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On February 22 2012 20:33 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 20:33 Dakkas wrote:On February 22 2012 20:32 Katsuge wrote:On February 22 2012 20:30 InDaHouse wrote: So much for Bisu probe being alive. Still didn't get to scout Soulkeys all-in. thats not an all-in... How was that not an all-in? He was making nothing but lings He could have stopped making lings if bisu held it off and drone?
He would have been severely behind (too much Larvae on Lings) had Bisu hold that (save for taking severe dmg in return which is besides teh point). No matter though, all-in or no, SK won.
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On February 22 2012 20:32 dartoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 20:30 Gamegene wrote: "can't read my poker face"
damn straight. lol I was thinking the same thing... Didnt catch the start....did he underestimate the amount of lings coming out from zerg? One cannon was being too optimistic. Hidden second hatchery made it hard to estimate the amount of lings. I'm surprised he didn't play safer, after all he should have known it was a hidden hatch somewhere O.o
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On February 22 2012 20:33 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 20:33 Dakkas wrote:On February 22 2012 20:32 Katsuge wrote:On February 22 2012 20:30 InDaHouse wrote: So much for Bisu probe being alive. Still didn't get to scout Soulkeys all-in. thats not an all-in... How was that not an all-in? He was making nothing but lings He could have stopped making lings if bisu held it off and drone?
No, thats was pretty all-in, with so many lings, you'll be quite behind economically, especially if your lings do no damage...or just run into a few cannons. The probe needed to stay alive.
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YEs! Start the damn OSL already so Bisu could pwn them all already!
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On February 22 2012 20:35 Necosarius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 20:32 dartoo wrote:On February 22 2012 20:30 Gamegene wrote: "can't read my poker face"
damn straight. lol I was thinking the same thing... Didnt catch the start....did he underestimate the amount of lings coming out from zerg? One cannon was being too optimistic. Hidden second hatchery made it hard to estimate the amount of lings. I'm surprised he didn't play safer, after all he should have known it was a hidden hatch somewhere O.o
Taking 3rd before Natural is pretty common in ZvP though? I see it all the time o.O
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soulkey's peak elo is 2227... surprisingly less than i thought given his current skill (albeit he's peaking right now)
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On February 22 2012 20:35 ffreakk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 20:35 Necosarius wrote:On February 22 2012 20:32 dartoo wrote:On February 22 2012 20:30 Gamegene wrote: "can't read my poker face"
damn straight. lol I was thinking the same thing... Didnt catch the start....did he underestimate the amount of lings coming out from zerg? One cannon was being too optimistic. Hidden second hatchery made it hard to estimate the amount of lings. I'm surprised he didn't play safer, after all he should have known it was a hidden hatch somewhere O.o Taking 3rd before Natural is pretty common in ZvP though? I see it all the time o.O Yeah but close to the protoss base? It's gonna be something fishy
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On February 22 2012 20:32 shaftofpleasure wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 20:31 BLinD-RawR wrote:On February 22 2012 20:30 shaftofpleasure wrote:On February 22 2012 20:29 BLinD-RawR wrote:On February 22 2012 20:24 shaftofpleasure wrote:On February 22 2012 20:17 ffreakk wrote:On February 22 2012 20:13 Sawamura wrote:On February 22 2012 20:12 ffreakk wrote:On February 22 2012 20:11 Motivate wrote: people who say light's tvz rivals that of flash's are kidding themselves. Yea one game means SOOO much, i apologize for never realising that. I don't think flash would have fail to such build by soo . Yea Flash is not playing, so why don't you guys stuff it on the LR threads of KT games? People are complaining about Bisu fans before, but i swear Flash fans are the new shit nowadays.. Good god, he has to pop up no matter which teams are playing, and it's not like the discussion involves anything meaningful either, just "Flash is God, unbeatable, unstoppable, invincible". That said, i too was surprised that Light gg-ed so early.. I guess it was too late to start on E-bay or Cloak research, but i thought he maybe could do _something_.. i mean.. it's soO =/ Yeah. If Flash get's his first lose, I will laugh at his play and insult his fans even if I get banned. not a very nice thing to do. Talking about Flash in a game where Flash isn't playing is also not a very nice thing to do. talking about someone is not nice? ok. It depends who is the one being talked about. If it's flash on a thread where flash isn't playing, it's not nice.
it was a simple comparison, I'm sure no one believes that Flash is invincible or something.
I mean if they do,they have problems.
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On February 22 2012 20:35 ffreakk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 20:35 Necosarius wrote:On February 22 2012 20:32 dartoo wrote:On February 22 2012 20:30 Gamegene wrote: "can't read my poker face"
damn straight. lol I was thinking the same thing... Didnt catch the start....did he underestimate the amount of lings coming out from zerg? One cannon was being too optimistic. Hidden second hatchery made it hard to estimate the amount of lings. I'm surprised he didn't play safer, after all he should have known it was a hidden hatch somewhere O.o Taking 3rd before Natural is pretty common in ZvP though? I see it all the time o.O yeah i think bisu just assumed SK would play standard and did not bother scouting..
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On February 22 2012 20:35 S-Class wrote: YEs! Start the damn OSL already so Bisu could pwn them all already! hahah this OSL belongs to Soulkey, sorry besides, Bisu in OSL... he won't even make finals
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I hope the rest of the games are better.
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On February 22 2012 20:36 Motivate wrote: soulkey's peak elo is 2227... surprisingly less than i thought given his current skill (albeit he's peaking right now)
hes ranked 5th so its pretty damn good
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All the people calling that all-in are being disingeneous.
Yes, by the time he built all those lings, he was all-in. He didn't start building all those lings until he knew he'd won.
8 speedlings is not all-in.
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Unfortunately, most modern PvZ strats involve FE.....in case of a wide choke, go for 2 Gate?!
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On February 22 2012 20:35 ffreakk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 20:35 Necosarius wrote:On February 22 2012 20:32 dartoo wrote:On February 22 2012 20:30 Gamegene wrote: "can't read my poker face"
damn straight. lol I was thinking the same thing... Didnt catch the start....did he underestimate the amount of lings coming out from zerg? One cannon was being too optimistic. Hidden second hatchery made it hard to estimate the amount of lings. I'm surprised he didn't play safer, after all he should have known it was a hidden hatch somewhere O.o Taking 3rd before Natural is pretty common in ZvP though? I see it all the time o.O
The tip-off was that he got gas before taking his natural (3rd hatch). Seeing such early gas and such late 3rd hatch, Bisu should have played safe with atleast another cannon, probably 2 more for 3 cannons total.
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On February 22 2012 20:37 Necosarius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 20:35 ffreakk wrote:On February 22 2012 20:35 Necosarius wrote:On February 22 2012 20:32 dartoo wrote:On February 22 2012 20:30 Gamegene wrote: "can't read my poker face"
damn straight. lol I was thinking the same thing... Didnt catch the start....did he underestimate the amount of lings coming out from zerg? One cannon was being too optimistic. Hidden second hatchery made it hard to estimate the amount of lings. I'm surprised he didn't play safer, after all he should have known it was a hidden hatch somewhere O.o Taking 3rd before Natural is pretty common in ZvP though? I see it all the time o.O Yeah but close to the protoss base? It's gonna be something fishy
I'm quite sure Bisu never scouted the location of the 3rd. Generally the probe doesn't look for the 3rd until later on. I think what Bisu could've scouted was that soulkey's first 100 gas wasn't spent on lair.
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On February 22 2012 20:35 dartoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 20:33 Caihead wrote:On February 22 2012 20:33 Dakkas wrote:On February 22 2012 20:32 Katsuge wrote:On February 22 2012 20:30 InDaHouse wrote: So much for Bisu probe being alive. Still didn't get to scout Soulkeys all-in. thats not an all-in... How was that not an all-in? He was making nothing but lings He could have stopped making lings if bisu held it off and drone? No, thats was pretty all-in, with so many lings, you'll be quite behind economically, especially if your lings do no damage...or just run into a few cannons. The probe needed to stay alive. I'm flabbergastes this is even debated upon. Don't people play and know broodwar anymore? If you go fast 3 hatch and cut drones to pump nothing but lings, you have the sole intention to end it before the Protoss gets a wall in his expo, preferable before 3 canons and 3 zealots. If you succeed with your bust, its a matter of sniping probes, destroying the pylon that powers the wall, and eliminating each zealot as it comes out. If not, you await a long painful death starting with being supply blocked, dts, reavers, too many ways to die.
Come on people, this is obvious.
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On February 22 2012 20:37 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 20:32 shaftofpleasure wrote:On February 22 2012 20:31 BLinD-RawR wrote:On February 22 2012 20:30 shaftofpleasure wrote:On February 22 2012 20:29 BLinD-RawR wrote:On February 22 2012 20:24 shaftofpleasure wrote:On February 22 2012 20:17 ffreakk wrote:On February 22 2012 20:13 Sawamura wrote:On February 22 2012 20:12 ffreakk wrote:On February 22 2012 20:11 Motivate wrote: people who say light's tvz rivals that of flash's are kidding themselves. Yea one game means SOOO much, i apologize for never realising that. I don't think flash would have fail to such build by soo . Yea Flash is not playing, so why don't you guys stuff it on the LR threads of KT games? People are complaining about Bisu fans before, but i swear Flash fans are the new shit nowadays.. Good god, he has to pop up no matter which teams are playing, and it's not like the discussion involves anything meaningful either, just "Flash is God, unbeatable, unstoppable, invincible". That said, i too was surprised that Light gg-ed so early.. I guess it was too late to start on E-bay or Cloak research, but i thought he maybe could do _something_.. i mean.. it's soO =/ Yeah. If Flash get's his first lose, I will laugh at his play and insult his fans even if I get banned. not a very nice thing to do. Talking about Flash in a game where Flash isn't playing is also not a very nice thing to do. talking about someone is not nice? ok. It depends who is the one being talked about. If it's flash on a thread where flash isn't playing, it's not nice. it was a simple comparison, I'm sure no one believes that Flash is invincible or something. I mean if they do,they have problems. lol, i don't see how that comparison was anywhere near as bad as the time when all those idiots were spamming bisu pics in all the LRs.
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Theyre talking about the expo location though. If the ling bust failed how was he gonna defend the zealot hanbang and/or shuttle harass.
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