bisu finally making his own PvT style, keyed to his strengths. That's going to be something that's hard to get relevant practice against, for his opponents. Hmmm, that's the JangBi PvT style that Stork (his former teammate) used too with great success. But worse. Believe it or not. Key differences is that Jangbi was so confident on his reaver play that he'd grab a third while going reaver and with only 2 gates, then he'd build gate and macro while microoing. If the T tried a timing push, he'd destroy with a group of goons and that reaver play. If the T tried to outthink him by going 'liaths for defense, he'd then stop the shuttle, add another one then go for 4 zeas 2 reavers drop and erase the poor liaths. Then the shuttle speed also allows him to transition to his deadliest weapon: templars on a shuttle. That's also what bisu did, but you could see that on the first fight on Sea's min Bisu's storms were kinda poor. He had only two HTs on the shuttle and a couple of others walking and you could notice he was a bit slow on the first storm and then had a good one, but the HTs he dropped died and he needed another storm to kill a big group of tanks that were damaged, and it came a bit late after losing almost all his zeas. | ||
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Hungary90 Posts
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1707 Posts
On May 03 2017 00:29 Xeln4g4 wrote: Bisu realized he was at risk of elimination after he lost shuttle vs Sea ... and from there on: Bisu showtime!!! O_O Don't miss these wonderful gamesssssss!!!!! Totally agree. I almost cried when he lost that first shuttle. Then... Multiple shuttle plays + storm + arbiter! Just wow! Amazing multitasking by the taek shin himself... Then, that recall! Oh well, that was not good and I thought Sea would recover but I guess bisu was just BM'ing Sea. | ||
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3329 Posts
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CUTtheCBC
Canada91 Posts
On May 02 2017 19:45 Ej_ wrote: Imagine effOrt now losisng ZvZ to SK and then to Bisu in the last match. DAMN YOU! | ||
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CUTtheCBC
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Empyrean
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On May 02 2017 19:45 Ej_ wrote: Imagine effOrt now losisng ZvZ to SK and then to Bisu in the last match. Yep. Imagine. >_> | ||
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Cryoc
Germany909 Posts
On May 03 2017 02:56 ortseam wrote: Way to go Effort. He had the sairs fooled, then shows the mutas and takes damage without having them stacked ready to snipe (AND he knew the army was there) , then flies into the obvious first storm in front of the templar. Gotta root for SK now i guess Yeah, it was SO obvious, that Bisu would hide his HT and not keep them with his army, what was Effort thinking.../sarcasm | ||
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Burned Toast
Canada2040 Posts
 Soulkey and EffOrt are clashing again tomorrow for SSL Classic! Might be the beginning of a grudge... | ||
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arbiter_md
Moldova1219 Posts
Anyway, the last two games were good and I felt like Bisu got a little lucky. Or maybe he knew the mutas would come from top direction, and not from the left side of the map to get directly to hts. | ||
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Miragee
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On May 03 2017 01:51 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote: Totally agree. I almost cried when he lost that first shuttle. Then... Multiple shuttle plays + storm + arbiter! Just wow! Amazing multitasking by the taek shin himself... Then, that recall! Oh well, that was not good and I thought Sea would recover but I guess bisu was just BM'ing Sea. Huh? He was so far ahead when he lost that shuttle that it almost didn't matter. On May 03 2017 05:59 arbiter_md wrote: Now, since Bisu and Shine advanced from second place they both will have to advance to Ro4. I don't see any other way this tournament could go. Anyway, the last two games were good and I felt like Bisu got a little lucky. Or maybe he knew the mutas would come from top direction, and not from the left side of the map to get directly to hts. He actually had his army patroling. The only way for the mutas to get in would have been from the very back, which is highly unlikely consindering effort probably though Bisu would keep the templars with his army. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On May 02 2017 19:45 Ej_ wrote: Imagine effOrt now losisng ZvZ to SK and then to Bisu in the last match. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On May 02 2017 20:40 BisuDagger wrote: Sea had 2-3 done so fast in that game. I think that's why he stayed longer then it felt like he should have. It was late sure, but I think even with all the SCVs gone he still had a scary army. Yes, but scary army isn't scary when protoss has 6 bases and you have no bases and no production. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On May 03 2017 06:30 B-royal wrote: My favourite player can't perform in tournaments any more. Feels bad... Lol wut? He cruises out of Ro24 group 2-0. Then he gets to this group and smashes Sea with ease. Goes to ZvZ and plays very well, only to lose to SK who is also ridiculously strong and judged this game to perfection. He drops a set to Bisu, who has been sporting an 80% WR lately and practicing like a machine, and in this case probably exclusively for PvZ, as I doubt he was too worried about Sea. EffOrt's damn good, but especially as of late I'd have to say BvE is a little tilted in favor of Bisu if anything at the moment. Now he did go out 0-2 in ASL2 which is uninspiring, but again let's not forget the circumstances: Rain playing one of the best PvZs we have seen in a LONG time, and then he lost to one of the best TvZers of all time in Light. To me, this hardly adds up to "can't perform in tournamnets". He has faced some VERY strong opponents playing some of their best games and still almost scraped by. Aside from that, lets see what we have : Currently 2-1 in SSL Classic, with a ZvZ loss to herO, aka 2 wins and a loss in a finnicky matchup to a top zerg 1st VANT Starleague Ro24 Exit in ASL 1 The Ro24 exit in ASL1 is his one truly bad performance in my opinion, where he failed to advance from Shuttle/Ssak/Free. That's one day out of many though, and coming off the VANT win, where it's common for players to practice a bit less having put in a ton of work to win the previous major league. Beyond that, he has played a barrage of solid games against strong opponents. He is showing good games and smashing any non top tier players. It's disheartening he hasn't quite been able to beat the Bisu's, Flash's, and Light's, of the world; but given the fact he is playing competitive games it seems far more likely that the roll of the dice just hasn't been going in his favor. | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On May 02 2017 21:12 Lachrymose wrote: Uh-huh, his dismissive attitude was totally okay and my was totally wrong. My point is not hard to understand. It's extremely simple. Every time a progamer gets an auto-loss doing something greedy people positively drip out of the woodwork to say or imply they're stupid. Like these progamers don't understand playing greedy and if only they knew how to play safe they would never lose. It's insulting. They play greedy because they know that it's good. It's that simple. If you don't agree explain to me why exactly you think progamers constantly get it 'wrong' and do 'dumb' greedy builds. If it's so simple for Bisu to take a safe 3 base and collect his free win why doesn't he do it? What doesn't he know that you experts do? Yeah, it's super fucking easy to watch a loss and go he shouldn't have done the thing that lost this game but again, that's results oriented thinking which I'm sure you're familiar with and understand why it's not a good approach. People know that and they do it anyway. I don't want to revive the fight, but just wanted to and say that your overall point is totally correct, and I'm glad you were making it. It's really silly / dumb / annoying / results oriented thinking when people say stuff like "but THAT'S why he lost ... he was greedy!". As a player, you have to take selectively those chances from time to time, because when you don't get countered, your chances of winning go up substantially. Not that different from 12 Nex or 14 CC, or going 9 pool. Obviously if you do the same stuff too much so as to become predictable, then it's dumb. But you know what's really dumb? Always playing standard. Always getting that second Cannon. Always playing "safe". If game sense can save you a few hundred minerals 80% of the time, then maybe you should do it. Or maybe you think 80% isn't a good enough rate. That's reasonable to debate. But stuff like what people on TL like to say, such as "always get the second Cannon when you're in the blind" is ridiculous. As if the pros don't realize the risk they're taking there, from the 10,000+ games they've played. You know what pros also know? The value of cutting a Cannon for their overall build, when playing against someone else who is also really fucking good at BW. Sometimes your star sense gets countered by the other guy's star sense. It happens at this level. Cross map PvZ on Andromeda can be quite tough for Protoss. Soulkey is incredibly good at late game Zerg - as good as anyone out there. Bisu lost his first DT way earlier than expected, because of great Overlord placement by Soulkey (and perhaps luck or perhaps deliberate timing on his Mutas). So he lost the ability to pull that DT back and suicide Corsairs against Overlords to counter an aggressive Hydra bust. At that point, he was partly committed to his build and decided to just bet on Soulkey, a player known for being a late game oriented Zerg, not committing to such an aggressive attack on cross map positions on one of the biggest maps out there. He bet wrong. Like I said, it happens. The goal is to increase your chance of winning, not "decrease your chance of losing in a less stupid looking way". People don't count the times a player won because they cut a Cannon based off of game sense, because the benefit is not as visible. Perhaps cutting a Cannon was part of a greedy build to get the third Nexus faster, which within minutes leads to a bunch more minerals faster (so it's not "only 150 minerals"), which leads to a stronger timing attack designed against a standard ZvP style on Andromeda. I'm not claiming that's actually what happened here, but just giving an example of what is possible. Observers almost never notice the benefits of these moves - we mostly only notice when trying to be greedy gets punished. Hence the results-oriented bias. If people want to debate whether or not the tradeoffs and risks Bisu chose made sense, that's fine, just as one can debate whether the process behind a poker player re-raising versus folding, going all-in versus calling, etc., made sense. But saying "bad move" because it didn't work is no different than blindly saying "bad move" when a pro poker player bluffs and gets called, as if the pro doesn't realize that bluffs can get called. | ||
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omahahowitzer
United States98 Posts
On May 03 2017 06:41 Miragee wrote: Huh? He was so far ahead when he lost that shuttle that it almost didn't matter. He actually had his army patroling. The only way for the mutas to get in would have been from the very back, which is highly unlikely consindering effort probably though Bisu would keep the templars with his army. He lost his first shuttle and reaver and let Sea take an uncontested 3rd, against Last or Flash who might have handled his later harass better it would be gg | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On May 03 2017 07:17 L_Master wrote: Lol wut? He cruises out of Ro24 group 2-0. Then he gets to this group and smashes Sea with ease. Goes to ZvZ and plays very well, only to lose to SK who is also ridiculously strong and judged this game to perfection. He drops a set to Bisu, who has been sporting an 80% WR lately and practicing like a machine, and in this case probably exclusively for PvZ, as I doubt he was too worried about Sea. EffOrt's damn good, but especially as of late I'd have to say BvE is a little tilted in favor of Bisu if anything at the moment. Now he did go out 0-2 in ASL2 which is uninspiring, but again let's not forget the circumstances: Rain playing one of the best PvZs we have seen in a LONG time, and then he lost to one of the best TvZers of all time in Light. To me, this hardly adds up to "can't perform in tournamnets". He has faced some VERY strong opponents playing some of their best games and still almost scraped by. Aside from that, lets see what we have : Currently 2-1 in SSL Classic, with a ZvZ loss to herO, aka 2 wins and a loss in a finnicky matchup to a top zerg 1st VANT Starleague Ro24 Exit in ASL 1 The Ro24 exit in ASL1 is his one truly bad performance in my opinion, where he failed to advance from Shuttle/Ssak/Free. That's one day out of many though, and coming off the VANT win, where it's common for players to practice a bit less having put in a ton of work to win the previous major league. Beyond that, he has played a barrage of solid games against strong opponents. He is showing good games and smashing any non top tier players. It's disheartening he hasn't quite been able to beat the Bisu's, Flash's, and Light's, of the world; but given the fact he is playing competitive games it seems far more likely that the roll of the dice just hasn't been going in his favor. Yeah, Effort's totally fine. Had a couple 1-2 days at the wrong time, against really strong opponents. Only the VANT drop out was bad like you said, and even then, those days happen to everyone (and it's not like Ssak, Shuttle, Free is a total scrub group...). Flash, Bisu, Jaedong, everyone had their rough 0-2 or 1-2 day oops now you're out of MSL experience a couple of times. Problem is, there's this narrative being peddled by some on TL that Effort "isn't clutch" or "isn't that good". It's already taken hold, so until Effort goes deep into ASL, he's stuck with it, like many other dumb small sample size narratives. The great thing about 2017 is we literally get 50+ game sample sizes on each player *per month* via their sponmatches. While sponmatches aren't as serious as other matches, the winner does usually make *more money*, so the incentive is there. Consequently, we really do have a good sense of what shape someone is in over time. This isn't like during the glory days where, even with 5 days a week proleague, players rarely played more than 10 publicly visible games in a single month. It's a great time to be a fan. But hey, looks like "Effort isn't clutch" lives on for another ~4 months at least, all the while he continues to put up the best month-to-month results of any Zerg (I know he isn't always #1 out of Zergs every month, but take the last ~6 months of results and he's the best overall by far). All the while the fact remains, if you had to pick one Zerg to play one game, or one series, and your life depended on it, you would be a fool not to pick Effort. There's a reason people like eonzerg consider Effort the best. There's a reason Shine said Jaedong and Effort were the two best Zergs, almost as if there wasn't any debate to be had. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On May 03 2017 07:38 darktreb wrote: Yeah, Effort's totally fine. Had a couple 1-2 days at the wrong time, against really strong opponents. Only the VANT drop out was bad like you said, and even then, those days happen to everyone (and it's not like Ssak, Shuttle, Free is a total scrub group...). Flash, Bisu, Jaedong, everyone had their rough 0-2 or 1-2 day oops now you're out of MSL experience a couple of times. Problem is, there's this narrative being peddled by some on TL that Effort "isn't clutch" or "isn't that good". It's already taken hold, so until Effort goes deep into ASL, he's stuck with it, like many other dumb small sample size narratives. The great thing about 2017 is we literally get 50+ game sample sizes on each player *per month* via their sponmatches. While sponmatches aren't as serious as other matches, the winner does usually make *more money*, so the incentive is there. Consequently, we really do have a good sense of what shape someone is in over time. This isn't like during the glory days where, even with 5 days a week proleague, players rarely played more than 10 publicly visible games in a single month. It's a great time to be a fan. But hey, looks like "Effort isn't clutch" lives on for another ~4 months at least, all the while he continues to put up the best month-to-month results of any Zerg (I know he isn't always #1 out of Zergs every month, but take the last ~6 months of results and he's the best overall by far). All the while the fact remains, if you had to pick one Zerg to play one game, or one series, and your life depended on it, you would be a fool not to pick Effort. There's a reason people like eonzerg consider Effort the best. There's a reason Shine said Jaedong and Effort were the two best Zergs, almost as if there wasn't any debate to be had. Yea, I see this thrown around sometimes, and I can only chuckle a little bit. You're talking about a guy who came back to reverse all kill FlaSh at the height of his power on the OSL stage in front of thousands. The type of player to be able to do that is not the type of player that has issues with pressure. Anybody that thinks EffOrt in general isn't that good I can only assume never plays or watches much BW. EffOrt's skill is clear enough just watching VODs, and downright blinding if you watch him play on stream. | ||
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United Kingdom1710 Posts
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
Bisu so good it's ridiculous. Both games, specially the pvt, were a masterclass on how to play this game. The loss was to a sick timing atack more tan anything | ||
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United States2621 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4126 Posts
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Barneyk
Sweden305 Posts
Jesus christ. I have never seen the multitasking protoss strategy look so overwhelming. I am a bit surprised that Soulkey seemed to be such an underdog, he was so damn good in the team battle and single handily won it for team Guemchi. He has been so on point with strategy and details in his play lately. Effort is great as well, such tiny details that lost him the game vs soulkey, the drone pull and hold was insane. The way Effort snuck in with a lot of lings but still didn't kill any drones was just silly. Both played a great zvz but soulkey was had a tiny tiny edge in each little battle and it snowballed into a crushing win. | ||
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YASHSHAKAR
United States75 Posts
On May 03 2017 00:57 mcmascote wrote: Hmmm, that's the JangBi PvT style that Stork (his former teammate) used too with great success. But worse. Believe it or not. Key differences is that Jangbi was so confident on his reaver play that he'd grab a third while going reaver and with only 2 gates, then he'd build gate and macro while microoing. If the T tried a timing push, he'd destroy with a group of goons and that reaver play. If the T tried to outthink him by going 'liaths for defense, he'd then stop the shuttle, add another one then go for 4 zeas 2 reavers drop and erase the poor liaths. Then the shuttle speed also allows him to transition to his deadliest weapon: templars on a shuttle. That's also what bisu did, but you could see that on the first fight on Sea's min Bisu's storms were kinda poor. He had only two HTs on the shuttle and a couple of others walking and you could notice he was a bit slow on the first storm and then had a good one, but the HTs he dropped died and he needed another storm to kill a big group of tanks that were damaged, and it came a bit late after losing almost all his zeas. Bisu: "Everything, everywhere, all the time" LMAO Bisu showed his pure professionalism amidst his mistakes in these games. Perseverance and constant agression in those last two games shows that he is determined to make it all the way. Lets talk about those templars again. WOW the way he was taking out those SCVs so efficiently while microing the frontal assalts was perfection. I can only imagine the craziness that replay would look like from his perspective. | ||
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
Effort really put a lot of resources into that early Hydra muta play. His fourth was so late. That hatch placement at the 9 o clock though. That was such a sick play. | ||
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YASHSHAKAR
United States75 Posts
Hmm where have I heard that before??? Oh yes. "You have yet to witness!!! The TRUE POWER of the protoss!!" - Tassadar (Starcraft Final Metamorphosis) Bisu is literally Tassadar now. After seeing that clutch HT play, a well earned comparison. Now, I watched the VOD a few hours ago. I made sure to stay the F*** away from this site until I watched everything spoiler free; popcorn demolished, and every comment on this thread, read. Here is my response.. First, I want to say that it is GREAT to see the best protoss of all time make it to the top 8. Lets be honest here, these darn zerg are getting out of hand lately. I knew going in that if anyone was going to comeback and clintch a second spot after losing their first in THIS group, it would have to have been bisu. Way too much talent here overall. In no wise whatsoever, can I desrespect ANY of the ones who were eliminated tonight. The competition was TOP Tier. I also want to congratulate SoulKey for impressing everyone tonight. He truly is starting to show just how much of a threat he can be to anyone. You zerg players should definitely be excited about this up-and-coming BW youngblood. If he keeps playing at this level, we may see him in the Top 4. Given that Bisu was 6-0 with soulkey prior to tonight, my only assumption is that Bisu chose his build based off of what he did correctly in the prior 6 wins against Soulkey. He made a gamble, and crapped out on that first loss. His response to that loss was nothing short of legendary, and soulkey better hope he does not see him again this season lol. Soulkey did his thing, BUT MAN WAS HE SHAKY!!! Idk if thats what he always does or if it was a shaky knee but if you go back and watch his cam, dat boi was damn near shivering. HE WAS SOO ANXIOUS lol. The funny thing is that he seemed a bit impatient, which made sense with the shivering (or knee bouncing) Like he knew his best chance against this group was trying to finish the matches as quick as possible. For a second there I was literally worried that he was having a mini panic attack, but hes a professional Im sure it was nothing. It just seemed funny to me. Against effort, he showed some awesome micro. It demanded my respect even after being pissed off about him beating Bisu. I lowkey wanted effort to win against SK just so that Bisu could try to get a rematch. Its whatever, I personally would prefer SK over Effort in the R8 because I know Effort is most likely a more powerful threat in a best of 3 against players like Flash, JD and Bisu, and Best. __________________________________________ I had to let it sink in for a moment that Bisu eliminated both Sea and Effort back to back, Im sure either one of them wanted to avoid playing Bisu as much as possible . Those final matches were INCREDIBLE. I'm talkin perfectly timed zealot pushes on the frontlines, clutch arbiter Stasis casts, and harassment performed to perfection! ___________________________________________ "Everything, Everywhere, All the time" is my slogan for Bisu now lol. The way he baited the vultures with the zealots for the goons to clean up, while avoiding the range of Sea's Tanks, and then cleaning up the tanks with the lots... I had to rewatch this match twice because I learned quite a bit from the way he placed everything so well. He avoided a TON of seas mines, taking full advantage of his map control to flank from the best locations. Those Reavers hitting 2 armories and 2 supply depots all at once was as satisfying to watch as a perfectly poured cup of beer. After Bisu's first shuttle got embarrased, it was like bisu was sayin, "No F-U im gonna get more reavers and im gonna do whatever the hell I want because I'm Bisu." Sea's GG timing was hilarious but cool because I love seeing toss blow everything tf up. Goons and Lots just pushing in and ingesting Seas main base was borderline therapeudic. ___________________________________________ Against Effort, take note of Bisu's wall-in/sim-city. That ended up playing a big factor against Effort's first Hydra pushes. The gateway was left in flames, but it stood strong. The zealots evicted the Hydras from the wall like bosses, buying the HT enough time to gain PsiStorm. Effort had the right idea with his flanking but Bisu seemed to be right on top of things. I was expecting a doomsday drop from effort at one point but he may have been discouraged from following through with it. "Those Mutas.... DIDNT REALLY PAY OFF!" - Artosis mini raged at Effort when he recognised that Bisu still had alot of Templars. The zealots that "For Aiur'ed" tf out of Effort's right-side expansion, followed by efforts egg wall in of the century; made me jump out of my seat yelling louder than my brother in the other room that was watching the NBA playoffs (in an overtime game, mind you). So he walls in the zealots at the ramp with eggs and then blocks their exit with hydras. THEN he individualy morphs each hydra into lurker just before they get killed by the zealots, essentually zeroing their effective dps. That was cinematic af. I would pay to see that scene in theatres. Great play by Effort. The nail in the coffin was the zealot push back to the previously destroyed base. Effort's lurkers tried to squeeze through the dragoons, but the way they were laid out was like a mini tower defense and a well placed psi storm right in the middle of them softened up most of the lurkers completely. The DT drop to his main was effective nontheless because he pulled drones, but lets be honest, I wanted to see blood just as much as Tastosis lol. Its just crazy to see how effective Bisu utilizes his zealots so well. He always seems to rotate the most effective units for the situation to prevent unneccesary losses, but everywhere at the same time. Its just insane. Heck, Bisu is so good that he could probably make Mass Scout the new meta LMAO. ______________________________________ Looking at our next group of C, my hopes for protoss are great. We get a guaranteed toss to move forward with a high chance of 2 toss making it through. Mong is pretty damn good, but I have trouble imagining how he is going to fare against Best and Jaehoon. You really can't count anybody out in these next groups tho! Let group D whittle down the number of Toss and Zerg for the next round and were going to have some nice looking, evenly racial brackets for R8. Best case scenario, we have 3 extremely powerful Brotoss going into the next round. If you made it through one of my patented walls of text, thanks. I'm just really excited to get into broodwar once again. | ||
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usopsama
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rOeDz6v.jpg) God vs humans. | ||
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YASHSHAKAR
United States75 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On May 03 2017 14:59 Dante08 wrote: Btw I dont get why Zergs dont build a sunken and keep 1 overlord in the main mid-late game? I've seen countless of Zergs can wrecked by one single DT where one sunken and overlord could have saved tons of trouble. Not like effOrt had any money to spare after the failed timing, he was essentially even on bases at best. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
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Bakuryu
Germany1065 Posts
i also dont like the "greedy" play of Bisu vs Soulkey, was pretty unnecessary. Soulkey did a nice timing to hit it. (if you think im not in a position to say that, i gave 5 examples 2 days ago in jaedong stream thread) Effort should have killed the drone in front vs Soulkey and not fight next to it. Then Bisu`s multitask upgrade finished and he demolished everything in sight. | ||
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
Bisu looks like he just finished exercising after the game lol. Poor EffOrt, he didn't really do anything bad but the end attack, how do you deal with that o.O | ||
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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polgas
Canada1752 Posts
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wabe.PrayHard
Bolivia45 Posts
On May 04 2017 04:38 polgas wrote: When the game observer was switching between bases at the point when Bisu was attacking everywhere, I couldn't even process fast enough which base I was looking at that was being attacked. Despite his good looks, Bisu is a manly man with his aggression. Nerd chills. exactly it was epic!! loved the group B! cheering up for group C. | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
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Turbovolver
Australia2391 Posts
I went in to group B torn right down the middle between "hope that pretender Bisu scrubs out 0-2" and "hope that pretender Bisu waltzes out 2-0 so he can lose to Shine" but honestly, he played some damn good games and earned some real respect. Kudos are due. | ||
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Spyfire242
United States715 Posts
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Phyanketto
United States505 Posts
Hydra bust still a hard counter to Sair DT | ||
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Barneyk
Sweden305 Posts
Late game pvz sair reaver with distruption web on andromeda was some of the sickest games ever back in the day. | ||
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Broodwar4lyf
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On May 05 2017 07:30 Barneyk wrote: Oh, and btw, I get a but irritated with how Tastosis talks about sair reaver being gimmicky, it is such a awesome build. Late game pvz sair reaver with distruption web on andromeda was some of the sickest games ever back in the day. But its actually weaker against modern zergs... Despite how "sick" it might be It's just not as strong as standard. You're much better off just mixing reavers in with a normal toss army late game. Sure you can still win with it but you have to hope the zerg makes a mistake. | ||
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Headshot
United States1656 Posts
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On May 06 2017 02:52 Headshot wrote: When does group C start? Sunday, 19:00 KST | ||
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
12-04-08 was kinda more important than all those together but yes, shine loves to all-in | ||
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United States2786 Posts
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