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c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11899 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-25 12:16:33
December 25 2016 12:16 GMT
#281
On December 25 2016 21:08 classicyellow83 wrote:
I feel bad for last because of all the shit storm hes gonna receive on YGOSU and his stream chat.

It's kinda bad especially when you think that it will happen for pretty much all the other 23 players
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
December 25 2016 12:17 GMT
#282
On December 25 2016 21:08 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2016 20:46 ThreeActPlay wrote:
On December 25 2016 20:45 [[Starlight]] wrote:
lol, why can't the casters pronounce 'Lair'?

"He needs to get his Layer now."



put yo hands in the ayer


lololol.



To give the actual answer, it's because Korean commentators say it like 'layer', so it's just the cool way to do it if you grew up on Broodwar.

+ Show Spoiler [Famously] +
(12 minutes.)
~
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5981 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-25 12:35:29
December 25 2016 12:17 GMT
#283
I thought it would be nice to watch ASL on a big ass screen with Christmas... I just spent over an hour fiddling with the smarttv at my parents' house to get it to work. Sadly to no avail. I finally settled with that it wasn't gonna happen and I was watching the Final Match on my phone and then the stream suddenly froze mid game because I blew through all my data. Apparently Wi-Fi didn't auto log in, despite it showing on. I'm so done angry with Samsung atm, 2 devices completely fail my expectations.
I missed all today's games
FBH #1!
bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-25 12:17:58
December 25 2016 12:17 GMT
#284
On December 25 2016 21:04 usopsama wrote:
[image loading]

this picture is so different from the Ro16 picture.

Flash, Sea will be 2 last Terran of this season but I won't surprise when have no any Terran advance ro8.

It's so sad today for me and for fan Terran.
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classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
December 25 2016 12:18 GMT
#285
On December 25 2016 21:16 c3rberUs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2016 21:08 classicyellow83 wrote:
I feel bad for last because of all the shit storm hes gonna receive on YGOSU and his stream chat.

It's kinda bad to think that it will happen for pretty much all the other 23 players

Not as much for non elite players. No one is talking about Rush on YGOSU. Even when Rush beat Flash twice last week, not a single thread was mentioned about it. Rush was very sad.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium7209 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-25 12:30:26
December 25 2016 12:21 GMT
#286
i gonna need to fix my vision facepalm
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-25 12:25:25
December 25 2016 12:25 GMT
#287
On December 25 2016 21:17 Lachrymose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2016 21:08 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On December 25 2016 20:46 ThreeActPlay wrote:
On December 25 2016 20:45 [[Starlight]] wrote:
lol, why can't the casters pronounce 'Lair'?

"He needs to get his Layer now."



put yo hands in the ayer


lololol.



To give the actual answer, it's because Korean commentators say it like 'layer', so it's just the cool way to do it if you grew up on Broodwar.

+ Show Spoiler [Famously] +
https://youtu.be/Nbi_omDXloI?t=726 (12 minutes.)


The Koreans were actually a lot closer to the correct pronunciation than Tasteless and Rapid were, lol.


User was warned for being hilarious
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
December 25 2016 12:26 GMT
#288
On December 25 2016 21:11 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2016 21:08 classicyellow83 wrote:
I feel bad for last because of all the shit storm hes gonna receive on YGOSU and his stream chat.

I guess one can't live on good TvT performances alone.



But what about aside from his monstrous TvT his TvP and TvZ were IIRC above 65% from classicyellow's posts plus he was dominating ladder everytime.
sunbeams are never made like me...
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-25 12:33:06
December 25 2016 12:32 GMT
#289
On December 25 2016 21:26 outscar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2016 21:11 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On December 25 2016 21:08 classicyellow83 wrote:
I feel bad for last because of all the shit storm hes gonna receive on YGOSU and his stream chat.

I guess one can't live on good TvT performances alone.



But what about aside from his monstrous TvT his TvP and TvZ were IIRC above 65% from classicyellow's posts plus he was dominating ladder everytime.


I dunno... his TvP and TvZ sure didn't look good tonight.

Is that so different from what he did in ASL1? He clobbered a still-getting-back-into-it Flash in TvT, then got clobbered by Shuttle in TvP.


User was warned for being hilarious
Bakuryu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany1065 Posts
December 25 2016 12:32 GMT
#290
On December 25 2016 21:07 Lucumo wrote:
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On December 25 2016 21:06 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
On December 25 2016 21:04 Bakuryu wrote:
im sad... just sad.... bisu winning over hero was the only good thing.

we are very close to loss our relationszergship gentleman

Yeah, what a disgusting statement.


wtf how is that a disgusting statement?
we have 0 terrans now, GJ.

last vs rush: last played nice, although rush was missing chances with his wraiths, rush just didnt really use them effectively and slowly got choked of ressources.

bisu vs hero: the most predictable match in terms of build orders took a fun turn by bisu using a build which he only does like 1% of the time, nice micro by bisu wins him the game even though lings kill some probes in his base.

last vs bisu: i was happy to see 1 gate proxy being shut down by wall in + bisu also losing his probe. last scouted everything bisu was doing, yet did not have enough to kill the proxy gate and lost too much in micro.

hero vs rush: rush scouted the pool timing and should have known that hero went 3 hatch before pool and should react accordingly.... his micro was not that good and reacted kinda late, giving hero enough time to mass lings.

hero vs last: hero played very strong... last played with a lot of errors, it looked nothing like the alphago we know.

so after group B with sharp and mind failing more or less horribly, last and rush just followed suit.
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
December 25 2016 12:34 GMT
#291
That was quite a strong play by hero. I was quite impressed with his play.

He also almost had that game vs Bisu if he only didn't overcommit to his attack.
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usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-25 12:38:06
December 25 2016 12:35 GMT
#292
[image loading]

This map pool though.

If Jaedong or hero get paired up with a protoss in the RO8, they are basically dead.
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-25 12:38:09
December 25 2016 12:36 GMT
#293
On December 25 2016 21:34 Nemesis wrote:
That was quite a strong play by hero. I was quite impressed with his play.

He also almost had that game vs Bisu if he only didn't overcommit to his attack.

Have to wonder... who's the best Zerg right now, Jaedong or Hero?

Jaedong has a higher ceiling, but I don't think he's at it right now.


User was warned for being hilarious
Bakuryu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany1065 Posts
December 25 2016 12:43 GMT
#294
On December 25 2016 21:35 usopsama wrote:
[image loading]

This map pool though.

If Jaedong or hero get paired up with a protoss in the RO8, they are basically dead.


im grinning so hard right now :D
are you actually implying a map imbalance
with less than 15 games played.....
per match up....
over ALL 4 maps.

i mean, have you even watched the games?
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
December 25 2016 12:43 GMT
#295
On December 25 2016 21:36 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2016 21:34 Nemesis wrote:
That was quite a strong play by hero. I was quite impressed with his play.

He also almost had that game vs Bisu if he only didn't overcommit to his attack.

Have to wonder... who's the best Zerg right now, Jaedong or Hero?

Jaedong has a higher ceiling, but I don't think he's at it right now.




I think hero is a fair bit better at this very moment. I would never count out JD in a big game or series though. Some guys just "have it" when it comes to being a winner.

But in terms of overall skill level / polish in play, hero and Effort are both better bets than Jaedong for the time being.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
December 25 2016 12:45 GMT
#296
On December 25 2016 21:43 Bakuryu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2016 21:35 usopsama wrote:
[image loading]

This map pool though.

If Jaedong or hero get paired up with a protoss in the RO8, they are basically dead.


im grinning so hard right now :D
are you actually implying a map imbalance
with less than 15 games played.....
per match up....
over ALL 4 maps.

i mean, have you even watched the games?


So much this. Last time ppl were bitching because TvZ on FS is imba. Now PvZ on CB is imba too then?
sunbeams are never made like me...
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
December 25 2016 12:45 GMT
#297
On December 25 2016 21:35 usopsama wrote:
[image loading]

This map pool though.

If Jaedong or hero get paired up with a protoss in the RO8, they are basically dead.

it's not the map pool as the maps are just fine for zergs in zvp. It's just zergs playing dumb and gifting free wins for various reasons much like how terrans have been gifting free wins to zergs lately.
Moderator。◕‿◕。
Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
December 25 2016 12:48 GMT
#298
On December 25 2016 21:35 usopsama wrote:
[image loading]

This map pool though.

If Jaedong or hero get paired up with a protoss in the RO8, they are basically dead.


Did you actually just cite the winrates from ASL2 as the source to show that the race imbalance in ASL2 is due to the maps? That's impressively ridiculous.

Anyway, here's stats from old TLPD since the amatuer era one has very few entries:

Benzene
TvZ: 25-14 (64.1%)
ZvP: 27-28 (49.1%)
PvT: 19-20 (48.7%)

Circuit Breaker
TvZ: 64-57 (52.9%)
ZvP: 59-55 (51.8%)
PvT: 71-63 (53%)

Eye of the Storm
TvZ: 54-46 (54%)
ZvP: 43-30 (58.9%)
PvT: 52-43 (54.7%)

~
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-25 13:08:35
December 25 2016 13:04 GMT
#299
I think I'm gonna love love love this Ro8.

You could make good cases for at least six of the players having a good shot at winning it all... Bisu, Stork, Best, Flash (yep, think he'll advance), Zero, Jaedong.

Some really good games to come.



User was warned for being hilarious
LaStScan
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1290 Posts
December 25 2016 13:09 GMT
#300
On December 25 2016 21:17 bovienchien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2016 21:04 usopsama wrote:
[image loading]

this picture is so different from the Ro16 picture.

Flash, Sea will be 2 last Terran of this season but I won't surprise when have no any Terran advance ro8.

It's so sad today for me and for fan Terran.


the moment when they decided to put benzene for final match..
Trying my best for ASL, ASTL
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