Guys I know you hate the format, so do I, but I owe it to the players to be there for them. 2011-2012 SK PlanetProLeague Season 2Round 1 Week 1 Monday May 21st 05:00 GMT (+00:00)
Playing Sc2 one day, Brood War the next. :\ I feel so bad for the players, it's hard enough to practice a lot and be on your A-game for one game yet alone two.
Wait, WTF!? This is coming on at 2pm KST? Kind of depressing that SPL has been demoted to a time slot where people are working or still in school. Is LOL filling in OGN's prime time slot now?
On May 21 2012 13:36 baubo wrote: Wait, WTF!? This is coming on at 2pm KST? Kind of depressing that SPL has been demoted to a time slot where people are working or still in school. Is LOL filling in OGN's prime time slot now?
It makes sense to use this season as filler. I don't know of too many people who are really satisfied with the format, and BWs was already struggling. Even if you are one of the people that enjoys both games, the overall quality of play is not at the highest level (understandably, given the demands of practicing two very different games) and this season is more about transition for the players, teams, and broadcaster than it is about fans, viewership, and profit.
On May 21 2012 13:36 baubo wrote: Wait, WTF!? This is coming on at 2pm KST? Kind of depressing that SPL has been demoted to a time slot where people are working or still in school. Is LOL filling in OGN's prime time slot now?
On May 21 2012 13:36 baubo wrote: Wait, WTF!? This is coming on at 2pm KST? Kind of depressing that SPL has been demoted to a time slot where people are working or still in school. Is LOL filling in OGN's prime time slot now?
Sudden Attack is at 6pm
whats the difference between sudden attack and special forces, aren't they the same or am I just confused.
On May 21 2012 13:36 baubo wrote: Wait, WTF!? This is coming on at 2pm KST? Kind of depressing that SPL has been demoted to a time slot where people are working or still in school. Is LOL filling in OGN's prime time slot now?
Sudden Attack is at 6pm
whats the difference between sudden attack and special forces, aren't they the same or am I just confused.
On May 21 2012 13:36 baubo wrote: Wait, WTF!? This is coming on at 2pm KST? Kind of depressing that SPL has been demoted to a time slot where people are working or still in school. Is LOL filling in OGN's prime time slot now?
Sudden Attack is at 6pm
Wierd, I guess sudden attack needs all the studio audience it can get
On May 21 2012 13:36 baubo wrote: Wait, WTF!? This is coming on at 2pm KST? Kind of depressing that SPL has been demoted to a time slot where people are working or still in school. Is LOL filling in OGN's prime time slot now?
Sudden Attack is at 6pm
Wierd, I guess sudden attack needs all the studio audience it can get
I think the season was already under way by the time PL started so they didn't want to mess with the schedule.
On May 21 2012 13:36 baubo wrote: Wait, WTF!? This is coming on at 2pm KST? Kind of depressing that SPL has been demoted to a time slot where people are working or still in school. Is LOL filling in OGN's prime time slot now?
Sudden Attack is at 6pm
Wierd, I guess sudden attack needs all the studio audience it can get
I think the season was already under way by the time PL started so they didn't want to mess with the schedule.
Hey guys... I'm a SC2 guy straying far from home! Is there an English restream of this that you guys are aware of? Thanks! I'd love to watch, but i find bw hard to understand without English casters
On May 21 2012 13:36 baubo wrote: Wait, WTF!? This is coming on at 2pm KST? Kind of depressing that SPL has been demoted to a time slot where people are working or still in school. Is LOL filling in OGN's prime time slot now?
It makes sense to use this season as filler. I don't know of too many people who are really satisfied with the format, and BWs was already struggling. Even if you are one of the people that enjoys both games, the overall quality of play is not at the highest level (understandably, given the demands of practicing two very different games) and this season is more about transition for the players, teams, and broadcaster than it is about fans, viewership, and profit.
BW even dying is still probably the most popular esport in Korea. And IMO certainly not worth a demotion to 2pm, the time when people have just finished eating lunch and about to go back to work/classes.
Edit: Saw Ryo's post. I can understand that, but still kind of depressing.
Merging BW and SC2 into one league reminds me of Sonic Generations where both classic and modern styles are used. Having the old and the new played side by side seems to be a good idea. As far as I'm concerned, Generations was the best game in the series in a long time and this tournament format is a really innovative breath of fresh air from traditional BW or SC2 leagues.
On May 21 2012 14:05 caneras wrote: Merging BW and SC2 into one league reminds me of Sonic Generations where both classic and modern styles are used. Having the old and the new played side by side seems to be a good idea. As far as I'm concerned, Generations was the best game in the series in a long time and this tournament format is a really innovative breath of fresh air from traditional BW or SC2 leagues.
The concept could be good if it was dedicated Brood War and StarCraft II pros playing their respective games, but having the same player play both gives us underwhelming Brood War and incomprehensible StarCraft II.
On May 21 2012 13:38 jdsarge wrote: Jaedong and Effort have to play BW because they played Star 2 last night, correct? If they were fielded that is.
Yes, both played SC2 first round and so both have to be assigned to a BW match before they can be used in SC2 again. Effort looked like one of the stronger SC2 players last night, so I imagine he'll get a lot of play in both games. JD's SC2 looked really undeveloped so far though.
On May 21 2012 14:06 Deathmanbob wrote: lets go CJ! as a sc2 fan i need to pick one of these teams to root for and it might as well be CJ
good choice
now add a CJ icon to your posts
just because you asked so nicely, now tell me more about cj and why i shouldnt change loyalty to khan or kt? (with my very little knowledge of BW i think these are the top 3 teams)
Jaedong has too many lings. hero cancels hatch, loses all his lings. Jaedong heading for Heros main. Hero has nothing but drones, fights until he loses most drones.... Hero GG's.
On May 21 2012 14:06 Deathmanbob wrote: lets go CJ! as a sc2 fan i need to pick one of these teams to root for and it might as well be CJ
good choice
now add a CJ icon to your posts
just because you asked so nicely, now tell me more about cj and why i shouldnt change loyalty to khan or kt? (with my very little knowledge of BW i think these are the top 3 teams)
On May 21 2012 14:06 Deathmanbob wrote: lets go CJ! as a sc2 fan i need to pick one of these teams to root for and it might as well be CJ
good choice
now add a CJ icon to your posts
just because you asked so nicely, now tell me more about cj and why i shouldnt change loyalty to khan or kt? (with my very little knowledge of BW i think these are the top 3 teams)
On May 21 2012 14:06 Deathmanbob wrote: lets go CJ! as a sc2 fan i need to pick one of these teams to root for and it might as well be CJ
good choice
now add a CJ icon to your posts
just because you asked so nicely, now tell me more about cj and why i shouldnt change loyalty to khan or kt? (with my very little knowledge of BW i think these are the top 3 teams)
On May 21 2012 14:12 setzer wrote: Tuned in right as Jaedong killed the nat hatch. What was hero thinking going three hatches?
I believe he was trying to do a ling bust with hatch first in base hatchery is what he did. Think he was hoping he could surprise JD with mass lings but didn't work.
On May 21 2012 14:06 Deathmanbob wrote: lets go CJ! as a sc2 fan i need to pick one of these teams to root for and it might as well be CJ
good choice
now add a CJ icon to your posts
just because you asked so nicely, now tell me more about cj and why i shouldnt change loyalty to khan or kt? (with my very little knowledge of BW i think these are the top 3 teams)
What the fuck I had no idea this was going on tonight! I go on TL and see the LR thread, i open the stream and I see the gg from hero aww I missed the game..
On May 21 2012 14:06 Deathmanbob wrote: lets go CJ! as a sc2 fan i need to pick one of these teams to root for and it might as well be CJ
good choice
now add a CJ icon to your posts
just because you asked so nicely, now tell me more about cj and why i shouldnt change loyalty to khan or kt? (with my very little knowledge of BW i think these are the top 3 teams)
CJ is a team that is satisfying to root for, its players are badass and generally everyone likes CJ and its fans.
On May 21 2012 14:06 Deathmanbob wrote: lets go CJ! as a sc2 fan i need to pick one of these teams to root for and it might as well be CJ
good choice
now add a CJ icon to your posts
just because you asked so nicely, now tell me more about cj and why i shouldnt change loyalty to khan or kt? (with my very little knowledge of BW i think these are the top 3 teams)
We have Effort, one of the greatest zerg ballers out there (you saw him cream flash last night I assume)
CJ is a pretty deep team (at least in BW)--which allows them to dominate dream league (the BW minor league) and play well in Bo7 formats.
Horang2 is a totally loveable and awesome player as well, as is Leta.
On May 21 2012 14:15 BrosephBrostar wrote: Hero's build seemed really bad.
Its not really that his build was bad. 12 hatch in base is just fine if you make it to muta tech. Its just more defensive than 12 hatch in natural. The thing was he had a really bad ling engagement and lost map control. Without that, you can't take your natural and Jaedong's build he would've been able to immediately make his 2nd gas into muta tech if he spotted lair from herO.
On May 21 2012 14:06 Deathmanbob wrote: lets go CJ! as a sc2 fan i need to pick one of these teams to root for and it might as well be CJ
good choice
now add a CJ icon to your posts
just because you asked so nicely, now tell me more about cj and why i shouldnt change loyalty to khan or kt? (with my very little knowledge of BW i think these are the top 3 teams)
okay, i read the CJ thread and liked what i saw....anyone else want to sway me to another team? im all for learning about these guys seeing how we are all one big happy family now
On May 21 2012 14:17 ninini wrote: What do you guys mean with bad timeslot? This time is pretty standard. 7AM Central European time. I've seen everything between 4AM to 12PM.
Well most people are either going to work or school at this time in EU
On May 21 2012 14:06 Deathmanbob wrote: lets go CJ! as a sc2 fan i need to pick one of these teams to root for and it might as well be CJ
good choice
now add a CJ icon to your posts
just because you asked so nicely, now tell me more about cj and why i shouldnt change loyalty to khan or kt? (with my very little knowledge of BW i think these are the top 3 teams)
I ask one more time because no one answered me before lol, could someone kindly direct me to an English stream if such a stream does indeed exist? I don't understand broodwar without english streamers
On May 21 2012 14:17 ninini wrote: What do you guys mean with bad timeslot? This time is pretty standard. 7AM Central European time. I've seen everything between 4AM to 12PM.
Probably about Korean time, hence empty chairs in audience.
On May 21 2012 14:06 Deathmanbob wrote: lets go CJ! as a sc2 fan i need to pick one of these teams to root for and it might as well be CJ
good choice
now add a CJ icon to your posts
just because you asked so nicely, now tell me more about cj and why i shouldnt change loyalty to khan or kt? (with my very little knowledge of BW i think these are the top 3 teams)
okay, i read the CJ thread and liked what i saw....anyone else want to sway me to another team? im all for learning about these guys seeing how we are all one big happy family now
On May 21 2012 14:17 ninini wrote: What do you guys mean with bad timeslot? This time is pretty standard. 7AM Central European time. I've seen everything between 4AM to 12PM.
Timeslot certainly isn't the only reason why there are less than 15 pple in the audience. There have been midweek lunch time matches before.
On May 21 2012 14:06 Deathmanbob wrote: lets go CJ! as a sc2 fan i need to pick one of these teams to root for and it might as well be CJ
good choice
now add a CJ icon to your posts
just because you asked so nicely, now tell me more about cj and why i shouldnt change loyalty to khan or kt? (with my very little knowledge of BW i think these are the top 3 teams)
okay, i read the CJ thread and liked what i saw....anyone else want to sway me to another team? im all for learning about these guys seeing how we are all one big happy family now
pick 1 team and stick with it to the end, people hate leavers.
On May 21 2012 14:18 nmetasch wrote: I ask one more time because no one answered me before lol, could someone kindly direct me to an English stream if such a stream does indeed exist? I don't understand broodwar without english streamers
Sayle was supposed to be casting tonight, he posted that he would. Not sure what happened to that.
err never mind I read it wrong, he is doing a rebroadcast later.
On May 21 2012 14:06 Deathmanbob wrote: lets go CJ! as a sc2 fan i need to pick one of these teams to root for and it might as well be CJ
good choice
now add a CJ icon to your posts
just because you asked so nicely, now tell me more about cj and why i shouldnt change loyalty to khan or kt? (with my very little knowledge of BW i think these are the top 3 teams)
okay, i read the CJ thread and liked what i saw....anyone else want to sway me to another team? im all for learning about these guys seeing how we are all one big happy family now
On May 21 2012 14:06 Deathmanbob wrote: lets go CJ! as a sc2 fan i need to pick one of these teams to root for and it might as well be CJ
good choice
now add a CJ icon to your posts
just because you asked so nicely, now tell me more about cj and why i shouldnt change loyalty to khan or kt? (with my very little knowledge of BW i think these are the top 3 teams)
okay, i read the CJ thread and liked what i saw....anyone else want to sway me to another team? im all for learning about these guys seeing how we are all one big happy family now
pick 1 team and stick with it to the end, people hate leavers.
once the CJ tag is on you are with it forever.
im from sc2, my loyalty to a team died when OGS disbanded i need to learn to love again!
On May 21 2012 14:18 nmetasch wrote: I ask one more time because no one answered me before lol, could someone kindly direct me to an English stream if such a stream does indeed exist? I don't understand broodwar without english streamers
Sayle was supposed to be casting tonight, he posted that he would. Not sure what happened to that.
He's probably asleep after casting the 10-hour marathon SPL event last night.
On May 21 2012 14:06 Deathmanbob wrote: lets go CJ! as a sc2 fan i need to pick one of these teams to root for and it might as well be CJ
good choice
now add a CJ icon to your posts
just because you asked so nicely, now tell me more about cj and why i shouldnt change loyalty to khan or kt? (with my very little knowledge of BW i think these are the top 3 teams)
okay, i read the CJ thread and liked what i saw....anyone else want to sway me to another team? im all for learning about these guys seeing how we are all one big happy family now
cj just has the best overall "team" lineup for each race and I think it's good to cheer for them if you don't have a favourite player. Their zerg, protoss, and terran (well mainly leta) are all solid.
you don't have things like skt zerg or kt zerg (kt zerg are clutch playoffs, lose in the season). Samsung is all protoss, team 8 is wonky, ace is awesome but you'll be a sad fan.Woongjin doesn't have a great terran except light tvz, and stx got revived this season with new talent (last, dear).
01:17 @Kimoleon • q - congrats jaedongu 01:17 @Kimoleon • q - you must've been a little dissapointed in yesterday's game 01:18 @Kimoleon • jd - we prepared a lot, but I'm not worrying much about it 01:18 @Kimoleon • q - did you think your opponent would play some kind of allinish play 01:18 @Kimoleon • jd - herojoin has an agressive style, so I prepared for that 01:18 @Kimoleon • q - yesterday you lost all your sc2 games, how is team8's sc2 skills 01:19 @Kimoleon • jd - I think we're around the middle, but broadcast games are just one game, momentary decisions are important I think 01:19 @Kimoleon • q - you gotta bring back your pace this season, what do you think 01:20 @Kimoleon • jd - we prepared hard, and still doing it, doing two games is tough, I'll do my best to show my past form 01:20 @Kimoleon • q - you showed a struggling game vs toss, in sc2 how is zerg treating you? 01:21 @Kimoleon • jd - I don't think I'm not good yet, i do feel lacking in my play, it's not that I feel stress from the limitations of zerg 01:21 @Kimoleon • q - hope you have better matches in the future~ jd - ty
On May 21 2012 14:06 Deathmanbob wrote: lets go CJ! as a sc2 fan i need to pick one of these teams to root for and it might as well be CJ
good choice
now add a CJ icon to your posts
just because you asked so nicely, now tell me more about cj and why i shouldnt change loyalty to khan or kt? (with my very little knowledge of BW i think these are the top 3 teams)
okay, i read the CJ thread and liked what i saw....anyone else want to sway me to another team? im all for learning about these guys seeing how we are all one big happy family now
Slayers Boxer is the foundation of SKT T1. The Emperor protects.
I'm really curious if the SC2 guys are also watching these matches, and what they think (: So if any of you are out there, I really hope you share your thoughts.
On May 21 2012 14:15 BrosephBrostar wrote: Hero's build seemed really bad.
Its not really that his build was bad. 12 hatch in base is just fine if you make it to muta tech. Its just more defensive than 12 hatch in natural. The thing was he had a really bad ling engagement and lost map control. Without that, you can't take your natural and Jaedong's build he would've been able to immediately make his 2nd gas into muta tech if he spotted lair from herO.
Waiting for the second hatch to come online meant Jaedong had plenty of time to get his expo up, and since he took his drones out of gas it meant his lair was going to be late anyway.
On May 21 2012 14:06 Deathmanbob wrote: lets go CJ! as a sc2 fan i need to pick one of these teams to root for and it might as well be CJ
good choice
now add a CJ icon to your posts
just because you asked so nicely, now tell me more about cj and why i shouldnt change loyalty to khan or kt? (with my very little knowledge of BW i think these are the top 3 teams)
okay, i read the CJ thread and liked what i saw....anyone else want to sway me to another team? im all for learning about these guys seeing how we are all one big happy family now
cj just has the best overall "team" lineup for each race and I think it's good to cheer for them if you don't have a favourite player. Their zerg, protoss, and terran (well mainly leta) are all solid.
you don't have things like skt zerg or kt zerg (kt zerg are clutch playoffs, lose in the season). Samsung is all protoss, team 8 is wonky, ace is awesome but you'll be a sad fan.Woongjin doesn't have a great terran, and stx got revived this season with new talent (last, dear).
I come from Sc2 too, and I started watching proloeague late in last season. I made KT my team due to their zerg line playoff performance
On May 21 2012 14:06 Deathmanbob wrote: lets go CJ! as a sc2 fan i need to pick one of these teams to root for and it might as well be CJ
good choice
now add a CJ icon to your posts
just because you asked so nicely, now tell me more about cj and why i shouldnt change loyalty to khan or kt? (with my very little knowledge of BW i think these are the top 3 teams)
okay, i read the CJ thread and liked what i saw....anyone else want to sway me to another team? im all for learning about these guys seeing how we are all one big happy family now
cj just has the best overall "team" lineup for each race and I think it's good to cheer for them if you don't have a favourite player. Their zerg, protoss, and terran (well mainly leta) are all solid.
you don't have things like skt zerg or kt zerg (kt zerg are clutch playoffs, lose in the season). Samsung is all protoss, team 8 is wonky, ace is awesome but you'll be a sad fan.Woongjin doesn't have a great terran, and stx got revived this season with new talent (last, dear).
this might be a good idea, i am to new to BW to have a favorite player without being a mad bisu/dong/flash fan boy seeing how these are the names that get tossed around in sc2
On May 21 2012 14:21 Harem wrote: 01:17 @Kimoleon • q - congrats jaedongu 01:17 @Kimoleon • q - you must've been a little dissapointed in yesterday's game 01:18 @Kimoleon • jd - we prepared a lot, but I'm not worrying much about it 01:18 @Kimoleon • q - did you think your opponent would play some kind of allinish play 01:18 @Kimoleon • jd - herojoin has an agressive style, so I prepared for that 01:18 @Kimoleon • q - yesterday you lost all your sc2 games, how is team8's sc2 skills 01:19 @Kimoleon • jd - I think we're around the middle, but broadcast games are just one game, momentary decisions are important I think 01:19 @Kimoleon • q - you gotta bring back your pace this season, what do you think 01:20 @Kimoleon • jd - we prepared hard, and still doing it, doing two games is tough, I'll do my best to show my past form 01:20 @Kimoleon • q - you showed a struggling game vs toss, in sc2 how is zerg treating you? 01:21 @Kimoleon • jd - I don't think I'm not good yet, i do feel lacking in my play, it's not that I feel stress from the limitations of zerg 01:21 @Kimoleon • q - hope you have better matches in the future~ jd - ty
On May 21 2012 14:17 ninini wrote: What do you guys mean with bad timeslot? This time is pretty standard. 7AM Central European time. I've seen everything between 4AM to 12PM.
Probably about Korean time, hence empty chairs in audience.
On May 21 2012 14:06 Deathmanbob wrote: lets go CJ! as a sc2 fan i need to pick one of these teams to root for and it might as well be CJ
good choice
now add a CJ icon to your posts
just because you asked so nicely, now tell me more about cj and why i shouldnt change loyalty to khan or kt? (with my very little knowledge of BW i think these are the top 3 teams)
okay, i read the CJ thread and liked what i saw....anyone else want to sway me to another team? im all for learning about these guys seeing how we are all one big happy family now
pick 1 team and stick with it to the end, people hate leavers.
once the CJ tag is on you are with it forever.
I still believe Hwaseung Oz will reform and win next proleague!
On May 21 2012 14:21 FiWiFaKi wrote: I'm really curious if the SC2 guys are also watching these matches, and what they think (: So if any of you are out there, I really hope you share your thoughts.
i am! but i also started watching BW in early 2008 sooo i guess i dont count haha. still great fun to watch!
On May 21 2012 14:21 Harem wrote: 01:17 @Kimoleon • q - congrats jaedongu 01:17 @Kimoleon • q - you must've been a little dissapointed in yesterday's game 01:18 @Kimoleon • jd - we prepared a lot, but I'm not worrying much about it 01:18 @Kimoleon • q - did you think your opponent would play some kind of allinish play 01:18 @Kimoleon • jd - herojoin has an agressive style, so I prepared for that 01:18 @Kimoleon • q - yesterday you lost all your sc2 games, how is team8's sc2 skills 01:19 @Kimoleon • jd - I think we're around the middle, but broadcast games are just one game, momentary decisions are important I think 01:19 @Kimoleon • q - you gotta bring back your pace this season, what do you think 01:20 @Kimoleon • jd - we prepared hard, and still doing it, doing two games is tough, I'll do my best to show my past form 01:20 @Kimoleon • q - you showed a struggling game vs toss, in sc2 how is zerg treating you? 01:21 @Kimoleon • jd - I don't think I'm not good yet, i do feel lacking in my play, it's not that I feel stress from the limitations of zerg 01:21 @Kimoleon • q - hope you have better matches in the future~ jd - ty
On May 21 2012 14:21 FiWiFaKi wrote: I'm really curious if the SC2 guys are also watching these matches, and what they think (: So if any of you are out there, I really hope you share your thoughts.
i am! but i also started watching BW in early 2008 sooo i guess i dont count haha. still great fun to watch!
im watching as well, but then again i started watching BW last year so i know a little tiny bit about it. Bw is fun and when played at a very high level can be great to watch.....zvz sucks though
On May 21 2012 14:21 FiWiFaKi wrote: I'm really curious if the SC2 guys are also watching these matches, and what they think (: So if any of you are out there, I really hope you share your thoughts.
My friend is watching these with me. He's never played bw before. Really regrets it. He thinks tvp is his favorite. Much more dynamic than sc2 tvp.
On May 21 2012 14:24 Ideas wrote: you shouldn't make a team your favorite team based off of what other people tell you lol
watch some games and make your own decisions. just don't become one of the annoying skt1/kt/cj fans
well if i have to pick from games ive seen, i would have to be a CJ fan from effort ROLLING flash over in sc2 (as a sc2 fan effort is pretty damn good) i didnt get to see woolong(sp?) play and sayle was saying they are the best sc2 team
On May 21 2012 14:24 Ideas wrote: you shouldn't make a team your favorite team based off of what other people tell you lol
watch some games and make your own decisions. just don't become one of the annoying skt1/kt/cj fans
well if i have to pick from games ive seen, i would have to be a CJ fan from effort ROLLING flash over in sc2 (as a sc2 fan effort is pretty damn good) i didnt get to see woolong(sp?) play and sayle was saying they are the best sc2 team
On May 21 2012 14:24 Ideas wrote: you shouldn't make a team your favorite team based off of what other people tell you lol
watch some games and make your own decisions. just don't become one of the annoying skt1/kt/cj fans
well if i have to pick from games ive seen, i would have to be a CJ fan from effort ROLLING flash over in sc2 (as a sc2 fan effort is pretty damn good) i didnt get to see woolong(sp?) play and sayle was saying they are the best sc2 team
On May 21 2012 14:21 FiWiFaKi wrote: I'm really curious if the SC2 guys are also watching these matches, and what they think (: So if any of you are out there, I really hope you share your thoughts.
I think ZvZ is as fast as SC2 one. But it's good to see JD won after the yesterday's game.
On May 21 2012 14:24 Ideas wrote: you shouldn't make a team your favorite team based off of what other people tell you lol
watch some games and make your own decisions. just don't become one of the annoying skt1/kt/cj fans
well if i have to pick from games ive seen, i would have to be a CJ fan from effort ROLLING flash over in sc2 (as a sc2 fan effort is pretty damn good) i didnt get to see woolong(sp?) play and sayle was saying they are the best sc2 team
On May 21 2012 14:21 FiWiFaKi wrote: I'm really curious if the SC2 guys are also watching these matches, and what they think (: So if any of you are out there, I really hope you share your thoughts.
On May 21 2012 14:31 Deathmanbob wrote: so someone tell me is CJ far ahead or did ace do enough dmg killing scvs with tank shots to be even? i have no idea how BW works on econ/tech levels
with this cloaked wraith harass, BByong has the advantage in econ. However, Speed has map control, which is HUGE in TvT
On May 21 2012 14:21 FiWiFaKi wrote: I'm really curious if the SC2 guys are also watching these matches, and what they think (: So if any of you are out there, I really hope you share your thoughts.
BW-siege tanks are really good.
jaedong is really good at BW (or so it seemed)
goliath > thor
TvT seems somewhat similar to SC2
this battle im watchin right now seems big and spread out, more like a war with small engagements and inexorable pushes than a singular battle
and its kind of hard for me to tell whats going on but i like what i see. first time really watching BW and im pissed at myself for not checking it out sooner.
oh and those pointy motorcycle things (vultures?) are sick.
edit: wat is a marine shop? like an upgrade building?
On May 21 2012 14:21 FiWiFaKi wrote: I'm really curious if the SC2 guys are also watching these matches, and what they think (: So if any of you are out there, I really hope you share your thoughts.
BW-siege tanks are really good.
jaedong is really good at BW (or so it seemed)
goliath > thor
TvT seems somewhat similar to SC2
this battle im watchin right now seems big and spread out, more like a war with small engagements and inexorable pushes than a singular battle
and its kind of hard for me to tell whats going on but i like what i see. first time really watching BW and im pissed at myself for not checking it out sooner.
oh and those pointy motorcycle things (vultures?) are sick.
edit: wat is a marine shop? like an upgrade building?
"Vultures are free and have a build time of 0" - Liquid`NonY
Its a machine shop, an addon that lets you make tanks and goliaths, upgrades for mech are researched there.
On May 21 2012 14:21 FiWiFaKi wrote: I'm really curious if the SC2 guys are also watching these matches, and what they think (: So if any of you are out there, I really hope you share your thoughts.
BW-siege tanks are really good.
jaedong is really good at BW (or so it seemed)
goliath > thor
TvT seems somewhat similar to SC2 this battle im watchin right now seems big and spread out, more like a war with small engagements and inexorable pushes than a singular battle
and its kind of hard for me to tell whats going on but i like what i see. first time really watching BW and im pissed at myself for not checking it out sooner.
oh and those pointy motorcycle things (vultures?) are sick.
edit: wat is a marine shop? like an upgrade building?
this. its really really a strategical match up. very fun to watch if you really understand the game
On May 21 2012 14:21 FiWiFaKi wrote: I'm really curious if the SC2 guys are also watching these matches, and what they think (: So if any of you are out there, I really hope you share your thoughts.
BW-siege tanks are really good.
jaedong is really good at BW (or so it seemed)
goliath > thor
TvT seems somewhat similar to SC2
this battle im watchin right now seems big and spread out, more like a war with small engagements and inexorable pushes than a singular battle
and its kind of hard for me to tell whats going on but i like what i see. first time really watching BW and im pissed at myself for not checking it out sooner.
oh and those pointy motorcycle things (vultures?) are sick.
edit: wat is a marine shop? like an upgrade building?
Go watch the VODs for the last Proleague final and the last OSL final. You won't regret it.
On May 21 2012 14:21 FiWiFaKi wrote: I'm really curious if the SC2 guys are also watching these matches, and what they think (: So if any of you are out there, I really hope you share your thoughts.
BW-siege tanks are really good.
jaedong is really good at BW (or so it seemed)
goliath > thor
TvT seems somewhat similar to SC2
this battle im watchin right now seems big and spread out, more like a war with small engagements and inexorable pushes than a singular battle
and its kind of hard for me to tell whats going on but i like what i see. first time really watching BW and im pissed at myself for not checking it out sooner.
oh and those pointy motorcycle things (vultures?) are sick.
edit: wat is a marine shop? like an upgrade building?
machine shop. BW terran doesnt have generic tech labs but building-specific tech labs. the machine shop is the tech lab that only works for factories. starports have control towers. barracks have none.
On May 21 2012 14:21 FiWiFaKi wrote: I'm really curious if the SC2 guys are also watching these matches, and what they think (: So if any of you are out there, I really hope you share your thoughts.
this battle im watchin right now seems big and spread out, more like a war with small engagements and inexorable pushes than a singular battle
This singularly describes a large part of why I prefer BW over SC2.
On May 21 2012 14:21 FiWiFaKi wrote: I'm really curious if the SC2 guys are also watching these matches, and what they think (: So if any of you are out there, I really hope you share your thoughts.
this battle im watchin right now seems big and spread out, more like a war with small engagements and inexorable pushes than a singular battle
This singularly describes a large part of why I prefer BW over SC2.
On May 21 2012 14:21 FiWiFaKi wrote: I'm really curious if the SC2 guys are also watching these matches, and what they think (: So if any of you are out there, I really hope you share your thoughts.
BW-siege tanks are really good.
jaedong is really good at BW (or so it seemed)
goliath > thor
TvT seems somewhat similar to SC2
this battle im watchin right now seems big and spread out, more like a war with small engagements and inexorable pushes than a singular battle
and its kind of hard for me to tell whats going on but i like what i see. first time really watching BW and im pissed at myself for not checking it out sooner.
oh and those pointy motorcycle things (vultures?) are sick.
edit: wat is a marine shop? like an upgrade building?
A machine shop is basically a tech lab but only for a factory.
On May 21 2012 14:43 Scarecrow wrote: Agreed with Ryo, if you want to see a recent BW showcase the last proleague finals had every mu and amazing games
As much as I would like to see Effort play BW, I really think they should assign players to games. It's gotta be to hard to switch back and forth. Maybe Hydra...
On May 21 2012 14:21 FiWiFaKi wrote: I'm really curious if the SC2 guys are also watching these matches, and what they think (: So if any of you are out there, I really hope you share your thoughts.
BW-siege tanks are really good.
jaedong is really good at BW (or so it seemed)
goliath > thor
TvT seems somewhat similar to SC2
this battle im watchin right now seems big and spread out, more like a war with small engagements and inexorable pushes than a singular battle
and its kind of hard for me to tell whats going on but i like what i see. first time really watching BW and im pissed at myself for not checking it out sooner.
oh and those pointy motorcycle things (vultures?) are sick.
edit: wat is a marine shop? like an upgrade building?
Go watch the VODs for the last Proleague final and the last OSL final. You won't regret it.
He should probably watch something with an english commentary/analysis to understand the game better first. If you cant find anything sc2fan, Day9 episodes 1-80ish cover BW and he always has good input that newer players can understand.
On May 21 2012 14:44 CursOr wrote: As much as I would like to see Effort play BW, I really think they should assign players to games. It's gotta be to hard to switch back and forth. Maybe Hydra...
That'd be a terrible idea, you're left with half the players being unable to play in the next proleague cause they'll have hardly touched sc2
On May 21 2012 14:44 CursOr wrote: As much as I would like to see Effort play BW, I really think they should assign players to games. It's gotta be to hard to switch back and forth. Maybe Hydra...
That'd be a terrible idea, you're left with half the players being unable to play in the next proleague cause they'll have hardly touched sc2
You can't anyway, all players are forced to alternate.
On May 21 2012 14:21 FiWiFaKi wrote: I'm really curious if the SC2 guys are also watching these matches, and what they think (: So if any of you are out there, I really hope you share your thoughts.
BW-siege tanks are really good.
jaedong is really good at BW (or so it seemed)
goliath > thor
TvT seems somewhat similar to SC2
this battle im watchin right now seems big and spread out, more like a war with small engagements and inexorable pushes than a singular battle
and its kind of hard for me to tell whats going on but i like what i see. first time really watching BW and im pissed at myself for not checking it out sooner.
oh and those pointy motorcycle things (vultures?) are sick.
edit: wat is a marine shop? like an upgrade building?
Go watch the VODs for the last Proleague final and the last OSL final. You won't regret it.
He should probably watch something with an english commentary/analysis to understand the game better first. If you cant find anything sc2fan, Day9 episodes 1-80ish cover BW and he always has good input that newer players can understand.
On May 21 2012 14:44 CursOr wrote: As much as I would like to see Effort play BW, I really think they should assign players to games. It's gotta be to hard to switch back and forth. Maybe Hydra...
That'd be a terrible idea, you're left with half the players being unable to play in the next proleague cause they'll have hardly touched sc2
or it's an amazing idea because it would mean they'd just keep BW in proleague
On May 21 2012 14:44 CursOr wrote: As much as I would like to see Effort play BW, I really think they should assign players to games. It's gotta be to hard to switch back and forth. Maybe Hydra...
That'd be a terrible idea, you're left with half the players being unable to play in the next proleague cause they'll have hardly touched sc2
True. But you know, I am slowly growing into this format, despite thinking it was ridiculous when I first heard about it. I would be fairly happy if they maintained this format for subsequent seasons and divided the players into BW and Sc2 specialists. Maybe have a clause that the bw specialists need to switch to being sc2 specialists mid-season and vice versa.
On May 21 2012 14:21 FiWiFaKi wrote: I'm really curious if the SC2 guys are also watching these matches, and what they think (: So if any of you are out there, I really hope you share your thoughts.
BW-siege tanks are really good.
jaedong is really good at BW (or so it seemed)
goliath > thor
TvT seems somewhat similar to SC2
this battle im watchin right now seems big and spread out, more like a war with small engagements and inexorable pushes than a singular battle
and its kind of hard for me to tell whats going on but i like what i see. first time really watching BW and im pissed at myself for not checking it out sooner.
oh and those pointy motorcycle things (vultures?) are sick.
edit: wat is a marine shop? like an upgrade building?
Go watch the VODs for the last Proleague final and the last OSL final. You won't regret it.
He should probably watch something with an english commentary/analysis to understand the game better first. If you cant find anything sc2fan, Day9 episodes 1-80ish cover BW and he always has good input that newer players can understand.
On May 21 2012 14:44 CursOr wrote: As much as I would like to see Effort play BW, I really think they should assign players to games. It's gotta be to hard to switch back and forth. Maybe Hydra...
That'd be a terrible idea, you're left with half the players being unable to play in the next proleague cause they'll have hardly touched sc2
True. But you know, I am slowly growing into this format, despite thinking it was ridiculous when I first heard about it. I would be fairly happy if they maintained this format for subsequent seasons and divided the players into BW and Sc2 specialists. Maybe have a clause that the bw specialists need to switch to being sc2 specialists mid-season and vice versa.
Yeah this format would be sweet... if they had specialists. The problem right now is we're just not going to get the best if the players have to focus on two games at once. I don't think Sc2 or BW fans want to see that. I think the best thing about this format is that it's really introducing Sc2 fans to Brood War, and vice versa. A whole new generation of Brood War fans may be born from this new format.
On May 21 2012 14:21 FiWiFaKi wrote: I'm really curious if the SC2 guys are also watching these matches, and what they think (: So if any of you are out there, I really hope you share your thoughts.
BW-siege tanks are really good.
jaedong is really good at BW (or so it seemed)
goliath > thor
TvT seems somewhat similar to SC2
this battle im watchin right now seems big and spread out, more like a war with small engagements and inexorable pushes than a singular battle
and its kind of hard for me to tell whats going on but i like what i see. first time really watching BW and im pissed at myself for not checking it out sooner.
oh and those pointy motorcycle things (vultures?) are sick.
edit: wat is a marine shop? like an upgrade building?
Go watch the VODs for the last Proleague final and the last OSL final. You won't regret it.
He should probably watch something with an english commentary/analysis to understand the game better first. If you cant find anything sc2fan, Day9 episodes 1-80ish cover BW and he always has good input that newer players can understand.
On May 21 2012 14:21 FiWiFaKi wrote: I'm really curious if the SC2 guys are also watching these matches, and what they think (: So if any of you are out there, I really hope you share your thoughts.
BW-siege tanks are really good.
jaedong is really good at BW (or so it seemed)
goliath > thor
TvT seems somewhat similar to SC2
this battle im watchin right now seems big and spread out, more like a war with small engagements and inexorable pushes than a singular battle
and its kind of hard for me to tell whats going on but i like what i see. first time really watching BW and im pissed at myself for not checking it out sooner.
oh and those pointy motorcycle things (vultures?) are sick.
edit: wat is a marine shop? like an upgrade building?
Go watch the VODs for the last Proleague final and the last OSL final. You won't regret it.
He should probably watch something with an english commentary/analysis to understand the game better first. If you cant find anything sc2fan, Day9 episodes 1-80ish cover BW and he always has good input that newer players can understand.
On May 21 2012 14:44 CursOr wrote: As much as I would like to see Effort play BW, I really think they should assign players to games. It's gotta be to hard to switch back and forth. Maybe Hydra...
That'd be a terrible idea, you're left with half the players being unable to play in the next proleague cause they'll have hardly touched sc2
True. But you know, I am slowly growing into this format, despite thinking it was ridiculous when I first heard about it. I would be fairly happy if they maintained this format for subsequent seasons and divided the players into BW and Sc2 specialists. Maybe have a clause that the bw specialists need to switch to being sc2 specialists mid-season and vice versa.
Yeah this format would be sweet... if they had specialists. The problem right now is we're just not going to get the best if the players have to focus on two games at once. I don't think Sc2 or BW fans want to see that. I think the best thing about this format is that it's really introducing Sc2 fans to Brood War, and vice versa. A whole new generation of Brood War fans may be born from this new format.
I don't think they have any intention of doing that. Teams more or less know a full switch is coming next season.
On May 21 2012 14:47 Ksquared wrote: BW armies always look so much bigger than their SC2 counterparts.
ironic since sc2 units seems bigger though.. units not clumping up together is the reason why it seems that the army is bigger..
its not only that though, some bw units have lower supply than their sc2 versions/counterparts (e.g. bw tank 2 supply, sc2 tank 3 supply) so a maxed bw army is bigger than a maxed sc2 army
On May 21 2012 14:51 Tufas wrote: Do you think they are going to have that 20 min commercial between BW and SC2 again ? If yes, I could buy some breakfast ...
god i hope not... so much time... though i do hope you can get food
On May 21 2012 14:44 CursOr wrote: As much as I would like to see Effort play BW, I really think they should assign players to games. It's gotta be to hard to switch back and forth. Maybe Hydra...
That'd be a terrible idea, you're left with half the players being unable to play in the next proleague cause they'll have hardly touched sc2
True. But you know, I am slowly growing into this format, despite thinking it was ridiculous when I first heard about it. I would be fairly happy if they maintained this format for subsequent seasons and divided the players into BW and Sc2 specialists. Maybe have a clause that the bw specialists need to switch to being sc2 specialists mid-season and vice versa.
Yeah this format would be sweet... if they had specialists. The problem right now is we're just not going to get the best if the players have to focus on two games at once. I don't think Sc2 or BW fans want to see that. I think the best thing about this format is that it's really introducing Sc2 fans to Brood War, and vice versa. A whole new generation of Brood War fans may be born from this new format.
I don't think they have any intention of doing that. Teams more or less know a full switch is coming next season.
On May 21 2012 14:47 Ksquared wrote: BW armies always look so much bigger than their SC2 counterparts.
ironic since sc2 units seems bigger though.. units not clumping up together is the reason why it seems that the army is bigger..
its not only that though, some bw units have lower supply than their sc2 versions/counterparts (e.g. bw tank 2 supply, sc2 tank 3 supply) so a maxed bw army is bigger than a maxed sc2 army
I believe another factor is that you never get as many workers in Brood War as you do in Sc2 (I believe). So along with the supply's being different there is also more room for army supply.
On May 21 2012 14:47 Ksquared wrote: BW armies always look so much bigger than their SC2 counterparts.
ironic since sc2 units seems bigger though.. units not clumping up together is the reason why it seems that the army is bigger..
its not only that though, some bw units have lower supply than their sc2 versions/counterparts (e.g. bw tank 2 supply, sc2 tank 3 supply) so a maxed bw army is bigger than a maxed sc2 army
I believe another factor is that you never get as many workers in Brood War as you do in Sc2 (I believe). So along with the supply's being different there is also more room for army supply.
the worker thing has a lot to do with it. in sc2 the best worker number is 72 for toss and terran and around 90 for zerg. 72 being the best because a 3 base econ is really all you need and you need 24 workers to get the max number from any base (18 minerals 6 gas)
On May 21 2012 15:02 almond wrote: A D+ player wouldn't have done some of the mistakes baby made that game.
That's an exaggeration
He saw 6-8 lings running past bunker to his base and he doesn't block ramp with scv. Wth was that?
There's a difference between being able to do something and actually carrying it out during a live match. A D+ player would have crumbled under the pressure as well.
On May 21 2012 15:02 OptimusYale wrote: I remember when team 8 was made and people were excited and calling it a dream team....what happened to them :S
Poor living conditions for too long, lack of coaches, lack of practice partners, tiny team, no sponsor, huge amount of stress etc etc.
On May 21 2012 15:02 almond wrote: A D+ player wouldn't have done some of the mistakes baby made that game.
That's an exaggeration
He saw 6-8 lings running past bunker to his base and he doesn't block ramp with scv. Wth was that?
There's a difference between being able to do something and actually carrying it out during a live match. A D+ player would have crumbled under the pressure as well.
You say that as if Baby's a rookie. He's as used to playing on TV as a D+ player is used to playing on ladder.
On May 21 2012 15:08 Clafou wrote: Hey guys, do we have some feedbacks from Korea (the audience) about the new Proleague format? (especially about SC2)
the audience attendance should be give you some sort of an idea.
On May 21 2012 15:08 Clafou wrote: Hey guys, do we have some feedbacks from Korea (the audience) about the new Proleague format? (especially about SC2)
the audience attendance should be give you some sort of an idea.
Pretty sure it would be that way regardless, its such a shitty time.
Honestly, don't take audience into account until they move to the prime time slot probably next week. Yesterday all four games had big audiences and good reactions to both games. Today there is like 20 people there.
I don't know but the SC2 games and SC1 games are dreadful compared to past seasons. I would not be surprised if people weren't too interested. I know I'm not really interested. If I wanted to watch SC2, I'd watch some good players play the game instead of people who have only played it for a few months.
I'm fine with SC2 and SC:BW but this mixed proleague seems to do nothing but deteriorate SC1 gameplay and present some really bad quality SC2 games.
On May 21 2012 15:08 Clafou wrote: Hey guys, do we have some feedbacks from Korea (the audience) about the new Proleague format? (especially about SC2)
the audience attendance should be give you some sort of an idea.
Pretty sure it would be that way regardless, its such a shitty time.
Still, it seemed like there were maybe 20 people in the studio. Just feels a bit too low...
On May 21 2012 15:08 Clafou wrote: Hey guys, do we have some feedbacks from Korea (the audience) about the new Proleague format? (especially about SC2)
the audience attendance should be give you some sort of an idea.
Yeah it's pretty empty... But I'm completely new with Broodwar. I bought the game two weeks ago to play it a bit and try to understand something on this Proleague. So I don't have any "reference" to compare.
you guys are making it sound like mid afternoon BW only matches had huge audiences....
I've watched many a fair few where there has been like 10 people in the studio just because the time was awful. Lets be honest, people in korea who watch this are in school (as am I right now...teaching and watching like a pro) or working or in class at uni. The only people who could possibly be there for an afternoon game are the unemployed and arts students
On May 21 2012 15:13 BLinD-RawR wrote: TvT in SC2 isn't bad to watch at all, mostly because it pretty much resembles BW TvT in some cases.
And that isn't bad? how?
This.
Back in the day when we had a full proleague with 12 teams and amazing players, TvT was seen as a snorefest in general, barring great matches like FlaSh v Firebathero.
Now that we have SC2 ball v ball (trick question: that's all 9 match-ups, except maybe PvP) as a baseline, BW TvT is a blessing.
On May 21 2012 15:21 Le French wrote: Who are these 2 terrans playing?
Playing for Team8 is Sea, formerly of MBC, long-time PL hero and TeamLiquid favourite (used to pop up on the forums with some very shy English, sometimes hangs out with foreign fans).
Playing for CJ is skyhigh, of a Terran lineage that includes Xellos and Iris, most famous for his Winners League all-kill a few years ago, in which, at a point in his career where he was almost unknown, he faced Jaedong and won. Known for his BW TvT.
On May 21 2012 15:36 baubo wrote: Team 8 needs to start sending protosses. At least PvP in SC2 is somewhat coin-flippy. And PvAnything else in SC2 seems auto-win at the moment.
ZvZ hella lot more coin-flippy than pvp,but you never know with these guys since they just started playing. It's not really possible to get a Bo loss in a pvp anymore.Unless you do something dumb.
On May 21 2012 15:36 baubo wrote: Team 8 needs to start sending protosses. At least PvP in SC2 is somewhat coin-flippy. And PvAnything else in SC2 seems auto-win at the moment.
Well, they obviously need more time but PvX is not auto-win in SC2 at all
On May 21 2012 15:36 baubo wrote: Team 8 needs to start sending protosses. At least PvP in SC2 is somewhat coin-flippy. And PvAnything else in SC2 seems auto-win at the moment.
Well, they obviously need more time but PvX is not auto-win in SC2 at all
On May 21 2012 15:36 baubo wrote: Team 8 needs to start sending protosses. At least PvP in SC2 is somewhat coin-flippy. And PvAnything else in SC2 seems auto-win at the moment.
ZvZ hella lot more coin-flippy than pvp,but you never know with these guys since they just started playing. It's not really possible to get a Bo loss in a pvp anymore.Unless you do something dumb.
Yeah, but the difference is that there's no zerg imba right now.
I'm not really up to speed on the whole metagame of SC2, but I've always felt that just the nature of the matchup is volatile simply due to mismicros costing games. Not just the BO aspect.
On May 21 2012 15:36 baubo wrote: Team 8 needs to start sending protosses. At least PvP in SC2 is somewhat coin-flippy. And PvAnything else in SC2 seems auto-win at the moment.
ZvZ hella lot more coin-flippy than pvp,but you never know with these guys since they just started playing. It's not really possible to get a Bo loss in a pvp anymore.Unless you do something dumb.
Yeah, but the difference is that there's no zerg imba right now.
I'm not really up to speed on the whole metagame of SC2, but I've always felt that just the nature of the matchup is volatile simply due to mismicros costing games. Not just the BO aspect.
Yea that is true,but back before the changes to warpgate and sentry build time you could get a Bo loss real easy and pvp was a mess.That's why I think that pvp is in a lot more stable place now than it was.You can still loose really easy if you don't micro well that is true.
On May 21 2012 15:36 baubo wrote: Team 8 needs to start sending protosses. At least PvP in SC2 is somewhat coin-flippy. And PvAnything else in SC2 seems auto-win at the moment.
Well, they obviously need more time but PvX is not auto-win in SC2 at all
On May 21 2012 15:36 baubo wrote: Team 8 needs to start sending protosses. At least PvP in SC2 is somewhat coin-flippy. And PvAnything else in SC2 seems auto-win at the moment.
Well, they obviously need more time but PvX is not auto-win in SC2 at all
The toss players have been (for the most part) the only players that look kinda competent in SC2 so far, I suppose it's easier to transition from BW -> SC2 than the other races. The premise is there, within this really strange meta of playing both games, Protoss seems to be the best SC2 race, pending more development time.
On May 21 2012 15:36 baubo wrote: Team 8 needs to start sending protosses. At least PvP in SC2 is somewhat coin-flippy. And PvAnything else in SC2 seems auto-win at the moment.
Well, they obviously need more time but PvX is not auto-win in SC2 at all
On May 21 2012 15:36 baubo wrote: Team 8 needs to start sending protosses. At least PvP in SC2 is somewhat coin-flippy. And PvAnything else in SC2 seems auto-win at the moment.
Well, they obviously need more time but PvX is not auto-win in SC2 at all
On May 21 2012 15:36 baubo wrote: Team 8 needs to start sending protosses. At least PvP in SC2 is somewhat coin-flippy. And PvAnything else in SC2 seems auto-win at the moment.
Well, they obviously need more time but PvX is not auto-win in SC2 at all
Reposted from the SC2 thread: Did T8 really practice anything at all -_-? Jaehoon's face was like: "Ooo, what does this button do?"
Also, if anyone know Coach Han's history could give me a rundown it would be appreciated. I swear he didn't do anything significant in Oz and now in T8.
Also Dear God T8, at least learn how to do a basic 4-gate even if you fail every other shit. Even Diamond players can do better than this.
On May 21 2012 15:36 baubo wrote: Team 8 needs to start sending protosses. At least PvP in SC2 is somewhat coin-flippy. And PvAnything else in SC2 seems auto-win at the moment.
Well, they obviously need more time but PvX is not auto-win in SC2 at all
That said, didn't the current GSL feature 3 protoss semi-finalists? So at the very top of the Korean scene tosses still seem quite OP.
I don't think the race is OP. There is a large debate about PvT mid/late-game (the Protoss deathball is quite powerful against bio) but that's not enough to make the race OP imo.
sc2 seems to always take a long time to set up and start the game, and there have been more pauses mid game in the last 2 days than the last 2 years combined of bw
On May 21 2012 15:36 baubo wrote: Team 8 needs to start sending protosses. At least PvP in SC2 is somewhat coin-flippy. And PvAnything else in SC2 seems auto-win at the moment.
Well, they obviously need more time but PvX is not auto-win in SC2 at all
The toss players have been (for the most part) the only players that look kinda competent in SC2 so far, I suppose it's easier to transition from BW -> SC2 than the other races. The premise is there, within this really strange meta of playing both games, Protoss seems to be the best SC2 race, pending more development time.
It's really about the style the BW players have been following. They seem to be going for imitations of the more macro-oriented styles used in top SC2 at the moment without fully understanding them, and that favours Protoss players because it's all about macroing and teching up.
On May 21 2012 15:53 slappy wrote: sc2 seems to always take a long time to set up and start the game, and there have been more pauses mid game in the last 2 days than the last 2 years combined of bw
1. Kespa techs aren't use to the new game 2. BNet 2.0
On May 21 2012 15:36 baubo wrote: Team 8 needs to start sending protosses. At least PvP in SC2 is somewhat coin-flippy. And PvAnything else in SC2 seems auto-win at the moment.
Well, they obviously need more time but PvX is not auto-win in SC2 at all
That said, didn't the current GSL feature 3 protoss semi-finalists? So at the very top of the Korean scene tosses still seem quite OP.
I don't think the race is OP. There is a large debate about PvT mid/late-game (the Protoss deathball is quite powerful against bio) but that's not enough to make the race OP imo.
Protoss have also not been winning a ton of tournaments. They've had a couple good seasons, but last season DRG, a zerg, won. And this season MVP, a terran won. This weekend's MLG invitational also saw 3 zergs in the top 3.
On May 21 2012 15:53 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Do you normally get 4 Warp Gates when going for Blink Stalkers? I didn't think you could support that many off one base.
Have I been doing it wrong all this time?
Yeah, modern blink build you get 3 gates and a robo to have an observer to be able to not be blocked by forcefields like it happened here.
On May 21 2012 15:53 Fanatic-Templar wrote: Do you normally get 4 Warp Gates when going for Blink Stalkers? I didn't think you could support that many off one base.
Have I been doing it wrong all this time?
yeah if you are going blink you need 4 gates or else you start baking a lot of gas/min
On May 21 2012 15:36 baubo wrote: Team 8 needs to start sending protosses. At least PvP in SC2 is somewhat coin-flippy. And PvAnything else in SC2 seems auto-win at the moment.
Well, they obviously need more time but PvX is not auto-win in SC2 at all
That said, didn't the current GSL feature 3 protoss semi-finalists? So at the very top of the Korean scene tosses still seem quite OP.
I don't think the race is OP. There is a large debate about PvT mid/late-game (the Protoss deathball is quite powerful against bio) but that's not enough to make the race OP imo.
It looks like a keyboard problem as they were fucking around with a USB cable...if anyone can translate the korean and give us a reason would be nice...all I can get is very limited things....maybe a sound problem
On May 21 2012 15:53 slappy wrote: sc2 seems to always take a long time to set up and start the game, and there have been more pauses mid game in the last 2 days than the last 2 years combined of bw
They probably need some time to switch out of BW and all its plugins and into SC2.
Plus, you can tweak so many settings in SC2, like hotkeys, interface, and graphics. And everyone seems to have different settings, so there is almost always a long setup time in between players at any SC2 tournament.
And forcing all players into playing on a uniform, "standard" set of settings seems really unfair even if it would lower the setup time.
On May 21 2012 16:01 SarcasmMonster wrote: That female commentator is cute. Not as cute as GSL lady though.
doesnt the GSL lady just do interviews?
I think you are thinking of GSL translator lady. She's cute, but the GSL commentator lady is a total stunner. She was a former female progamer if I recall. Such a shame she left on maternity. I miss the random camera shots of her
On May 21 2012 16:01 SarcasmMonster wrote: That female commentator is cute. Not as cute as GSL lady though.
doesnt the GSL lady just do interviews?
I think you are thinking of GSL translator lady. She's cute, but the GSL commentator lady is a total stunner. She was a former female progamer if I recall. Such a shame she left on maternity. I miss the random camera shots of her
On May 21 2012 16:01 SarcasmMonster wrote: That female commentator is cute. Not as cute as GSL lady though.
doesnt the GSL lady just do interviews?
I think you are thinking of GSL translator lady. She's cute, but the GSL commentator lady is a total stunner. She was a former female progamer if I recall. Such a shame she left on maternity. I miss the random camera shots of her
On May 21 2012 15:59 Trizz wrote: horang2 was far far ahead, but I wish for a regame because I want to see t8 get some wins.
R u sure he Horang2 could have held that second-attack wave`? Immortals kick ass +.+
yup. easily. jaehoon was on 3 gates and still in his base, meanwhile horang2 was on 6 and expansion. all he needs is 2 warp in rounds and he steamrolls jaehoon.
I think it's stupid to have an LR that doesn't show all results... The OP links for SC2 results to the LR thread in the SC2 section... is this really necessary?
Is SPL on every Mon and Tue at this time? That sucks hard since I won't be home in time to watch the BW section :/
On May 21 2012 16:22 schaf wrote: I think it's stupid to have an LR that doesn't show all results... The OP links for SC2 results to the LR thread in the SC2 section... is this really necessary?
Yeah, I feel it's kind of lazy. Should post full results, instead of sending me to another thread and making me open two more spoilers :/ I would have just went to the SC2 LR report if I knew.
Didn't even knew they were going to play today TT it's not that bad thou, since with this time schedule I couldn't see it anyways.
Did season 1 have better audiences than before with this time slot? Or wasn't a starcraft thing and it was more a "it's time for another game to be on prime time" thing?
I also hate this format, I also hate seeing SCtoo in PL, but You should include SCtoo matches also, because our beloved progamers and teams are playing. I don't like at all going to two threads just to see how it turned and who won. Please, next time include SCtoo games as well. Thank You!
According to Coach Han, Jaehoon's keyboard malfunctioned and he kept waving his hands in the booth for the Kespa referee to pause play but they took more than 10 seconds to respond to him and pause the game. That's why Coach Han was so pissed off with them and wanted a regame.
On May 21 2012 16:20 Shock710 wrote: wtf was that? If anyone knows plz tell, how does storm fare against collosus?
Storm is awful in SC2 PvP
sad T_T face, no more storm drops? i love storm drops best way to get back into a game
storm drops on the mineral line are good. Just havent been experimented with much
Not particularly. It takes twice as many storms to do the same sort of damage and chances are the workers aren't going to stick around for the second set of storms.
On May 21 2012 16:20 Shock710 wrote: wtf was that? If anyone knows plz tell, how does storm fare against collosus?
Storm is awful in SC2 PvP
sad T_T face, no more storm drops? i love storm drops best way to get back into a game
storm drops on the mineral line are good. Just havent been experimented with much
Not particularly. It takes twice as many storms to do the same sort of damage and chances are the workers aren't going to stick around for the second set of storms.
It does 80 damage, so a storm will kill the workers if they do not move away I think. Hwever most players will move their harvesters in time. I think stromdrop harrasment will also not be used, solely because of the fact that sentry harrasment (forcfield the mineral line in then warp in zealots) is more efficient.
On May 21 2012 16:20 Shock710 wrote: wtf was that? If anyone knows plz tell, how does storm fare against collosus?
Storm is awful in SC2 PvP
sad T_T face, no more storm drops? i love storm drops best way to get back into a game
storm drops on the mineral line are good. Just havent been experimented with much
Not particularly. It takes twice as many storms to do the same sort of damage and chances are the workers aren't going to stick around for the second set of storms.
It does 80 damage, so a storm will kill the workers if they do not move away I think. Hwever most players will move their harvesters in time. I think stromdrop harrasment will also not be used, solely because of the fact that sentry harrasment (forcfield the mineral line in then warp in zealots) is more efficient.
The truth is, with Sc2's AI, its really easy to avoid storm drops, the workers dont stack in eachanother and you dont have to click on a gas / mineral to make them run away without a problem. Also the size of storm is smaller. Like Blizzard wanted to destroy every old school protoss harass from BW to Sc2 >.<
On May 21 2012 16:20 Shock710 wrote: wtf was that? If anyone knows plz tell, how does storm fare against collosus?
Storm is awful in SC2 PvP
sad T_T face, no more storm drops? i love storm drops best way to get back into a game
storm drops on the mineral line are good. Just havent been experimented with much
Not particularly. It takes twice as many storms to do the same sort of damage and chances are the workers aren't going to stick around for the second set of storms.
It does 80 damage, so a storm will kill the workers if they do not move away I think. Hwever most players will move their harvesters in time. I think stromdrop harrasment will also not be used, solely because of the fact that sentry harrasment (forcfield the mineral line in then warp in zealots) is more efficient.
The truth is, with Sc2's AI, its really easy to avoid storm drops, the workers dont stack in eachanother and you dont have to click on a gas / mineral to make them run away without a problem. Also the size of storm is smaller. Like Blizzard wanted to destroy every old school protoss harass from BW to Sc2 >.<
you could always have two sentries with energy along with two templars.. ez pz to trap workers with a couple of FF
On May 21 2012 16:20 Shock710 wrote: wtf was that? If anyone knows plz tell, how does storm fare against collosus?
Storm is awful in SC2 PvP
sad T_T face, no more storm drops? i love storm drops best way to get back into a game
There were actually some very famous games by Whitera and mostly by SKMC where they used storm drops and even more awesomely HTs in Warpprisms (Shuttle 2.0) to dodge EMPs etc. It is very good and effective but hard as hell to pull off (personaly, as Protoss player back in BW i would compare it with Reaver micro, in certain situations even harder because of better oponent ai and less life on HTs) This style if very rare as is now but i think it will get more and more as protoss gets better.
Jaedong is valiantly holding the front line and I respect him and I hope all bw pro gamers who are facing difficulty right now will show undying and undefeated courage at dark times like this.
On May 21 2012 16:20 Shock710 wrote: wtf was that? If anyone knows plz tell, how does storm fare against collosus?
Storm is awful in SC2 PvP
sad T_T face, no more storm drops? i love storm drops best way to get back into a game
There were actually some very famous games by Whitera and mostly by SKMC where they used storm drops and even more awesomely HTs in Warpprisms (Shuttle 2.0) to dodge EMPs etc. It is very good and effective but hard as hell to pull off (personaly, as Protoss player back in BW i would compare it with Reaver micro, in certain situations even harder because of better oponent ai and less life on HTs) This style if very rare as is now but i think it will get more and more as protoss gets better.
You can but SCII Protoss kinda doesn't harass much since they try to amass a giant death army like BW Terran. Its more that than storm drops being crap. As for reaver type drops, zergs can load up banelings inside overlords and execute what's sometimes called 'Bane Rain' either carpet bombing workers or the clumped up Protoss deathball.
On May 21 2012 16:20 Shock710 wrote: wtf was that? If anyone knows plz tell, how does storm fare against collosus?
Storm is awful in SC2 PvP
sad T_T face, no more storm drops? i love storm drops best way to get back into a game
There were actually some very famous games by Whitera and mostly by SKMC where they used storm drops and even more awesomely HTs in Warpprisms (Shuttle 2.0) to dodge EMPs etc. It is very good and effective but hard as hell to pull off (personaly, as Protoss player back in BW i would compare it with Reaver micro, in certain situations even harder because of better oponent ai and less life on HTs) This style if very rare as is now but i think it will get more and more as protoss gets better.
You can but SCII Protoss kinda doesn't harass much since they try to amass a giant death army like BW Terran. Its more that than storm drops being crap. As for reaver type drops, zergs can load up banelings inside overlords and execute what's sometimes called 'Bane Rain' either carpet bombing workers or the clumped up Protoss deathball.
You are right, however carpet bombing, although still being hard to pull off, is not nearly as dificoult as Reaver micro. Its still a very nice and underused "mechanic" in the game, which, when pulled of properly, is disgustingly effective!
On May 22 2012 00:05 Defiler1a2a3a4567 wrote: Did anyone catch what Jaedong said about SC2 when he was doing his winners interview? I am very curious as the what was said. Thanks.
They asked him how well does his team do on Sc2 and he replied that they are probably in the average. Then they asked him his opinion on his Sc2 game he lost the day before, he replied that he still need practice and that he doesnt really care about that lost because it doesnt mean much.
So much for the idea that the terrible PL teams from last season would be more ready for SC2. It doesn't look like they got more SC2 practice than last season's playoff teams.
On May 22 2012 00:05 Defiler1a2a3a4567 wrote: Did anyone catch what Jaedong said about SC2 when he was doing his winners interview? I am very curious as the what was said. Thanks.
They asked him how well does his team do on Sc2 and he replied that they are probably in the average. Then they asked him his opinion on his Sc2 game he lost the day before, he replied that he still need practice and that he doesnt really care about that lost because it doesnt mean much.
Ah, will the winners interview be translated by anyone?
On May 21 2012 16:01 SarcasmMonster wrote: That female commentator is cute. Not as cute as GSL lady though.
doesnt the GSL lady just do interviews?
I think you are thinking of GSL translator lady. She's cute, but the GSL commentator lady is a total stunner. She was a former female progamer if I recall. Such a shame she left on maternity. I miss the random camera shots of her
You're talking about Lee Hun Joo, who has got her own fanclub here on TL. She last appeared at the GSL finals at Blizzcon 2011 in Anaheim CA and currently is on a pregnancy/baby break.
The other female person you're thinking of is in charge of post-/mid-game interviews at GSL/GSTL and I heard she's the significant other of GSL Code S caster Colossus.
Im really surprised and impressed with the SC2 guys in these recent threads who are open to trying to understand BW and even open minded enough to see where BW does a few things "better" than SC2 does currently. It gives me a whole new respect for these new fans and really its nice to see people being mature and thoughtful.
For any of you new to BW, i highly suggest checking out Best vs Skyhigh game 3 on Destination from Gomtv's Averatec-Intel Classic 2008 Season2. Its cast by Tasteless in english etc etc. This is a lesser talked about gem of a game in my opinion and if you like brutal TvPs with nonstop destruction and nonstop reinforcing you might dig this game.
On May 22 2012 00:05 Defiler1a2a3a4567 wrote: Did anyone catch what Jaedong said about SC2 when he was doing his winners interview? I am very curious as the what was said. Thanks.
They asked him how well does his team do on Sc2 and he replied that they are probably in the average. Then they asked him his opinion on his Sc2 game he lost the day before, he replied that he still need practice and that he doesnt really care about that lost because it doesnt mean much.
Ah thanks I really want to see the interviews but nobody is posting them sadly .
On May 22 2012 00:05 Defiler1a2a3a4567 wrote: Did anyone catch what Jaedong said about SC2 when he was doing his winners interview? I am very curious as the what was said. Thanks.
They asked him how well does his team do on Sc2 and he replied that they are probably in the average. Then they asked him his opinion on his Sc2 game he lost the day before, he replied that he still need practice and that he doesnt really care about that lost because it doesnt mean much.
Ah thanks I really want to see the interviews but nobody is posting them sadly .
If you mean JD's interview after he won then I already posted it in thread.
On May 21 2012 14:21 Harem wrote: 01:17 @Kimoleon • q - congrats jaedongu 01:17 @Kimoleon • q - you must've been a little dissapointed in yesterday's game 01:18 @Kimoleon • jd - we prepared a lot, but I'm not worrying much about it 01:18 @Kimoleon • q - did you think your opponent would play some kind of allinish play 01:18 @Kimoleon • jd - herojoin has an agressive style, so I prepared for that 01:18 @Kimoleon • q - yesterday you lost all your sc2 games, how is team8's sc2 skills 01:19 @Kimoleon • jd - I think we're around the middle, but broadcast games are just one game, momentary decisions are important I think 01:19 @Kimoleon • q - you gotta bring back your pace this season, what do you think 01:20 @Kimoleon • jd - we prepared hard, and still doing it, doing two games is tough, I'll do my best to show my past form 01:20 @Kimoleon • q - you showed a struggling game vs toss, in sc2 how is zerg treating you? 01:21 @Kimoleon • jd - I don't think I'm not good yet, i do feel lacking in my play, it's not that I feel stress from the limitations of zerg 01:21 @Kimoleon • q - hope you have better matches in the future~ jd - ty
Actual team winner's interviews from DES haven't been translated yet though.
Somewhat new to pl here (i watched 3 seasons very casually prior to the hybrid season as I only played bw for a year, mostly sc2 player). Never rooted for a team in those seasons but I've decided to become a cj fan! Question for longtime cj fans: who is cj's ace/best player and who are the players that come after him? aka rank cj's players from top to bottom.
On May 23 2012 15:40 rysecake wrote: Somewhat new to pl here (i watched 3 seasons very casually prior to the hybrid season as I only played bw for a year, mostly sc2 player). Never rooted for a team in those seasons but I've decided to become a cj fan! Question for longtime cj fans: who is cj's ace/best player and who are the players that come after him? aka rank cj's players from top to bottom.
Effort(all around) - main ace, retired after winning OSL beating flash from a 0-2 deficit, recently came back Hydra(all around) - ace when effort retired, pretty pretty solid game Leta(TvT/TvZ) - known for micro intensive strategies, used to play with 2port wraith in tvz, has a hard time beating jaedong, team capt, cross dresser, miracle boy(for impossible comebacks), one of the best TvTers, brought ^_^ to cj's -_- (cj is known to have poker faces until the merge of OGN/hite Sparkyz to CJ entus) Horang(PvP) - tigertoss, insane macro monster, very very good PvP and known for his impeccable building placements ^ main players in order of skill (my own opinion)
Snow(PvT)/SkyHigh(TvT)/BByong - role players, snow is a PvT sniper but horrendous PvZ (not sure), SkyHigh is known for his TvT, he defeated Jaedong-led Hwaseung Oz during a winner's league final from 0-3 and brought the team back single handedly to win 4-3, BByong up and coming terran
other players are idk, practice partners/rookies/vets
there was also another main Protoss player but Movie moved to T8
On May 23 2012 15:40 rysecake wrote: Somewhat new to pl here (i watched 3 seasons very casually prior to the hybrid season as I only played bw for a year, mostly sc2 player). Never rooted for a team in those seasons but I've decided to become a cj fan! Question for longtime cj fans: who is cj's ace/best player and who are the players that come after him? aka rank cj's players from top to bottom.
Effort(all around) - main ace, retired after winning OSL beating flash from a 0-2 deficit, recently came back Hydra(all around) - ace when effort retired, pretty pretty solid game Leta(TvT/TvZ) - known for micro intensive strategies, used to play with 2port wraith in tvz, has a hard time beating jaedong, team capt, cross dresser, miracle boy(for impossible comebacks), one of the best TvTers, brought ^_^ to cj's -_- (cj is known to have poker faces until the merge of OGN/hite Sparkyz to CJ entus) Horang(PvP) - tigertoss, insane macro monster, very very good PvP and known for his impeccable building placements ^ main players in order of skill (my own opinion)
Snow(PvT)/SkyHigh(TvT)/BByong - role players, snow is a PvT sniper but horrendous PvZ (not sure), SkyHigh is known for his TvT, he defeated Jaedong-led Hwaseung Oz during a winner's league final from 0-3 and brought the team back single handedly to win 4-3, BByong up and coming terran
other players are idk, practice partners/rookies/vets
there was also another main Protoss player but Movie moved to T8
edit: added more content
To add a little to this:
Hydra isn't in good form right now, currently he's looking like at best CJ's 4th player (behind horangi/effort/leta)
CJ has a large stable of B-teamers that are competent and capable of bringing upsets (see: Rush in this current OSL) They won't see much playtime though since CJ is a very very deep team.
Also Snow's PvZ is NOT horrendous--he played a famous Bo5 in the MSL vs Jaedong where he pushed the dong to his limits--all epic games, I highly recommend them. Snow is a very mercurial player, some games he'll absolutely smash, others he looks pretty mediocre. Has (possibly) the best reaver control in the business, in all 3 matchups.
On May 23 2012 15:40 rysecake wrote: Somewhat new to pl here (i watched 3 seasons very casually prior to the hybrid season as I only played bw for a year, mostly sc2 player). Never rooted for a team in those seasons but I've decided to become a cj fan! Question for longtime cj fans: who is cj's ace/best player and who are the players that come after him? aka rank cj's players from top to bottom.
Effort(all around) - main ace, retired after winning OSL beating flash from a 0-2 deficit, recently came back Hydra(all around) - ace when effort retired, pretty pretty solid game Leta(TvT/TvZ) - known for micro intensive strategies, used to play with 2port wraith in tvz, has a hard time beating jaedong, team capt, cross dresser, miracle boy(for impossible comebacks), one of the best TvTers, brought ^_^ to cj's -_- (cj is known to have poker faces until the merge of OGN/hite Sparkyz to CJ entus) Horang(PvP) - tigertoss, insane macro monster, very very good PvP and known for his impeccable building placements ^ main players in order of skill (my own opinion)
Snow(PvT)/SkyHigh(TvT)/BByong - role players, snow is a PvT sniper but horrendous PvZ (not sure), SkyHigh is known for his TvT, he defeated Jaedong-led Hwaseung Oz during a winner's league final from 0-3 and brought the team back single handedly to win 4-3, BByong up and coming terran
other players are idk, practice partners/rookies/vets
there was also another main Protoss player but Movie moved to T8
edit: added more content
To add a little to this:
Hydra isn't in good form right now, currently he's looking like at best CJ's 4th player (behind horangi/effort/leta)
CJ has a large stable of B-teamers that are competent and capable of bringing upsets (see: Rush in this current OSL) They won't see much playtime though since CJ is a very very deep team.
Also Snow's PvZ is NOT horrendous--he played a famous Bo5 in the MSL vs Jaedong where he pushed the dong to his limits--all epic games, I highly recommend them. Snow is a very mercurial player, some games he'll absolutely smash, others he looks pretty mediocre. Has (possibly) the best reaver control in the business, in all 3 matchups.
i honestly have no idea about snow aside from his PvT
I feel if we went back in time a year or so, those would be pretty accurate, but Snow has come a long way from a pvt sniper, and horang from a cheesy pvp sniper, he was really strong all round last season
On May 23 2012 15:40 rysecake wrote: Somewhat new to pl here (i watched 3 seasons very casually prior to the hybrid season as I only played bw for a year, mostly sc2 player). Never rooted for a team in those seasons but I've decided to become a cj fan! Question for longtime cj fans: who is cj's ace/best player and who are the players that come after him? aka rank cj's players from top to bottom.
Effort(all around) - main ace, retired after winning OSL beating flash from a 0-2 deficit, recently came back Hydra(all around) - ace when effort retired, pretty pretty solid game Leta(TvT/TvZ) - known for micro intensive strategies, used to play with 2port wraith in tvz, has a hard time beating jaedong, team capt, cross dresser, miracle boy(for impossible comebacks), one of the best TvTers, brought ^_^ to cj's -_- (cj is known to have poker faces until the merge of OGN/hite Sparkyz to CJ entus) Horang(PvP) - tigertoss, insane macro monster, very very good PvP and known for his impeccable building placements ^ main players in order of skill (my own opinion)
Snow(PvT)/SkyHigh(TvT)/BByong - role players, snow is a PvT sniper but horrendous PvZ (not sure), SkyHigh is known for his TvT, he defeated Jaedong-led Hwaseung Oz during a winner's league final from 0-3 and brought the team back single handedly to win 4-3, BByong up and coming terran
other players are idk, practice partners/rookies/vets
there was also another main Protoss player but Movie moved to T8
edit: added more content
To add a little to this:
Hydra isn't in good form right now, currently he's looking like at best CJ's 4th player (behind horangi/effort/leta)
CJ has a large stable of B-teamers that are competent and capable of bringing upsets (see: Rush in this current OSL) They won't see much playtime though since CJ is a very very deep team.
Also Snow's PvZ is NOT horrendous--he played a famous Bo5 in the MSL vs Jaedong where he pushed the dong to his limits--all epic games, I highly recommend them. Snow is a very mercurial player, some games he'll absolutely smash, others he looks pretty mediocre. Has (possibly) the best reaver control in the business, in all 3 matchups.
i honestly have no idea about snow aside from his PvT
well remember that series against jaedong in the PDPoP MSL?
On May 23 2012 15:40 rysecake wrote: Somewhat new to pl here (i watched 3 seasons very casually prior to the hybrid season as I only played bw for a year, mostly sc2 player). Never rooted for a team in those seasons but I've decided to become a cj fan! Question for longtime cj fans: who is cj's ace/best player and who are the players that come after him? aka rank cj's players from top to bottom.
Effort(all around) - main ace, retired after winning OSL beating flash from a 0-2 deficit, recently came back Hydra(all around) - ace when effort retired, pretty pretty solid game Leta(TvT/TvZ) - known for micro intensive strategies, used to play with 2port wraith in tvz, has a hard time beating jaedong, team capt, cross dresser, miracle boy(for impossible comebacks), one of the best TvTers, brought ^_^ to cj's -_- (cj is known to have poker faces until the merge of OGN/hite Sparkyz to CJ entus) Horang(PvP) - tigertoss, insane macro monster, very very good PvP and known for his impeccable building placements ^ main players in order of skill (my own opinion)
Snow(PvT)/SkyHigh(TvT)/BByong - role players, snow is a PvT sniper but horrendous PvZ (not sure), SkyHigh is known for his TvT, he defeated Jaedong-led Hwaseung Oz during a winner's league final from 0-3 and brought the team back single handedly to win 4-3, BByong up and coming terran
other players are idk, practice partners/rookies/vets
there was also another main Protoss player but Movie moved to T8
edit: added more content
To add a little to this:
Hydra isn't in good form right now, currently he's looking like at best CJ's 4th player (behind horangi/effort/leta)
CJ has a large stable of B-teamers that are competent and capable of bringing upsets (see: Rush in this current OSL) They won't see much playtime though since CJ is a very very deep team.
Also Snow's PvZ is NOT horrendous--he played a famous Bo5 in the MSL vs Jaedong where he pushed the dong to his limits--all epic games, I highly recommend them. Snow is a very mercurial player, some games he'll absolutely smash, others he looks pretty mediocre. Has (possibly) the best reaver control in the business, in all 3 matchups.
i honestly have no idea about snow aside from his PvT
well remember that series against jaedong in the PDPoP MSL?
he played damn good in that series.
was one of the games in Destination where snow went 4gate goon?
On May 23 2012 15:40 rysecake wrote: Somewhat new to pl here (i watched 3 seasons very casually prior to the hybrid season as I only played bw for a year, mostly sc2 player). Never rooted for a team in those seasons but I've decided to become a cj fan! Question for longtime cj fans: who is cj's ace/best player and who are the players that come after him? aka rank cj's players from top to bottom.
Effort(all around) - main ace, retired after winning OSL beating flash from a 0-2 deficit, recently came back Hydra(all around) - ace when effort retired, pretty pretty solid game Leta(TvT/TvZ) - known for micro intensive strategies, used to play with 2port wraith in tvz, has a hard time beating jaedong, team capt, cross dresser, miracle boy(for impossible comebacks), one of the best TvTers, brought ^_^ to cj's -_- (cj is known to have poker faces until the merge of OGN/hite Sparkyz to CJ entus) Horang(PvP) - tigertoss, insane macro monster, very very good PvP and known for his impeccable building placements ^ main players in order of skill (my own opinion)
Snow(PvT)/SkyHigh(TvT)/BByong - role players, snow is a PvT sniper but horrendous PvZ (not sure), SkyHigh is known for his TvT, he defeated Jaedong-led Hwaseung Oz during a winner's league final from 0-3 and brought the team back single handedly to win 4-3, BByong up and coming terran
other players are idk, practice partners/rookies/vets
there was also another main Protoss player but Movie moved to T8
edit: added more content
To add a little to this:
Hydra isn't in good form right now, currently he's looking like at best CJ's 4th player (behind horangi/effort/leta)
CJ has a large stable of B-teamers that are competent and capable of bringing upsets (see: Rush in this current OSL) They won't see much playtime though since CJ is a very very deep team.
Also Snow's PvZ is NOT horrendous--he played a famous Bo5 in the MSL vs Jaedong where he pushed the dong to his limits--all epic games, I highly recommend them. Snow is a very mercurial player, some games he'll absolutely smash, others he looks pretty mediocre. Has (possibly) the best reaver control in the business, in all 3 matchups.
i honestly have no idea about snow aside from his PvT
well remember that series against jaedong in the PDPoP MSL?
he played damn good in that series.
was one of the games in Destination where snow went 4gate goon?
On May 23 2012 15:40 rysecake wrote: Somewhat new to pl here (i watched 3 seasons very casually prior to the hybrid season as I only played bw for a year, mostly sc2 player). Never rooted for a team in those seasons but I've decided to become a cj fan! Question for longtime cj fans: who is cj's ace/best player and who are the players that come after him? aka rank cj's players from top to bottom.
Effort(all around) - main ace, retired after winning OSL beating flash from a 0-2 deficit, recently came back Hydra(all around) - ace when effort retired, pretty pretty solid game Leta(TvT/TvZ) - known for micro intensive strategies, used to play with 2port wraith in tvz, has a hard time beating jaedong, team capt, cross dresser, miracle boy(for impossible comebacks), one of the best TvTers, brought ^_^ to cj's -_- (cj is known to have poker faces until the merge of OGN/hite Sparkyz to CJ entus) Horang(PvP) - tigertoss, insane macro monster, very very good PvP and known for his impeccable building placements ^ main players in order of skill (my own opinion)
Snow(PvT)/SkyHigh(TvT)/BByong - role players, snow is a PvT sniper but horrendous PvZ (not sure), SkyHigh is known for his TvT, he defeated Jaedong-led Hwaseung Oz during a winner's league final from 0-3 and brought the team back single handedly to win 4-3, BByong up and coming terran
other players are idk, practice partners/rookies/vets
there was also another main Protoss player but Movie moved to T8
edit: added more content
To add a little to this:
Hydra isn't in good form right now, currently he's looking like at best CJ's 4th player (behind horangi/effort/leta)
CJ has a large stable of B-teamers that are competent and capable of bringing upsets (see: Rush in this current OSL) They won't see much playtime though since CJ is a very very deep team.
Also Snow's PvZ is NOT horrendous--he played a famous Bo5 in the MSL vs Jaedong where he pushed the dong to his limits--all epic games, I highly recommend them. Snow is a very mercurial player, some games he'll absolutely smash, others he looks pretty mediocre. Has (possibly) the best reaver control in the business, in all 3 matchups.
i honestly have no idea about snow aside from his PvT
well remember that series against jaedong in the PDPoP MSL?
he played damn good in that series.
was one of the games in Destination where snow went 4gate goon?
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