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On April 09 2012 13:50 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 13:27 Mindcrime wrote:On April 09 2012 12:43 Lightwip wrote:
I'm glad that if this is the end, at least Brood War has a happy ending. The hero Bisu takes down the villain Flash to acchieve true victory. Trying to ignore the OSL eh?  I already accepted terran scum victory in that as a foregone conclusion. See my thread on the topic. But PL finals is more important. A Bisu > Flash to end BW is a victory for justice.
A victory of map selection.
Anyway, does anyone have an image/gif of Sun's celebration on stage after beating stats? He did this little leap that was ridiculously cute but the vod missed it
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Map selection? Are you really going to say that was the reason Flash lost?
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Russian Federation3339 Posts
On April 09 2012 11:28 thanhbao86 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 11:25 Skwid1g wrote:On April 09 2012 11:22 thanhbao86 wrote:On April 09 2012 11:07 Dakkas wrote:On April 09 2012 11:00 Release wrote:On April 09 2012 10:55 Xiphos wrote:On April 09 2012 10:43 catabowl wrote:
You know, when players ATTACK Flash early and cause him to get "thrown" off his timing... he has lost.
I still remember the Epic Ever OSL when Movie had an advantage in every game but instead of pressing... he teched up to Arbiters giving Flash freedom to clear his head and mount his army.
I'm not saying this is the way to beat Flash... but to throw his timing off and his mind off a bit every once and awhile is not a bad idea.
Remember, Bisu did this in the Winners League Final too (early aggression with zlots) and he beat Flash that time as well. Just saying! You can't give him time to recuperate. When you keep him busy, that's his mechanical side you are dealing with. But when the aggression cease, you are confronting with him on a strategical level. In terms of tactical decisions, Flash might be very well the best of the all of Bisu, Jaedong, Stork, and Fantasy. However, in the micromanagement category, he falls behind by a very slight margin. As long as you are able to keep him on the toes and take him in a straight up struggle while continuing to dent on his armor, eventually it will get punctured. No one can create a siege line as good as he can. No one can use MnM against mutas as well as he can. No one can use MnM against lurkers as well as he can. The list goes on. Flash's main problem is that he relies to heavily on scouting. Bisu denied flash scouting very well, and flash kept pushing out with insufficient Marine SCV forces. That's because there aren't any terran players with micro as good as him. It's commonly accepted that Jaedong and Bisu overtake him in terms of micro, granted it's a paper-thin difference however it's a difference nonetheless. Flash is not the best at everything I have to disagree with this. When you talk about micro there are different types. For example, vulture micro Fantasy probably the best, but MM I think Flash is better. Flash doesnt play zerg so who knows how good his muta control compared to JD, sair/dt micro (Bisu) or carriers/arbiter (Stork) or storms(jangbi). All of those micros are different so it is hard to say who is actually better. "It's commonly accepted that Jaedong and Bisu overtake him in terms of micro" this is just not true at all. I think you are the only one that accepts that. It's not micro that he gets overtaken in, Bisu's multi-task, when he's on point like today, is what he has over Flash. I'm not even a fan of Bisu but there are times when his multi-tasking is literally inhuman. Totally agree with this. Bisu multitasking is famous with his super high APM. FPVOD of Bisu is crazily fast as he stops on each screen like only 1 second and still able to complete all the tasks he needs to do.
Well his peak APM is like 500 or something... but it's not his APM that makes him so good... It's more like his efficiency~ Remember Savior had like average 200 or something, but he never spammed like Hyuk who peaked 800 and averaged 500... And Bisu's FPVOD's and stuff especially when he went to B.net attack (  RIP MBCgame) all the people always comment on how clean his screen is with such clear actions that help them commentate during the games.
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Watching ACE match again... Gosh... if only Bisu played that well every single game, only a select few people would be able to beat him why you do this to me bisu? but it's ok... you won this time~ :D :D :D am i the only person that thinks he should have stolen Flash's expo gas as well? haha that'd be just cruel
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On April 09 2012 04:32 pylonsalad wrote:
Sun deserves a lot of credit. He handled Stats's dt build perfectly. Without his win it would never have gone to ace.
Hell yeah, Sun played an important part for his team as much as Bisu and Fantasy did. He will sadly be the unsung hero of these finals. BUT IT'S OKAY SUN I WILL REMEMBER YOUR CLUTCH PLAY FOR YOUR TEAM FOREVER AND EVER.
On April 09 2012 14:06 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 13:50 Lightwip wrote:On April 09 2012 13:27 Mindcrime wrote:On April 09 2012 12:43 Lightwip wrote:
I'm glad that if this is the end, at least Brood War has a happy ending. The hero Bisu takes down the villain Flash to acchieve true victory. Trying to ignore the OSL eh? I already accepted terran scum victory in that as a foregone conclusion. See my thread on the topic. But PL finals is more important. A Bisu > Flash to end BW is a victory for justice. Anyway, does anyone have an image/gif of Sun's celebration on stage after beating stats? He did this little leap that was ridiculously cute but the vod missed it
Lol yeah I remember that too. Sun's victory celebrations are always ridiculously cute, fuck da haters.
Holy shit that's sick. Kudos to you for portraying all of the action that went down in screenshot captured form!
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On April 09 2012 14:06 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 13:50 Lightwip wrote:On April 09 2012 13:27 Mindcrime wrote:On April 09 2012 12:43 Lightwip wrote:
I'm glad that if this is the end, at least Brood War has a happy ending. The hero Bisu takes down the villain Flash to acchieve true victory. Trying to ignore the OSL eh? I already accepted terran scum victory in that as a foregone conclusion. See my thread on the topic. But PL finals is more important. A Bisu > Flash to end BW is a victory for justice. A victory of map selection.
The benefits of a superior team.
Before you get more sour grapes, keep in mind SKT got to pick the map because they got here with a better regular season.
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is there anywhere that i can read what was said after the games?
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any of u guys know when will the write-up will be posted?? MUST READ THE WRITE-UP!!!
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fucking awesome finals... i'm so sad... as a major kt fan, and even more flash fan... watching his dismantling 2 games in 1 day... ugh. i'm utterly destroyed... and to top that... skt is the winners. uggggghhh... but truly amazing day worth of matches. =( stats... flash..=( gj skt1, you deserve teh victory.
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On April 09 2012 13:09 eviltomahawk wrote:Me too! High five through the internet! I stayed up all night. The sun was rising. I decided to watch from my bed, which turned out to be an unwise idea, since I missed the first half of game 5 and woke up to Stats losing his natural. Then I passed out again during the commercials before game 6. But the vods were pretty good.
I fell asleep during sayles pregame kiett v kiante....
but then I magically woke up for the ace match and I had to slap myself a few times to make sure I wasn't dreaming.
Amazing. ^^
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why no mvp for hoejja man ...... he is the freaking hero for yesterday finals .
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On April 09 2012 03:11 Nefas wrote:![[image loading]](http://h10.abload.de/img/junjouxxrwx.gif)
lmfao this gif needs more attention
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You are a genius, a madman and someone who needs to do this more often <3
So, I got around to watching that final montage at the end, man, I was starting to cry, remembering all those times before.
</3
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God I'm horribly sad...
Flash throwing away a won game.... I mean for god sakes if you kill the core and support facility you'd think that a zlot counter attack would be the only thing bisu can do after losing most of his goons....
More mm instead of tanks, more vultures.... heck even a wall in response ...
With such poor play in an ACE match after failing to properly react he deserves to lose.
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On April 09 2012 14:57 sluggaslamoo wrote:lmfao this gif needs more attention
it took me a second to realize what she-bisu was grabbing, but then I lol'd
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On April 09 2012 14:57 Sawamura wrote:
why no mvp for hoejja man ...... he is the freaking hero for yesterday finals .
Whoa whoa whoa. Complete bias.
But he's the MVP for KT that's for sure.
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A bit pissed at the youtube preview this morning when I was making my way through the smallvod thread. I went through all the vods with great highs and low lows and coming off the highest high when Hoejja took Best apart (Hoejja is probably my favorite player and Best is one of my least favorites -- and these are longstanding 2-3 year preferences). I saw Flash vs. Bisu in the box and was ecstatic, only to have it ruined within seconds when I saw Bisu with the trophy in the youtube preview.
I didn't even bother to watch the last game. It might be a good game, but I don't think I could.
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Singapore66364 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2xVBT.jpg)
only managed to steal these stuff
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First post ever, even though I've been following BW and now SC2 for years. I check TL everyday, but I never felt like I had anything to post about/contribute. All that being said I had to register to post this:
BEST SERIES EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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