Even in the All-Star match, Protoss went 2-2, Terran went 1-2, Zerg went 2-1 (not counting the ZvZ). And with Terran, their score isn't even complete, since NewJetCity didn't play. Top 10 for DRTL4 had a close split between Protoss and Zerg in the top 10, although I suppose you could use that as evidence of Terran being weaker since they only had 1 up there. Anyway, like I said, there is a lean towards Protoss being the most dominate, but I don't think its as great as some people make it out to be.

EchOne

United States2906 Posts

June 27 2013 17:49 GMT

#203

Terran has always had strong contenders even at this level, though they seem to come and go. Many Terrans just quit playing (Obelisco, Dewski, CrazyHorse, SniperTerran) and others aren't appearing for this DRIT (KingGeedorah, NewJetCity, LCC). Despite that, this tournament still has plenty of Terrans that should make it out of groups.

Jealous

10335 Posts

June 27 2013 17:50 GMT

#204

On June 28 2013 02:29 Sentenal wrote:
Even in the All-Star match, Protoss went 2-2, Terran went 1-2, Zerg went 2-1 (not counting the ZvZ). And with Terran, their score isn't even complete, since NewJetCity didn't play. Top 10 for DRTL4 had a close split between Protoss and Zerg in the top 10, although I suppose you could use that as evidence of Terran being weaker since they only had 1 up there. Anyway, like I said, there is a lean towards Protoss being the most dominate, but I don't think its as great as some people make it out to be.

I honestly think that there were more "good" Protoss players than "good" Terran or Zerg players in the most recent DRTL. If I were to choose players who are roughly of the same caliber, this would be my attempt at an objective un-ordered list of "good" players (good as in better than the rest of the playing field, so probably yellow ranked):

- 13
Sentenal
Prophecy (could probably hold C- at least even though he denies it)
BaBo
KaiGreene
TheMarine (got a lot better last season tbh)
L_Master
PsyonicReaver
Arca(Crema) (stubborn with the goon-first openings in PvP, needs help with PvZ [but who doesn't] but otherwise solid)
Mellial (hit 3700 with positive win rate iirc last season, his first true C-)
icedraco (really solid player imo)
Gorg
fabiano (got a LOT better in the past few months, props! Even hit C-)
Animus (underrated and doesn't get many results but played solid)

- 7
RedAxis (really solid mechanics)
arb
Nagisama (needs to work on his TvP like most other T though, could learn from RedAxis)
NewJetCity
Miss.Click.. (I don't get how she's so good but she is, like wow)
King Geedorah
DNH

- 7
Beach (despite obvious deficiencies in his play, very good macro and high apm allows for greater multitask)
rauk (C player, nuff said)
CityShuffle
CoughingHydra (bad results but has had solid play in the past)
Birdie (no offense but wasn't sure if to include him, late game seems really lacking)
aeghrur
shuruken (bad zvp and bad attitude about losses don't detract from his overall skill)

IMO Toss is/was far ahead. More people left T/Z than P since DRTL start due to high rank/inactivity as well.

EDIT: I do think that it is easier to be dangerous as P at lower levels, especially in PvT, even moreso than TvZ or ZvP. As a result, P player seem stronger and put up better results. There was some post, I think by NinaZerg, that said roughly "all T/Z have offrace P close to their max level" and I agree with it to an extent; it certainly feels easier to get to C- legitimately as a P than any other race, although you could imaginably just 2 fac/5 pool there as well.

t0ssboy

Bulgaria681 Posts

June 27 2013 18:23 GMT

#205

A question for the tournament BTW.How will the ro16 opponents be chosen?1a vs 2B or what?

Nagisama

Canada4481 Posts

June 27 2013 20:01 GMT

#206

As promised, here is the updated map pack with the correct Wind and Cloud (both regular and obs version).

http://www.mediafire.com/download/nb8fsesiv55lgp4/DRIT6_Maps_v3.rar

The old download link will no longer work.

On June 28 2013 03:23 t0ssboy wrote:
A question for the tournament BTW.How will the ro16 opponents be chosen?1a vs 2B or what?

Uh, Ro16 will be once again selected using that random generator program that I got*. It will be semi-randomized in that winners of the Ro32 groups will be playing a random 2nd place finisher of the Ro32 groups. However, it will not be a person from the same Ro32 group. Hope that clears it up.

tonight

United States11130 Posts

June 27 2013 20:08 GMT

#207

I said I'd put 6months TL+ to the winner and 1month for the runner up.

Dazed.

Canada3301 Posts

June 27 2013 21:53 GMT

#208

On June 28 2013 02:14 arb wrote:

Show nested quote +

Terran has the least, most skill required and weakest race? Coincidence? i think not.

I can play every race at a d+/marginal c- level, and I find protoss the most difficult, just relative to my skill set and knowledge of the metagame.

L_Master

United States8017 Posts

June 28 2013 00:43 GMT

#209

Haven't really played BW in 3 months due to finals + month in Europe and all I can say is...

Holy fuck am I looking forward to playing again in two days when I finally get back home!

lightson

45 Posts

June 28 2013 16:09 GMT

#210

Aww, is it too late to sign up?

Anyway, good luck to the players.

Will the casts be posted on youtube?

Nagisama

Canada4481 Posts

June 28 2013 16:16 GMT

#211

On June 29 2013 01:09 lightson wrote:
Aww, is it too late to sign up?

Anyway, good luck to the players.

Will the casts be posted on youtube?

Yes,

and casts by me are on my youtube channel http://www.youtube.com/user/amasigan

casts by others are on where ever they store it, either twitch or youtube. links to vods will be on the liquipedia page.

lightson

45 Posts

June 28 2013 16:36 GMT

#212

I'd like to be placed on the wait list if it's still possible.

TL Name: lightson
ICCup Akas: omoy
Highest Max Rank achieved on ANY account: D+
Race/Matchups: Terran
DRTL Team you're on/Previous DRITs: N/A

Thanks!

Should I still send in my reps and such despite signing up to be on the wait list?

Nagisama

Canada4481 Posts

June 28 2013 16:53 GMT

#213

On June 29 2013 01:36 lightson wrote:
I'd like to be placed on the wait list if it's still possible.

TL Name: lightson
ICCup Akas: omoy
Highest Max Rank achieved on ANY account: D+
Race/Matchups: Terran
DRTL Team you're on/Previous DRITs: N/A

Thanks!

Should I still send in my reps and such despite signing up to be on the wait list?

yes please

ImAtTheBeacH

89 Posts

June 28 2013 19:19 GMT

#214

Nagisama why did you change your mind to not do the predetermined groups at the last second?

What were the predetermined groups and why? I am curious!

Sentenal

United States12398 Posts

June 28 2013 19:25 GMT

#215

On June 29 2013 04:19 ImAtTheBeacH wrote:
Nagisama why did you change your mind to not do the predetermined groups at the last second?

What were the predetermined groups and why? I am curious!

He wanted to make a group full of shitters, I think.

KazeHydra

Japan2788 Posts

June 28 2013 19:30 GMT

#216

On June 29 2013 04:25 Sentenal wrote:

Show nested quote +

He wanted to make a group full of shitters, I think.

I ruined his plans so he threw me into a pit of suffering.

SynC[gm]

United States3127 Posts

June 28 2013 19:35 GMT

#217

On June 29 2013 04:19 ImAtTheBeacH wrote:
Nagisama why did you change your mind to not do the predetermined groups at the last second?

What were the predetermined groups and why? I am curious!

Yeah, the predetermined groups was gonna consist of players who has had a track record of going 0-2 in groups and/or having bad records in teamleagues, so that at least two players would have a possibility and a chance in the Ro16, rather than not having a chance at all in the group stages. I'm not gonna name any players out of respect, but I believe the reason Nagi didn't do it was because he felt the players had improved more than he thought they had, or maybe he didn't want to single out certain players and make them feel like they need special treatment.

But I can tell you that you weren't part of the predetermined group. ;D