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On April 07 2013 23:44 SynC[gm] wrote:
So no completed results, eh? I know at the time of this post, from what I know, Courage vs Stealth Bunnies have two postponements, SunKhan and DeSPA have two postponed games, TAKK vs mSj is confused about whether to let a certain player get a W/O or not, and there's also confusion in Phoenix and NW Power with walkovers...
Sun Khan VS DeSPA have only 1 PP
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On April 08 2013 00:38 pebble444 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 23:44 SynC[gm] wrote:
So no completed results, eh? I know at the time of this post, from what I know, Courage vs Stealth Bunnies have two postponements, SunKhan and DeSPA have two postponed games, TAKK vs mSj is confused about whether to let a certain player get a W/O or not, and there's also confusion in Phoenix and NW Power with walkovers... Sun Khan VS DeSPA have only 1 PP
Nope, we arranged 2, Both playing in a few hours.
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On April 08 2013 01:13 Cpt.beefy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 00:38 pebble444 wrote:On April 07 2013 23:44 SynC[gm] wrote:
So no completed results, eh? I know at the time of this post, from what I know, Courage vs Stealth Bunnies have two postponements, SunKhan and DeSPA have two postponed games, TAKK vs mSj is confused about whether to let a certain player get a W/O or not, and there's also confusion in Phoenix and NW Power with walkovers... Sun Khan VS DeSPA have only 1 PP Nope, we arranged 2, Both playing in a few hours.
On April 07 2013 03:43 Jealous wrote:
Sun Khan vs. DeSPA:
DNH vs. BaBo was played.
Pyrefly vs. Pucca was played.
AtomicArchon requests PP vs. NewJetCity.
GhostClaw no-show vs. imatthebeach.
Gorg and Biolunar PP.
That's what I'm basing the two postponements off of...
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NagLa[KDV] and MoreAndMore response the time when you can play pp matches.
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On April 08 2013 02:24 SynC[gm] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 01:13 Cpt.beefy wrote:On April 08 2013 00:38 pebble444 wrote:On April 07 2013 23:44 SynC[gm] wrote:
So no completed results, eh? I know at the time of this post, from what I know, Courage vs Stealth Bunnies have two postponements, SunKhan and DeSPA have two postponed games, TAKK vs mSj is confused about whether to let a certain player get a W/O or not, and there's also confusion in Phoenix and NW Power with walkovers... Sun Khan VS DeSPA have only 1 PP Nope, we arranged 2, Both playing in a few hours. Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 03:43 Jealous wrote:
Sun Khan vs. DeSPA:
DNH vs. BaBo was played.
Pyrefly vs. Pucca was played.
AtomicArchon requests PP vs. NewJetCity.
GhostClaw no-show vs. imatthebeach.
Gorg and Biolunar PP.
That's what I'm basing the two postponements off of...
Updated status:
+ Show Spoiler + darknethunter <Neo Jade> sGs.BaBo
Biolunar <Fighting Spirit> sGs.Gorg
ghostclaw <Circuit Breaker> imatthebeach
AtomicArchon <Gemlong> NewJetCity PP to 20 minutes from now
pyrefly <Wind and Cloud> Pucca
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DeSPA vs. Sun Khan full results:
+ Show Spoiler + darknethunter <Neo Jade> sGs.BaBoBiolunar <Fighting Spirit> sGs.Gorgghostclaw <Circuit Breaker> imatthebeach [game was in fact played, no W/O] AtomicArchon <Gemlong> NewJetCitypyrefly <Wind and Cloud> Pucca
Also, XKCD lost his game from W4 vs. SB (putting us at 3-1 currently), and Gorg still has not played his but will be soon. This is the reason for the delay of the rep pack.
EDIT: Updated results.
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On April 08 2013 04:09 Prince_Stranger wrote:
NagLa[KDV] and MoreAndMore response the time when you can play pp matches.
On April 07 2013 06:40 L_Master wrote:NW/Phoenix W.O Decision: Show nested quote +Games may be postponed between players IF the postponement is scheduled at least 12 hours ahead of the match time and both captain were notified. This is the rule as I currently have it. Unless you did so (notified more than 12 hr in advance) in some other media and can prove it ProForward, I'm going to have to honor NW decision to take the walkovers. I'm not thrilled about it, but those are the stated rules as we currently have them. There may be revisions in the future though.
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On April 07 2013 13:21 SynC[gm] wrote:
With the mSj/walkover ordeal, I agree with dazed_spy in that taking the W/O is good negative reinforcement for mSj to not only show up on time, but also do other things necessary for the league like submitting lineups on time and checking the thread often. Plus, he DID say mSj's captain even told him to take the walkover...
European players didn't need to change anything, they just needed to show up at the same time they always do, so I don't see what the problem is. It doesn't take more than 3 minutes to come to teamliquid.net and check a damn thread either.
@ghrur: Taeyeon doesn't' have an iCCup ID, but I can PM you his Skype ID, or Birdie would get back to you on you vs him.
The correct term is actually punishment by reinforcement, reinforcement is when you want to increase a certain behavior, punishment is when you want to decrease a certain behavior. Here you want to decrease the behavior of no-shows... We jut learned about that in psychology!  but yah I agree with dazed
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I think pp system is not realiable at all. Our team made a request 3 times (using Skype, PM at TL, TL thread) to NW Powers, first was about 10.5h technically (it was a bit late than 12h), yes it was technically late I am agree with L_Master about it. But I dont understand why NW Powers insisting about those wo? Previously all other teams were ok about pp. And also there was a situation about having pps between teams about pp several hours before.
I would do the same thing for all future games like NW does to us (if they take 2 wo): not answer to pp request using Skype, PM at TL, TL thread and then when time comes just say: "I dont know anything about pp. Play now or wo".
Another issue, I wouldn't care if we were losing or something like that, so far it was 2 - 1 for Phoenix, but after those 2 wo we are going to lose 2- 3.
Come on guys (NW Powers) can you just play fair and honest games with us? Will you be satisfied with such victory? I didn't even receive any response from you about pps yet. Why you are acting like this?
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On April 08 2013 13:02 Prince_Stranger wrote:
I think pp system is not realiable at all. Our team made a request 3 times (using Skype, PM at TL, TL thread) to NW Powers, first was about 10.5h technically (it was a bit late than 12h), yes it was technically late I am agree with L_Master about it. But I dont understand why NW Powers insisting about those wo? Previously all other teams were ok about pp. And also there was a situation about having pps between teams about pp several hours before.
I would do the same thing for all future games like NW does to us (if they take 2 wo): not answer to pp request using Skype, PM at TL, TL thread and then when time comes just say: "I dont know anything about pp. Play now or wo".
Another issue, I wouldn't care if we were losing or something like that, so far it was 2 - 1 for Phoenix, but after those 2 wo we are going to lose 2- 3.
Come on guys (NW Powers) can you just play fair and honest games with us? Will you be satisfied with such victory? I didn't even receive any response from you about pps yet. Why you are acting like this?
It's because they want to take free wins and are scared to get losses ^^; Their position in the standings becomes a lot more tenuous if they lose this series. Also, not everyone on their team is 3800+ Maciej lololol
No but really, taking 2 W/O when down 1-2 is cowardly. It is also very hypocritical because Sinedd has tried to bend the rules in his team's favor before (asking for a sub of a different race vs. Sun Khan, with no warning, more than 20 minutes AFTER match time, then doing the same thing by switching in MoreAndMore because he preemptively knew that he "couldn't reach" a player for a PP that he put on the line-up in the first place).
However, let's not pretend that this is unexpected given that he was banned for immaturity not 2 months ago. I think you're just going to have to deal with the hypocrisy, but not stoop down to his level because lets face it, pretty much every other team (afaik) has been very understanding and cooperative in terms of PP and etc. If NW wants to win so badly that they field 3800+ players, expect others to make illegal switches for them, and then recover disadvantaged series by refusing to do the same for others, so be it. All I know is back in DRTL1 teams were willing to let people even play twice in one match (not even for ace match), just to have MORE GAMES. Which, I feel, is the goal of this league.
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If this is true, I find it amusing that they would take w/o's because at the beginning of the season they were saying this It's because they want to take free wins and are scared to get losses ^^; to other teams threatening to take w/o's on them.
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On April 08 2013 13:24 Nagisama wrote:If this is true, I find it amusing that they would take w/o's because at the beginning of the season they were saying this to other teams threatening to take w/o's on them.
Yup, nothing unexpected here either
It is also very hypocritical...
Consistency is key!
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On April 08 2013 12:18 traceurling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 13:21 SynC[gm] wrote:
With the mSj/walkover ordeal, I agree with dazed_spy in that taking the W/O is good negative reinforcement for mSj to not only show up on time, but also do other things necessary for the league like submitting lineups on time and checking the thread often. Plus, he DID say mSj's captain even told him to take the walkover...
European players didn't need to change anything, they just needed to show up at the same time they always do, so I don't see what the problem is. It doesn't take more than 3 minutes to come to teamliquid.net and check a damn thread either.
@ghrur: Taeyeon doesn't' have an iCCup ID, but I can PM you his Skype ID, or Birdie would get back to you on you vs him. The correct term is actually punishment by reinforcement, reinforcement is when you want to increase a certain behavior, punishment is when you want to decrease a certain behavior. Here you want to decrease the behavior of no-shows... We jut learned about that in psychology! but yah I agree with dazed
Omg, you're right actually... And this is why you don't slack off during AP Psychology, you guise. Junior/senior in high school or freshmen in college, pkling?
And for the NW Power/Phoenix thingy... I agree with BaBo in that it's totally unfair of NW Power to wanna sub in a different player, sometimes a different race, just a couple minutes after game time. There was one instance where I believe a Protoss/Zerg was supposed to play a TAKK player, and in came a Terran player. Granted, we accepted their sub, but they were the ones who had offered, and we had accepted the game just to get the game done and over with.
To the NW team, I remember in DRATL that you were extremely reluctant to take a W/O with Ali.G when you guys were playing Freedom and up 3-2, so what's the difference now? Did a period within 4 months change your views on walkovers? I don't understand...
Anyways, Lmaster should make a decision sometime soon, I dunno if this was common during DRTL 1, 2, or 3, but it's not very league-like to see so many games be postponed and having results become so delayed because of conflicts within the postponements.
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On April 08 2013 13:53 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 13:39 SynC[gm] wrote:On April 08 2013 12:18 traceurling wrote:On April 07 2013 13:21 SynC[gm] wrote:
With the mSj/walkover ordeal, I agree with dazed_spy in that taking the W/O is good negative reinforcement for mSj to not only show up on time, but also do other things necessary for the league like submitting lineups on time and checking the thread often. Plus, he DID say mSj's captain even told him to take the walkover...
European players didn't need to change anything, they just needed to show up at the same time they always do, so I don't see what the problem is. It doesn't take more than 3 minutes to come to teamliquid.net and check a damn thread either.
@ghrur: Taeyeon doesn't' have an iCCup ID, but I can PM you his Skype ID, or Birdie would get back to you on you vs him. The correct term is actually punishment by reinforcement, reinforcement is when you want to increase a certain behavior, punishment is when you want to decrease a certain behavior. Here you want to decrease the behavior of no-shows... We jut learned about that in psychology! but yah I agree with dazed Omg, you're right actually... And this is why you don't slack off during AP Psychology, you guise. Junior/senior in high school or freshmen in college, pkling? And for the NW Power/Phoenix thingy... I agree with BaBo in that it's totally unfair of NW Power to wanna sub in a different player, sometimes a different race, just a couple minutes after game time. There was one instance where I believe a Protoss/Zerg was supposed to play a TAKK player, and in came a Terran player. Granted, we accepted their sub, but they were the ones who had offered, and we had accepted the game just to get the game done and over with. To the NW team, I remember in DRATL that you were extremely reluctant to take a W/O with Ali.G when you guys were playing Freedom and up 3-2, so what's the difference now? Did a period within 4 months change your views on walkovers? I don't understand... Anyways, Lmaster should make a decision sometime soon, I dunno if this was common during DRTL 1, 2, or 3, but it's not very league-like to see so many games be postponed and having results become so delayed because of conflicts within the postponements. Actually the correct term is negative reinforcement ;D /college
Is it negative reinforcement or fucking punishment? -___-;
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On April 08 2013 13:54 SynC[gm] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 13:53 Jealous wrote:On April 08 2013 13:39 SynC[gm] wrote:On April 08 2013 12:18 traceurling wrote:On April 07 2013 13:21 SynC[gm] wrote:
With the mSj/walkover ordeal, I agree with dazed_spy in that taking the W/O is good negative reinforcement for mSj to not only show up on time, but also do other things necessary for the league like submitting lineups on time and checking the thread often. Plus, he DID say mSj's captain even told him to take the walkover...
European players didn't need to change anything, they just needed to show up at the same time they always do, so I don't see what the problem is. It doesn't take more than 3 minutes to come to teamliquid.net and check a damn thread either.
@ghrur: Taeyeon doesn't' have an iCCup ID, but I can PM you his Skype ID, or Birdie would get back to you on you vs him. The correct term is actually punishment by reinforcement, reinforcement is when you want to increase a certain behavior, punishment is when you want to decrease a certain behavior. Here you want to decrease the behavior of no-shows... We jut learned about that in psychology! but yah I agree with dazed Omg, you're right actually... And this is why you don't slack off during AP Psychology, you guise. Junior/senior in high school or freshmen in college, pkling? And for the NW Power/Phoenix thingy... I agree with BaBo in that it's totally unfair of NW Power to wanna sub in a different player, sometimes a different race, just a couple minutes after game time. There was one instance where I believe a Protoss/Zerg was supposed to play a TAKK player, and in came a Terran player. Granted, we accepted their sub, but they were the ones who had offered, and we had accepted the game just to get the game done and over with. To the NW team, I remember in DRATL that you were extremely reluctant to take a W/O with Ali.G when you guys were playing Freedom and up 3-2, so what's the difference now? Did a period within 4 months change your views on walkovers? I don't understand... Anyways, Lmaster should make a decision sometime soon, I dunno if this was common during DRTL 1, 2, or 3, but it's not very league-like to see so many games be postponed and having results become so delayed because of conflicts within the postponements. Actually the correct term is negative reinforcement ;D /college Is it negative reinforcement or fucking punishment? -___-;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforcement#Positive_and_negative
I made a boo-boo and now I look silly ^_^ yay beer /college
EDIT: (It's positive punishment)
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Now that I think about it, Sinedd was trying to sub a Terran in for Maciej against us, even though he himself plays Protoss. When I asked why he wouldn't play instead, he said he didn't want to lose lol.
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On April 08 2013 15:17 Jealous wrote:
Now that I think about it, Sinedd was trying to sub a Terran in for Maciej against us, even though he himself plays Protoss. When I asked why he wouldn't play instead, he said he didn't want to lose lol.
Why would he want to sub out Maciej. He is like their best player.
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On April 08 2013 16:25 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 15:17 Jealous wrote:
Now that I think about it, Sinedd was trying to sub a Terran in for Maciej against us, even though he himself plays Protoss. When I asked why he wouldn't play instead, he said he didn't want to lose lol. Why would he want to sub out Maciej. He is like their best player.
what the fuck are you talking about Jealous ?
I didnt say anything like that.. You think we are scared to lose ? you're have to be fucking kidding me lol its not like we are getting paid for this league or anything.. Besides who are you to tell me if I should play or not.. Maciej showed up 5 minutes late but he played, so I dont know where the problem is.
I wasnt answering because the electricity went down in my neighbourhood and I didnt have internet access.. my players took wo's because they thought its not too fair that they showed up and ur players didnt.. its just that. I know its maybe not cool to do it but oh well.. it happened, and Its not like we are the only team that takes walkovers.. I remind you that WE lost due to the wo on week 1 
so stop spreading random bullshit about our team dude
go and practice more instead.
Cheers
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On April 08 2013 17:15 Sinedd wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 16:25 L_Master wrote:On April 08 2013 15:17 Jealous wrote:
Now that I think about it, Sinedd was trying to sub a Terran in for Maciej against us, even though he himself plays Protoss. When I asked why he wouldn't play instead, he said he didn't want to lose lol. Why would he want to sub out Maciej. He is like their best player. what the fuck are you talking about Jealous ? I didnt say anything like that.. You think we are scared to lose ? you're have to be fucking kidding me lol its not like we are getting paid for this league or anything.. Besides who are you to tell me if I should play or not.. Maciej showed up 5 minutes late but he played, so I dont know where the problem is. I wasnt answering because the electricity went down in my neighbourhood and I didnt have internet access.. my players took wo's because they thought its not too fair that they showed up and ur players didnt.. its just that. I know its maybe not cool to do it but oh well.. it happened, and Its not like we are the only team that takes walkovers.. I remind you that WE lost due to the wo on week 1 so stop spreading random bullshit about our team dude go and practice more instead. Cheers
I am glad that I at least heard the reason why you didn't response cause I was constantly checking. Btw, I showed up to say about pp's 4th time in case you couldn't receive my message and can clarify that you receive later. But they didn't care at all. Now you have internet access you can say to your players that you receieved such messages and msg about time pp's can be played. Or if your team don't accept any pp's you could warn about it earlier like "NW Powers will not accept your pp's", so at least we could think out about something else. I am just so sad about those pp's, so unexpected and I'll write again this:
On April 08 2013 13:02 Prince_Stranger wrote:
I think pp system is not realiable at all. Our team made a request 3 times (using Skype, PM at TL, TL thread) to NW Powers, first was about 10.5h technically (it was a bit late than 12h), yes it was technically late I am agree with L_Master about it. But I dont understand why NW Powers insisting about those wo? Previously all other teams were ok about pp. And also there was a situation about having pps between teams about pp several hours before.
I would do the same thing for all future games like NW does to us (if they take 2 wo): not answer to pp request using Skype, PM at TL, TL thread and then when time comes just say: "I dont know anything about pp. Play now or wo".
Another issue, I wouldn't care if we were losing or something like that, so far it was 2 - 1 for Phoenix, but after those 2 wo we are going to lose 2- 3.
Come on guys (NW Powers) can you just play fair and honest games with us? Will you be satisfied with such victory? I didn't even receive any response from you about pps yet. Why you are acting like this?
My suggestion is to erase the opportunity to pp's at all if it doesn't work for some cases.
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