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Tsutchie
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia951 Posts
July 23 2012 14:49 GMT
#181
On July 23 2012 13:24 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
LOL i can't believe you remember about flash saving kal's life


i can't believe i forgot about such a godly event.
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
July 23 2012 14:52 GMT
#182
On July 21 2012 01:23 alffla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 01:19 TheShimmy wrote:
Im sorry but I do believe that if Flash is Bonjwa then so is JD.


flash isn't bonjwa he's 'god'

Flash is one of the Bonjwas. Compared to the other bonjwas, Flash is a Bonjwa, so he's Bonjwa^2 :D

Bonjwa^2 = God.

That's how I understand it .
"Start yo" -FlaSh
ThreeActPlay
Profile Joined April 2011
United States249 Posts
July 23 2012 15:23 GMT
#183
On July 23 2012 13:09 rift wrote:
Saving Kal's life cemented his bonjwa status, according to Korean rules.

i need to know more. please tell.
twitter.com/haethos
ThreeActPlay
Profile Joined April 2011
United States249 Posts
July 23 2012 15:24 GMT
#184
On July 21 2012 03:19 ChriS-X wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 08:48 Release wrote:
On July 20 2012 08:36 Xiphos wrote:
On July 20 2012 08:32 Medry wrote:
I remember reading this awhile ago and thinking "How the hell would they even AFFORD to make a diamond mouse".
And i'm curious, is the golden mouse solid gold, gold coated, or some kind of fake gold?


Its solid gold. Stork said that if Jd and Flash sold both of their mouses, there would be at least couple of OSLs left to go

I think that's a little bit cold of stork, even if it was a joke. They earned it and deserved far more.

they can always make a silver mouse for stork


this could be the sickest burn i've seen in like a year
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
July 23 2012 16:03 GMT
#185
On July 20 2012 08:36 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 08:32 Medry wrote:
I remember reading this awhile ago and thinking "How the hell would they even AFFORD to make a diamond mouse".
And i'm curious, is the golden mouse solid gold, gold coated, or some kind of fake gold?


Its solid gold. Stork said that if Jd and Flash sold both of their mouses, there would be at least couple of OSLs left to go


It contains 200 g of real gold, out of 375 g of its total weight
http://fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=98461&db=issue

Also, the platinum mouse was planned for 5 OSL wins and diamond for 7. They haven't really talked about any of this since Nada lost to Savior.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-23 16:05:00
July 23 2012 16:04 GMT
#186
On July 24 2012 00:23 ThreeActPlay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 13:09 rift wrote:
Saving Kal's life cemented his bonjwa status, according to Korean rules.

i need to know more. please tell.


i think this was during WCG, Kal was drowning as he slipped into a pool, and Flash saved him.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=158324
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
July 23 2012 16:38 GMT
#187
On July 24 2012 01:04 Cambium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 00:23 ThreeActPlay wrote:
On July 23 2012 13:09 rift wrote:
Saving Kal's life cemented his bonjwa status, according to Korean rules.

i need to know more. please tell.


i think this was during WCG, Kal was drowning as he slipped into a pool, and Flash saved him.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=158324

but i'm confused, isn't god supposed to walk on water ?
I like starcraft
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
July 23 2012 21:08 GMT
#188
The only way Flash isn't bonjwa is if you specifically define "bonjwa" as "Boxer, Nada, Oov, Savior, and not Flash."
May the BeSt man win.
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
July 23 2012 22:56 GMT
#189
If Flash isn't a bonjwa yet he dominated more than all the other bonjwas then people might want to reconsider what it actually means (and there doesn't seem to be one meaning)
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KivA
Profile Joined February 2012
United States38 Posts
July 24 2012 12:23 GMT
#190
Flash is not a bonjwa you people. You guys don't even understand Korean 100%. The main reason is that all the bonjwas were royal roader but flash was not. However flash is considered as God which is above than bonjwa line. He has better records than any other bonjwas.
Sgany
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom790 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-24 13:08:13
July 24 2012 13:07 GMT
#191
On July 24 2012 21:23 KivA wrote:
Flash is not a bonjwa you people. You guys don't even understand Korean 100%. The main reason is that all the bonjwas were royal roader but flash was not. However flash is considered as God which is above than bonjwa line. He has better records than any other bonjwas.


But he had an easier time getting that record. Consider NaDa who had to compete with Oov, July, Boxer, Savior, XellOs, etc all peaking. Flash had his best run when only Jaedong was playing decently, as soon as Fantasy and Jangbi began to play decently Flash never won anything. Flash does not deserve to mentioned along side the 4 Bonjwas, they are far above him.
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NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
July 24 2012 13:14 GMT
#192
On July 24 2012 22:07 Sgany wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 21:23 KivA wrote:
Flash is not a bonjwa you people. You guys don't even understand Korean 100%. The main reason is that all the bonjwas were royal roader but flash was not. However flash is considered as God which is above than bonjwa line. He has better records than any other bonjwas.


But he had an easier time getting that record. Consider NaDa who had to compete with Oov, July, Boxer, Savior, XellOs, etc all peaking. Flash had his best run when only Jaedong was playing decently, as soon as Fantasy and Jangbi began to play decently Flash never won anything. Flash does not deserve to mentioned along side the 4 Bonjwas, they are far above him.

Flash was just so good that he made everyone seem like slumping,

Seriously though, if "Flash had his best run when only Jaedong was playing decently," and he defeated JD quite a lot of times, then he IS literally unrivaled which is = bonjwa. Might be because everyone was actually slumping, but that still makes him "unrivaled."
"Start yo" -FlaSh
ThreeActPlay
Profile Joined April 2011
United States249 Posts
July 24 2012 15:19 GMT
#193
On July 24 2012 01:04 Cambium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 00:23 ThreeActPlay wrote:
On July 23 2012 13:09 rift wrote:
Saving Kal's life cemented his bonjwa status, according to Korean rules.

i need to know more. please tell.


i think this was during WCG, Kal was drowning as he slipped into a pool, and Flash saved him.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=158324



this story is fucking cash money. i love how jd saved someone without even knowing HOW to swim wtf
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37120 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-26 01:49:24
July 26 2012 01:49 GMT
#194
On July 20 2012 11:06 SeeKeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 01:03 Jealous wrote:
On July 20 2012 00:41 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
since BW OSLs are ending i thought i'd revive this. i remember back when this thread started, we thought it would be NaDa, later on some thought savior and then jaedong, but i personally never thought it would end before someone got platinum.

it breaks my heart flash won't be able to shoot for platinum or gold, even though he's still so young. bonjwa at 19, but anything beyond the golden mouse are now just 'what-if's' =/

1. Flash has a Golden Mouse.
2. He was not Bonjwa.

uhhhh....

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Bonjwa

Yeah no. He's bonjwa

I'm quoting this message for one reason:

Jealous, I apologize for what I said. It seems I was too hasty in responding to your comment. I now see that you only meant people considered him beyond bonjwa and to the status of god. You were not making a comment insinuating that Flash was not a bonjwa, rather than that you were trying to state that he was beyond that.

In which case I thoroughly apologize for that and for any future arguments that may have arose from my comment.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10403 Posts
July 26 2012 01:51 GMT
#195
On July 26 2012 10:49 SeeKeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 11:06 SeeKeR wrote:
On July 20 2012 01:03 Jealous wrote:
On July 20 2012 00:41 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
since BW OSLs are ending i thought i'd revive this. i remember back when this thread started, we thought it would be NaDa, later on some thought savior and then jaedong, but i personally never thought it would end before someone got platinum.

it breaks my heart flash won't be able to shoot for platinum or gold, even though he's still so young. bonjwa at 19, but anything beyond the golden mouse are now just 'what-if's' =/

1. Flash has a Golden Mouse.
2. He was not Bonjwa.

uhhhh....

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Bonjwa

Yeah no. He's bonjwa

I'm quoting this message for one reason:

Jealous, I apologize for what I said. It seems I was too hasty in responding to your comment. I now see that you only meant people considered him beyond bonjwa and to the status of god. You were not making a comment insinuating that Flash was not a bonjwa, rather than that you were trying to state that he was beyond that.

In which case I thoroughly apologize for that and for any future arguments that may have arose from my comment.

No problem. Just want to reiterate in short to the people above this post still arguing, Flash is NOT Bonjwa. He IS God. It is not up to us to decide - the Koreans do that for us.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
nbaker
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1342 Posts
July 26 2012 02:02 GMT
#196
Lol, I remember people saying Koreans had decided he was a bonjwa after he beat Jaedong and won the duel finals. In any case, like people have said, it doesn't matter at all because he's achieved way more than any of the bonjwas except for arguably Nada. I'll always remember him as the best Broodwar player of all time.
Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines1017 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-08 06:40:34
July 08 2022 06:39 GMT
#197
sorry to necro a thread, but do you guys think ASL should count as OSL win? or is the competition not equivalent to how it was in the KeSpa golden age era?

because if you combine flash's 3 OSL wins with his 4 ASL wins, he'd have the 5x platinum mouse and the 7x diamond mouse. in my heart, flash has both those trophies

also flash's 3peat ASL win counts for something spectacular too
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7094 Posts
July 08 2022 12:04 GMT
#198
On July 08 2022 15:39 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
sorry to necro a thread, but do you guys think ASL should count as OSL win? or is the competition not equivalent to how it was in the KeSpa golden age era?

because if you combine flash's 3 OSL wins with his 4 ASL wins, he'd have the 5x platinum mouse and the 7x diamond mouse. in my heart, flash has both those trophies

also flash's 3peat ASL win counts for something spectacular too

So, taking this literally, ASL wins are (obviously) not OSL wins and you don't get any mouses for winning ASLs.

But if your purpose is to use league wins to measure career success and so to award imaginary diamond mouses, or something like this, then it would probably make sense to weigh KSL/ASL wins as somewhat less meaningful than OSL and MSL wins. Like you mention, the competition is not at the same level as it was back then.

So maybe you can do something like:
n of imaginary career success trophies = (OSL wins + MSL wins + 0.75 * KSL wins + 0.75 * ASL wins) / 3

where 0.75 is an arbitrary weight that tries to account for OSL and MSL wins being more prestigious.
Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-07-09 00:42:31
July 08 2022 21:29 GMT
#199
On July 26 2012 10:51 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2012 10:49 SeeKeR wrote:
On July 20 2012 11:06 SeeKeR wrote:
On July 20 2012 01:03 Jealous wrote:
On July 20 2012 00:41 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
since BW OSLs are ending i thought i'd revive this. i remember back when this thread started, we thought it would be NaDa, later on some thought savior and then jaedong, but i personally never thought it would end before someone got platinum.

it breaks my heart flash won't be able to shoot for platinum or gold, even though he's still so young. bonjwa at 19, but anything beyond the golden mouse are now just 'what-if's' =/

1. Flash has a Golden Mouse.
2. He was not Bonjwa.

uhhhh....

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Bonjwa

Yeah no. He's bonjwa

I'm quoting this message for one reason:

Jealous, I apologize for what I said. It seems I was too hasty in responding to your comment. I now see that you only meant people considered him beyond bonjwa and to the status of god. You were not making a comment insinuating that Flash was not a bonjwa, rather than that you were trying to state that he was beyond that.

In which case I thoroughly apologize for that and for any future arguments that may have arose from my comment.

No problem. Just want to reiterate in short to the people above this post still arguing, Flash is NOT Bonjwa. He IS God. It is not up to us to decide - the Koreans do that for us.


He has dominated multiple eras and every definition of bonjwa I've seen fits. The only way he is not a Bonjwa is if Koreans say no, because the word doesn't translate well. I have not heard any Koreans not consider him a bonjwa. Maybe we can have Scan be our guide
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1717 Posts
July 09 2022 12:31 GMT
#200
I feel like this is like arguing whether e-sports should be considered a sport. It doesn’t really matter
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