On April 08 2012 23:43 chambertin wrote: SO I gather vultures are pretty good against zealots???
Do they do bonus damage or something? and are they faster than zeals with legs?
...???
the vults do the whole 20 dmg to zeals since zeals are considered small (please confirm, even tho they take up two slots, they're small right?) and concussion does 100% damage against small
Yes they are small. And Spider mines pretty good also against lots.
Alright now that I'm done vomiting rainbows all over my room and exploding from happiness I realized this, KT only won using their zergs, flash lost twice. stats lost.
On April 08 2012 23:43 SkelA wrote: Flash just had to wait for medics and stim and push and win ..... but instead he went out with pure marine + scv against 3 gate zeal and lost alot of marines
Reavers dont care a bout medics.
He could make the push before reavers because Bisu tech was way behind pumping zeals and taking his natural nexus.
On April 08 2012 23:35 J1.au wrote: SK sponsored league, these maps are no coincidence. KT did their best, but the evil ones prevailed.
The thing is 1st place gets to pick the Ace match map over 2nd... just an advantage for being 1st in proleague
Losing team fans always make shit up. It makes the win even more worth it, without anti-fans the win may not taste that great. Haha. Blaming on maps, on this on that, I love it, bring it on KT fans, we will see you again for sure and it will be as epic as this or more. If we lose, we would blame it on the maps too. I love broodwar fans.
He just said 1st place has an advantage because they get to pick. That's objective fact. Calm down
On April 08 2012 23:37 Shikyo wrote: Okay, time to be serious now I guess.
Flash played awfully that last game. In the early game he had numerous chances to take a significant advantage, then just throws it by letting himself get flanked by Zealots. He might have been able to accumulate a large enough advantage at that point that he could just win with a timing push.
Afterwards he makes only tanks and no vultures. I was thinking he would lose it the moment he overcommitted to the place behind bisus base, but Bisu tried to break it instead of counterattacking. However, flash kept doing that, with NO vultures and NO proper defenses at home, and so Bisu was going to win the second he decided to counterattack. Flash couldn't even go for a base race himself after seeing Bisu countering him because he was at a terrible position behind Bisu's base where he couldn't access the actually important parts of Bisus base fast enough to deal any kind of significant damage.
Especially the part where he snipes core and then makes a total of 0 vultures against the only unit Bisu could possibly make was just unbelievable.
Flash definitely wasn't in form again. I believe that sending out Hoejja would have given KT better chances of victory.
this is such a warped perception it's unreal.
he did take a significant advantage in the early game which is WHY he was able to push out with pure tanks and actually get behind bisu's main. do you think that ever happens when the game is even or protoss is ahead?
He didn't take that large of an advantage in the early game. Flash should have been able to seal the game after the first few micro battles in his main. Every time Flash made great progress against the zealot rush he pushed out into the open and lost far too many marines.
I'm not such a fan of Flash's push location either, that spot behind the base let him siege down 2 tech buildings and that's it. It was a nice defensible position, sure, but he couldn't push anywhere from there. Let alone the fact that you can't reinforce that location, the supply lines are just too long!
they did trade even, with flash maybe slightly ahead, however, there are more variables to account for.
Bisu... -had no expansion -had his gateway in the middle of the map -made zealots. in the early game, making too many will just set you back. because even if you do mass up a whole bunch, they're useless because terran can build up a marine ball or just use vultures and just win.
On April 08 2012 23:44 rabidch wrote: they gave bisu mvp? what? am i reading this right?
fantasy was the guy who carried skt on his back this season, and if he didnt beat flash in game 2, who knows wouldve happened
Isn't it FINALS mvp? In that case I'd support giving it to bisu too...
HoeJJa. I'm not even a fan of KT but he had so much pressure on him to play well. Sure all of them did but if he lost to BeSt it would've been over for his team.
Also think about how many people underestimate him as well, he had a lot of pressure and pulled through.