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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
January 23 2016 11:28 GMT
#1001
On January 23 2016 20:06 c3rberUs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2016 20:00 LemOn wrote:
On January 23 2016 19:24 Plexa wrote:
On January 23 2016 19:23 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On January 23 2016 19:20 disciple wrote:
On January 23 2016 19:18 Plexa wrote:
On January 23 2016 19:17 disciple wrote:
God im salty

Here, let me help you, http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/127971-effort-is-still-bad

If anything todays result fuels hotbids nonsensical argument that effort is as good as the big 4. I bet hb is smug as fuck right now


who are the big 4?

bisu stork jaedong flash

Stork? there were more acomplished players than him no?

Take a good look at Stork's body of work pls.

Also Storks record against Flash is pretty much 50/50, while he has winning records against both Jaedong and Bisu and thats over like 30 games playing against each one of them
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
~ava
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada378 Posts
January 23 2016 11:29 GMT
#1002
just starting watching the replay http://afreeca.tv/36855042/v/21551

I haven't watched BW in a year. I forgot how exciting this is!
_Animus_
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-23 11:46:07
January 23 2016 11:29 GMT
#1003
Seeing how Bisu handles high templars in game 1 makes me sad.
Game 2 Bisu cant micro zealots, wtf?
G3 awesome, reaver corsair works !!!
Luv ya BroodWar!
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
January 23 2016 11:30 GMT
#1004
Awesome news!
maru lover forever
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
January 23 2016 11:38 GMT
#1005
On January 23 2016 20:28 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2016 20:06 c3rberUs wrote:
On January 23 2016 20:00 LemOn wrote:
On January 23 2016 19:24 Plexa wrote:
On January 23 2016 19:23 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On January 23 2016 19:20 disciple wrote:
On January 23 2016 19:18 Plexa wrote:
On January 23 2016 19:17 disciple wrote:
God im salty

Here, let me help you, http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/127971-effort-is-still-bad

If anything todays result fuels hotbids nonsensical argument that effort is as good as the big 4. I bet hb is smug as fuck right now


who are the big 4?

bisu stork jaedong flash

Stork? there were more acomplished players than him no?

Take a good look at Stork's body of work pls.

Also Storks record against Flash is pretty much 50/50, while he has winning records against both Jaedong and Bisu and thats over like 30 games playing against each one of them


really? I don't think I've ever seen a Stork game where he hasn't been demolished by those guys
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
January 23 2016 11:40 GMT
#1006
Stork even beat Flash with scouts.
Moderator。◕‿◕。
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
January 23 2016 11:43 GMT
#1007
On January 23 2016 20:40 Harem wrote:
Stork even beat Flash with scouts.


Lol, what?
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
January 23 2016 11:46 GMT
#1008
Moderator。◕‿◕。
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
January 23 2016 11:56 GMT
#1009
On January 23 2016 20:46 Harem wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY7YMEdPip0


haha!
_Animus_
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-23 12:09:44
January 23 2016 12:03 GMT
#1010
Good games Effort completelly outplayed Bisu who was very bad with his micro today. Game 4 with 4 on 4 bases, Bisu walking around needleslly with his army without doing anything but bleed units, instead of harassing zerg mineral lines or something like that to stop zerg unit growth - the choke is real.
Luv ya BroodWar!
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
January 23 2016 12:06 GMT
#1011
I think we've discovered Bisu is like the fictional character Samson, apart from his power is in his Eyebrows.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8509 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-23 12:17:48
January 23 2016 12:16 GMT
#1012
On January 23 2016 20:18 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2016 19:20 disciple wrote:
On January 23 2016 19:18 Plexa wrote:
On January 23 2016 19:17 disciple wrote:
God im salty

Here, let me help you, http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/127971-effort-is-still-bad

If anything todays result fuels hotbids nonsensical argument that effort is as good as the big 4. I bet hb is smug as fuck right now


Bisu - PvZ is his worst matchup



Funny how things change. PvZ was once his strongest match up. Although I think that it is still on par with the rest of his match ups. It's just that we have no noticable protoss beside him and all the terrans are either mediocre or slumping (and mediocre because of that). Zerg is the only race with multiple strong contenders.
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
January 23 2016 12:28 GMT
#1013
all the terrans are either mediocre or slumping


Hopefully that change soon!
_Animus_
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria1064 Posts
January 23 2016 13:10 GMT
#1014
On January 23 2016 21:16 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2016 20:18 BisuDagger wrote:
On January 23 2016 19:20 disciple wrote:
On January 23 2016 19:18 Plexa wrote:
On January 23 2016 19:17 disciple wrote:
God im salty

Here, let me help you, http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/127971-effort-is-still-bad

If anything todays result fuels hotbids nonsensical argument that effort is as good as the big 4. I bet hb is smug as fuck right now


Bisu - PvZ is his worst matchup



Funny how things change. PvZ was once his strongest match up. Although I think that it is still on par with the rest of his match ups. It's just that we have no noticable protoss beside him and all the terrans are either mediocre or slumping (and mediocre because of that). Zerg is the only race with multiple strong contenders.

I think Bisu age starting to tell its word, he isnt the same multitasking machine that he used to be, and with zerg being the more mobile race he cant keep up anymore against top players.
Luv ya BroodWar!
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6177 Posts
January 23 2016 13:11 GMT
#1015
Sad that Bisu couldn't make it. Effort played way better this series.
feckless
Profile Joined July 2015
1099 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-23 13:32:33
January 23 2016 13:30 GMT
#1016
On January 23 2016 20:28 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2016 20:06 c3rberUs wrote:
On January 23 2016 20:00 LemOn wrote:
On January 23 2016 19:24 Plexa wrote:
On January 23 2016 19:23 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On January 23 2016 19:20 disciple wrote:
On January 23 2016 19:18 Plexa wrote:
On January 23 2016 19:17 disciple wrote:
God im salty

Here, let me help you, http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/127971-effort-is-still-bad

If anything todays result fuels hotbids nonsensical argument that effort is as good as the big 4. I bet hb is smug as fuck right now


who are the big 4?

bisu stork jaedong flash

Stork? there were more acomplished players than him no?

Take a good look at Stork's body of work pls.

Also Storks record against Flash is pretty much 50/50, while he has winning records against both Jaedong and Bisu and thats over like 30 games playing against each one of them

Not that you're wrong, but to be fair, if he is "pretty much 50/50" against Flash, then he is also "pretty much 50/50" against JD. It's a winning record, sure, but still nearly 50/50. I say this because, interestingly, he seems to have played the exact same number of games against both:
vs. Flash: 13 - 14;
vs. Jaedong: 14 - 13.

Not that this diminishes Stork's achievements in any way. In fact, quite the opposite. Appears to be (nearly) dead even with Flash and JD and a positive record vs. Bisu.

I miss that era sometimes.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
January 23 2016 14:28 GMT
#1017
Yo I wanted to hype stork. Otherwise I wouldve said he has a losing record against falsh, pretty much even with jd and positive against bisu but losing the most important match vs him
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Xeln4g4
Profile Joined January 2005
Italy1209 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-23 14:32:20
January 23 2016 14:29 GMT
#1018
I am not going to say what i think, because i was already warned ... but Bisu played really well IMHO. In game one he couldn't make more, same in game 4 where you can only count 2 "bad" mistakes (losing 2 shuttles in late game, when he had to control 200/200 army). But i tell you one thing ... it's not Bisu getting old, not Bisu unshaped ... and it's not even Effort who certainly played a great series ... SC2 PvZ it's like stealing candies from children compared to SC-BW.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19239 Posts
January 23 2016 16:34 GMT
#1019
On January 23 2016 23:29 Xeln4g4 wrote:
I am not going to say what i think, because i was already warned ... but Bisu played really well IMHO. In game one he couldn't make more, same in game 4 where you can only count 2 "bad" mistakes (losing 2 shuttles in late game, when he had to control 200/200 army). But i tell you one thing ... it's not Bisu getting old, not Bisu unshaped ... and it's not even Effort who certainly played a great series ... SC2 PvZ it's like stealing candies from children compared to SC-BW.

The most disconcerting thing are these children with candles. Why are the parents letting kids have candles and who would want to steal them?
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
B1nary
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada1267 Posts
January 23 2016 16:38 GMT
#1020
Effort came along a few years later than Stork/Bisu/JD/Flash but I think there was a period of time (2009?) when he was as good as the big 4. He just didn't perform well enough over a long time period to be recognized as one the greats. Regarding Stork, I think TL gives him a harder time than he deserves because of all the silver/choke artist jokes. He happened to be on the receiving end of the other big 4's up-and-coming but IMO he was the most consistently strong player over time.
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