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Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
August 12 2012 08:10 GMT
#241
I know it's not fair to compare PL Terrans to Taeja, but I can't stop doing it. I guess that's what happens when you watch a ten-hour TAC match.

Sea's on a different level from most pro SC2 Terrans. It's not a higher level, I guess, but it's different. I suppose I should cheer PL players for being creative, because a few of them will be creative in a good way, but pulling SCVs against storm is really silly, and I don't understand the thought process. It's not like Sea was far behind. If anything, he was slightly ahead economically.

Did Sun play in WCS? I was about to say he didn't do well there, but I don't see him on the brackets. Jaedong went 0-2 to Alive, but he looked really good during it (and Alive is really good), and Jaedong in the Ace match is starting to get legendary.
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
August 12 2012 08:11 GMT
#242
On August 12 2012 17:09 Bruky wrote:
Sun is zerg killer. He has 75% winrate in PvZ in SC2

Oh dear... so he is the sniper? This is why I hope they don't use jaedong so often in Ace matches. Just opens him up to being sniped
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6103 Posts
August 12 2012 08:11 GMT
#243
Any translations of bisu's interview?
#1 Terran hater
chuDr3t4
Profile Joined April 2010
Russian Federation484 Posts
August 12 2012 08:12 GMT
#244
On August 12 2012 17:04 Nikon wrote:
Lol Bisu fans.

That game was honestly entertaining.
I live in Russia. I wear the fufaika, valenoks and the shapka-ushanka with the red star. I drink vodka straight from the samovar, and my riding bear plays on the balalaika.
jaQi
Profile Joined December 2010
1121 Posts
August 12 2012 08:12 GMT
#245
On August 12 2012 17:10 Ribbon wrote:
I know it's not fair to compare PL Terrans to Taeja, but I can't stop doing it. I guess that's what happens when you watch a ten-hour TAC match.

Sea's on a different level from most pro SC2 Terrans. It's not a higher level, I guess, but it's different. I suppose I should cheer PL players for being creative, because a few of them will be creative in a good way, but pulling SCVs against storm is really silly, and I don't understand the thought process. It's not like Sea was far behind. If anything, he was slightly ahead economically.

Did Sun play in WCS? I was about to say he didn't do well there, but I don't see him on the brackets. Jaedong went 0-2 to Alive, but he looked really good during it (and Alive is really good), and Jaedong in the Ace match is starting to get legendary.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=358430

He got 2-0d .
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
August 12 2012 08:13 GMT
#246
On August 12 2012 17:12 chuDr3t4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 17:04 Nikon wrote:
Lol Bisu fans.

That game was honestly entertaining.

Entertaining. But not in the competitive way.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
August 12 2012 08:13 GMT
#247
On August 12 2012 17:13 ImNightmare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 17:12 chuDr3t4 wrote:
On August 12 2012 17:04 Nikon wrote:
Lol Bisu fans.

That game was honestly entertaining.

Entertaining. But not in the competitive way.

Welcome to the hybrid Proleague!
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PineappleLumpsToss
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand2434 Posts
August 12 2012 08:14 GMT
#248
On August 12 2012 17:11 ImNightmare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 17:09 Bruky wrote:
Sun is zerg killer. He has 75% winrate in PvZ in SC2

Oh dear... so he is the sniper? This is why I hope they don't use jaedong so often in Ace matches. Just opens him up to being sniped


Sun has been our SC2 Ace pretty much from Day 1 of this season. He's not being sent in specifically as a sniper, he would've been sent anyway b/c he's SKT's best SC2 player.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 12 2012 08:14 GMT
#249
On August 12 2012 17:11 ImNightmare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 17:09 Bruky wrote:
Sun is zerg killer. He has 75% winrate in PvZ in SC2

Oh dear... so he is the sniper? This is why I hope they don't use jaedong so often in Ace matches. Just opens him up to being sniped


Hey worked in bw for a long time. People always tried to snipe jaedong and would lose .
When I think of something else, something will go here
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
August 12 2012 08:15 GMT
#250
Jaedong <3
Jaedong :3
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-12 08:16:31
August 12 2012 08:16 GMT
#251
On August 12 2012 17:14 PineappleLumpsToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 17:11 ImNightmare wrote:
On August 12 2012 17:09 Bruky wrote:
Sun is zerg killer. He has 75% winrate in PvZ in SC2

Oh dear... so he is the sniper? This is why I hope they don't use jaedong so often in Ace matches. Just opens him up to being sniped


Sun has been our SC2 Ace pretty much from Day 1 of this season. He's not being sent in specifically as a sniper, he would've been sent anyway b/c he's SKT's best SC2 player.

Is he good? I have never watched SKT's games in sc2.lol.
Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
August 12 2012 08:16 GMT
#252
jesus terrans are so bad at sc2 lolol
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
August 12 2012 08:17 GMT
#253
Awww.. Bisu looks so emotional. Must have been a tough ride for him
PineappleLumpsToss
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand2434 Posts
August 12 2012 08:17 GMT
#254
On August 12 2012 17:16 ImNightmare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 17:14 PineappleLumpsToss wrote:
On August 12 2012 17:11 ImNightmare wrote:
On August 12 2012 17:09 Bruky wrote:
Sun is zerg killer. He has 75% winrate in PvZ in SC2

Oh dear... so he is the sniper? This is why I hope they don't use jaedong so often in Ace matches. Just opens him up to being sniped


Sun has been our SC2 Ace pretty much from Day 1 of this season. He's not being sent in specifically as a sniper, he would've been sent anyway b/c he's SKT's best SC2 player.

Is he good? I have never watched SKT's games in sc2.lol.


JD looked better in the recent Bliz tournament, but Sun is definitely decent.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 12 2012 08:17 GMT
#255
On August 12 2012 17:16 ImNightmare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 17:14 PineappleLumpsToss wrote:
On August 12 2012 17:11 ImNightmare wrote:
On August 12 2012 17:09 Bruky wrote:
Sun is zerg killer. He has 75% winrate in PvZ in SC2

Oh dear... so he is the sniper? This is why I hope they don't use jaedong so often in Ace matches. Just opens him up to being sniped


Sun has been our SC2 Ace pretty much from Day 1 of this season. He's not being sent in specifically as a sniper, he would've been sent anyway b/c he's SKT's best SC2 player.

Is he good? I have never watched SKT's games in sc2.lol.


He's quite solid, he has one of the best PL records if not the best.
haka
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1414 Posts
August 12 2012 08:17 GMT
#256
On August 12 2012 17:16 ImNightmare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 17:14 PineappleLumpsToss wrote:
On August 12 2012 17:11 ImNightmare wrote:
On August 12 2012 17:09 Bruky wrote:
Sun is zerg killer. He has 75% winrate in PvZ in SC2

Oh dear... so he is the sniper? This is why I hope they don't use jaedong so often in Ace matches. Just opens him up to being sniped


Sun has been our SC2 Ace pretty much from Day 1 of this season. He's not being sent in specifically as a sniper, he would've been sent anyway b/c he's SKT's best SC2 player.

Is he good? I have never watched SKT's games in sc2.lol.

He's actually pretty decent. 13-6 overall, 6-2 vZ.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-12 08:20:07
August 12 2012 08:18 GMT
#257
On August 12 2012 17:10 NguN wrote:
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On August 12 2012 17:04 Obelisco wrote:
Sea was like, huh i have eco advantage? better start suiciding scvs until i die


Any eco advantage was negated when Sea lost his hidden base.. PLUS all the units that died for almost nothing. The game was somewhat even a little in Bisu's favor because of army, and tech advantage (2 Collosus when no Vikings are out). But, Bisu then lost that lead when he threw away 2 collosus, and some gateway army.

Sea was probably like, I killed 2 collosus, most of the gateway army (especially Sentries) are gone, I have 5 rax full of production. If I pull some scv's I can kill the Protoss before they power up too much.

Not the most optimal strategy, but I can only imagine that's what he thought lol.


I know I'm harping on the Taeja thing, but he's playing a completely different game then other Terrans, and it's starting to convince me all the other PL and GSL Terrans are playing the game wrong, and that was a good example of wrong play. But I have trouble putting into words why. Day[9] did a daily on Taeja's TvZ where he talked about how everything Taeja did was not to do damage but to maintain control. I see bits of that in his TvP as well, where he only cares about killing Tripods/Templar and fuck the gateway units who gives a shit if I lose the battle. PL (and many GSL) players are all about "and then I kill him", but that way leads to overextension and throwing away leads.

If I were smarter, I feel like I could learn a lot of comparing the Bisu/Sea game to the Taeja/Yonghwa game earlier today.

edit: Day[9] daily in question: http://day9.tv/d/Day9/tvz-from-terran-perspective/
whirlpool
Profile Joined June 2011
2788 Posts
August 12 2012 08:19 GMT
#258
EEEE JAEDONG Fighting !
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
August 12 2012 08:19 GMT
#259
On August 12 2012 17:18 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 17:10 NguN wrote:
On August 12 2012 17:04 Obelisco wrote:
Sea was like, huh i have eco advantage? better start suiciding scvs until i die


Any eco advantage was negated when Sea lost his hidden base.. PLUS all the units that died for almost nothing. The game was somewhat even a little in Bisu's favor because of army, and tech advantage (2 Collosus when no Vikings are out). But, Bisu then lost that lead when he threw away 2 collosus, and some gateway army.

Sea was probably like, I killed 2 collosus, most of the gateway army (especially Sentries) are gone, I have 5 rax full of production. If I pull some scv's I can kill the Protoss before they power up too much.

Not the most optimal strategy, but I can only imagine that's what he thought lol.


I know I'm harping on the Taeja thing, but he's playing a completely different game then other Terrans, and it's starting to convince me all the other PL and GSL Terrans are playing the game wrong, and that was a good example of wrong play. But I have trouble putting into words why. Day[9] did a daily on Taeja's TvZ where he talked about how everything Taeja did was not to do damage but to maintain control. I see bits of that in his TvP as well, where he only cares about killing Tripods/Templar and fuck the gateway units who gives a shit if I lose the battle. PL (and many GSL) players are all about "and then I kill him", but that way leads to overextension and throwing away leads.

If I were smarter, I feel like I could learn a lot of comparing the Bisu/Sea game to the Taeja/Yonghwa game earlier today.

You might want to focus less on Day9's analysis. That guy contradicts himself. I like him, but he isn't like the ultimate encyclopedia in sc2.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
August 12 2012 08:20 GMT
#260
Sun in red at the 3. Jaedong in blue at the 9.
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