EPT24/07 Dual Tournament Group C - can Boxer make it? - Page 8
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Jathin
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puLs.ReADy
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superjoppe
Sweden3694 Posts
cant they change the rules so he only gets tvz or something? we need boxer -__-;; | ||
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roMAD
Russia2355 Posts
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gulii
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QuietIdiot
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On July 24 2006 09:23 (paladin)roMAD wrote: I'd call Bisu one of the best PvP'ers. He is VERY talented, i am surprised MBC havent used him in any of 1x1's in ProLeague. firebathero is a very smart player. He also won KizOo Tourney twice in a row (2:0 vs aQua 1st time where he also beat Sea.Jy 2:1 in the Semi's, and 2:0 Sea.Jy in the 2nd one), then lost in his 3rd consecutive final to Sea.FireFist 1:2 (lol games though :/). He has amazing micro. reps/source yo! | ||
Liquid`Jinro
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PoP
France15446 Posts
His TvP rocks. | ||
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QuietIdiot
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how so? His early game strategy/tactics is amazing and does alot of vulture footwork from time to time, but his late game severely weakens over time, losing some serious momentum. (I've noticed that with that anytime finals and as well as the reach finals.) Strong opening, mediocre mid/late games.(although he is capable of comebacks from time to time, think the guy doesn't have as good timing as a 1st rate tvp'er like midas.) Wait a minute, does his TvT suck more? :XX | ||
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Coulthard
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On July 24 2006 10:03 QuietIdiot wrote: how so? His early game strategy/tactics is amazing and does alot of vulture footwork from time to time, but his late game severely weakens over time, losing some serious momentum. (I've noticed that with that anytime finals and as well as the reach finals.) Strong opening, mediocre mid/late games.(although he is capable of comebacks from time to time, think the guy doesn't have as good timing as a 1st rate tvp'er like midas.) Wait a minute, does his TvT suck more? :XX Boxer doesn't have good timing? It's what sets him apart from other progamers most nowadays. He's won TvP games purely because his opponents were so scared of his timing pushes. His only problem in TvP is that he can't manage large armies nearly as well as in the other MUs and that while his macro's not bad, it's not extraordinary either. His TvT is great, except that he tends to slack off against weaker players, but that's been a problem of Boxer's for like forever. | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On July 24 2006 10:03 QuietIdiot wrote: how so? His early game strategy/tactics is amazing and does alot of vulture footwork from time to time, but his late game severely weakens over time, losing some serious momentum. (I've noticed that with that anytime finals and as well as the reach finals.) Strong opening, mediocre mid/late games.(although he is capable of comebacks from time to time, think the guy doesn't have as good timing as a 1st rate tvp'er like midas.) I don't see any real macro problem anymore, it's still not oov-like but it's become really strong imho. His game vs Terato from last MSL is a good example. He didn't lose because of his macro today, he lost because he failed a push at a crucial moment (probably underestimated Bisu's unit count). And I think that's like the only single problem regarding his TvP nowadays: he doesn't turtle enough, although it's pretty much become the only way to win in this matchup against a strong macro player (other than an early timing push, that is). | ||
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bsj9
United States927 Posts
On July 24 2006 10:03 QuietIdiot wrote: how so? His early game strategy/tactics is amazing and does alot of vulture footwork from time to time, but his late game severely weakens over time, losing some serious momentum. (I've noticed that with that anytime finals and as well as the reach finals.) Strong opening, mediocre mid/late games.(although he is capable of comebacks from time to time, think the guy doesn't have as good timing as a 1st rate tvp'er like midas.) Wait a minute, does his TvT suck more? :XX Nope, his TvT is much better than TvP... Best reason I can find is he has pretty good records against Nada and iloveOOv, but totally gets owned by Midas and Xellos (esp. Xellos, but who doesn't lose to him in TvT? The only one player he has a jinx against is Nada, and that jinx isn't that bad) based on their records Well, these days it's prety hard to tell. his tvp is improving macro-wise, he still relies on micro/dropships for tvt and as someone said he kinda slacks against 'weaker' players on like every match-up (Shinwa vs. Boxer Cultivation period anyone?) BTW, didn't firebathero kicked Xellos out of ODL one time? :[ | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On July 24 2006 11:15 bsj9 wrote: he has pretty good records against Nada and iloveOOv, but totally gets owned by Midas and Xellos (esp. Xellos, but who doesn't lose to him in TvT? The only one player he has a jinx against is Nada, and that jinx isn't that bad) Xellos' jinx against Nada is far worse than Boxer's against Xellos imho. Boxer is 1-6 (he won the last game a few weeks ago in proleague) vs Xellos and half of those losses come from the Olympus OSL semifinal. Nada on the other hand was 9-0 vs him before he got into a slump (now it's 11-4). | ||
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Jathin
United States3505 Posts
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
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Knickknack
United States1187 Posts
Its a pack of 47. I scanned for dupes, but not too carefully. Also, I may not have several that may be at ygclan, or other rep sites. So, its not exactly complete, but its more then most of you guys probably have so I wanted to share. Bisu is one of my top 3 favorate players. He is one of the few players who often impresses me in pvp. | ||
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Jathin
United States3505 Posts
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thedeadhaji
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On July 24 2006 12:07 Jathin wrote: Boxer's TvP tends to be a one-trick pony. In other words, he goes for an early game push and if that fails then it's usually a downhill battle from there. He knows his endgame is weak so he'll do whatever possible to keep it from going that far. Well, you think his tendancy to go for early timing pushes comes from the fact he knows his endgame is weak. That's a way to see it. What I think, though, is the opposite: his early pushes are what *make* his endgame look weak, since when they succeed, he often wins (short games), and when they fail, he often loses (midlong/long games) due to being behind for the rest. By the way, something's really bugging me with nowadays' TvPs. Often the P prevents direct vulture harrass by blocking one of his expo ramp with several pylons (while therefore not making any canon around the nexus). Why doesn't *any* T just make a starport and a dropship and just drop 4 damn vultures when they see that? That's a bit beyond me I must say. | ||
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