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ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
February 22 2012 11:35 GMT
#181
On February 22 2012 20:33 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 20:33 Dakkas wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:32 Katsuge wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:30 InDaHouse wrote:
So much for Bisu probe being alive. Still didn't get to scout Soulkeys all-in.

thats not an all-in...


How was that not an all-in? He was making nothing but lings


He could have stopped making lings if bisu held it off and drone?


He would have been severely behind (too much Larvae on Lings) had Bisu hold that (save for taking severe dmg in return which is besides teh point). No matter though, all-in or no, SK won.
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
February 22 2012 11:35 GMT
#182
On February 22 2012 20:32 dartoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 20:30 Gamegene wrote:
"can't read my poker face"

damn straight.



lol I was thinking the same thing...

Didnt catch the start....did he underestimate the amount of lings coming out from zerg? One cannon was being too optimistic.

Hidden second hatchery made it hard to estimate the amount of lings. I'm surprised he didn't play safer, after all he should have known it was a hidden hatch somewhere O.o
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
February 22 2012 11:35 GMT
#183
On February 22 2012 20:33 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 20:33 Dakkas wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:32 Katsuge wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:30 InDaHouse wrote:
So much for Bisu probe being alive. Still didn't get to scout Soulkeys all-in.

thats not an all-in...


How was that not an all-in? He was making nothing but lings


He could have stopped making lings if bisu held it off and drone?



No, thats was pretty all-in, with so many lings, you'll be quite behind economically, especially if your lings do no damage...or just run into a few cannons. The probe needed to stay alive.
S-Class
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (North)665 Posts
February 22 2012 11:35 GMT
#184
YEs! Start the damn OSL already so Bisu could pwn them all already!
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
February 22 2012 11:35 GMT
#185
On February 22 2012 20:35 Necosarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 20:32 dartoo wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:30 Gamegene wrote:
"can't read my poker face"

damn straight.



lol I was thinking the same thing...

Didnt catch the start....did he underestimate the amount of lings coming out from zerg? One cannon was being too optimistic.

Hidden second hatchery made it hard to estimate the amount of lings. I'm surprised he didn't play safer, after all he should have known it was a hidden hatch somewhere O.o


Taking 3rd before Natural is pretty common in ZvP though? I see it all the time o.O
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
February 22 2012 11:36 GMT
#186
soulkey's peak elo is 2227... surprisingly less than i thought given his current skill (albeit he's peaking right now)
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
February 22 2012 11:37 GMT
#187
On February 22 2012 20:35 ffreakk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 20:35 Necosarius wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:32 dartoo wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:30 Gamegene wrote:
"can't read my poker face"

damn straight.



lol I was thinking the same thing...

Didnt catch the start....did he underestimate the amount of lings coming out from zerg? One cannon was being too optimistic.

Hidden second hatchery made it hard to estimate the amount of lings. I'm surprised he didn't play safer, after all he should have known it was a hidden hatch somewhere O.o


Taking 3rd before Natural is pretty common in ZvP though? I see it all the time o.O

Yeah but close to the protoss base? It's gonna be something fishy
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51101 Posts
February 22 2012 11:37 GMT
#188
On February 22 2012 20:32 shaftofpleasure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 20:31 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:30 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:29 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:24 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:17 ffreakk wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:13 Sawamura wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:12 ffreakk wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:11 Motivate wrote:
people who say light's tvz rivals that of flash's are kidding themselves.


Yea one game means SOOO much, i apologize for never realising that.


I don't think flash would have fail to such build by soo .


Yea Flash is not playing, so why don't you guys stuff it on the LR threads of KT games? People are complaining about Bisu fans before, but i swear Flash fans are the new shit nowadays.. Good god, he has to pop up no matter which teams are playing, and it's not like the discussion involves anything meaningful either, just "Flash is God, unbeatable, unstoppable, invincible".

That said, i too was surprised that Light gg-ed so early.. I guess it was too late to start on E-bay or Cloak research, but i thought he maybe could do _something_.. i mean.. it's soO =/



Yeah.

If Flash get's his first lose, I will laugh at his play and insult his fans even if I get banned.


not a very nice thing to do.


Talking about Flash in a game where Flash isn't playing is also not a very nice thing to do.


talking about someone is not nice? ok.


It depends who is the one being talked about. If it's flash on a thread where flash isn't playing, it's not nice.


it was a simple comparison, I'm sure no one believes that Flash is invincible or something.

I mean if they do,they have problems.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
February 22 2012 11:37 GMT
#189
On February 22 2012 20:35 ffreakk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 20:35 Necosarius wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:32 dartoo wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:30 Gamegene wrote:
"can't read my poker face"

damn straight.



lol I was thinking the same thing...

Didnt catch the start....did he underestimate the amount of lings coming out from zerg? One cannon was being too optimistic.

Hidden second hatchery made it hard to estimate the amount of lings. I'm surprised he didn't play safer, after all he should have known it was a hidden hatch somewhere O.o


Taking 3rd before Natural is pretty common in ZvP though? I see it all the time o.O

yeah i think bisu just assumed SK would play standard and did not bother scouting..
FTD
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
February 22 2012 11:37 GMT
#190
On February 22 2012 20:35 S-Class wrote:
YEs! Start the damn OSL already so Bisu could pwn them all already!
hahah this OSL belongs to Soulkey, sorry
besides, Bisu in OSL... he won't even make finals
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
February 22 2012 11:37 GMT
#191
I hope the rest of the games are better.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
George_the_man
Profile Joined May 2011
796 Posts
February 22 2012 11:38 GMT
#192
On February 22 2012 20:36 Motivate wrote:
soulkey's peak elo is 2227... surprisingly less than i thought given his current skill (albeit he's peaking right now)


hes ranked 5th so its pretty damn good
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2419 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 11:39:00
February 22 2012 11:38 GMT
#193
All the people calling that all-in are being disingeneous.

Yes, by the time he built all those lings, he was all-in. He didn't start building all those lings until he knew he'd won.

8 speedlings is not all-in.
The original Bogus fan.
HistRevist
Profile Joined July 2011
9 Posts
February 22 2012 11:39 GMT
#194
Unfortunately, most modern PvZ strats involve FE.....in case of a wide choke, go for 2 Gate?!
pylonsalad
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada649 Posts
February 22 2012 11:39 GMT
#195
On February 22 2012 20:35 ffreakk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 20:35 Necosarius wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:32 dartoo wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:30 Gamegene wrote:
"can't read my poker face"

damn straight.



lol I was thinking the same thing...

Didnt catch the start....did he underestimate the amount of lings coming out from zerg? One cannon was being too optimistic.

Hidden second hatchery made it hard to estimate the amount of lings. I'm surprised he didn't play safer, after all he should have known it was a hidden hatch somewhere O.o


Taking 3rd before Natural is pretty common in ZvP though? I see it all the time o.O



The tip-off was that he got gas before taking his natural (3rd hatch). Seeing such early gas and such late 3rd hatch, Bisu should have played safe with atleast another cannon, probably 2 more for 3 cannons total.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
February 22 2012 11:39 GMT
#196
On February 22 2012 20:37 Necosarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 20:35 ffreakk wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:35 Necosarius wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:32 dartoo wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:30 Gamegene wrote:
"can't read my poker face"

damn straight.



lol I was thinking the same thing...

Didnt catch the start....did he underestimate the amount of lings coming out from zerg? One cannon was being too optimistic.

Hidden second hatchery made it hard to estimate the amount of lings. I'm surprised he didn't play safer, after all he should have known it was a hidden hatch somewhere O.o


Taking 3rd before Natural is pretty common in ZvP though? I see it all the time o.O

Yeah but close to the protoss base? It's gonna be something fishy


I'm quite sure Bisu never scouted the location of the 3rd. Generally the probe doesn't look for the 3rd until later on. I think what Bisu could've scouted was that soulkey's first 100 gas wasn't spent on lair.
Meh
S-Class
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (North)665 Posts
February 22 2012 11:39 GMT
#197
On February 22 2012 20:35 dartoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 20:33 Caihead wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:33 Dakkas wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:32 Katsuge wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:30 InDaHouse wrote:
So much for Bisu probe being alive. Still didn't get to scout Soulkeys all-in.

thats not an all-in...


How was that not an all-in? He was making nothing but lings


He could have stopped making lings if bisu held it off and drone?



No, thats was pretty all-in, with so many lings, you'll be quite behind economically, especially if your lings do no damage...or just run into a few cannons. The probe needed to stay alive.

I'm flabbergastes this is even debated upon. Don't people play and know broodwar anymore?
If you go fast 3 hatch and cut drones to pump nothing but lings, you have the sole intention to end it before the Protoss gets a wall in his expo, preferable before 3 canons and 3 zealots. If you succeed with your bust, its a matter of sniping probes, destroying the pylon that powers the wall, and eliminating each zealot as it comes out. If not, you await a long painful death starting with being supply blocked, dts, reavers, too many ways to die.

Come on people, this is obvious.
Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 11:41:06
February 22 2012 11:40 GMT
#198
On February 22 2012 20:37 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 20:32 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:31 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:30 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:29 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:24 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:17 ffreakk wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:13 Sawamura wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:12 ffreakk wrote:
On February 22 2012 20:11 Motivate wrote:
people who say light's tvz rivals that of flash's are kidding themselves.


Yea one game means SOOO much, i apologize for never realising that.


I don't think flash would have fail to such build by soo .


Yea Flash is not playing, so why don't you guys stuff it on the LR threads of KT games? People are complaining about Bisu fans before, but i swear Flash fans are the new shit nowadays.. Good god, he has to pop up no matter which teams are playing, and it's not like the discussion involves anything meaningful either, just "Flash is God, unbeatable, unstoppable, invincible".

That said, i too was surprised that Light gg-ed so early.. I guess it was too late to start on E-bay or Cloak research, but i thought he maybe could do _something_.. i mean.. it's soO =/



Yeah.

If Flash get's his first lose, I will laugh at his play and insult his fans even if I get banned.


not a very nice thing to do.


Talking about Flash in a game where Flash isn't playing is also not a very nice thing to do.


talking about someone is not nice? ok.


It depends who is the one being talked about. If it's flash on a thread where flash isn't playing, it's not nice.


it was a simple comparison, I'm sure no one believes that Flash is invincible or something.

I mean if they do,they have problems.

lol, i don't see how that comparison was anywhere near as bad as the time when all those idiots were spamming bisu pics in all the LRs.
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
February 22 2012 11:40 GMT
#199
Theyre talking about the expo location though. If the ling bust failed how was he gonna defend the zealot hanbang and/or shuttle harass.
Woo Jung Ho
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
February 22 2012 11:41 GMT
#200
oooh
Fantasy vs Zero
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