On December 20 2016 21:06 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: That's so poor for multiple reasons - he saw the drone attack him from the very top. Nobody sends a drone out that early that's gone horizontally left and then goes vertically downward. Unless it was super cheesy, in which case you'd bring the marines back early before.
How fucking hilarious.
Exactly to a pro this should never happen.
It's not the first time something like this happened. Luxury 5pools Leta in the following vod and the scv clearly sees the lings but Leta's reaction was as if he didnt notice the lings in the first place ie no wall and building rax in location where lings can kill rines on spawn. He also decided to make factory instead of bunker too.
Funnily enough, Leta was one of those guys who could never get past the best players. He's choked away numerous games against Flash and I don't think he's ever beaten Jaedong before.
in the words of artosis: "leta was the most fucking overrated player in the world and people should feel terrible for hyping him up so much"
(not verbatim but yeah you get my drift)
Harsh.
Isn't Leta just another one of those guys, like FBH and Sea, who was better in ProLeague than in individual tourneys?
On December 20 2016 21:13 4Servy wrote: What happened to pvz though?, back in the day zergs stomped all over protoss not being Bisu. However in this and the last ASL season, PvZ seems the most ''imbalanced'' match up. Zerg dont seem to be able to contest the protoss ball anymore and end up being equal in bases.
Up until recently, Zergs did stomp all over every Protoss not named Bisu (actually, Bisu himself fell to a personal low winrate one time.) Idk what happened in the gap though.
1. This set of maps might just be more Protoss favored.
2. Might be giant fluke, it is just 10 or so games, if we had a proleague season with over 50 PvZs, maybe we could get more accurate stats.
I agree with this, in the fact the sample size is to small. But in the way the pvz matches look this ASL the returning patern seems to be that zerg cannot contest the protoss ball anymore and falls behind on macro. We saw this even on older maps like circuit breaker which is around for long. Maybe protoss army movement has been so crisp that zerg can no longer abuse crackling snipes in the late game, I dont know im by no means a pvz expert.
It could indeed by a fluke but I dont belive in flukes for all pvz games in the most important tournament SC BW has right now.
On December 20 2016 21:06 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: That's so poor for multiple reasons - he saw the drone attack him from the very top. Nobody sends a drone out that early that's gone horizontally left and then goes vertically downward. Unless it was super cheesy, in which case you'd bring the marines back early before.
How fucking hilarious.
Exactly to a pro this should never happen.
It's not the first time something like this happened. Luxury 5pools Leta in the following vod and the scv clearly sees the lings but Leta's reaction was as if he didnt notice the lings in the first place ie no wall and building rax in location where lings can kill rines on spawn. He also decided to make factory instead of bunker too.
Funnily enough, Leta was one of those guys who could never get past the best players. He's choked away numerous games against Flash and I don't think he's ever beaten Jaedong before.
in the words of artosis: "leta was the most fucking overrated player in the world and people should feel terrible for hyping him up so much"
(not verbatim but yeah you get my drift)
Harsh.
Isn't Leta just another one of those guys, like Sea and FBH, who was good in ProLeague but not in individual tourneys?
Leta got hyped because he had a single deep run in the MSL and had a hot ace match streak. I'm not really convinced he was better than Sea (when he wasn't slumping) or prime FBH in TvT and TvZ.
But like our Cheater Terran said, the only rival for Fantasy is Flash and not Leta.
On December 20 2016 21:13 4Servy wrote: What happened to pvz though?, back in the day zergs stomped all over protoss not being Bisu. However in this and the last ASL season, PvZ seems the most ''imbalanced'' match up. Zerg dont seem to be able to contest the protoss ball anymore and end up being equal in bases.
Up until recently, Zergs did stomp all over every Protoss not named Bisu (actually, Bisu himself fell to a personal low winrate one time.) Idk what happened in the gap though.
1. This set of maps might just be more Protoss favored.
2. Might be giant fluke, it is just 10 or so games, if we had a proleague season with over 50 PvZs, maybe we could get more accurate stats.
I agree with this, in the fact the sample size is to small. But in the way the pvz matches look this ASL the returning patern seems to be that zerg cannot contest the protoss ball anymore and falls behind on macro. We saw this even on older maps like circuit breaker which is around for long. Maybe protoss army movement has been so crisp that zerg can no longer abuse crackling snipes in the late game, I dont know im by no means a pvz expert.
It could indeed by a fluke but I dont belive in flukes for all pvz games in the most important tournament SC BW has right now.
Yes, but I tell you that Protoss was doing horribly prior to ASL 2, All the way from the death of OGN to ASL 2, Protoss were doing terribly versus Zerg.
It might just go back to normal in the next season of ASL 3
On December 20 2016 21:06 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: That's so poor for multiple reasons - he saw the drone attack him from the very top. Nobody sends a drone out that early that's gone horizontally left and then goes vertically downward. Unless it was super cheesy, in which case you'd bring the marines back early before.
How fucking hilarious.
Exactly to a pro this should never happen.
It's not the first time something like this happened. Luxury 5pools Leta in the following vod and the scv clearly sees the lings but Leta's reaction was as if he didnt notice the lings in the first place ie no wall and building rax in location where lings can kill rines on spawn. He also decided to make factory instead of bunker too.
Funnily enough, Leta was one of those guys who could never get past the best players. He's choked away numerous games against Flash and I don't think he's ever beaten Jaedong before.
in the words of artosis: "leta was the most fucking overrated player in the world and people should feel terrible for hyping him up so much"
(not verbatim but yeah you get my drift)
Harsh.
Isn't Leta just another one of those guys, like FBH and Sea, who was better in ProLeague than in individual tourneys?
Leta was great and I loved watching him, but he was no where near as good as FanTaSy.
Bo1 isnt as big of a deal in BW because theres way less variance, usually the best players end up winning. Yea you'll get the occasional 9pool vs proxy/cc first games but you rarely get back to back games like that, this isnt SC2 where you get way more B.O wins.
On December 20 2016 21:06 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: That's so poor for multiple reasons - he saw the drone attack him from the very top. Nobody sends a drone out that early that's gone horizontally left and then goes vertically downward. Unless it was super cheesy, in which case you'd bring the marines back early before.
How fucking hilarious.
Exactly to a pro this should never happen.
It's not the first time something like this happened. Luxury 5pools Leta in the following vod and the scv clearly sees the lings but Leta's reaction was as if he didnt notice the lings in the first place ie no wall and building rax in location where lings can kill rines on spawn. He also decided to make factory instead of bunker too.
Funnily enough, Leta was one of those guys who could never get past the best players. He's choked away numerous games against Flash and I don't think he's ever beaten Jaedong before.
in the words of artosis: "leta was the most fucking overrated player in the world and people should feel terrible for hyping him up so much"
(not verbatim but yeah you get my drift)
Harsh.
Isn't Leta just another one of those guys, like FBH and Sea, who was better in ProLeague than in individual tourneys?
Leta was great and I loved watching him, but he was no where near as good as FanTaSy.
I agreed. In 2012 Fantasy was the best player in the world.
On December 20 2016 21:06 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: That's so poor for multiple reasons - he saw the drone attack him from the very top. Nobody sends a drone out that early that's gone horizontally left and then goes vertically downward. Unless it was super cheesy, in which case you'd bring the marines back early before.
How fucking hilarious.
Exactly to a pro this should never happen.
It's not the first time something like this happened. Luxury 5pools Leta in the following vod and the scv clearly sees the lings but Leta's reaction was as if he didnt notice the lings in the first place ie no wall and building rax in location where lings can kill rines on spawn. He also decided to make factory instead of bunker too.
Funnily enough, Leta was one of those guys who could never get past the best players. He's choked away numerous games against Flash and I don't think he's ever beaten Jaedong before.
in the words of artosis: "leta was the most fucking overrated player in the world and people should feel terrible for hyping him up so much"
(not verbatim but yeah you get my drift)
Harsh.
Isn't Leta just another one of those guys, like FBH and Sea, who was better in ProLeague than in individual tourneys?
Considering there's only been four terran champions post-2007 (Mind, Flash, ForGG, and FanTaSy) era, every single terran who were formidible in the ProLeague during the same period (Sea, Leta, and Light) were under-performers in individual leagues. Mind and ForGG would be the exception to the general rule that terrans did much better in a ProLeague setting, and the lower bracket stages of the individual leagues.
I think people are going in hard on Leta way too much. Who else would you propose for the title of the second best terran behind Flash before FanTaSy? It's not as clear cut as one might imagine, and Leta is as good a candidate as any, in my opinion.
On December 20 2016 21:06 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: That's so poor for multiple reasons - he saw the drone attack him from the very top. Nobody sends a drone out that early that's gone horizontally left and then goes vertically downward. Unless it was super cheesy, in which case you'd bring the marines back early before.
How fucking hilarious.
Exactly to a pro this should never happen.
It's not the first time something like this happened. Luxury 5pools Leta in the following vod and the scv clearly sees the lings but Leta's reaction was as if he didnt notice the lings in the first place ie no wall and building rax in location where lings can kill rines on spawn. He also decided to make factory instead of bunker too.
Funnily enough, Leta was one of those guys who could never get past the best players. He's choked away numerous games against Flash and I don't think he's ever beaten Jaedong before.
in the words of artosis: "leta was the most fucking overrated player in the world and people should feel terrible for hyping him up so much"
(not verbatim but yeah you get my drift)
Harsh.
Isn't Leta just another one of those guys, like FBH and Sea, who was better in ProLeague than in individual tourneys?
Leta was great and I loved watching him, but he was no where near as good as FanTaSy.
Did not say he was.
Was just pointing out that there are some guys who are ProLeague guys, and that doesn't mean they suck, regardless of what Artosis says.
On December 20 2016 21:35 TT1 wrote: Bo1 isnt as big of a deal in BW because theres way less variance, usually the best players end up winning. Yea you'll get the occasional 9pool vs proxy/cc first games but you rarely get back to back games like that, this isnt SC2 where you get way more B.O wins.
Yeah, I feel this way too. Bo1 in BW feels pretty alright to me. In SC2 I would feel really frustrated, though.
On December 20 2016 21:06 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: That's so poor for multiple reasons - he saw the drone attack him from the very top. Nobody sends a drone out that early that's gone horizontally left and then goes vertically downward. Unless it was super cheesy, in which case you'd bring the marines back early before.
How fucking hilarious.
Exactly to a pro this should never happen.
It's not the first time something like this happened. Luxury 5pools Leta in the following vod and the scv clearly sees the lings but Leta's reaction was as if he didnt notice the lings in the first place ie no wall and building rax in location where lings can kill rines on spawn. He also decided to make factory instead of bunker too.
Funnily enough, Leta was one of those guys who could never get past the best players. He's choked away numerous games against Flash and I don't think he's ever beaten Jaedong before.
in the words of artosis: "leta was the most fucking overrated player in the world and people should feel terrible for hyping him up so much"
(not verbatim but yeah you get my drift)
Harsh.
Isn't Leta just another one of those guys, like FBH and Sea, who was better in ProLeague than in individual tourneys?
Leta was great and I loved watching him, but he was no where near as good as FanTaSy.
Did not say he was.
Was just pointing out that there are some guys who are ProLeague guys, and that doesn't mean they suck, regardless of what Artosis says.
Sorry, I think I quoted the wrong person!
Yeah, Artosis is just a dick in that regard. The people who did well in Proleague are just as deserving of praise as people who do well in individual tournaments.
He didn't get slaughtered by Jangbi. It was close and Fantasy made some mistakes in the end. I would put Fantasy above Jangbi in 2012 easily. Fantasy's showing was generally very strong while Jangbi always seemed to be a bit wonky and had a good portion of luck going in his way.
On December 20 2016 21:06 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: That's so poor for multiple reasons - he saw the drone attack him from the very top. Nobody sends a drone out that early that's gone horizontally left and then goes vertically downward. Unless it was super cheesy, in which case you'd bring the marines back early before.
How fucking hilarious.
Exactly to a pro this should never happen.
It's not the first time something like this happened. Luxury 5pools Leta in the following vod and the scv clearly sees the lings but Leta's reaction was as if he didnt notice the lings in the first place ie no wall and building rax in location where lings can kill rines on spawn. He also decided to make factory instead of bunker too.
Funnily enough, Leta was one of those guys who could never get past the best players. He's choked away numerous games against Flash and I don't think he's ever beaten Jaedong before.
in the words of artosis: "leta was the most fucking overrated player in the world and people should feel terrible for hyping him up so much"
(not verbatim but yeah you get my drift)
Harsh.
Isn't Leta just another one of those guys, like FBH and Sea, who was better in ProLeague than in individual tourneys?
Leta was great and I loved watching him, but he was no where near as good as FanTaSy.
Did not say he was.
Was just pointing out that there are some guys who are ProLeague guys, and that doesn't mean they suck, regardless of what Artosis says.
Sorry, I think I quoted the wrong person!
Yeah, Artosis is just a dick in that regard. The people who did well in Proleague are just as deserving of praise as people who do well in individual tournaments.
Yep, I kinda think of the really good ProLeague guys as the unsung heroes of BW.
No individual glory, but like good offensive linemen in football, they get a lot done for their teams.
(sorry, I know you Brits don't consider American football to be football, lol).
On December 20 2016 21:06 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: That's so poor for multiple reasons - he saw the drone attack him from the very top. Nobody sends a drone out that early that's gone horizontally left and then goes vertically downward. Unless it was super cheesy, in which case you'd bring the marines back early before.
How fucking hilarious.
Exactly to a pro this should never happen.
It's not the first time something like this happened. Luxury 5pools Leta in the following vod and the scv clearly sees the lings but Leta's reaction was as if he didnt notice the lings in the first place ie no wall and building rax in location where lings can kill rines on spawn. He also decided to make factory instead of bunker too.
Funnily enough, Leta was one of those guys who could never get past the best players. He's choked away numerous games against Flash and I don't think he's ever beaten Jaedong before.
in the words of artosis: "leta was the most fucking overrated player in the world and people should feel terrible for hyping him up so much"
(not verbatim but yeah you get my drift)
Harsh.
Isn't Leta just another one of those guys, like FBH and Sea, who was better in ProLeague than in individual tourneys?
Leta was great and I loved watching him, but he was no where near as good as FanTaSy.
Did not say he was.
Was just pointing out that there are some guys who are ProLeague guys, and that doesn't mean they suck, regardless of what Artosis says.
Sorry, I think I quoted the wrong person!
Yeah, Artosis is just a dick in that regard. The people who did well in Proleague are just as deserving of praise as people who do well in individual tournaments.
Yep, I kinda think of the really good ProLeague guys as the unsung heroes of BW.
No individual glory, but like good offensive linemen in football, they get a lot done for their teams.
(sorry, I know you Brits don't consider American football to be football, lol).
He didn't get slaughtered by Jangbi. It was close and Fantasy made some mistakes in the end. I would put Fantasy above Jangbi in 2012 easily. Fantasy's showing was generally very strong while Jangbi always seemed to be a bit wonky and had a good portion of luck going in his way.
They were the top 2 players in the world, period.
While I'm a huge JangBi fan, I have absolutely no problem when people put FanTaSy over him in those waning years of professional play. If it hadn't ended there, perhaps we would have seen them separate themselves further from the rest of the scene.
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