On December 20 2016 21:13 4Servy wrote: What happened to pvz though?, back in the day zergs stomped all over protoss not being Bisu. However in this and the last ASL season, PvZ seems the most ''imbalanced'' match up. Zerg dont seem to be able to contest the protoss ball anymore and end up being equal in bases.
What are you talking about PvZ is very Zerg favored right now.
Edit: Well this season it seems, looking at the statistics you are right, which is really strange since Zergs were raping protoss 2013 to 2016
On December 20 2016 21:13 4Servy wrote: What happened to pvz though?, back in the day zergs stomped all over protoss not being Bisu. However in this and the last ASL season, PvZ seems the most ''imbalanced'' match up. Zerg dont seem to be able to contest the protoss ball anymore and end up being equal in bases.
Up until recently, Zergs did stomp all over every Protoss not named Bisu (actually, Bisu himself fell to a personal low winrate one time.) Idk what happened in the gap though.
On December 20 2016 21:13 4Servy wrote: What happened to pvz though?, back in the day zergs stomped all over protoss not being Bisu. However in this and the last ASL season, PvZ seems the most ''imbalanced'' match up. Zerg dont seem to be able to contest the protoss ball anymore and end up being equal in bases.
Statistical outlier.
Also I guess most zerg focus on training ZvT, and neglect ZvP.
Mind saw jeadong's drone who scout early but I don't understand Mind didn't know Jeadonng's hatch in the top left even he scouted into there and Mind save little his time when he left to other location quickly.
On December 20 2016 21:06 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: That's so poor for multiple reasons - he saw the drone attack him from the very top. Nobody sends a drone out that early that's gone horizontally left and then goes vertically downward. Unless it was super cheesy, in which case you'd bring the marines back early before.
How fucking hilarious.
Exactly to a pro this should never happen.
It's not the first time something like this happened. Luxury 5pools Leta in the following vod and the scv clearly sees the lings but Leta's reaction was as if he didnt notice the lings in the first place ie no wall and building rax in location where lings can kill rines on spawn. He also decided to make factory instead of bunker too.
On December 20 2016 21:15 bovienchien wrote: Mind saw jeadong's drone who scout early but I don't understand Mind didn't know Jeadonng's hatch in the top left even he scouted into there and Mind save little his time when he left to other location quickly.
On December 20 2016 21:15 bovienchien wrote: Mind saw jeadong's drone who scout early but I don't understand Mind didn't know Jeadonng's hatch in the top left even he scouted into there and Mind save little his time when he left to other location quickly.
That drone was way, WAY too early to be a scout from top right. Mind had a brain fart... Or a mind fart if you will!
On December 20 2016 21:13 4Servy wrote: What happened to pvz though?, back in the day zergs stomped all over protoss not being Bisu. However in this and the last ASL season, PvZ seems the most ''imbalanced'' match up. Zerg dont seem to be able to contest the protoss ball anymore and end up being equal in bases.
Up until recently, Zergs did stomp all over every Protoss not named Bisu (actually, Bisu himself fell to a personal low winrate one time.) Idk what happened in the gap though.
1. This set of maps might just be more Protoss favored.
2. Might be giant fluke, it is just 10 or so games, if we had a proleague season with over 50 PvZs, maybe we could get more accurate stats.
On December 20 2016 21:15 Nerchio wrote: Is there any worse format that you can come up with other than bo1s
Round robin takes longer time. 4 people in a round of robin takes six games, whereas double elimination best of one format takes five games for four people, which makes for easier scheduling for broadcasters. It's scheduling decision, quite simply speaking.
On December 20 2016 21:06 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: That's so poor for multiple reasons - he saw the drone attack him from the very top. Nobody sends a drone out that early that's gone horizontally left and then goes vertically downward. Unless it was super cheesy, in which case you'd bring the marines back early before.
How fucking hilarious.
Exactly to a pro this should never happen.
It's not the first time something like this happened. Luxury 5pools Leta in the following vod and the scv clearly sees the lings but Leta's reaction was as if he didnt notice the lings in the first place ie no wall and building rax in location where lings can kill rines on spawn. He also decided to make factory instead of bunker too.
Funnily enough, Leta was one of those guys who could never get past the best players. He's choked away numerous games against Flash and I don't think he's ever beaten Jaedong before.
On December 20 2016 21:15 Nerchio wrote: Is there any worse format that you can come up with other than bo1s
Round robin takes longer time. 4 people in a round of robin takes six games, whereas double elimination best of one format takes five games for four people, which makes for easier scheduling for broadcasters. It's scheduling decision, quite simply speaking.
Also, you don't have to deal with potential tiebreakers.
On December 20 2016 21:06 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: That's so poor for multiple reasons - he saw the drone attack him from the very top. Nobody sends a drone out that early that's gone horizontally left and then goes vertically downward. Unless it was super cheesy, in which case you'd bring the marines back early before.
How fucking hilarious.
Exactly to a pro this should never happen.
It's not the first time something like this happened. Luxury 5pools Leta in the following vod and the scv clearly sees the lings but Leta's reaction was as if he didnt notice the lings in the first place ie no wall and building rax in location where lings can kill rines on spawn. He also decided to make factory instead of bunker too.
Funnily enough, Leta was one of those guys who could never get past the best players. He's choked away numerous games against Flash and I don't think he's ever beaten Jaedong before.
He won his last two games vs JD. There was a 2port game on icarus and then a really nice build on Jade where he denied all scouting from JD with Goliaths and made JD think it was a mech build but Leta had switched back into bio.
On December 20 2016 21:06 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: That's so poor for multiple reasons - he saw the drone attack him from the very top. Nobody sends a drone out that early that's gone horizontally left and then goes vertically downward. Unless it was super cheesy, in which case you'd bring the marines back early before.
How fucking hilarious.
Exactly to a pro this should never happen.
It's not the first time something like this happened. Luxury 5pools Leta in the following vod and the scv clearly sees the lings but Leta's reaction was as if he didnt notice the lings in the first place ie no wall and building rax in location where lings can kill rines on spawn. He also decided to make factory instead of bunker too.
Funnily enough, Leta was one of those guys who could never get past the best players. He's choked away numerous games against Flash and I don't think he's ever beaten Jaedong before.
in the words of artosis: "leta was the most fucking overrated player in the world and people should feel terrible for hyping him up so much"
On December 20 2016 21:15 Nerchio wrote: Is there any worse format that you can come up with other than bo1s
Round robin takes longer time. 4 people in a round of robin takes six games, whereas double elimination best of one format takes five games for four people, which makes for easier scheduling for broadcasters. It's scheduling decision, quite simply speaking.
Yah. And round robins can result in numerous tiebreakers on top of that, too.
On December 20 2016 21:06 coolprogrammingstuff wrote: That's so poor for multiple reasons - he saw the drone attack him from the very top. Nobody sends a drone out that early that's gone horizontally left and then goes vertically downward. Unless it was super cheesy, in which case you'd bring the marines back early before.
How fucking hilarious.
Exactly to a pro this should never happen.
It's not the first time something like this happened. Luxury 5pools Leta in the following vod and the scv clearly sees the lings but Leta's reaction was as if he didnt notice the lings in the first place ie no wall and building rax in location where lings can kill rines on spawn. He also decided to make factory instead of bunker too.
Funnily enough, Leta was one of those guys who could never get past the best players. He's choked away numerous games against Flash and I don't think he's ever beaten Jaedong before.
in the words of artosis: "leta was the most fucking overrated player in the world and people should feel terrible for hyping him up so much"
(not verbatim but yeah you get my drift)
I believe he also said that Really was a superior player to Leta. Let that sink in for a moment.
On December 20 2016 21:13 4Servy wrote: What happened to pvz though?, back in the day zergs stomped all over protoss not being Bisu. However in this and the last ASL season, PvZ seems the most ''imbalanced'' match up. Zerg dont seem to be able to contest the protoss ball anymore and end up being equal in bases.
Statistical outlier.
Also I guess most zerg focus on training ZvT, and neglect ZvP.
I think this is partially due to the fact that overplayed maps such as Fighting Spirit ended up not being as balanced as people thought they were back in 2009.
These stats are very interesting though. Something I'm curious about is if Flash's winrate is lower in TvZ due to him just not being as good at it at the moment, or the fact that the field is just more competative than TvP. Last seems to have better records in TvZ than Flash overall, and versus certain opponents, so there is definitely improvements to be made, but I'm also wondering if the current practice environment even allows for players like Flash to be soo dominating since the practice environment is very different than it was back in the era of team houses.
On December 20 2016 21:15 Nerchio wrote: Is there any worse format that you can come up with other than bo1s
I agree, but it does take way longer if they are Bo3.
I think the elimination matches should be Bo3 and the initial should be Bo1, this alone would mean that the broadcast would be twice as long though due to an extra 3 to 6 games.
EPT
