In case of a 3 way 2-1 or 1-2 tie, teams will fight until the death. Meaning, if the results of the playoffs are 1-1-1, the nation wars will continue to happen until there is a 2-0, 1-1, and 0-2 settling. Only the 2-0 team will advance with the initial round robin best team to the finals. + Show Spoiler [Possible initial score for ties] +
Team 1, 2, 3, and 4. Team 1: 3-0 Team 2: 1-2 Team 3: 1-2 Team 4: 1-2
Rules: 1) All teams and players are subject to administrative discretion. 2) All team leaders must be capable of communicating efficiently in English. 3) All games must be played on Fish Server using Mini or Chaos Launcher. 4) LRM)Game reserves full discretion over all decisions and procedures. 5) All players must use their most known ID, if you are unsure of which ID you should use, you should direct your PM to LRM)Game. 6) All names must end with country tag in brackets. E.G Eywa[CA], Game[US] 7) All replays must be submitted to SBWINWars@gmail.com by the winning player, failure to do so will result in reversal of the match. 8) Any player found abusing in any way will be attributed with a permanent ban from the Nation Wars, in addition, the clan war which was abused in will be counted as a loss for the abusing player's team. 9) If a player disconnects from a game due to internet issues and/or launcher issues, the player may be re-entered or subbed out. If the player is re-entered and drops a second time, the set will be counted as a loss by W.O. 10) IP conflicts between players will be handled on a case-to-case basis. 11) There will be no PP matches unless scheduled a minimum of 24 hours beforehand with LRM)Game. 12) The use of an incorrect map will result in a draw for the set, both players will be banned from their next Nation War. (Rule #8 applies for rigged maps) 13) Team rosters must not exceed 15 players + 2 organizers. 14) Only team leaders are to communicate with the league commissioner over implementable concerns about the league. 15) No Korean IP addresses. 16) Players with former cases hacking and abuse must contact the organizers of the tournament before being admitted to play in this league. Organizers reserve the right to refuse these players. 17) No BM or flaming will be tolerated in Official SBWI Nation Wars threads, failure to abide by this rule will result in action taken against the offending nation at the organizer's discretion. 18) Players must have /dnd active at all times while in official SBWI Nation Wars games. 19) No map can be used twice in a single set. 20) ACE matches can be postponed without the concurrence of the other team only when the time surpasses 2AM local time. Russia has the only exception to this rule, as it has been explained to them. 21) If you have any questions about the rules, you must contact Game, not knowing the rules or misinterpreting them is not an excuse.
The tiebreaker must end 2-0, 1-1, and 0-2 for two teams to advance to the finals. Given that Russia went 0-3 in Round 2, they are excluded from the tiebreaker of 2-1 by North America, Poland, and Central Europe. These will play out until two teams advance. It is in fact time for nations to show their true pride and grit.
Set 1: Fighting Spirit Set 2: Match Point Set 3: Neo Outlier Set 4: Icarus Set 5: Destination 2vs2: Neo Ground Zero ACE: Fighting Spirit??????????????????????????????????????????
This has always been the time NW was at, long before TLS made their schedual or was even anounced at all. If it is their perogitive to "unify and solidify competition among foreigners, capturing and cultivating a love for the game" by scheduling directly on top of the other major leauge, there is not a whole lot we can do about that.
On January 14 2013 02:55 hacklebeast wrote: This has always been the time NW was at, long before TLS made their schedual or was even anounced at all. If it is their perogitive to "unify and solidify competition among foreigners, capturing and cultivating a love for the game" by scheduling directly on top of the other major leauge, there is not a whole lot we can do about that.
RU vs CE today
yeah it's quite unfortunate, but I guess there's no other time to put events other than the weekend.
a) The weekends are the best time for us to hold our events
b) Because our open qualifier requires organizing players from various continents we have to pick times that work best for them
c) 12PM EST for the tournament start and 3PM EST for the cast is the best time. (This works for most of NA and Europe)
I'm not sure when you expect us to hold the TLS otherwise. We still love events these and still are working on organizing ABC coverage of them. We're doing our best.
On January 14 2013 11:01 HawaiianPig wrote: a) The weekends are the best time for us to hold our events
b) Because our open qualifier requires organizing players from various continents we have to pick times that work best for them
c) 12PM EST for the tournament start and 3PM EST for the cast is the best time. (This works for most of NA and Europe)
I'm not sure when you expect us to hold the TLS otherwise. We still love events these and still are working on organizing ABC coverage of them. We're doing our best.
ye was just saying its unfortunate, I was running a sas tour that is completely on hold now because there isn't enough time to juggle through multiple events for the players.
Anyway, Hacklebeast thnx for the casts and hopefully we can get the PP matches all played up or do more pre-played games so you have a full CW to cast on the weekend ^^
On January 14 2013 11:01 HawaiianPig wrote: a) The weekends are the best time for us to hold our events
b) Because our open qualifier requires organizing players from various continents we have to pick times that work best for them
c) 12PM EST for the tournament start and 3PM EST for the cast is the best time. (This works for most of NA and Europe)
I'm not sure when you expect us to hold the TLS otherwise. We still love events these and still are working on organizing ABC coverage of them. We're doing our best.
The times could be slightly altered, but if maximum efficiency is what you're aiming for, you picked the proper times for your league. Unfortunately, this league wasn't considered at all, and that's what I think he's getting at. No one from my side was tipped off about TLS, much less the day and times so that we could work together effectively to offer two amazing leagues and correspond them properly. Needless to say, a lack of professional courtesy can persuade a few feelings.
Friday we will be casting all the PPed sets from the past two weeks at the normal time, 20 CET. We are going to go from no sets finished to potentialy having the finals locked in one day.
On January 14 2013 15:22 hacklebeast wrote: Friday we will be casting all the PPed sets from the past two weeks at the normal time, 20 CET. We are going to go from no sets finished to potentialy having the finals locked in one day.
Spoilers: one of the sets is dRaW vs Sziky
thanks for letting me know, that set will be awesome
On January 20 2013 04:30 hacklebeast wrote: Last week of playoffs starts now, RU vs NA
It's really sad that NW is overlapping with TLS and that it gets sub 100 views when it usually gets around 250. Well I hope that you upload the Vods to YT as soon as possible because RU vs NA seems like a good match!
I apologize that there will be no cast today due to technical issues. There will be an announcement later regarding the furthering of the league, as Poland swept Central Europe, creating a tie between 3 teams. Please go enjoy TLS
On January 21 2013 04:38 ForeignBW wrote: I apologize that there will be no cast today due to technical issues. There will be an announcement later regarding the furthering of the league, as Poland swept Central Europe, creating a tie between 3 teams. Please go enjoy TLS
Any chance that we could see it on friday when there is no TLS?
On February 04 2013 22:20 Sayle wrote: What are the latest results from this? The R&S thread only goes up to Round 2 Week 1, and Liquipedia only goes up to Week 2.
It was a 3 way tie, now PL | NA | CE remain: PL vs NA was the only match played
On February 04 2013 22:20 Sayle wrote: What are the latest results from this? The R&S thread only goes up to Round 2 Week 1, and Liquipedia only goes up to Week 2.
It was a 3 way tie, now PL | NA | CE remain: PL vs NA was the only match played
On February 04 2013 22:20 Sayle wrote: What are the latest results from this? The R&S thread only goes up to Round 2 Week 1, and Liquipedia only goes up to Week 2.
It was a 3 way tie, now PL | NA | CE remain: PL vs NA was the only match played
i am gravely disappointed by Game's way of handling a negligible dispute today. i ask the other organiser(s) of this league to overturn his decision regarding set 2 of this week's NW and keep his authority in check. i find the decision unacceptable and, quite frankly, petty.
On February 17 2013 06:23 skzlime wrote: i am gravely disappointed by Game's way of handling a negligible dispute today. i ask the other organiser(s) of this league to overturn his decision regarding set 2 of this week's NW and keep his authority in check. i find the decision unacceptable and, quite frankly, petty.
You're confusing a player made decision with one I'd make as an organizer.
i most certainly am not. in my eyes you got a shot at a cheap win that decided the series, and you took it instantly. i understand both the rules and your actions. i am simply strongly disagreeing with the outcome. i feel cheated, and i am sure i'm not the only one. i bet there are even some NA players who wouldn't want to advance this way.
i would also like to officially apologise for v0rti not saying gg and getting angry after losing game 2.
seriously, this incident reminds me of pros getting DQ'd for typing pp instead of ppp.
So as far as i understand, vorti didnt save all the replays and only sent 2 in, and because he didnt have them all, game as an organizer reversed the score. However, game as a player refused to provide the missing replay to vorti because vorti was apparently a dick in the game by bitching about cheese and not saying gg. Game as an organizer made the only logical decision, to abide by the rules, while game as a player fucked over vorti. I am not a fan of advancing this way, but neither am I a fan of immature players that rage for no reason. I think vorti got what he deserved, and vorti fucked over CE himself by being a dick and then expecting game to cover for his mistake of not saving replays.
I dont support getting wins on technicalities, but in this case I wouldve done the same thing as game. Its vortis mistake of not saving reps, and then relying on some1 he shat on to save him.
edit: im not saying refusing to provide reps is all good, im saying vorti cant expect any favors after how he acted, and even though the score being reversed is much harsher that what he did, he brought it on himself.
On one hand, the need for technicalities is bullshit, and it feels like we should expand the roster size to include 15 players, 2 managers, and a designated legal retainer. On the other hand, it really wouldn't be nation wars if there wasn't any salt, now would it?
On February 17 2013 09:13 FyRe_DragOn wrote: So as far as i understand, vorti didnt save all the replays and only sent 2 in, and because he didnt have them all, game as an organizer reversed the score. However, game as a player refused to provide the missing replay to vorti because vorti was apparently a dick in the game by bitching about cheese and not saying gg. Game as an organizer made the only logical decision, to abide by the rules, while game as a player fucked over vorti. I am not a fan of advancing this way, but neither am I a fan of immature players that rage for no reason. I think vorti got what he deserved, and vorti fucked over CE himself by being a dick and then expecting game to cover for his mistake of not saving replays.
I dont support getting wins on technicalities, but in this case I wouldve done the same thing as game. Its vortis mistake of not saving reps, and then relying on some1 he shat on to save him.
edit: im not saying refusing to provide reps is all good, im saying vorti cant expect any favors after how he acted, and even though the score being reversed is much harsher that what he did, he brought it on himself.
wtf is this? Logicial decision is ban Game for his attitude
i most certainly am not. in my eyes you got a shot at a cheap win that decided the series, and you took it instantly. i understand both the rules and your actions. i am simply strongly disagreeing with the outcome. i feel cheated, and i am sure i'm not the only one. i bet there are even some NA players who wouldn't want to advance this way.
i would also like to officially apologise for v0rti not saying gg and getting angry after losing game 2.
seriously, this incident reminds me of pros getting DQ'd for typing pp instead of ppp.
all reps are saved, I just remembered if you goto wDetector folder in replays (if you are using wLauncher that is) else... chaos launcher doesnt have the feature unless enabled
On February 17 2013 09:13 FyRe_DragOn wrote: So as far as i understand, vorti didnt save all the replays and only sent 2 in, and because he didnt have them all, game as an organizer reversed the score. However, game as a player refused to provide the missing replay to vorti because vorti was apparently a dick in the game by bitching about cheese and not saying gg. Game as an organizer made the only logical decision, to abide by the rules, while game as a player fucked over vorti. I am not a fan of advancing this way, but neither am I a fan of immature players that rage for no reason. I think vorti got what he deserved, and vorti fucked over CE himself by being a dick and then expecting game to cover for his mistake of not saving replays.
On February 17 2013 09:13 FyRe_DragOn wrote: So as far as i understand, vorti didnt save all the replays and only sent 2 in, and because he didnt have them all, game as an organizer reversed the score. However, game as a player refused to provide the missing replay to vorti because vorti was apparently a dick in the game by bitching about cheese and not saying gg. Game as an organizer made the only logical decision, to abide by the rules, while game as a player fucked over vorti. I am not a fan of advancing this way, but neither am I a fan of immature players that rage for no reason. I think vorti got what he deserved, and vorti fucked over CE himself by being a dick and then expecting game to cover for his mistake of not saving replays.
On February 17 2013 09:13 FyRe_DragOn wrote: So as far as i understand, vorti didnt save all the replays and only sent 2 in, and because he didnt have them all, game as an organizer reversed the score. However, game as a player refused to provide the missing replay to vorti because vorti was apparently a dick in the game by bitching about cheese and not saying gg. Game as an organizer made the only logical decision, to abide by the rules, while game as a player fucked over vorti. I am not a fan of advancing this way, but neither am I a fan of immature players that rage for no reason. I think vorti got what he deserved, and vorti fucked over CE himself by being a dick and then expecting game to cover for his mistake of not saving replays.
On February 17 2013 09:13 FyRe_DragOn wrote: So as far as i understand, vorti didnt save all the replays and only sent 2 in, and because he didnt have them all, game as an organizer reversed the score. However, game as a player refused to provide the missing replay to vorti because vorti was apparently a dick in the game by bitching about cheese and not saying gg. Game as an organizer made the only logical decision, to abide by the rules, while game as a player fucked over vorti. I am not a fan of advancing this way, but neither am I a fan of immature players that rage for no reason. I think vorti got what he deserved, and vorti fucked over CE himself by being a dick and then expecting game to cover for his mistake of not saving replays.
I dont support getting wins on technicalities, but in this case I wouldve done the same thing as game. Its vortis mistake of not saving reps, and then relying on some1 he shat on to save him.
edit: im not saying refusing to provide reps is all good, im saying vorti cant expect any favors after how he acted, and even though the score being reversed is much harsher that what he did, he brought it on himself.
This is genuinely amazing. I had to read it twice to make sure that I hadn't misunderstood.
On February 17 2013 09:13 FyRe_DragOn wrote: So as far as i understand, vorti didnt save all the replays and only sent 2 in, and because he didnt have them all, game as an organizer reversed the score. However, game as a player refused to provide the missing replay to vorti because vorti was apparently a dick in the game by bitching about cheese and not saying gg. Game as an organizer made the only logical decision, to abide by the rules, while game as a player fucked over vorti. I am not a fan of advancing this way, but neither am I a fan of immature players that rage for no reason. I think vorti got what he deserved, and vorti fucked over CE himself by being a dick and then expecting game to cover for his mistake of not saving replays.
I dont support getting wins on technicalities, but in this case I wouldve done the same thing as game. Its vortis mistake of not saving reps, and then relying on some1 he shat on to save him.
edit: im not saying refusing to provide reps is all good, im saying vorti cant expect any favors after how he acted, and even though the score being reversed is much harsher that what he did, he brought it on himself.
But as an organizer it is tbh quite obvious that you save the replays and have them by yourself. You can expect by natural logic that if you play against an organizer, he will definitly already save that replays to have them. "Dividing" yourself as a player, while being a organizer, seems douchy and it does not only seem so, it is. No matter how much BM vorti was, if you are an Organizer of this league you should be a good model for Good manners and stuff. Also this Stuff is much more BM then anything else. Not granting the win, is whiny attitude. It kind of creates a shady situation if you act like this and discredits your whole league. I mean this would be acceptable if Game was not an Organizer, but as he is, I think he should be forced to use his own Autoreplay folder (btw how in hell you do not play with Autoreplay on t.t).
So Game if you have those replays, share them and shine as a good person and try not to discredit this Nation Wars, which is not even financially supported by you, but by SBWI. This game was played (since you did not claim it wasnt), so be a man and account for that win and thus share those replays...
Everyone that is surprised by Game's decision, is not fully aware of some examples that happened throughout the SBWI league so far. Game organizes it and knows just about everything that happened. And given some examples, it's standard and understandable to make such a decision, at least in this season (assuming what DragOn said is 100% accurate). In a rather similar (but much worse imo) fashion, our team - EE (Eastern Europe) wasn't even given the chance to advance to the Playoffs stage.
I feel sorry to see skzlime disappointed though. I know I won't be able to make him feel good. I've been in similar to his place recently SBWIwise and I know there is no way to do that. But his words "i understand both the rules and your actions. i am simply strongly disagreeing with the outcome. i feel cheated" are nicely describing in short how I felt when EE didn't have the chance to advance further into this league.
On February 17 2013 09:13 FyRe_DragOn wrote: So as far as i understand, vorti didnt save all the replays and only sent 2 in, and because he didnt have them all, game as an organizer reversed the score. However, game as a player refused to provide the missing replay to vorti because vorti was apparently a dick in the game by bitching about cheese and not saying gg. Game as an organizer made the only logical decision, to abide by the rules, while game as a player fucked over vorti. I am not a fan of advancing this way, but neither am I a fan of immature players that rage for no reason. I think vorti got what he deserved, and vorti fucked over CE himself by being a dick and then expecting game to cover for his mistake of not saving replays.
I dont support getting wins on technicalities, but in this case I wouldve done the same thing as game. Its vortis mistake of not saving reps, and then relying on some1 he shat on to save him.
edit: im not saying refusing to provide reps is all good, im saying vorti cant expect any favors after how he acted, and even though the score being reversed is much harsher that what he did, he brought it on himself.
But as an organizer it is tbh quite obvious that you save the replays and have them by yourself. You can expect by natural logic that if you play against an organizer, he will definitly already save that replays to have them. "Dividing" yourself as a player, while being a organizer, seems douchy and it does not only seem so, it is. No matter how much BM vorti was, if you are an Organizer of this league you should be a good model for Good manners and stuff. Also this Stuff is much more BM then anything else. Not granting the win, is whiny attitude. It kind of creates a shady situation if you act like this and discredits your whole league. I mean this would be acceptable if Game was not an Organizer, but as he is, I think he should be forced to use his own Autoreplay folder (btw how in hell you do not play with Autoreplay on t.t).
So Game if you have those replays, share them and shine as a good person and try not to discredit this Nation Wars, which is not even financially supported by you, but by SBWI. This game was played (since you did not claim it wasnt), so be a man and account for that win and thus share those replays...
As I have learnt through my experience, the only one thing you can receive while whining on Game, is ban from him in competition or ban on TL forum. He's not worth of it.
This is a case of the absolute most simple rule in the entire league. Save and send in your replays, there are no technicalities involved there. There is not a league you'll ever play worth mentioning that this is not the case, so please for the love of God stop pretending it is. CE prior to this has the only disciplinary action against them throughout the entire season as well. I acknowledged that organizing and playing might present a difficult situation in this league, so I've played it very cool on the player end by just playing my games, even when another player was in the wrong. Within that period, I've submitted the replays two times for players whose autoreplay didn't save. I feel no need to justify the situation with v0rti, but here ya go:
Lose game 1 Pick FS See Koreans BBSing everyone on FS - do that He 12 hatches and loses, not gging To judge his character, I go back in the channel and type "no gg?" He replies "yeah, no gg" some whining in Hungarian with the word "allin" in it to Skzlime "all in faggot" /end
I feel no reason to help someone who BMed me as a player while being a sour loser. If I was acting as the organizer, he would have treated me as such, which I am sure of (manner encounters throughout the league). Given that he wasn't, and I wasn't, the two don't coincide in the least.
you bbs'd. someone got mad. such is life. but granting yourself a win on a technicality when you, the organiser, was IN the game, is dumb. that's not something that happens in every tournament. In games that we as TLS staff have observers in the game we wouldn't take action like this, even if the player was being a dick. man the fuck up
Seriously you act like a whiney kid who cannot accept that he lost, so he tries to abuse his admin rights (with dumb excuses) to show his BM Opponent, who is the boss. Orgas like you destroy the fun in these tournaments. He BMed you? You can punish him for this, but you cannot take away the win from him, just because you would like to. This tournament has a prizepool, which makes you an official representant, so you should act like one.
Stop making dumb excuses, post the replay, punish v0rti for BM (dunno what is written about it in the rules) and get on with this Bullshit. Things like this ruin your even already bad reputation, Game. No orga in this forums would EVER act like this. That's simply abusing your power, not more not less.
Dave, you are right you had no reason to help someone who offended you, but you could have shown a little courtesy TO ME when I ASKED YOU for the missing replay BEFORE the cast. it would have taken no effort whatsoever, i would have been grateful, CE players would not have had their last whisper of hope STRIPPED from them, and we wouldn't have this fucking meaningless pathetic excuse of a supposedly two-way communication that will probably yield exactly zero even remotely positive results i'm afraid.
oh and by the way, you did not just type "no gg?", you joked and fucking taunted him, man. not everyone has the capacity to handle that. plus vorti's english isn't so great, he easily could have misinterpreted your tone. i can relate if you had a shit day, but this is not impulsive, this is cold and calculated. why? i truly don't understand.
let it be clear that it is not my intention to flame you, Dave. i know you are smart. i did not even tell anyone in this thread what happened. i am not trying to manipulate anyone in any way. i explained how the situation made me feel, and asked for an amendment. i'm actually quite sorry about some of the comments i evoked, even though they indirectly support my point. please take some time to reflect on this.
This is a case of the absolute most simple rule in the entire league. Save and send in your replays, there are no technicalities involved there. There is not a league you'll ever play worth mentioning that this is not the case, so please for the love of God stop pretending it is. CE prior to this has the only disciplinary action against them throughout the entire season as well. I acknowledged that organizing and playing might present a difficult situation in this league, so I've played it very cool on the player end by just playing my games, even when another player was in the wrong. Within that period, I've submitted the replays two times for players whose autoreplay didn't save. I feel no need to justify the situation with v0rti, but here ya go:
Lose game 1 Pick FS See Koreans BBSing everyone on FS - do that He 12 hatches and loses, not gging To judge his character, I go back in the channel and type "no gg?" He replies "yeah, no gg" some whining in Hungarian with the word "allin" in it to Skzlime "all in faggot" /end
I feel no reason to help someone who BMed me as a player while being a sour loser. If I was acting as the organizer, he would have treated me as such, which I am sure of (manner encounters throughout the league). Given that he wasn't, and I wasn't, the two don't coincide in the least.
... I sense a conflict of interest. Anyway, I could see a problem if he sent like a 1-1 rep set, but he sent a 2-0... I understand there are rules about reverse scores and such but those are primarily guidelines to keep things in order. If you tried this in a court of law where you were withholding evidence about the case, I don't think it would go over very well.
After consideration I am withdrawing from the league, Justin is now official NA leader good luck have fun. ( I don't want to play in a league where all integrity is lost)
This is a case of the absolute most simple rule in the entire league. Save and send in your replays, there are no technicalities involved there. There is not a league you'll ever play worth mentioning that this is not the case, so please for the love of God stop pretending it is. CE prior to this has the only disciplinary action against them throughout the entire season as well. I acknowledged that organizing and playing might present a difficult situation in this league, so I've played it very cool on the player end by just playing my games, even when another player was in the wrong. Within that period, I've submitted the replays two times for players whose autoreplay didn't save. I feel no need to justify the situation with v0rti, but here ya go:
Lose game 1 Pick FS See Koreans BBSing everyone on FS - do that He 12 hatches and loses, not gging To judge his character, I go back in the channel and type "no gg?" He replies "yeah, no gg" some whining in Hungarian with the word "allin" in it to Skzlime "all in faggot" /end
I feel no reason to help someone who BMed me as a player while being a sour loser. If I was acting as the organizer, he would have treated me as such, which I am sure of (manner encounters throughout the league). Given that he wasn't, and I wasn't, the two don't coincide in the least.
Proof he Bm'd you please
Edit: wtf both players don't have to send reps? And why is Game even allowed to play if he's the organizer with an actual prizepool?
But as an organizer it is tbh quite obvious that you save the replays and have them by yourself. You can expect by natural logic that if you play against an organizer, he will definitly already save that replays to have them.
this is true, i actually didnt think about that at all lol... derp. Game refuses to send replays in to himself? he already has replays, so theres no need to get them from vorti..there no way the set shouldve been reversed for lack of replays.
oh and by the way, you did not just type "no gg?", you joked and fucking taunted him, man. not everyone has the capacity to handle that.
this may also be true. game has been known to act this way in the past.
I withdraw my support for games decision to "withhold reps" because he already has the reps himself -_-. You cant have reps as a player and then not have them as an organizer, thats bullshit. Vorti won, and game already had the replays so there was no need for vorti to need to send them in the first place.
IMO the war is 3-2 in favor of NA, not 4-1. Im not going to play in a finals we dont deserve to be in
The series will continue at 3-2 in NA's favor. The same PP guidelines apply. As the NW is delayed by a day, the teams have until tomorrow 19CET to submit their PP player.
Vorti will be banned from the finals if CE advances.
On February 18 2013 00:49 chrisolo wrote: Seriously you act like a whiney kid who cannot accept that he lost, so he tries to abuse his admin rights (with dumb excuses) to show his BM Opponent, who is the boss. Orgas like you destroy the fun in these tournaments. He BMed you? You can punish him for this, but you cannot take away the win from him, just because you would like to. This tournament has a prizepool, which makes you an official representant, so you should act like one.
Stop making dumb excuses, post the replay, punish v0rti for BM (dunno what is written about it in the rules) and get on with this Bullshit. Things like this ruin your even already bad reputation, Game. No orga in this forums would EVER act like this. That's simply abusing your power, not more not less.
lol commenting on a ruling without reading the rules. Please go off yourself.
On February 18 2013 00:30 vortiT_T wrote: Congrat Game.Fuck u "gg".need money?to replay?fuck u retard man. GL
User was warned for this post
Warning for a 2 post user? I'll say half the curse words then.
Fuck you too then, you crybaby.
the sheer irony of you calling anyone a crybaby after what you did blows my mind
The irony of you ever commenting on someone being a crybaby blows my mind. You're actually the most famous crybaby on TL's BW forums, just in case you didn't know.
On February 18 2013 00:30 vortiT_T wrote: Congrat Game.Fuck u "gg".need money?to replay?fuck u retard man. GL
User was warned for this post
Warning for a 2 post user? I'll say half the curse words then.
Fuck you too then, you crybaby.
the sheer irony of you calling anyone a crybaby after what you did blows my mind
The irony of you ever commenting on someone being a crybaby blows my mind. You're actually the most famous crybaby on TL's BW forums, just in case you didn't know.
And the award for best comeback goes to....*drumroll*
The 8 year old sitting behind the keyboard in Games's House!
On February 18 2013 00:49 chrisolo wrote: Seriously you act like a whiney kid who cannot accept that he lost, so he tries to abuse his admin rights (with dumb excuses) to show his BM Opponent, who is the boss. Orgas like you destroy the fun in these tournaments. He BMed you? You can punish him for this, but you cannot take away the win from him, just because you would like to. This tournament has a prizepool, which makes you an official representant, so you should act like one.
Stop making dumb excuses, post the replay, punish v0rti for BM (dunno what is written about it in the rules) and get on with this Bullshit. Things like this ruin your even already bad reputation, Game. No orga in this forums would EVER act like this. That's simply abusing your power, not more not less.
lol commenting on a ruling without reading the rules. Please go off yourself.
You forgot the word "fuck" in your post. I am not as sensitive as the most Americans, no need to censor insults . Nevertheless, I said I do not know the ruling about BM (since I do not care about the BM rules). Does not mean the logical "Do not abuse your admin rights in favor of yourself" is out of competition^^
On February 18 2013 03:06 ForeignBW wrote: The series will continue at 3-2 in NA's favor. The same PP guidelines apply. As the NW is delayed by a day, the teams have until tomorrow 19CET to submit their PP player.
Vorti will be banned from the finals if CE advances.
This is just a really bad decision to make up for an even worse decision. v0rti won 2-1. Central Europe should be up by one match, not down. If the bm was bad like "Fuck this all-in faggot shit", then yeah, I could see v0rti being DQ'd, but unless the replays are released, all I can see is he didn't give Game a "gg". The correct decision would've been to give v0rti a warning, continue with the series 3-2 in CE's favor.
Why just a warning? Because CE doesn't have a history of bad manners and breaking rules. Even the fact that you considered reversing the series because of a minor first offense in a money-tournament is appalling.
This latest decision is (pardon my French) bullshit because you're putting CE in a position where they must win two sets in a row, and on one day's notice. This puts them at a massive disadvantage, because they have to fill a spot on very short notice or get the good ol' w.o, -or- have to win the next set, and the ace match when they were in a winning position in the first place. I don't want to hear some "Blah blah blah read the rules" bullshit, because this isn't a professional big-league by any stretch of the imagination, so there's some room for leniency.
I sincerely believe the following should be done:
1 - Game should issue an apology to CE for poor league management.
2 - The score should be 3-2 in favor of CE.
3 - CE and NA should have an extended period to continue the series, due to extenuating circumstances involved.
4 - Following Rule 17
17) No BM or flaming will be tolerated in Official SBWI Nation Wars threads, failure to abide by this rule will result in action taken against the offending nation at the organizer's discretion.
Game should be penalized for bad manners on the Official SBWI Nation War thread for this:
On February 18 2013 03:08 Game wrote:
Fuck you too then, you crybaby.
And Game should be Barred from participating in the finals.
On February 18 2013 03:06 ForeignBW wrote: The series will continue at 3-2 in NA's favor. The same PP guidelines apply. As the NW is delayed by a day, the teams have until tomorrow 19CET to submit their PP player.
Vorti will be banned from the finals if CE advances.
This is just a really bad decision to make up for an even worse decision. v0rti won 2-1. Central Europe should be up by one match, not down. If the bm was bad like "Fuck this all-in faggot shit", then yeah, I could see v0rti being DQ'd, but unless the replays are released, all I can see is he didn't give Game a "gg". The correct decision would've been to give v0rti a warning, continue with the series 3-2 in CE's favor.
Why just a warning? Because CE doesn't have a history of bad manners and breaking rules. Even the fact that you considered reversing the series because of a minor first offense in a money-tournament is appalling.
This latest decision is (pardon my French) bullshit because you're putting CE in a position where they must win two sets in a row, and on one day's notice. This puts them at a massive disadvantage, because they have to fill a spot on very short notice or get the good ol' w.o, -or- have to win the next set, and the ace match when they were in a winning position in the first place. I don't want to hear some "Blah blah blah read the rules" bullshit, because this isn't a professional big-league by any stretch of the imagination, so there's some room for leniency.
I sincerely believe the following should be done:
1 - Game should issue an apology to CE for poor league management.
2 - The score should be 3-2 in favor of CE.
3 - CE and NA should have an extended period to continue the series, due to extenuating circumstances involved.
17) No BM or flaming will be tolerated in Official SBWI Nation Wars threads, failure to abide by this rule will result in action taken against the offending nation at the organizer's discretion.
Game should be penalized for bad manners on the Official SBWI Nation War thread for this:
On February 18 2013 03:06 ForeignBW wrote: The series will continue at 3-2 in NA's favor. The same PP guidelines apply. As the NW is delayed by a day, the teams have until tomorrow 19CET to submit their PP player.
Vorti will be banned from the finals if CE advances.
This is just a really bad decision to make up for an even worse decision. v0rti won 2-1. Central Europe should be up by one match, not down. If the bm was bad like "Fuck this all-in faggot shit", then yeah, I could see v0rti being DQ'd, but unless the replays are released, all I can see is he didn't give Game a "gg". The correct decision would've been to give v0rti a warning, continue with the series 3-2 in CE's favor.
Why just a warning? Because CE doesn't have a history of bad manners and breaking rules. Even the fact that you considered reversing the series because of a minor first offense in a money-tournament is appalling.
This latest decision is (pardon my French) bullshit because you're putting CE in a position where they must win two sets in a row, and on one day's notice. This puts them at a massive disadvantage, because they have to fill a spot on very short notice or get the good ol' w.o, -or- have to win the next set, and the ace match when they were in a winning position in the first place. I don't want to hear some "Blah blah blah read the rules" bullshit, because this isn't a professional big-league by any stretch of the imagination, so there's some room for leniency.
I sincerely believe the following should be done:
1 - Game should issue an apology to CE for poor league management.
2 - The score should be 3-2 in favor of CE.
3 - CE and NA should have an extended period to continue the series, due to extenuating circumstances involved.
17) No BM or flaming will be tolerated in Official SBWI Nation Wars threads, failure to abide by this rule will result in action taken against the offending nation at the organizer's discretion.
Game should be penalized for bad manners on the Official SBWI Nation War thread for this:
On February 18 2013 03:06 ForeignBW wrote: The series will continue at 3-2 in NA's favor. The same PP guidelines apply. As the NW is delayed by a day, the teams have until tomorrow 19CET to submit their PP player.
Vorti will be banned from the finals if CE advances.
This is just a really bad decision to make up for an even worse decision. v0rti won 2-1. Central Europe should be up by one match, not down. If the bm was bad like "Fuck this all-in faggot shit", then yeah, I could see v0rti being DQ'd, but unless the replays are released, all I can see is he didn't give Game a "gg". The correct decision would've been to give v0rti a warning, continue with the series 3-2 in CE's favor.
Why just a warning? Because CE doesn't have a history of bad manners and breaking rules. Even the fact that you considered reversing the series because of a minor first offense in a money-tournament is appalling.
This latest decision is (pardon my French) bullshit because you're putting CE in a position where they must win two sets in a row, and on one day's notice. This puts them at a massive disadvantage, because they have to fill a spot on very short notice or get the good ol' w.o, -or- have to win the next set, and the ace match when they were in a winning position in the first place. I don't want to hear some "Blah blah blah read the rules" bullshit, because this isn't a professional big-league by any stretch of the imagination, so there's some room for leniency.
I sincerely believe the following should be done:
1 - Game should issue an apology to CE for poor league management.
2 - The score should be 3-2 in favor of CE.
3 - CE and NA should have an extended period to continue the series, due to extenuating circumstances involved.
17) No BM or flaming will be tolerated in Official SBWI Nation Wars threads, failure to abide by this rule will result in action taken against the offending nation at the organizer's discretion.
Game should be penalized for bad manners on the Official SBWI Nation War thread for this:
On February 18 2013 03:06 ForeignBW wrote: The series will continue at 3-2 in NA's favor. The same PP guidelines apply. As the NW is delayed by a day, the teams have until tomorrow 19CET to submit their PP player.
Vorti will be banned from the finals if CE advances.
This is just a really bad decision to make up for an even worse decision. v0rti won 2-1. Central Europe should be up by one match, not down. If the bm was bad like "Fuck this all-in faggot shit", then yeah, I could see v0rti being DQ'd, but unless the replays are released, all I can see is he didn't give Game a "gg". The correct decision would've been to give v0rti a warning, continue with the series 3-2 in CE's favor.
Why just a warning? Because CE doesn't have a history of bad manners and breaking rules. Even the fact that you considered reversing the series because of a minor first offense in a money-tournament is appalling.
This latest decision is (pardon my French) bullshit because you're putting CE in a position where they must win two sets in a row, and on one day's notice. This puts them at a massive disadvantage, because they have to fill a spot on very short notice or get the good ol' w.o, -or- have to win the next set, and the ace match when they were in a winning position in the first place. I don't want to hear some "Blah blah blah read the rules" bullshit, because this isn't a professional big-league by any stretch of the imagination, so there's some room for leniency.
I sincerely believe the following should be done:
1 - Game should issue an apology to CE for poor league management.
2 - The score should be 3-2 in favor of CE.
3 - CE and NA should have an extended period to continue the series, due to extenuating circumstances involved.
17) No BM or flaming will be tolerated in Official SBWI Nation Wars threads, failure to abide by this rule will result in action taken against the offending nation at the organizer's discretion.
Game should be penalized for bad manners on the Official SBWI Nation War thread for this:
On February 18 2013 03:06 ForeignBW wrote: The series will continue at 3-2 in NA's favor. The same PP guidelines apply. As the NW is delayed by a day, the teams have until tomorrow 19CET to submit their PP player.
Vorti will be banned from the finals if CE advances.
This is just a really bad decision to make up for an even worse decision. v0rti won 2-1. Central Europe should be up by one match, not down. If the bm was bad like "Fuck this all-in faggot shit", then yeah, I could see v0rti being DQ'd, but unless the replays are released, all I can see is he didn't give Game a "gg". The correct decision would've been to give v0rti a warning, continue with the series 3-2 in CE's favor.
Why just a warning? Because CE doesn't have a history of bad manners and breaking rules. Even the fact that you considered reversing the series because of a minor first offense in a money-tournament is appalling.
This latest decision is (pardon my French) bullshit because you're putting CE in a position where they must win two sets in a row, and on one day's notice. This puts them at a massive disadvantage, because they have to fill a spot on very short notice or get the good ol' w.o, -or- have to win the next set, and the ace match when they were in a winning position in the first place. I don't want to hear some "Blah blah blah read the rules" bullshit, because this isn't a professional big-league by any stretch of the imagination, so there's some room for leniency.
I sincerely believe the following should be done:
1 - Game should issue an apology to CE for poor league management.
2 - The score should be 3-2 in favor of CE.
3 - CE and NA should have an extended period to continue the series, due to extenuating circumstances involved.
4 - Following Rule 17
17) No BM or flaming will be tolerated in Official SBWI Nation Wars threads, failure to abide by this rule will result in action taken against the offending nation at the organizer's discretion.
Game should be penalized for bad manners on the Official SBWI Nation War thread for this:
On February 18 2013 03:08 Game wrote:
Fuck you too then, you crybaby.
And Game should be Barred from participating in the finals.
I sincerely believe the following: That ninazerg never has any valuable input.
Better DQ Sziky for lag too while you're at it. I mean you've done every other scumbag thing. Might as well take the cake and the money. God forbid you follow your own rules in your own league.
On February 18 2013 03:06 ForeignBW wrote: The series will continue at 3-2 in NA's favor. The same PP guidelines apply. As the NW is delayed by a day, the teams have until tomorrow 19CET to submit their PP player.
Vorti will be banned from the finals if CE advances.
This is just a really bad decision to make up for an even worse decision. v0rti won 2-1. Central Europe should be up by one match, not down. If the bm was bad like "Fuck this all-in faggot shit", then yeah, I could see v0rti being DQ'd, but unless the replays are released, all I can see is he didn't give Game a "gg". The correct decision would've been to give v0rti a warning, continue with the series 3-2 in CE's favor.
Why just a warning? Because CE doesn't have a history of bad manners and breaking rules. Even the fact that you considered reversing the series because of a minor first offense in a money-tournament is appalling.
This latest decision is (pardon my French) bullshit because you're putting CE in a position where they must win two sets in a row, and on one day's notice. This puts them at a massive disadvantage, because they have to fill a spot on very short notice or get the good ol' w.o, -or- have to win the next set, and the ace match when they were in a winning position in the first place. I don't want to hear some "Blah blah blah read the rules" bullshit, because this isn't a professional big-league by any stretch of the imagination, so there's some room for leniency.
I sincerely believe the following should be done:
1 - Game should issue an apology to CE for poor league management.
2 - The score should be 3-2 in favor of CE.
3 - CE and NA should have an extended period to continue the series, due to extenuating circumstances involved.
4 - Following Rule 17
17) No BM or flaming will be tolerated in Official SBWI Nation Wars threads, failure to abide by this rule will result in action taken against the offending nation at the organizer's discretion.
Game should be penalized for bad manners on the Official SBWI Nation War thread for this:
On February 18 2013 03:08 Game wrote:
Fuck you too then, you crybaby.
And Game should be Barred from participating in the finals.
I sincerely believe the following: That ninazerg never has any valuable input.
Yup, I made a mistake. I guess that means you don't have to apologize, or follow your own rules.
Edit: Myself and some friends (some of them are in the sbwi) were talking about the league, and I misunderstood the score situation. That doesn't take anything away from Game trying to take away a win from CE with some bullshit move.
I mean after China magically got DQ'd from Gambit Cup after 1-0ing LRM, and EonzErg being DQ'd from the ZvZ tour after winning for a technicality that's not even in the rules, and contacting the iCCup CL admin to get clan league line-ups in ICC-CL, after lying and accusing Scan of being a cheater over a personal grudge, along with many, many other shady incidents, I'm usually just kind of inclined to suspect that you're making a play to fuck someone over.
PS - what the fuck is going on with all that drama ?
Game.. are you being a dick again ? please dont.. be manner yourself and just admit that you lost.. BM is a bad thing, yes. But it happens to almost everyone, and taking a (really important) game from a whole team because one of their players BMed u ? That just doesnt sound right..
Hey guys u cant be serius that there are some problems with GAME again!? He is the most manner player there is!!! trolololo... again and again problems with game... in ANW there were also problems with him, and in GC, and in some other tours... really I got used to it!
Thanks on that decision to reverse the reverse ruling. Any normal high level league basically avoids WOs and reversing results for things like that because it ruins the competition and integrity.
Pike 2 > 1 Inf3cted. Pike didn't save the replays. Me and Inf3cted decided to make a good will gesture and make PL the favour of sending replays without reversing the score in EE favour (as the rules say). This one set can't cost us the whole season, right? Right?
JIM 2 > 1 Julia. They played a map that is not in the map pool so score was drawed.
After Week 6, there was only 1 NW not played - between EE and AP from Round 1. After calculations, even if EE 6:0 AP, EE would be 1 point away from a tie with PL and RU. I go and ask PL's captain "Hey, lets go play JIM vs Julia set, so EE have a chance to TIE the score if EE 6-0s AP and EE not be completely screwed up?" Not only do I receive a bunch of general talk "EE could have won other matches" and comments of totally other subject like "all admins hate poles" but before saying 'no' for the 3rd time, PL's leader straight up lied to me that Pike had the replays, while from what I’m told, he totally didn’t?! How would anyone that is aware of that example, do a favour like that?
Because of PL’s leader now I must act like a nitpicking the rules retard in such cases?
On February 20 2013 17:57 LRM)TechnicS wrote: EE vs PL week 5 of regular season
Pike 2 > 1 Inf3cted. Pike didn't save the replays. Me and Inf3cted decided to make a good will gesture and make PL the favour of sending replays without reversing the score in EE favour (as the rules say). This one set can't cost us the whole season, right? Right?
JIM 2 > 1 Julia. They played a map that is not in the map pool so score was drawed.
After Week 6, there was only 1 NW not played - between EE and AP from Round 1. After calculations, even if EE 6:0 AP, EE would be 1 point away from a tie with PL and RU. I go and ask PL's captain "Hey, lets go play JIM vs Julia set, so EE have a chance to TIE the score if EE 6-0s AP and EE not be completely screwed up?" Not only do I receive a bunch of general talk "EE could have won other matches" and comments of totally other subject like "all admins hate poles" but before saying 'no' for the 3rd time, PL's leader straight up lied to me that Pike had the replays, while from what I’m told, he totally didn’t?! How would anyone that is aware of that example, do a favour like that?
Because of PL’s leader now I must act like a nitpicking the rules retard in such cases?
On February 20 2013 17:57 LRM)TechnicS wrote: EE vs PL week 5 of regular season
Pike 2 > 1 Inf3cted. Pike didn't save the replays. Me and Inf3cted decided to make a good will gesture and make PL the favour of sending replays without reversing the score in EE favour (as the rules say). This one set can't cost us the whole season, right? Right?
JIM 2 > 1 Julia. They played a map that is not in the map pool so score was drawed.
After Week 6, there was only 1 NW not played - between EE and AP from Round 1. After calculations, even if EE 6:0 AP, EE would be 1 point away from a tie with PL and RU. I go and ask PL's captain "Hey, lets go play JIM vs Julia set, so EE have a chance to TIE the score if EE 6-0s AP and EE not be completely screwed up?" Not only do I receive a bunch of general talk "EE could have won other matches" and comments of totally other subject like "all admins hate poles" but before saying 'no' for the 3rd time, PL's leader straight up lied to me that Pike had the replays, while from what I’m told, he totally didn’t?! How would anyone that is aware of that example, do a favour like that?
Because of PL’s leader now I must act like a nitpicking the rules retard in such cases?
Hey! This is crazy... call me maybe?
Yeah, I probably should have called another person to speak to. If I had spoken with Mazur, I am pretty sure that not only would EE maintain the integrity and the spirit of fair competitiveness, but PL would have advanced too. Everyone would have been happy (in EE and PL). But no. But how should I proceed from now on? I was a teamleader for the first time. I tried to follow some moral rules, that we are all players that frequently play against each other and should not be idiots nitpicking the rules. If we followed the rules strictly and INf3cted > Pike, EE would have been in the place to advance. Ofc, that would have been pretty low to act upon teammates like that? We did a really big gesture right there. And when I ask for a smaller one - not only do I receive some words of no relation to the subject, but I get straight up lied? How do I not choose easily the score to be reversed next time even if it's a player that I have deep respect for? It's pretty sad, and I clearly don't want that. But do I have another option?
On February 18 2013 03:06 ForeignBW wrote: The series will continue at 3-2 in NA's favor. The same PP guidelines apply. As the NW is delayed by a day, the teams have until tomorrow 19CET to submit their PP player.
Vorti will be banned from the finals if CE advances.
This is just a really bad decision to make up for an even worse decision. v0rti won 2-1. Central Europe should be up by one match, not down. If the bm was bad like "Fuck this all-in faggot shit", then yeah, I could see v0rti being DQ'd, but unless the replays are released, all I can see is he didn't give Game a "gg". The correct decision would've been to give v0rti a warning, continue with the series 3-2 in CE's favor.
Why just a warning? Because CE doesn't have a history of bad manners and breaking rules. Even the fact that you considered reversing the series because of a minor first offense in a money-tournament is appalling.
This latest decision is (pardon my French) bullshit because you're putting CE in a position where they must win two sets in a row, and on one day's notice. This puts them at a massive disadvantage, because they have to fill a spot on very short notice or get the good ol' w.o, -or- have to win the next set, and the ace match when they were in a winning position in the first place. I don't want to hear some "Blah blah blah read the rules" bullshit, because this isn't a professional big-league by any stretch of the imagination, so there's some room for leniency.
I sincerely believe the following should be done:
1 - Game should issue an apology to CE for poor league management.
2 - The score should be 3-2 in favor of CE.
3 - CE and NA should have an extended period to continue the series, due to extenuating circumstances involved.
17) No BM or flaming will be tolerated in Official SBWI Nation Wars threads, failure to abide by this rule will result in action taken against the offending nation at the organizer's discretion.
Game should be penalized for bad manners on the Official SBWI Nation War thread for this:
On February 21 2013 10:53 ForeignBW wrote: Radley, v0rti, Game, and Mazur are banned from the finals citing rule 17.
@dRaW + Geckoxp + Epoxide The results will be updated tomorrow.
hahaha thats now really silly! I just wrote about situations that had place in other tours (ANW, GC, ICC CL, smaller tours). "Strange" That in most problematic situations there were Game on one side and each time someone difrend on the other...
And about me being banned - its nothig coz ive got my hand broken so I wasnt planing to play the finals.
On February 17 2013 22:18 radley wrote: As I have learnt through my experience, the only one thing you can receive while whining on Game, is ban from him in competition or ban on TL forum. He's not worth of it.
And Radley got banned for this? r u serius? u behave like a 5 year old.
The best thing is that im right (what I wrote about Game and his actions) coz u changed the decision, and im geting banned for it ^^
On February 17 2013 22:18 radley wrote: As I have learnt through my experience, the only one thing you can receive while whining on Game, is ban from him in competition or ban on TL forum. He's not worth of it.
And Radley got banned for this? r u serius? u behave like a 5 year old.
The best thing is that im right (what I wrote about Game and his actions) coz u changed the decision, and im geting banned for it ^^
On February 20 2013 17:57 LRM)TechnicS wrote: EE vs PL week 5 of regular season
Pike 2 > 1 Inf3cted. Pike didn't save the replays. Me and Inf3cted decided to make a good will gesture and make PL the favour of sending replays without reversing the score in EE favour (as the rules say). This one set can't cost us the whole season, right? Right?
JIM 2 > 1 Julia. They played a map that is not in the map pool so score was drawed.
After Week 6, there was only 1 NW not played - between EE and AP from Round 1. After calculations, even if EE 6:0 AP, EE would be 1 point away from a tie with PL and RU. I go and ask PL's captain "Hey, lets go play JIM vs Julia set, so EE have a chance to TIE the score if EE 6-0s AP and EE not be completely screwed up?" Not only do I receive a bunch of general talk "EE could have won other matches" and comments of totally other subject like "all admins hate poles" but before saying 'no' for the 3rd time, PL's leader straight up lied to me that Pike had the replays, while from what I’m told, he totally didn’t?! How would anyone that is aware of that example, do a favour like that?
Because of PL’s leader now I must act like a nitpicking the rules retard in such cases?
I had only last replay (as it saved itself lastreplay.rep in folder) because i hadn't known that my autoreplay after update doesn't work. I told about it to Game and he asked Inf3cted does he has replays and want to send them to him, but Game said clearly that if he won't get it from Inf3cted i will get 0-2 w.o. because i don't have all replays. It was Inf3cted decision.
I would be only very disappointed if Inf3cted won't do it, as i am now seeing Game decision about not sharing his replays vs v0rti.
17) No BM or flaming will be tolerated in Official SBWI Nation Wars threads, failure to abide by this rule will result in action taken against the offending nation at the organizer's discretion.
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Wait, I thought if you follow the rules, you follow them since beggining, not when the league is almost over, right? BM was presented for whole season, so i really don't understand what's going on here. Uhmm and sorry but i don't see any BM from Radley and Mazur. But if sharing a expression to others is BM then, there should be a rule about not being able to speak during the league.
Also TechnicS, you don't have to be shady, you can put my name instead of PL leader.
Also TechnicS, you don't have to be shady, you can put my name instead of PL leader.
I am not shady at all. I said everything very openly. Everyone can see the nickname on the front page of almost every SBWI Nation Wars thread. I just don't want to type it, that's all. Shady might be a guy that straight up lied or something. In our case, this is not me.
On February 20 2013 17:57 LRM)TechnicS wrote: EE vs PL week 5 of regular season
Pike 2 > 1 Inf3cted. Pike didn't save the replays. Me and Inf3cted decided to make a good will gesture and make PL the favour of sending replays without reversing the score in EE favour (as the rules say). This one set can't cost us the whole season, right? Right?
JIM 2 > 1 Julia. They played a map that is not in the map pool so score was drawed.
After Week 6, there was only 1 NW not played - between EE and AP from Round 1. After calculations, even if EE 6:0 AP, EE would be 1 point away from a tie with PL and RU. I go and ask PL's captain "Hey, lets go play JIM vs Julia set, so EE have a chance to TIE the score if EE 6-0s AP and EE not be completely screwed up?" Not only do I receive a bunch of general talk "EE could have won other matches" and comments of totally other subject like "all admins hate poles" but before saying 'no' for the 3rd time, PL's leader straight up lied to me that Pike had the replays, while from what I’m told, he totally didn’t?! How would anyone that is aware of that example, do a favour like that?
Because of PL’s leader now I must act like a nitpicking the rules retard in such cases?
I had only last replay (as it saved itself lastreplay.rep in folder) because i hadn't known that my autoreplay after update doesn't work. I told about it to Game and he asked Inf3cted does he has replays and want to send them to him, but Game said clearly that if he won't get it from Inf3cted i will get 0-2 w.o. because i don't have all replays. It was Inf3cted decision.
I would be only very disappointed if Inf3cted won't do it, as i am now seeing Game decision about not sharing his replays vs v0rti.
Pike, I don't blame on you. It's just that the case involves you. I suppose you even weren't aware about that (that we asked for favour and didn't receive it). It doesn't matter whose decision it was. EE gave PL a HUGE favour and 1-2weeks later, when EE asked for a much smaller one - we got denied by PL (JIM vs Julia game). Not only did EE got denied, but received some shallow talks and a try for a straight up lie.
Imo, don't ban anyone because this turned into a mess on both sides and have the finals play out, but any further BM is to be punished by a warning or some form of ban.
Threats of pulling out players/teams don't seem very nice as well.
Also, in the future, when there is a conflict of interest, have someone else be an admin/judge. For example, you cannot have a player be an admin/judge to his own person, team and anything that might change the outcome, benefit or hurt his team.
I know it's hard to find admins/organizers, so you had to make this choice, but at least try to appoint someone else for the matches that directly involve Game/his team.
Have both the winner and loser send the replays right after their match. That's backup in case the replay is corrupt/bugged, or if someone doesn't have it - casters need replays, and replays are needed to solve some possible problems.
If a person doesn't send 1 replay - warning to him. If he doesn't send 2 or more at the same time, he gets 2 warnings (ie. banned from the next NW) AND his team gets a warning.
2 warnings for a person = ban from the next NW. 3 warnings for a person = ban from the next two NW, team gets a warning. 4 warnings for a person = banned for this season, team gets a warning.
2 warnings for a team, this is hard to figure out: If it's round robin I guess -2 map (or match) points. If it's elimination, probably -1 match point for the NW in question (if it's a tie, play out an ace match, or decide based on total wins, with playing being preferable).
It would take more effort to keep track of the warnings/bans though.
It's easy to say stuff and criticize on others, especially when there's an issue, so I apologize in advance.
On February 22 2013 05:37 quirinus wrote: Imo, don't ban anyone because this turned into a mess on both sides and have the finals play out, but any further BM is to be punished by a warning or some form of ban.
Threats of pulling out players/teams don't seem very nice as well.
Also, in the future, when there is a conflict of interest, have someone else be an admin/judge. For example, you cannot have a player be an admin/judge to his own person, team and anything that might change the outcome, benefit or hurt his team.
I know it's hard to find admins/organizers, so you had to make this choice, but at least try to appoint someone else for the matches that directly involve Game/his team.
Have both the winner and loser send the replays. That's backup in case the replay is corrupt/bugged, or if someone doesn't have it - casters need replays, and replays are needed to solve some possible problems.
If a person doesn't send 1 replay - warning to him. If he doesn't send 2 or more, he gets 2 warnings (ie. banned from the next NW) AND his team gets a warning.
2 warnings for a person = ban from the next NW. 3 warnings for a person = ban from the next two NW. 4 warnings for a person = banned for this season.
2 warnings for a team, this is hard to figure out: If it's round robin I guess -2 map (or match) points. If it's elimination, probably -1 match point for the NW in question (if it's a tie, play out an ace match, or decide based on total wins, with playing being preferable).
It would take more effort to keep track of the warnings/bans.
It's easy to say stuff and criticize on others, especially when there's an issue, so I apologize in advance.
I agree I really don't understand why proper warnings aren't given. Make a statement tell the player why make it public and tell the player what will happen if he makes a mistake again.
The rules have been expressed since the beginning of the league, and for the most part, followed. To warn someone when all they have to do is play in the finals is nonsense in this case.
There was several miscommunications by both sides regarding the postponed match of NA versus CE. The deadline for postponements has been Friday @ 19CET all season long. However, in this extreme circumstance of dual faults, the set will be granted playing ability until Sunday at 19CET.
On February 23 2013 05:08 Game wrote: The rules have been expressed since the beginning of the league, and for the most part, followed. To warn someone when all they have to do is play in the finals is nonsense in this case.
Something similar can be said about instabanning people
cant we just all get along and play our beloved game ?
why every awesome tournament must have its dose of some absolutely ridicolous drama.. T_T I mean some drama is ok and should be encouraged even but.. the positive drama, not this bullshit..
There was several miscommunications by both sides regarding the postponed match of NA versus CE. The deadline for postponements has been Friday @ 19CET all season long. However, in this extreme circumstance of dual faults, the set will be granted playing ability until Sunday at 19CET.
Wait, why are you changing the rules during the season? I thought deadline is friday 19 CET. Banning players for nothing and moving deadline on Sunday? That's not fair.
So blurry the end of this League.Started great, ends like shit. Thx to the sponsors and the casters. Some of this "admins/players" instead of bringing value to this game are putting their own interest above fair-play.
On March 04 2013 06:27 Mewka wrote: There should be new topic with finals
One topic with results would be far more interesting to anyone who edits LP or TLPD than a series of not updated threads. Obviously. Sadly, this is not possible.
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. Nevertheless, I said I do not know the ruling about BM (since I do not care about the BM rules). Does not mean the logical "Do not abuse your admin rights in favor of yourself" is out of competition^^ 
