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FINALS!
Crimson Starleague Invitational Season 1 Finals!TIME: Sunday, Dec 15 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)COUNTDOWN
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Crimson_Starleague_Invitational
FINALS jacklinks vs  MVPRESULTS+ Show Spoiler + jacklinks <Neo Aztec> MVP jacklinks <Eye of the Storm> MVP jacklinks <Match Point> MVP jacklinks <Andromeda> MVP jacklinks <Neo Ground Zero> MVP jacklinks <Fighting Spirit> MVP jacklinks <Neo Aztec> MVP jacklinks 4 - 3 MVP
jacklinks Road to the Finals:- Advances into the Round-of-16 by defeating pSi2]TheMarine and RulzBoooM in the Round-of-32
- Advances into the Round-of-8 by defeating LTY (2-0) in the Round-of-16
- Advances into the Round-of-4 by defeating flyingjelly (2-0) in the Round-of-8
- Advances into the Finals by defeating castle[eMg] (3-1) in the Round-of-4.
MVP Road to the Finals:- Advances into the Round-of-16 by defeating dazed and flyingjelly in the Round-of-32
- Advances into the Round-of-8 by defeating CityShuffle (2-0) in the Round-of-16
- Advances into the Round-of-4 by defeating RulzBoooM (2-1) in the Round-of-8
- Advances into the Finals by defeating EleGant[AoV] (3-1) in the Round-of-4
Poll: Who will win the Finals?(z) jacklinks (16) 73% (p) MVP (6) 27% 22 total votes Your vote: Who will win the Finals? (Vote): (z) jacklinks
(Vote): (p) MVP
Poll: Who will win the Third-Place?(p) EleGant[AoV] (13) 57% (p) castle[eMg] (10) 43% 23 total votes Your vote: Who will win the Third-Place? (Vote): (p) castle[eMg]
(Vote): (p) EleGant[AoV]
MAP ORDERBest-of-7<Neo Aztec> <Eye of the Storm> <Match Point> <Andromeda> <Neo Ground Zero> <Fighting Spirit> <Neo Aztec>
INTERVIEWS jacklinks Interview+ Show Spoiler +SynC: What do you think of MVP's run in the league and are you impressed by his wins? jacklinks: hmm I've known MVP for awhile and I knew he had some skills, so I knew he was going to make it far in the tourny, but I didn't think he would make it passed [sic] Elegant, I was a tad surprised SynC: Do you see yourself as the favorite versus MVP? As many people are voting you to win... jacklinks: I dont see myself as a favorite, hes playing protoss after all, storm, goons and zealots all he needs to win SynC: Haha, that's all Protoss always needs to win... ;D What do you see as the strengths and weaknesses of MVP's Protoss game? Do you think he's prone to tilting after losing consecutive games, evidenced by his games with Sero? jacklinks: ahh honestly I haven't watched any of his recent games, I know he talks mad shit about everyone, I think thats his way of coping with losses SynC: He's told me on multiple occasions that he KNOWS he can beat you, slowly picking you apart in games and after a couple of losses, that you'll give up and lose the series. What are your comments on his predictions? jacklinks: lol, he used to beat me with better macro and I don't think that will help him this time. and last games I played vs him was ZVT on stream and won 2-1, he told people he won 3-1 so he lives in his own world, I'm not playing as crisp as i used to so he has a chance . As for giving up after a couple of losses that wont happen, pretty sure mvp will be really sour after losing a couple games. I just hope he keeps it civil either way the series goes SynC: Haha, your responses are so interesting... In the situation that he decides to talk trash to you during games, what can we expect from you in response? jacklinks: ummm I'm not going to trash talk him, but I do want to beat him so any shit he does say has no meaning behind it SynC: One more question before we close it off, who do you think will win between EleGant and castle, by what score, and why? jacklinks: PvP could go either way, but I'll give the edge to castle not sure if their match is bo5 or bo7 but I think it will go ace match with castle taking it jacklinks: now i know what its like for hotbids victims -.- too much pressure in interviews SynC: Haha, it's a Bo5... Unfortunately, I don't watch Hot_Bid, but I did see that he interviewed Jaedong and he responded in English, so that's cool.. SynC: Anyways, thanks for your time, and as a closing statement, any words for those who voted for you to beat MVP in the finals? jacklinks: Hopefully we have good games with me winning 4-0, but itll prolly be like 4-2 for me. Great tournament btw sync, i had a lot of fun and go smurfs CRTL finals woohoo SynC: Haha, yuh, thanks, and thanks again for your time :D jacklinks: ty  SynC: So, MVP, what do you think of jacklink's run in the league and how impressed are you about the quality of opponents he's faced and beaten?
MVP: i think he got the easy route, but i expected him to make it to the finals from the start
SynC: How do you feel about viewers picking jacklinks to be the favorite to win the Finals?
MVP: well 90% said elegant would win against me and look how that turned out, 3-1, and 1 loss because i decided i was so ahead i could try a random build that i never tried before
SynC: Ahh, so you're not phazed at all by any means? Would you say you're even more motivated to win because people see you as the underdog?
MVP: yeah people underestimating my skill makes my blood boil. it makes me want to do anything possible to prove them wrong. i should probably lay off dexter and start practicing, just checked polls 13 to 6. cant risk losing finals
SynC: Haha, haven't watched Dexter yet, but apparently, the finale was a bit iffy... So how confident would you say you can beat jacklinks, what score, and what would you say you can capitalize on a weakness of jacklinks, if he has one?
MVP: yeah dexter goes down after season 4, main writer leaves, im pretty confident, i think it'll be a easy 4-0, i think his weakness is he captilizes on game sense but doesnt have mechanics to back them up, ill try to do tri prong attacks etc to catch him off gaurd, really agressive builds
SynC: I think we all want to know... What kind of trash talking are you going to do during the game? ;D
MVP: none, until the very end. when i win i will tell him, i will pretend im a god and ask him to do what a obsessive believer would do: bow down, and pray that i have mercy next time i meet him etc. and also tell him he's no match for the mvp. if i lose than i'll be silent give him a congrats on winning
SynC: lol... Prideful if you win, humble if you lose, lol? So one more question before we end off the interview, any words for jacklinks if you two were talking right before the game started?
MVP: prepare for the anal penetration, im going in dry! thats all i would tell him, assert the dominance is key, ruin his mentality before game and its hilarious
SynC: Haha, indeed it is.. Classy until the very end of the day...
MVP: end on a high note right?
SynC: Yup! So to end it off, any plans on participating in Season 2 of the next Crimson Starleague?
MVP: if i get invited ye, ill participate for sure
SynC: Alright, thanks for your time, and good luck in the Finals :D
MVP: thanks
STREAMLIVE-CASThttp://twitch.tv/redaxis_
As a footnote, I'd like to add a thank you to all those who participated in the league and for playing and submitting replays in an organized fashion. Thank you to those who also helped me cast all the group games, thank you to Fabiano for creating the awesome banner, and congratulations to all of the players to jacklinks and MVP for making it to the finals. Congratulations to castle[eMg] and EleGant[AoV] as well, for making it all the way to the Semi-Finals.
For my first time organizing a league, I'd have to say it went fairly well, with almost all of the players playing their games with very little amount of inactivity and walkovers. For the viewers, I hope you all enjoyed the games and anticipate Season 2 within the following weeks.
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get third place castle :must1:
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GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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That first poll is useless... as if it were possible for Zerg to lose to a Protoss in bo7 :p
Anyway, jacklinks should be able to win this more or less easily.
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gogo Mote! I though you gonna make it to the finals, but 3rd place ain't bad too
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On December 09 2013 19:28 ggrrg wrote:
That first poll is useless... as if it were possible for Zerg to lose to a Protoss in bo7 :p
Anyway, jacklinks should be able to win this more or less easily.
.-. Hi. I lost to you bo7.
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On December 10 2013 05:54 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2013 19:28 ggrrg wrote:
That first poll is useless... as if it were possible for Zerg to lose to a Protoss in bo7 :p
Anyway, jacklinks should be able to win this more or less easily. .-. Hi. I lost to you bo7.
That was a rare anomaly, probably due to the fact that you slept something like only 3 hours before our match.
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On December 10 2013 07:35 ggrrg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 05:54 ghrur wrote:On December 09 2013 19:28 ggrrg wrote:
That first poll is useless... as if it were possible for Zerg to lose to a Protoss in bo7 :p
Anyway, jacklinks should be able to win this more or less easily. .-. Hi. I lost to you bo7. That was a rare anomaly, probably due to the fact that you slept something like only 3 hours before our match.
But I thought you were also drunk? O.o Maybe drinking helps people play better BW... Therefore, I should start drinking...
Anyways, scheduled time is looking to either be on Friday or Saturday, depending on whether jacklinks is available on Saturday, so stay tuned for the time of the live-cast!
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On December 10 2013 17:23 SynC[gm] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 07:35 ggrrg wrote:On December 10 2013 05:54 ghrur wrote:On December 09 2013 19:28 ggrrg wrote:
That first poll is useless... as if it were possible for Zerg to lose to a Protoss in bo7 :p
Anyway, jacklinks should be able to win this more or less easily. .-. Hi. I lost to you bo7. That was a rare anomaly, probably due to the fact that you slept something like only 3 hours before our match. But I thought you were also drunk? O.o Maybe drinking helps people play better BW... Therefore, I should start drinking... Anyways, scheduled time is looking to either be on Friday or Saturday, depending on whether jacklinks is available on Saturday, so stay tuned for the time of the live-cast!
Maybe to a certain extent to help you loosen up and relax, but if you drink too much then you won't be able to play at all. :-P
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Interviews posted and cast should be on Saturday... Just gotta decide on the time now...
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surprised i beat elegant? ur gonna be surprised when i 4-0 u
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get ur anus prepared this wont end well on saturday
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The only thing being cast on saturday currently afaik is the iccup ladder main event, so if you are trying to coordinate with that you can try casting any time in the afternoon, American time.
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On December 11 2013 21:51 Prodigy.MvP wrote:
surprised i beat elegant? ur gonna be surprised when i 4-0 u
You are such a cocky little child.
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On December 12 2013 08:20 GGzerG wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 21:51 Prodigy.MvP wrote:
surprised i beat elegant? ur gonna be surprised when i 4-0 u You are such a cocky little child.
Guess whose in the finals and whose not
"I have B rank offraces"
u couldnt even get into the finals of a C rank tour with ur main, ur so full of it
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On December 12 2013 05:10 dRaW wrote:
The only thing being cast on saturday currently afaik is the iccup ladder main event, so if you are trying to coordinate with that you can try casting any time in the afternoon, American time.
Any idea as to when the iCCup Event cast starts and ends? So far, we're either planning early morning or evening, North American time-wise, because I have work in the afternoon...
Of course, I wouldn't want the cast interfering with the iCCup Main Event, I would either want to start off the day with Brood War, or end the day.
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Time has been finalized, I will be live-casting at Sunday, Dec 15 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)!
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On December 12 2013 09:03 Prodigy.MvP wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 08:20 GGzerG wrote:On December 11 2013 21:51 Prodigy.MvP wrote:
surprised i beat elegant? ur gonna be surprised when i 4-0 u You are such a cocky little child. Guess whose in the finals and whose not "I have B rank offraces" u couldnt even get into the finals of a C rank tour with ur main, ur so full of it
lol...so young and naive, you love to make up fake records, and quotes as well I see...GL in finals buddy. And yes it wasn't expected for me to get to finals of a tournament with no practice.
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I went to talk to Castle earlier about playing our game, and he informed me that we would be playing live! And I'm afraid there's no way I could do this, at 2AM... I'm sorry, I have been away all week, and wasn't able to check in. Is there anything we can do? I don't want to just forfeit my match, that's a poor ending to this first season...
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On December 15 2013 07:55 ImbaTosS wrote:
I went to talk to Castle earlier about playing our game, and he informed me that we would be playing live! And I'm afraid there's no way I could do this, at 2AM... I'm sorry, I have been away all week, and wasn't able to check in. Is there anything we can do? I don't want to just forfeit my match, that's a poor ending to this first season...
Man up and play live!
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On December 15 2013 07:55 ImbaTosS wrote:
I went to talk to Castle earlier about playing our game, and he informed me that we would be playing live! And I'm afraid there's no way I could do this, at 2AM... I'm sorry, I have been away all week, and wasn't able to check in. Is there anything we can do? I don't want to just forfeit my match, that's a poor ending to this first season...
should take the walkover, it would be pretty embarassing if u played him, i think he has actual mechanics
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On December 15 2013 07:55 ImbaTosS wrote:
I went to talk to Castle earlier about playing our game, and he informed me that we would be playing live! And I'm afraid there's no way I could do this, at 2AM... I'm sorry, I have been away all week, and wasn't able to check in. Is there anything we can do? I don't want to just forfeit my match, that's a poor ending to this first season...
Play and save reps and we'll pretend its live. I didn't know these were live games, this will be cool.
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On December 15 2013 09:13 Prodigy.MvP wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 07:55 ImbaTosS wrote:
I went to talk to Castle earlier about playing our game, and he informed me that we would be playing live! And I'm afraid there's no way I could do this, at 2AM... I'm sorry, I have been away all week, and wasn't able to check in. Is there anything we can do? I don't want to just forfeit my match, that's a poor ending to this first season... should take the walkover, it would be pretty embarassing if u played him, i think he has actual mechanics
You guys hate each other or something? That was pretty out of the blue random bm...
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On December 15 2013 10:05 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 09:13 Prodigy.MvP wrote:On December 15 2013 07:55 ImbaTosS wrote:
I went to talk to Castle earlier about playing our game, and he informed me that we would be playing live! And I'm afraid there's no way I could do this, at 2AM... I'm sorry, I have been away all week, and wasn't able to check in. Is there anything we can do? I don't want to just forfeit my match, that's a poor ending to this first season... should take the walkover, it would be pretty embarassing if u played him, i think he has actual mechanics You guys hate each other or something? That was pretty out of the blue random bm...
is stating the truth considered me "hating him"? if so than i guess i do hate him
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On December 15 2013 10:28 Prodigy.MvP wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 10:05 L_Master wrote:On December 15 2013 09:13 Prodigy.MvP wrote:On December 15 2013 07:55 ImbaTosS wrote:
I went to talk to Castle earlier about playing our game, and he informed me that we would be playing live! And I'm afraid there's no way I could do this, at 2AM... I'm sorry, I have been away all week, and wasn't able to check in. Is there anything we can do? I don't want to just forfeit my match, that's a poor ending to this first season... should take the walkover, it would be pretty embarassing if u played him, i think he has actual mechanics You guys hate each other or something? That was pretty out of the blue random bm... is stating the truth considered me "hating him"? if so than i guess i do hate him
Stating the truth would be saying "I don't think Elegant will beat castle"
Talking about "embarrassing" and "actual mechanics", is loaded, insulting language; especially in light of Elegant having quite respectable mechanics for a yellow ranked toss.
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Power Outage
Double Citadel
Jacklinks' "doom drop"
and of course, mvp accusing jacklinks of stream-cheating
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/L3xbxmn.png)
rly epic srsz
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On December 15 2013 13:30 ninazerg wrote:Power Outage Double Citadel Jacklinks' "doom drop" and of course, mvp accusing jacklinks of stream-cheating rly epic srsz
LOL @ MVP's name in the stream chat, he could always just be logged into the stream chat and not the stream though, but in his case ....
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Glad to see MVP put in his place.
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lol i had stream open, after each game i was checking what he thought and shit, if i was actually cheating, i would log out of twitch or watch on TL so that it would mask my cheating anyways i was hoping danny wouldn't mention my pylon, in case he was watching, didnt think he was but just in case
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On December 15 2013 16:45 dRaW wrote:
so it was 4-2?
4-3
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On December 15 2013 16:41 Prodigy.MvP wrote:
if i was actually cheating, i would log out of twitch or watch on TL so that it would mask my cheating
Sounds like you know what you are talking about.
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Thanks for the awesome orga @ SynC. Was a really good tournament. Very well done!
Also gratz to the winners, must be feeling awesome earning some dollars with your BW skills, haha :D
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On December 15 2013 16:41 Prodigy.MvP wrote:
lol i had stream open, after each game i was checking what he thought and shit, if i was actually cheating, i would log out of twitch or watch on TL so that it would mask my cheating anyways i was hoping danny wouldn't mention my pylon, in case he was watching, didnt think he was but just in case
Which is why you said "I think he is listening to the stream" during game 7 right? really classless move to accuse someone of stream cheating during the match.
Congrats jacklinks
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On December 15 2013 09:13 Prodigy.MvP wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2013 07:55 ImbaTosS wrote:
I went to talk to Castle earlier about playing our game, and he informed me that we would be playing live! And I'm afraid there's no way I could do this, at 2AM... I'm sorry, I have been away all week, and wasn't able to check in. Is there anything we can do? I don't want to just forfeit my match, that's a poor ending to this first season... should take the walkover, it would be pretty embarassing if u played him, i think he has actual mechanics
You are such a joke.
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Bisutopia19223 Posts
Prodigy.MvP vs Telecom showmatch tomorrow. I'm calling you guys out. PM me if you are brave enough to accept this challenge. Winner gets ultimate bragging rights. Bo7 loser picks any map. Starting map fighting spirit.
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On December 18 2013 10:05 BisuDagger wrote:
Prodigy.MvP vs Telecom showmatch tomorrow. I'm calling you guys out. PM me if you are brave enough to accept this challenge. Winner gets ultimate bragging rights. Bo7 loser picks any map. Starting map fighting spirit.
just saw this...wtf is this? lol? since when does another person call out 2 other people to start a grudge match....you realize that all of my grudge matches have been live streamed and events on the TL calendar ? You think i'm just some random grudge matcher like MVP? I actually won all of my GM's ... I'm the KING of Grudge matches...
Not some child that starts grudge matches because people steal my account passwords....lol....
EDIT :
you already know what my answer will be.
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On December 18 2013 17:52 GGzerG wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 10:05 BisuDagger wrote:
Prodigy.MvP vs Telecom showmatch tomorrow. I'm calling you guys out. PM me if you are brave enough to accept this challenge. Winner gets ultimate bragging rights. Bo7 loser picks any map. Starting map fighting spirit. just saw this...wtf is this? lol? since when does another person call out 2 other people to start a grudge match....you realize that all of my grudge matches have been live streamed and events on the TL calendar ? You think i'm just some random grudge matcher like MVP? I actually won all of my GM's ... I'm the KING of Grudge matches... Not some child that starts grudge matches because people steal my account passwords....lol.... EDIT : you already know what my answer will be.
MvP was the only one man enough to PM. I guess we have to crown him by default.
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No more grudge matches for another month, yo, already had Sero vs MVP...
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On December 18 2013 22:12 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 17:52 GGzerG wrote:On December 18 2013 10:05 BisuDagger wrote:
Prodigy.MvP vs Telecom showmatch tomorrow. I'm calling you guys out. PM me if you are brave enough to accept this challenge. Winner gets ultimate bragging rights. Bo7 loser picks any map. Starting map fighting spirit. just saw this...wtf is this? lol? since when does another person call out 2 other people to start a grudge match....you realize that all of my grudge matches have been live streamed and events on the TL calendar ? You think i'm just some random grudge matcher like MVP? I actually won all of my GM's ... I'm the KING of Grudge matches... Not some child that starts grudge matches because people steal my account passwords....lol.... EDIT : you already know what my answer will be. MvP was the only one man enough to PM. I guess we have to crown him by default.
lmfao why would I PM You , if MVP wants to GM me he can make a thread or challenge me himself, what you are doing is some lame instigating shit....
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On December 19 2013 04:12 GGzerG wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 22:12 BisuDagger wrote:On December 18 2013 17:52 GGzerG wrote:On December 18 2013 10:05 BisuDagger wrote:
Prodigy.MvP vs Telecom showmatch tomorrow. I'm calling you guys out. PM me if you are brave enough to accept this challenge. Winner gets ultimate bragging rights. Bo7 loser picks any map. Starting map fighting spirit. just saw this...wtf is this? lol? since when does another person call out 2 other people to start a grudge match....you realize that all of my grudge matches have been live streamed and events on the TL calendar ? You think i'm just some random grudge matcher like MVP? I actually won all of my GM's ... I'm the KING of Grudge matches... Not some child that starts grudge matches because people steal my account passwords....lol.... EDIT : you already know what my answer will be. MvP was the only one man enough to PM. I guess we have to crown him by default. lmfao why would I PM You , if MVP wants to GM me he can make a thread or challenge me himself, what you are doing is some lame instigating shit....
Lol, I was put up to it by a secret committee of BW specialists. <3 No need for your grudge match if you don't want to have on. I've got what I needed. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=438696
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The amount of derp would be unbearable.
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Hi guys,
I made an account to post about this. I was watching the CRTL finals reps(they're publicly available -- https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2v86z81vynelxrp/8o9bNsJjmj/jacklinks vs MVP) mostly because there was accusations of stream cheating during the Finals when Prodigy_MvP accused JackLinks of stream cheating when his lings followed a probe into the 4th.
I can say having watched the game 7 replay that indeed JackLinks's hatchery had vision of the probe, and he was not cheating.
However, what I discovered was quite interesting: Prodigy_MvP was the one cheating! There's an incredibly high chance that he was cheating during games 6 and 7 when his tournament life was on the line.
Just read my evidence, then decide for yourself:
Obviously everyone has already seen that there is screenshot proof posted by Ninazerg that Prodigy_MvP was logged into the live stream during the crimson finals.
With that said, let's view the other evidence:
Game 6 Fighting Spirit: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2v86z81vynelxrp/YhD46x4iLh/jacklinks vs MVP/Game 6.rep
The significant evidence will be in bold.
First scout standard throughout the series.
12:50 An excellently timed attack to the newly formed base at 6:00. Could be lucky timing though.
16:44 He attacks the center base as well as the 6:00 base simultaneously by splitting his army up to attack both locations at once despite not having scouted these bases as being currently taken. Could be lucky attack pathing and guessing though.
19:18 He randomly decides to attack 3:00 without ANY prior knowledge of it. No scouting, nothing. Despite this base being extremely illogical for zerg to currently possess -- He doesn't bother attacking/checking any other bases.
Instead, he A moves his entire army to the undiscovered 3:00 base. He DOESNT check any other base after killing 3:00. Why? Because he knows they aren't taken. In fact, this is 20 mins into the game, and he hasn't scouted the bottom right a single time by this point, which is a likely base for zerg to possess.
Notice at 23:30~ he sends two DTs -- One to 5:00, and One to 6:00 -- ONLY after the zerg has taken both of them simultaneously. He's NEVER checked if 5:00 has been taken until this point despite the game being 23 minutes in. The timing is extremely suspicious in my mind. Notice how he doesnt check 3:00 or the center at this point.
Game 7 Neo Aztec: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2v86z81vynelxrp/3edkVVQgvO/jacklinks vs MVP/Game 7.rep
This game honestly has no explanation. The evidence is overwhelming, and I can't figure out a reason that the events could have taken place unless Prodigy_MvP was cheating.
At ~17:15 Prodigy_MvP seems to forget about the lurkers at his 3:00 base, and as such, he moves his army away. Meanwhile, JackLinks has now initiated stop lurkers at 3:00, so they won't attack probes immediately when they're transferred.
Prodigy_MvP makes a nexus and eventually begins transferring probes to that base. Clearly, he's forgotten about the stop lurkers, or else he would've killed them before transferring probes.
However, this is where it gets REALLY interesting. Check around 18:30. Now that probes have been transferred to 3:00 and have just started mining minerals, he immediately attacks 3:00 with his army and moves his probes away from 3:00 BEFORE lurkers have a chance to fire at probes as if he was warned by someone(a caster or someone watching the stream) that there were stop lurkers at 3:00 that he had missed with his army, and they were about to kill his probeline.
So despite, what we can assume to be a complete lack of knowledge of the stop lurkers at 3:00(If he knew they were there, he would've killed them with his army before transferring probes), we have a reaction to hidden units on the map before they have a chance to reveal themselves.
I think that the evidence combined indicates that Prodigy_MvP was cheating multiple times throughout the finals. It wasn't an isolated incident where someone messaged him once and he forgot to DND. It's clear to me that he had every intention to cheat to win, and he failed to do even that.
Watch the replays, and see if you agree -- especially the bolded parts. I don't think it's possible for the evidence to be more obvious though.
I honestly feel bad for sync[gm] because if Prodigy_MvP did cheat, and it seems incredibly likely that he did, then he just gave away ~$30 to a cheater who happened to get second place. A cheater who would have betrayed the trust of the entire BW community and all of the viewers who were watching the finals live. Nonetheless, a big thank you goes to sync[gm] for organizing this event and for releasing the replays publicly.
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woo wtf with bump about the finals with mvp cheating as I saw his name in thew twitch chat before but idk who the guy accusing mvp of cheating is as he just made his account today :O
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Hmm, it was the Crimson Starleague finals, not the C-Ranks Teamleague finals, but close enough, lol.
As for the possible cheating, I've talked to MVP about it before this post. As to what's gonna happen to him in my league is up to me, but I guess the community's opinion is up to them.
As to whether he cheated? I guess we'll never know 100% until he does something like admit that he was watching the stream while playing.
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For some reason I doubt someone has been following CRTL and Crimson Starleague and not have a TL account and randomly decide to make a TL account...idk if MVP actually cheated or not, but @MrBlack2, unless you actually did just make an account, have the balls to post a cheating accusation on your main
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I talked Sync about this in private and thought everything was going to be taken care of, however someone who I should name thought it would be a good idea to post this in public because they dont like MVP, but they were too chicken shit to post it under their real ID
edit: and this is Jacklinks
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Mother fuckin' PLOT TWIST LOL.
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So what's wrong with this information being made public? From the evidence it looks quite certain that he did some form of stream-cheating. Don't you think that the participants/viewers of this league as well as any other league Mvp might be involved with would want to at least look at the replays for themselves?
And why does it matter that "mr black" wants to be anonymous? He presented specific examples with the game time and replays linked in his post. His post alone makes him credible, who he actually is doesn't affect the argument he made.
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The game 6 stuff could happen, there have been more compelling instances than that and it turned out the player didn't cheat. Especially at lower levels, players do shit pretty randomly; and I can envision both of those being coincidences.
Game 7 lurker stuff I will have to look at some-point, but it definitely sounds bizarre.
Bottom line though is that I don't think this is enough to say the player definitely cheated. It's undoubtedly some very shady shit, but cheating is perhaps the strongest accusation you can level against a player, and one I don't think people should rush to make judgments on, especially given the ease of seeing low level play as cheating when that is what you are expecting to see.
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On December 29 2013 17:01 fearthequeen wrote:
So what's wrong with this information being made public? From the evidence it looks quite certain that he did some form of stream-cheating. Don't you think that the participants/viewers of this league as well as any other league Mvp might be involved with would want to at least look at the replays for themselves?
And why does it matter that "mr black" wants to be anonymous? He presented specific examples with the game time and replays linked in his post. His post alone makes him credible, who he actually is doesn't affect the argument he made.
I didn't think it was needed to call MVP out when someone told him about stop lurkers and fishy game 6 but the person that felt they needed to post this did like a coward.
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wtf jacklinks every single game instead of putting a fifth hatch in his third took a fourth base with it, and when i blocked with pylon at his natural on FS the drone didnt go scout my base or take the natural base, it went to 3:00 o clock it was pretty obvious he was going to take 6 o clock again as his fourth and i admitted to cheating for the game on aztec with the stop lurkers, i recieved a msg and instead of ignoring it or being on DND, i responded and due to that, i didn't recieve an invite to crimson season 3
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On December 29 2013 17:01 fearthequeen wrote:
So what's wrong with this information being made public? From the evidence it looks quite certain that he did some form of stream-cheating. Don't you think that the participants/viewers of this league as well as any other league Mvp might be involved with would want to at least look at the replays for themselves?
And why does it matter that "mr black" wants to be anonymous? He presented specific examples with the game time and replays linked in his post. His post alone makes him credible, who he actually is doesn't affect the argument he made.
Cheating is a serious accusation and if somebody is gonna dirty the name and accuse someone of cheating, they should at least use their own name too otherwise good people's reputation can be ruined by wimps who just make smurf accounts
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although i think he was listening in on the stream, it clearly didnt help him enough to win, maybe because of delay or what not i dont know, but this is what i saw from my point of view:
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On December 29 2013 19:07 Prodigy.MvP wrote:
and i admitted to cheating for the game on aztec with the stop lurkers, i recieved a msg and instead of ignoring it or being on DND, i responded and due to that, i didn't recieve an invite to crimson season 3
...LOL WHAT......."And I admitted to cheating......" .........Wow...Well I guess your done here, never would of put i past you honestly, just an eager child desperate for attention. Sad really.
I hope you are never allowed to play in any BW foreign tournaments again and you are perma banned from this site for cheating, utterly pathetic.
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On December 29 2013 19:07 Prodigy.MvP wrote:
wtf jacklinks every single game instead of putting a fifth hatch in his third took a fourth base with it, and when i blocked with pylon at his natural on FS the drone didnt go scout my base or take the natural base, it went to 3:00 o clock it was pretty obvious he was going to take 6 o clock again as his fourth and i admitted to cheating for the game on aztec with the stop lurkers, i recieved a msg and instead of ignoring it or being on DND, i responded and due to that, i didn't recieve an invite to crimson season 3
You seem confused. 3 o clock is the middle right base. You are trying to refer to the 9 o clock base which wasn't even in question. The reference to 3 o clock was 19 minutes into the game when you send your entire army to the mid right base to attack with zero previous scouting of it.
On December 30 2013 01:11 traceurling wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2013 17:01 fearthequeen wrote:
So what's wrong with this information being made public? From the evidence it looks quite certain that he did some form of stream-cheating. Don't you think that the participants/viewers of this league as well as any other league Mvp might be involved with would want to at least look at the replays for themselves?
And why does it matter that "mr black" wants to be anonymous? He presented specific examples with the game time and replays linked in his post. His post alone makes him credible, who he actually is doesn't affect the argument he made. Cheating is a serious accusation and if somebody is gonna dirty the name and accuse someone of cheating, they should at least use their own name too otherwise good people's reputation can be ruined by wimps who just make smurf accounts
I find it funny that the guy who brings this cheating to light is receiving more scrutiny than the one who actually cheated. Also, suggesting that Mvp had a good reputation in the first place is laughable. Since mr black made a supported argument of why he thinks Mvp cheated that makes him a "wimp" trying to "dirty the name" of Mvp? It's much different than if some smurf had posted a one liner accusation with no support or explanation. Personally I applaud mr. black for taking the time to fully flesh out his explanation and providing the replays for people to examine for themselves.
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On December 30 2013 16:05 GGzerG wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2013 19:07 Prodigy.MvP wrote:
and i admitted to cheating for the game on aztec with the stop lurkers, i recieved a msg and instead of ignoring it or being on DND, i responded and due to that, i didn't recieve an invite to crimson season 3 ...LOL WHAT......."And I admitted to cheating......" .........Wow...Well I guess your done here, never would of put i past you honestly, just an eager child desperate for attention. Sad really. I hope you are never allowed to play in any BW foreign tournaments again and you are perma banned from this site for cheating, utterly pathetic.
Make of it what you will but seems his argument is that he didn't try to cheat...someone just messaged him in game and he didn't have DND on.
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On December 30 2013 16:29 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 16:05 GGzerG wrote:On December 29 2013 19:07 Prodigy.MvP wrote:
and i admitted to cheating for the game on aztec with the stop lurkers, i recieved a msg and instead of ignoring it or being on DND, i responded and due to that, i didn't recieve an invite to crimson season 3 ...LOL WHAT......."And I admitted to cheating......" .........Wow...Well I guess your done here, never would of put i past you honestly, just an eager child desperate for attention. Sad really. I hope you are never allowed to play in any BW foreign tournaments again and you are perma banned from this site for cheating, utterly pathetic. ...someone just messaged him in game and he didn't have DND on.
Well he admitted to cheating himself so theres really nothing more to discuss.
EDIT : How is MVP being allowed to play in Crimson but not 3? lol? ....Not that I care as he needs to cheat to win but really, I mean normally when someone is caught cheating like this they are done, and honestly if someone messaged him in game, and he was innocent, it wouldn't of been hard to hit print screen to prove his innocence, when i'm sure he'd want to do, even if he was cheating......He got caught, and is scrambling for a way to recover clearly.
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On December 30 2013 16:41 GGzerG wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 16:29 L_Master wrote:On December 30 2013 16:05 GGzerG wrote:On December 29 2013 19:07 Prodigy.MvP wrote:
and i admitted to cheating for the game on aztec with the stop lurkers, i recieved a msg and instead of ignoring it or being on DND, i responded and due to that, i didn't recieve an invite to crimson season 3 ...LOL WHAT......."And I admitted to cheating......" .........Wow...Well I guess your done here, never would of put i past you honestly, just an eager child desperate for attention. Sad really. I hope you are never allowed to play in any BW foreign tournaments again and you are perma banned from this site for cheating, utterly pathetic. ...someone just messaged him in game and he didn't have DND on. Well he admitted to cheating himself so theres really nothing more to discuss. EDIT : How is MVP being allowed to play in Crimson but not 3? lol? ....Not that I care as he needs to cheat to win but really, I mean normally when someone is caught cheating like this they are done, and honestly if someone messaged him in game, and he was innocent, it wouldn't of been hard to hit print screen to prove his innocence, when i'm sure he'd want to do, even if he was cheating......He got caught, and is scrambling for a way to recover clearly.
MVP was obsing my game vs. aeghrur in DRTL on Circuit Breaker a few seasons ago. He messaged aeghrur, telling him that I had not gone for 1 base tech PvZ like I normally did vs. MVP in practice. What aeghrur did was: 1. he told me he had to ask for a re 2. when I asked why, he explained that he had been given insider information about the game from MVP.
That is both 1. the proper and most honest approach to such a situation, something MVP should have done right then and there, but instead he wanted to win so badly that he tried to use the knowledge to his advantage, 2. more evidence of MVP cheating.
I know that it is hypocritical of me to judge, but I also agree that a lasting ban would be logical if not expressly mandatory.
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On December 30 2013 16:41 GGzerG wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 16:29 L_Master wrote:On December 30 2013 16:05 GGzerG wrote:On December 29 2013 19:07 Prodigy.MvP wrote:
and i admitted to cheating for the game on aztec with the stop lurkers, i recieved a msg and instead of ignoring it or being on DND, i responded and due to that, i didn't recieve an invite to crimson season 3 ...LOL WHAT......."And I admitted to cheating......" .........Wow...Well I guess your done here, never would of put i past you honestly, just an eager child desperate for attention. Sad really. I hope you are never allowed to play in any BW foreign tournaments again and you are perma banned from this site for cheating, utterly pathetic. ...someone just messaged him in game and he didn't have DND on. Well he admitted to cheating himself so theres really nothing more to discuss. EDIT : How is MVP being allowed to play in Crimson but not 3? lol? ....Not that I care as he needs to cheat to win but really, I mean normally when someone is caught cheating like this they are done, and honestly if someone messaged him in game, and he was innocent, it wouldn't of been hard to hit print screen to prove his innocence, when i'm sure he'd want to do, even if he was cheating......He got caught, and is scrambling for a way to recover clearly.
Eh, I don't understand what you're asking? "How is MVP being allowed to play in Crimson but not 3?"
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Already pretty solid evidence he cheated, he even admitted to it.
Should really just ban him from everything at this point imo.
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On January 03 2014 05:22 arb wrote:
Already pretty solid evidence he cheated, he even admitted to it.
Should really just ban him from everything at this point imo.
He's not invited to the upcoming season. As for whether he's gonna get a ban for later seasons, I'll decide later on :o
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i dont think its really "cheating" that i got msg'd and it's not like rules state that i have to be on DND and i wasn't informed of it, only reason im referring to it as cheating is that the final verdict by syncc was that even though it wasnt intentional, it still falls under cheating
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On January 03 2014 14:36 Prodigy.MvP wrote:
i dont think its really "cheating" that i got msg'd and it's not like rules state that i have to be on DND and i wasn't informed of it, only reason im referring to it as cheating is that the final verdict by syncc was that even though it wasnt intentional, it still falls under cheating
It's cheating because you kept playing. There is really no way that this is NOT cheating.
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On January 03 2014 14:36 Prodigy.MvP wrote:
i dont think its really "cheating" that i got msg'd and it's not like rules state that i have to be on DND and i wasn't informed of it, only reason im referring to it as cheating is that the final verdict by syncc was that even though it wasnt intentional, it still falls under cheating
That's like saying someone else jabbed me with a needle full of steroids every day and i didnt tell anyone cause i wasnt the one doing it
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even with the probes being saved the game was still over.... i dont even think bisu could of won that game if he had taken over in that position
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On January 04 2014 01:40 Prodigy.MvP wrote:
even with the probes being saved the game was still over.... i dont even think bisu could of won that game if he had taken over in that position
I don't think its that you lost the game, its that someone supplied you with information(which is cheating fyi) and then you continued to play the game knowing it. Both you(for not saying it, asking for a regame/taking the loss if it was over like you said) and the asshole who cheated for you are at fault here.
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On January 04 2014 01:40 Prodigy.MvP wrote:
even with the probes being saved the game was still over.... i dont even think bisu could of won that game if he had taken over in that position
Don't try to justify your cheating by the outcome of the game. It is your intent rather than the outcome that is important. Let's not get this mixed up.
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On December 30 2013 16:41 GGzerG wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2013 16:29 L_Master wrote:On December 30 2013 16:05 GGzerG wrote:On December 29 2013 19:07 Prodigy.MvP wrote:
and i admitted to cheating for the game on aztec with the stop lurkers, i recieved a msg and instead of ignoring it or being on DND, i responded and due to that, i didn't recieve an invite to crimson season 3 ...LOL WHAT......."And I admitted to cheating......" .........Wow...Well I guess your done here, never would of put i past you honestly, just an eager child desperate for attention. Sad really. I hope you are never allowed to play in any BW foreign tournaments again and you are perma banned from this site for cheating, utterly pathetic. ...someone just messaged him in game and he didn't have DND on. Well he admitted to cheating himself so theres really nothing more to discuss. EDIT : How is MVP being allowed to play in Crimson but not 3? lol? ....Not that I care as he needs to cheat to win but really, I mean normally when someone is caught cheating like this they are done, and honestly if someone messaged him in game, and he was innocent, it wouldn't of been hard to hit print screen to prove his innocence, when i'm sure he'd want to do, even if he was cheating......He got caught, and is scrambling for a way to recover clearly.
This is easily the best point made in this thread so far.
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