EPTOr Jangbi, obv.
[OSL] Ro16 Day 6 - Page 37
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Turbovolver
Australia2454 Posts
Or Jangbi, obv. | ||
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smekz
Portugal503 Posts
On May 31 2012 12:40 setzer wrote: Fantasy has never been put on the same level as Bisu or Stork, nor considered Code S, despite far better SL results than both and sometimes better PL results. Only recently did he get 1st rank on the power rank. He has NEVER lost a PL post-season game and has come up big in the biggest moments. He easily won against Stork but wasn't considered the favorite in the next season, maybe not even in the top 3. People, for whatever reason, have never looked at Fantasy in the same light as others like TBLS. Add in people saying his success is only because of Oov and Boxer and you get a lot of fans who do think he is underrated. don't forget the fact that in TL probably most of skt1 fans are bisu fanboys in the first place. how can he get the recognition he truly deserves when even his team fans failed to acknowledge that? | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
On May 31 2012 13:34 Ryo wrote: Nah, Shine can't beat Fantasy. Fantasy's only competitor is Jangbi, as long as Jangbi continues to think he's destined to win the last OSL. You're grossly underestimating flash if you think Fantasy's just gonna walk over him in a Bo5. No way bogus is beating flash twice in a row and action has spent too long getting mauled in practice. | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On May 31 2012 14:05 Scarecrow wrote: You're grossly underestimating flash if you think Fantasy's just gonna walk over him in a Bo5. No way bogus is beating flash twice in a row and action has spent too long getting mauled in practice. I never said Flash wouldn't get past the Ro16, or the Ro8 for that matter. Edit: I'm assuming the winner of A plays the runner-up of group D, like the last 2 OSLs. Or have they released a different draw? | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On May 31 2012 12:16 bowen888 wrote: Your just sore that your favourite player lost...Grow up! He's using statistics to predict something and statistics show that there was a much higher probability of it going one way. What shitty attitude is this trying to tell other people to grow up? These statistics are true regardless of rather he's a KT or STX or flash or bogus fan. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
On May 31 2012 14:10 Ryo wrote: I never said Flash wouldn't get past the Ro16, or the Ro8 for that matter. Edit: I'm assuming the winner of A plays the runner-up of group D, like the last 2 OSLs. Or have they released a different draw? I was more disagreeing with the 'jangbi is the only competitor' comment and preempting the counter argument that flash might not even make the ro8. Zero in the ro8 will be ugly, Flash TvZ looks unbeatable these days + it's bo5. A repeat of the MSL Flash vs Fantasy semi would be amazing although I'm not sure how the ro4/8 matchups are decided besides 1st place plays 2nd place. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On May 31 2012 12:40 setzer wrote: Fantasy has never been put on the same level as Bisu or Stork, nor considered Code S, despite far better SL results than both and sometimes better PL results. Only recently did he get 1st rank on the power rank. He has NEVER lost a PL post-season game and has come up big in the biggest moments. He easily won against Stork but wasn't considered the favorite in the next season, maybe not even in the top 3. People, for whatever reason, have never looked at Fantasy in the same light as others like TBLS. Add in people saying his success is only because of Oov and Boxer and you get a lot of fans who do think he is underrated. Someone ignorant of the facts of fantasy's performance can't possible have an evaluation thats worth any weight, and whether they pick an opinion that's underrated or overrated is entirely coincidental. If anything more people overrated him on the ignorant basis that he's boxer / oov's protege, not underrated. The points you made - not same level as bisu or stork (thats because he wasn't when people thought that, which isn't under rating), not considered code S (thats ridiculous, most people did), only recently get 1st rank (thats because he deserved it now, and flash deserved rank 1 most of the time he had it). Legitimate points about other things. Imo he wasn't considered TBLS level because he just couldn't match flash in the rivalry when TBLS was first thought up (2007-2008 Bisu / Stork was a very back and forth rivalry), just like how there isn't another zerg in the TBLS because no other zergs came close then. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On May 31 2012 11:28 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Pretty sure he meant analyzing this one game itself, not whatever it is your doing. Also, you seem upset. In addition that's what makes brood war great. Games aren't played on paper, or by the fans, anything can happen, and much to the dismay of Flash and JD fans, things do happen occasionally. Remember when even at the (or one of) the peaks of Flash's career, he lost like 5,6, or 7 consecutive ace matches, most (all?) to terrans? He was still the best overall player, but players can practice and plan accordingly and outplay Flash. He's just human after all. What's the big deal? He's not even eliminated yet. The big deal is this guy's attitude and saying it's blind fanboyism and that he should "grow up" because he pick flash as favorite over bogus in TvT right now, would be as stupid as someone picking some random zerg over Jaedong during JvZ and saying its blind fanboyism other wise. | ||
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BreakerD
United States159 Posts
Bogus looked good.......He seemed like the the ace player that he's suppose to be. Contained Flash and was all over the place the commentator couldnt seem to keep up............I see Bogus upsetting out of the tie breaker if he can go back into his beast mode from 2 PL ago. | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On May 31 2012 14:20 Scarecrow wrote: I was more disagreeing with the 'jangbi is the only competitor' comment and preempting the counter argument that flash might not even make the ro8. Zero in the ro8 will be ugly, Flash TvZ looks unbeatable these days + it's bo5. A repeat of the MSL Flash vs Fantasy semi would be amazing although I'm not sure how the ro4/8 matchups are decided besides 1st place plays 2nd place. In his current state, I just don't think Flash will win 3 consecutive Bo5s, beating Fantasy along the way. | ||
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Ideas
United States8182 Posts
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Turbovolver
Australia2454 Posts
On May 31 2012 14:58 Ideas wrote: I feel bad for fantasy. he has been the best player in the world for the last 6+ months but never really has a shot to definitely prove it because of lack of venue. fewer PL matches (and no ACE match), seeded in finals so he couldn't rape up playoffs, and only 1 individual league. worst of all it all seems so much less important because of the fucking sc2 switch :\ Yeah, even as an anti-fan I agree whole-heartedly with this :/ | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
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SCnai
322 Posts
On May 31 2012 12:40 setzer wrote: nor considered Code S On May 31 2012 14:23 Caihead wrote: not considered code S Too much SC2 guys... | ||
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Hazzyboy
Estonia555 Posts
Fantasy is underrated by everyone. Bisu got an MVP from Kespa so no need to keep saying that all the time. In other news soO is really "hyuking" everyone up. He was close to finals last OSL and now he proves he can get there again. I'm really pulling for this underdog to shock every1. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On May 31 2012 16:25 SCnai wrote: I think when they talk about Fanta being under appreciated they mean the more casual, TV crowd. Fanta is a BW genius in a strict sense of the word: both flamboyant and efficient. He will destroy you and make it look subtle. (/fanboy mode off). Too much SC2 guys... Woops, yeah I meant S-class. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
I don't know what worse: the coin flippy nature of the games or the fact protosses are always dying to it. | ||
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Grend
1600 Posts
Hope Flash advances, he usually does way better in BO5 than group play | ||
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RageCommodore
Germany912 Posts
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