When problems overwhelm KT and sadness smothers them, where do they find the will and the courage to continue? Well the answer may come in the caring voice of a friend,a chance encounter with a book, or from a personal faith. For KT Rolster, help came from their faith, but it also from Hoejja. Shortly after the fourth loss of the Season, the loss to Khan, hope was on its lowest. But KT not only survived, they worked their way out of despondency and now they say, life is good again. How could this happen? In hard times, the big three of KT play at their best. + Show Spoiler +
On February 14 2012 19:20 arbiter_md wrote: I want another Flash vs Stork. We see so rarely epic games nowadays, that when it's possible I want them to repeat.
True, but a Flash vs Jangbi would also be very epic!
Kickass banner, though I expect nothing less from Hyde Very good job man, thanks for all your efforts On a side note Flash will go undefeated in Wrestlemania to face the Deadman and settle these undefeated strokes once and for all. Oh wait ...
On February 14 2012 18:55 Heimatloser wrote: When problems overwhelm KT and sadness smothers them, where do they find the will and the courage to continue? Well the answer may come in the caring voice of a friend,a chance encounter with a book, or from a personal faith. For KT Rolster, help came from their faith, but it also from Hoejja. Shortly after the fourth loss of the Season, the loss to Khan, hope was on its lowest. But KT not only survived, they worked their way out of despondency and now they say, life is good again. How could this happen? In hard times, the big three of KT play at their best. + Show Spoiler +
Flash, Stats & Hoejja ftw!
YEs hoejja will rise again or action will show the inner jaedong from his practice game . Come on kt win this please I beg you T_T !!!!!!
On February 14 2012 20:05 bgx wrote: oh bummer stork vs action :o
I told you not to expect a Flash vs Stork.
Maybe im in minority but i believe JB has bigger chances vs Flash if he brings his A-game, however i was bummed because Stork is playing Action which seems to me a little coin flippy on paper.
Looks like action is either going for fast drop's or muta on 2 base .... since he hasn't taken a third. Wait why the hell is action making a hatchery near stork base O.o
On February 14 2012 20:09 Nikon wrote: Action's third is in a bad place. The distance from Stork's nat to it is way lower than if he had taken in the top right position or am I mistaken?
I think you are right, but the difference is pretty small, and that position allows Action to flank Stork's army more easily than taking the 1:30 natural, imo.
Actually i found this game quite non-standard. Nowadays Z's mostly go Hydra heavy in midgame with Mutas to snipe HT's. And Archon+Zealot is pretty old school as well.
On February 14 2012 20:23 Sawamura wrote: Man I am really pissed off . If action defended that push he would have a solid mid to late game transition .
Getting to lategame is always one of Action's 99 problems.
On February 14 2012 20:21 Sawamura wrote: If action didn't donated his lings ..... in the earlier part he could have use them to hold off the rush ...
12 lings vs. all those Zealots? Highly questionable it would have made any difference whatsoever.
Those lings will pick off the zealots which are busy attacking the sunkens just in time for the mutas to come in and provide some reinforcement ... Every units counts man for the zerg race .
On February 14 2012 20:21 Sawamura wrote: If action didn't donated his lings ..... in the earlier part he could have use them to hold off the rush ...
12 lings vs. all those Zealots? Highly questionable it would have made any difference whatsoever.
With good micro it would help quite because a big part of holding that is blocking access to the sunkens, and with a good drill you can take advantage if lings high dps. Action would have lost anyway though.
On February 14 2012 20:21 Sawamura wrote: If action didn't donated his lings ..... in the earlier part he could have use them to hold off the rush ...
12 lings vs. all those Zealots? Highly questionable it would have made any difference whatsoever.
Those lings will pick off the zealots which are busy attacking the sunkens just in time for the mutas to come in and provide some reinforcement ... Every units counts man for the zerg race .
It was the BO's fault. Shouldn't have gone for mutas - would have had more stuff to beat the Zealots with. Which still melts to storms, so yeah, better to just move on and forget this game happened.
So could anyone explain to me how pvz is these days? When I left BW P could not win a game vs Z hardly and usually it was just hydrabusts all over the place. Now it seem that P just destroy zerg to left and right. What happend?
On February 14 2012 20:21 Sawamura wrote: If action didn't donated his lings ..... in the earlier part he could have use them to hold off the rush ...
12 lings vs. all those Zealots? Highly questionable it would have made any difference whatsoever.
Those lings will pick off the zealots which are busy attacking the sunkens just in time for the mutas to come in and provide some reinforcement ... Every units counts man for the zerg race .
It was the BO's fault. Shouldn't have gone for mutas - would have had more stuff to beat the Zealots with. Which still melts to storms, so yeah, better to just move on and forget this game happened.
On February 14 2012 20:21 Sawamura wrote: If action didn't donated his lings ..... in the earlier part he could have use them to hold off the rush ...
12 lings vs. all those Zealots? Highly questionable it would have made any difference whatsoever.
With good micro it would help quite because a big part of holding that is blocking access to the sunkens, and with a good drill you can take advantage if lings high dps. Action would have lost anyway though.
Could have blocked with drones as well, but those just melt to archons (like Zerglings). Crux of the matter, that's what early mutas do.
On February 14 2012 20:21 Sawamura wrote: If action didn't donated his lings ..... in the earlier part he could have use them to hold off the rush ...
12 lings vs. all those Zealots? Highly questionable it would have made any difference whatsoever.
Those lings will pick off the zealots which are busy attacking the sunkens just in time for the mutas to come in and provide some reinforcement ... Every units counts man for the zerg race .
It was the BO's fault. Shouldn't have gone for mutas - would have had more stuff to beat the Zealots with. Which still melts to storms, so yeah, better to just move on and forget this game happened.
On February 14 2012 20:28 purpose wrote: So could anyone explain to me how pvz is these days? When I left BW P could not win a game vs Z hardly and usually it was just hydrabusts all over the place. Now it seem that P just destroy zerg to left and right. What happend?
Protoss (Bisu) have figured out that they just needed to build more sairs and zealots. Not sure when you left bw though, so I can't be more precise than that. Fortunately hydra busts can still work.
On February 14 2012 20:21 Sawamura wrote: If action didn't donated his lings ..... in the earlier part he could have use them to hold off the rush ...
12 lings vs. all those Zealots? Highly questionable it would have made any difference whatsoever.
Those lings will pick off the zealots which are busy attacking the sunkens just in time for the mutas to come in and provide some reinforcement ... Every units counts man for the zerg race .
It was the BO's fault. Shouldn't have gone for mutas - would have had more stuff to beat the Zealots with. Which still melts to storms, so yeah, better to just move on and forget this game happened.
On February 14 2012 20:21 Sawamura wrote: If action didn't donated his lings ..... in the earlier part he could have use them to hold off the rush ...
12 lings vs. all those Zealots? Highly questionable it would have made any difference whatsoever.
Those lings will pick off the zealots which are busy attacking the sunkens just in time for the mutas to come in and provide some reinforcement ... Every units counts man for the zerg race .
It was the BO's fault. Shouldn't have gone for mutas - would have had more stuff to beat the Zealots with. Which still melts to storms, so yeah, better to just move on and forget this game happened.
Are you saying ZvP is unwinnable ?^^
hard to win.
At the moment certainly. I'm confident a solution exists though, but we'll need someone to think outside the box. Which might never happen :/
On February 14 2012 20:21 Sawamura wrote: If action didn't donated his lings ..... in the earlier part he could have use them to hold off the rush ...
12 lings vs. all those Zealots? Highly questionable it would have made any difference whatsoever.
Those lings will pick off the zealots which are busy attacking the sunkens just in time for the mutas to come in and provide some reinforcement ... Every units counts man for the zerg race .
It was the BO's fault. Shouldn't have gone for mutas - would have had more stuff to beat the Zealots with. Which still melts to storms, so yeah, better to just move on and forget this game happened.
Are you saying ZvP is unwinnable ?^^
Lol, no. You canshould always hydrabust before storms!
[12:30] <@Kimoleon> Q - hello stork, dt and everythign else all perfecto, last game vs flash your streak broken your pace still alive, congrats [12:31] <@Kimoleon> Stork - I lost last time so close, I needed to win, I wwanted to face Flash again on this map, so sad could not play him again [12:31] <@Kimoleon> Q - last time, flash said protoss cannot block build(dropship high ground ground zero), is that true [12:31] <@Kimoleon> Stork - I tried that in practice, it can be blocked (hahahha) as long as I don't get dmg from dropship play it is ezpz, since this is last kt match.. darn could've played him again [12:32] <@Kimoleon> Stork - I hope he stops here (hahah) hope my teammates can beat him :> [12:32] <@Kimoleon> Thank you for games [12:32] * Kimoleon sets mode: -m
On February 14 2012 20:32 Kipsate wrote: [12:30] <@Kimoleon> Q - hello stork, dt and everythign else all perfecto, last game vs flash your streak broken your pace still alive, congrats [12:31] <@Kimoleon> Stork - I lost last time so close, I needed to win, I wwanted to face Flash again on this map, so sad could not play him again [12:31] <@Kimoleon> Q - last time, flash said protoss cannot block build(dropship high ground ground zero), is that true [12:31] <@Kimoleon> Stork - I tried that in practice, it can be blocked (hahahha) as long as I don't get dmg from dropship play it is ezpz, since this is last kt match.. darn could've played him again [12:32] <@Kimoleon> Stork - I hope he stops here (hahah) hope my teammates can beat him :> [12:32] <@Kimoleon> Thank you for games [12:32] * Kimoleon sets mode: -m
I think what Flash meant is that he was confident this build would work 100% the first time. PvP zzzzz Edit : thanks btw
On February 14 2012 20:33 Hinanawi wrote: With the state of Z lately I'd much rather have KT return to being a Protoss-heavy team, <3 Wooki, let's do this!
On February 14 2012 20:32 Kipsate wrote: [12:30] <@Kimoleon> Q - hello stork, dt and everythign else all perfecto, last game vs flash your streak broken your pace still alive, congrats [12:31] <@Kimoleon> Stork - I lost last time so close, I needed to win, I wwanted to face Flash again on this map, so sad could not play him again [12:31] <@Kimoleon> Q - last time, flash said protoss cannot block build(dropship high ground ground zero), is that true [12:31] <@Kimoleon> Stork - I tried that in practice, it can be blocked (hahahha) as long as I don't get dmg from dropship play it is ezpz, since this is last kt match.. darn could've played him again [12:32] <@Kimoleon> Stork - I hope he stops here (hahah) hope my teammates can beat him :> [12:32] <@Kimoleon> Thank you for games [12:32] * Kimoleon sets mode: -m
On February 14 2012 20:41 mnesthes wrote: WOOKI WHY DID YOU TARGET THE SHUTTLE INSTEAD OF THE REAVER
Well i dont disagree with targeting the shuttle but when it was running away he should of went for the reaver not outright chased the shuttle. That was a good push either way though by brave.
Thats what happens when you 2 gate on 2 player map and put zero pressure.Reaver kills you.
GG, Brave played well, you just can't suck @ pvp with Stork and Jangbang as tps. Let's see who has Khan prepared vs Flash, i'd like to see Jangbi but got a feeling that Turn will do some fun build.
Did Wooki think that Brave wouldn't know the perfect autowin counter to this opening or what? All the time Protoss dare to start like this in PvP i have seen this exact counter being succesful (unless big mistake in gameplay occurs).
On February 14 2012 20:42 Itachii wrote: Thats what happens when you 2 gate on 2 player map and put zero pressure.Reaver kills you.
GG, Brave played well, you just can't suck @ pvp with Stork and Jangbang as tps. Let's see who has Khan prepared vs Flash, i'd like to see Jangbi but got a feeling that Turn will do some fun build.
Khan protoss line is really solid, with grape in the rookie line. If i were kha ill send jangbi, and maybe even call kts bluff if they dont send flash yet. 3-0 baby
[12:52] <@Kimoleon> Q - game highlights, you see the proxy 2 gates here.. you know everything about this built, congrats on win [12:52] <@Kimoleon> Brave - our team is going to be 1st soon.. [12:52] <@Kimoleon> q - already? [12:52] <@Kimoleon> Brave - ahh not yet, KT starts always 0-2 [12:52] <@Kimoleon> Q - how far will it go? [12:52] <@Kimoleon> Brave - It will go to 5th set [12:53] <@Kimoleon> Q - but Gorush is here [12:53] <@Kimoleon> Brave - ahh.. but we did break that last time :> [12:53] <@Kimoleon> Q - what do you think of this buildu [12:53] <+konadora> i bought this in korea :3 http://i.imgur.com/cp5KG.jpg [12:53] <@Kimoleon> Brave - I wanted to use this build as well, but did not have a chance to use it [12:53] <@Kimoleon> Q - should you not use this build against Samsung? [12:54] <@Kimoleon> Brave - this is a one shot strategy, use once and not use again because of an obvious response [12:54] <@Kimoleon> Q - how will this match go today? [12:54] <@Kimoleon> Brave - as I said earlier, vs KT starts at set 3, I think there will be fun games today
On February 14 2012 20:54 Hinanawi wrote: Oh shit, TvT is where I'm most afraid Flash is gonna drop a game from a bad earlygame engagement or something.
I've forgotten what it's like to worry about Flash losing.
flash really looks retarded with this water gargle thing. i like his game, but he can really cut that pergame ritual. i mean the ruler thing is something already whatever
[12:52] <@Kimoleon> Q - game highlights, you see the proxy 2 gates here.. you know everything about this built, congrats on win [12:52] * qweqweqwewq (webchat@89-79-241-172.dynamic.chello.pl) has joined #nanashin [12:52] <@Kimoleon> Brave - our team is going to be 1st soon.. [12:52] <@Kimoleon> q - already? [12:52] <@Kimoleon> Brave - ahh not yet, KT starts always 0-2 [12:52] <@Kimoleon> Q - how far will it go? [12:52] <@Kimoleon> Brave - It will go to 5th set [12:53] <@Kimoleon> Q - but Gorush is here [12:53] <@Kimoleon> Brave - ahh.. but we did break that last time :> [12:53] <@Kimoleon> Q - what do you think of this buildu [12:53] <+konadora> i bought this in korea :3 http://i.imgur.com/cp5KG.jpg [12:53] <@Kimoleon> Brave - I wanted to use this build as well, but did not have a chance to use it [12:53] <@Kimoleon> Q - should you not use this build against Samsung? [12:54] <@Kimoleon> Brave - this is a one shot strategy, use once and not use again because of an obvious response [12:54] <@Kimoleon> Q - how will this match go today? [12:54] <@Kimoleon> Brave - as I said earlier, vs KT starts at set 3, I think there will be
On February 14 2012 20:55 .V. wrote: flash really looks retarded with this water gargle thing. i like his game, but he can really cut that pergame ritual. i mean the ruler thing is something already whatever
People usually need rituals to help themselve focus.
This game looked quite one sided... a shame my BW culture is lackluster so I guess I missed a lot of little details. Can someone explain me if Reality played bad or something or what was his main mistake?
On February 14 2012 21:16 MavivaM wrote: This game looked quite one sided... a shame my BW culture is lackluster so I guess I missed a lot of little details. Can someone explain me if Reality played bad or something or what was his main mistake?
he was behind from the early marine vulture pressure, and the bunker diidnt allow for his expansion to go up, then reality lost hp/tanks to mines and it kind of snowballed from there.
On February 14 2012 21:16 MavivaM wrote: This game looked quite one sided... a shame my BW culture is lackluster so I guess I missed a lot of little details. Can someone explain me if Reality played bad or something or what was his main mistake?
Reality lost to a superior TvT player that's all ..
On February 14 2012 21:16 MavivaM wrote: This game looked quite one sided... a shame my BW culture is lackluster so I guess I missed a lot of little details. Can someone explain me if Reality played bad or something or what was his main mistake?
He got outplayed. Badly.
Cancelling that bunker near the beginning was probably a mistake, as was ggaemo-style minesweeping after the contain was broken. Other than that, he didn't really make any mistakes.
On February 14 2012 21:16 MavivaM wrote: This game looked quite one sided... a shame my BW culture is lackluster so I guess I missed a lot of little details. Can someone explain me if Reality played bad or something or what was his main mistake?
I did not play bad per see, but his play was not really stellar. My analysis is that Flash seizd this initiative in the opening, and never let it go, and Reality did not find a way to regain some. Flash play was absolutely immaculate too.
On February 14 2012 21:16 MavivaM wrote: This game looked quite one sided... a shame my BW culture is lackluster so I guess I missed a lot of little details. Can someone explain me if Reality played bad or something or what was his main mistake?
The game was basically decided at the start with the brilliant early aggression play/contain by Flash.
On February 14 2012 21:16 MavivaM wrote: This game looked quite one sided... a shame my BW culture is lackluster so I guess I missed a lot of little details. Can someone explain me if Reality played bad or something or what was his main mistake?
Reality lost to a superior TvT player that's all ..
Flash did a great shark move which is he wounded his opponent in the beginning and then bit chunks off Reality for the rest of the game. Or you could say he just methodically picked apart reality's game.
On February 14 2012 21:16 MavivaM wrote: This game looked quite one sided... a shame my BW culture is lackluster so I guess I missed a lot of little details. Can someone explain me if Reality played bad or something or what was his main mistake?
I guess the mistake was playing against Flash?
Seriously, he reacted quite poorly at this early contain. He didn't do the vulture run-by, lifted his rax early and therefore lost scv when Flash pushed before first tank, and had siege mode really late.
Flash came out of it with an economic advantage. He then proceeded to take a very early third and therefore was in a much better economic shape. He didn't make any mistake from then, and just crushed Reality.
On February 14 2012 21:16 MavivaM wrote: This game looked quite one sided... a shame my BW culture is lackluster so I guess I missed a lot of little details. Can someone explain me if Reality played bad or something or what was his main mistake?
Flash got ahead with those early 4 rines, 2 scvs and 1 vulture. Then he got further ahead by denying Reality's expo for minutes. Then since he was ahead already he got further ahead by using how ahead he was to get an earlier 3rd base. Then reality loses tank and vulture to mine. Then reality losing units because his army was split apart so they got picked off. He used this to get further ahead and it spiralled into a huge supply lead.
On February 14 2012 21:14 Bebop07 wrote: Is flash just..never going to lose? Is so ridiculous anyone can do this in sc..the guy is a god.
This isn't even his longest streak, relax.
Now it is. 4 to go Flash, you can do it.
Ah well still not as good as Shine
Yep, it's pretty funny =) I think there are quite a few people who have the capacity to defeat Flash, but honestly, with so few games, I'm starting to be really confident that' he'll beat Gorush streak. Oov's one match up record will never be broken though.
lolololol Flash thinks (despite his first interview) that Stork's defense was pretty much worthless and he thought that he would have won regardless of whatever defense...
While Flash made no mistakes except the most minor ones, this walkover was started because of positional disadvantage and opening disadvantage. People shouldn't underestimate it.
That probably annoyed Reality too but he really should have not stepped on those mines, especially the first one.
Thanks for the explanation guys! Since when MSL died I watched the VODs TL kindly posted and decided to improve my culture, but there's no match: watching the game live is totally another experience.
On February 14 2012 21:23 KTF_CloaK wrote: IF Stats wins it's gonna be Mind/ Hoejja vs Jangbi... I don't like out chances BUT WE STILL HAVE FAITH GOGO KT ROLSTAAAAHHHH
don't worry when it comes to set 5 you can always trust in january.
On February 14 2012 21:23 MavivaM wrote: Thanks for the explanation guys! Since when MSL died I watched the VODs TL kindly posted and decided to improve my culture, but there's no match: watching the game live is totally another experience.
On February 14 2012 21:23 KTF_CloaK wrote: IF Stats wins it's gonna be Mind/ Hoejja vs Jangbi... I don't like out chances BUT WE STILL HAVE FAITH GOGO KT ROLSTAAAAHHHH
don't worry when it comes to set 5 you can always trust in trolluary.
On February 14 2012 21:30 Wala.Revolution wrote: Raxes but obs is out soon. This is a counter to fast 3rd not fast obs where toss can react with either reaver or mass speedzeals.
noo way in heal he can get legs that fast, reaver on the other hand....
On February 14 2012 21:39 Battleship789 wrote: Is it just me, or did Stats seem to have a really low number of gateway units? Still, wp by Turn. Deep 6 is always fun to watch!
I wouldn't call this a deep 6, and not just because he only had 5rax.
Today's immediate post match interviews! Imo it would be cool if we could update these into the OP whenever there's a translator in the chat nice enough, it's awesome for anyone who missed the matches.
Stork Q - hello stork, dt and everythign else all perfecto, last game vs flash your streak broken your pace still alive, congrats Stork - I lost last time so close, I needed to win, I wwanted to face Flash again on this map, so sad could not play him again
Q - last time, flash said protoss cannot block build, is that true Stork - I tried that in practice, it can be blocked (hahahha) as long as I don't get dmg from dropship play it is ezpz, since this is last kt match.. darn could've played him again
Q - ahh I see, will flash continue streak? Stork - I hope he stops here (hahah) hope my teammates can beat him :>
Brave Q - game highlights, you see the proxy 2 gates here.. you know everything about this built, congrats on win Brave - our team is going to be 1st soon..
Flash Q - Flash's bunker, map specs.. bunker hard to do but really, he can do anything, pull 4 marines to push in really, this judgement was crazy, plus sustaining bunker with scv vulture, congrats on win Flash - thank you, rather than my victory I'm happy to bring pace back to KT side
Q - this going in part, really we complimented [ talking about early pressure] Flash - really it didn't work out the way I planned, I saw one vulture and nothing afterwards so this was freestyle Flash - I think both of us did not use our prepared builds (talking about prep build, not using blah blah) Flash - reality with no marine + lift, thats why I got a huge adv
Q - your comments on protoss, did you hear Stork interbiew? Flash - at first I used on stork-hyung, doesn't matter if he can block it afterwards :o
Q - so it doesn't matter finding out a way after losing? huhu
Q- You are approaching the win streak record (15 wins by Gorush) you want itz? Flash - I don't think I can say that for sure, I hope my team wins 3-2 today
On February 14 2012 21:39 Battleship789 wrote: Is it just me, or did Stats seem to have a really low number of gateway units? Still, wp by Turn. Deep 6 is always fun to watch!
he lost alot of shield/some goons when he engaged Turn in the ''middle''.
On February 14 2012 21:39 Battleship789 wrote: Is it just me, or did Stats seem to have a really low number of gateway units? Still, wp by Turn. Deep 6 is always fun to watch!
I wouldn't call this a deep 6, and not just because he only had 5rax.
Was rooting for my countrymen in SC2 so didn't catch PL but wow, Turn is in really really impressive form. You could say the same for Flash but it's not like it's at all surprising.
On February 14 2012 21:39 Battleship789 wrote: Is it just me, or did Stats seem to have a really low number of gateway units? Still, wp by Turn. Deep 6 is always fun to watch!
I wouldn't call this a deep 6, and not just because he only had 5rax.
Deep anger build!
Doesn't deep six hit with +1 armor timing on engi bay?
Turn skipped the engi bay and even had delayed range(range didnt finish until he got close to stats his base) meaning the timing hit very early despite the reaver coming out.
On February 14 2012 21:39 Battleship789 wrote: Is it just me, or did Stats seem to have a really low number of gateway units? Still, wp by Turn. Deep 6 is always fun to watch!
I wouldn't call this a deep 6, and not just because he only had 5rax.
Deep anger build!
Doesn't deep six hit with +1 armor timing on engi bay?
Turn skipped the engi bay and even had delayed range(range didnt finish until he got close to stats his base) meaning the timing hit very early despite the reaver coming out.
Precisely, no eng bay means no turrents to deny observer scouting, instead his build aims to hit at the timing that an observer arrives in the first place, to allow insufficient time to respond.
On February 14 2012 21:40 red4ce wrote: KT falling apart in round 3 T_T
I think it's just because KT is weak against Khan(see SKT vs STX/Stars). The thing is KT is good against almost everyone they have to face in R3 including CJ, while Khan isn't, so reclaiming the top spot is no problemo .
On February 14 2012 21:39 Battleship789 wrote: Is it just me, or did Stats seem to have a really low number of gateway units? Still, wp by Turn. Deep 6 is always fun to watch!
I wouldn't call this a deep 6, and not just because he only had 5rax.
Deep anger build!
Doesn't deep six hit with +1 armor timing on engi bay?
Turn skipped the engi bay and even had delayed range(range didnt finish until he got close to stats his base) meaning the timing hit very early despite the reaver coming out.
That's the point, didn't look like a prepared build at all, more of a "fuck it" plop down 5 rax, an acad and go destroy reaction.
On February 14 2012 21:40 red4ce wrote: KT falling apart in round 3 T_T
Losing twice to the best team is not falling apart
You can call going from beating "the best team" 3-0 without Flash or Stats to going 1-6 in non-Flash matches whatever you want, I'm still gonna QQ about it.
On February 14 2012 21:39 Battleship789 wrote: Is it just me, or did Stats seem to have a really low number of gateway units? Still, wp by Turn. Deep 6 is always fun to watch!
I wouldn't call this a deep 6, and not just because he only had 5rax.
Deep anger build!
Doesn't deep six hit with +1 armor timing on engi bay?
Turn skipped the engi bay and even range(range didnt finish until he got close to stats his base) meaning the timing hit very early despite the reaver coming out.
True true. Probably the reason why he was able to win even though Stats scouted it. Pushing as early as he did meant that Stats didn't have enough time to build up a gateway army or get enough reavers. And Stats made a mistake with his reaver, dropping it where it could be hit by two of the tanks, which allowed Turn to continue to push into Stats' base. I wonder what Stats could have done differently to stop it...
On February 14 2012 21:41 Warfie wrote: Today's immediate post match interviews! Imo it would be cool if we could update these into the OP whenever there's a translator in the chat nice enough, it's awesome for anyone who missed the matches.
Stork Q - hello stork, dt and everythign else all perfecto, last game vs flash your streak broken your pace still alive, congrats Stork - I lost last time so close, I needed to win, I wwanted to face Flash again on this map, so sad could not play him again
Q - last time, flash said protoss cannot block build, is that true Stork - I tried that in practice, it can be blocked (hahahha) as long as I don't get dmg from dropship play it is ezpz, since this is last kt match.. darn could've played him again
Q - ahh I see, will flash continue streak? Stork - I hope he stops here (hahah) hope my teammates can beat him :>
Brave Q - game highlights, you see the proxy 2 gates here.. you know everything about this built, congrats on win Brave - our team is going to be 1st soon..
Flash Q - Flash's bunker, map specs.. bunker hard to do but really, he can do anything, pull 4 marines to push in really, this judgement was crazy, plus sustaining bunker with scv vulture, congrats on win Flash - thank you, rather than my victory I'm happy to bring pace back to KT side
Q - this going in part, really we complimented [ talking about early pressure] Flash - really it didn't work out the way I planned, I saw one vulture and nothing afterwards so this was freestyle Flash - I think both of us did not use our prepared builds (talking about prep build, not using blah blah) Flash - reality with no marine + lift, thats why I got a huge adv
Q - your comments on protoss, did you hear Stork interbiew? Flash - at first I used on stork-hyung, doesn't matter if he can block it afterwards :o
Q - so it doesn't matter finding out a way after losing? huhu
Q- You are approaching the win streak record (15 wins by Gorush) you want itz? Flash - I don't think I can say that for sure, I hope my team wins 3-2 today
On February 14 2012 21:39 Battleship789 wrote: Is it just me, or did Stats seem to have a really low number of gateway units? Still, wp by Turn. Deep 6 is always fun to watch!
I wouldn't call this a deep 6, and not just because he only had 5rax.
Deep anger build!
Doesn't deep six hit with +1 armor timing on engi bay?
Turn skipped the engi bay and even had delayed range(range didnt finish until he got close to stats his base) meaning the timing hit very early despite the reaver coming out.
That's the point, didn't look like a prepared build at all, more of a "fuck it" plop down 5 rax, an acad and go destroy reaction.
TurN probably knows the build was scouted and go ahead with 5 rax timing. Just a guess though.
Such a wicked timing. Even a fast Obs into Reavers was not able to stop it. At this point, this could be a viable build for all Terrans to throw out maybe 20% of the time to keep Protoss guessing and playing safe. It's still a mostly all-in, but why not do this every once in a while? It is surprising to only see one multi-rax game this season so far.
I'm so glad I stayed up for proleague tonight. Action vs Stork, Flash "freestyling" his way to another completely one sided show, then that clever barracks play.
Sayle is going to be thrilled when he rebroadcasts.
On February 14 2012 21:40 red4ce wrote: KT falling apart in round 3 T_T
I think it's just because KT is weak against Khan(see SKT vs STX/Stars). The thing is KT is good against almost everyone they have to face in R3 including CJ, while Khan isn't, so reclaiming the top spot is no problemo .
Hmm.. KT doesn't seem to fair too well vs SKT outside of play-off as well though.
Didn't Reality say in the interview that he is going to face Flash and win him?))) Too bad Flash is the only decent player in KT at the moment. Action has shown terrible game, like most of the zergs this season.
And TURN!!! Before the game I just watched the game between UpMagic and Pusan on HitchHicker, and I was sad that noone plays with marines vs protoss. And when I saw additional 2 barracks I was shocked and amazed! Thank you TuRn!!!
On February 14 2012 22:48 ne4aJIb wrote: Didn't Reality say in the interview that he is going to face Flash and win him?))) Too bad Flash is the only decent player in KT at the moment. Action has shown terrible game, like most of the zergs this season.
And TURN!!! Before the game I just watched the game between UpMagic and Pusan on HitchHicker, and I was sad that noone plays with marines vs protoss. And when I saw additional 2 barracks I was shocked and amazed! Thank you TuRn!!!
action is so overrated. he's bad most of the time. it's just that in the rare occurence that he plays a lot game zvt he shows amazing play. late game zvt i feel is one of his only strong points.
On February 14 2012 22:48 ne4aJIb wrote: Didn't Reality say in the interview that he is going to face Flash and win him?))) Too bad Flash is the only decent player in KT at the moment. Action has shown terrible game, like most of the zergs this season.
And TURN!!! Before the game I just watched the game between UpMagic and Pusan on HitchHicker, and I was sad that noone plays with marines vs protoss. And when I saw additional 2 barracks I was shocked and amazed! Thank you TuRn!!!
action is so overrated. he's bad most of the time. it's just that in the rare occurence that he plays a lot game zvt he shows amazing play. late game zvt i feel is one of his only strong points.
there has to be a reason that action is sent out almost every match. his inhouse matches must be godlike
Lol action is still the punching bag used by everyone. Made one mistake losing all his lings then Stork went for a straight attack.
Brave got pretty lucky with the reaver shots.
Flash... my god what the fuck no one can stop this kid.
Stats man... a bit of a goon slip up and teched a little too hard. His nat building placement was also bad for reaver shots. =( good play by Turn though.
On February 14 2012 22:48 ne4aJIb wrote: Didn't Reality say in the interview that he is going to face Flash and win him?))) Too bad Flash is the only decent player in KT at the moment. Action has shown terrible game, like most of the zergs this season.
And TURN!!! Before the game I just watched the game between UpMagic and Pusan on HitchHicker, and I was sad that noone plays with marines vs protoss. And when I saw additional 2 barracks I was shocked and amazed! Thank you TuRn!!!
action is so overrated. he's bad most of the time. it's just that in the rare occurence that he plays a lot game zvt he shows amazing play. late game zvt i feel is one of his only strong points.
there has to be a reason that action is sent out almost every match. his inhouse matches must be godlike
KT's got a Zerg line of Action, HoeJJa, and Crazy-Hydra. I tend to think CH is the best (or at least most consistent) of those three, but Action's late game really is very good.
On February 15 2012 01:09 pyrogenetix wrote: Lol action is still the punching bag used by everyone. Made one mistake losing all his lings then Stork went for a straight attack.
This is Action's perennial problem, though. He'll randomly lose one group of units here, one group of units there... and then there were none.
I am sure stork would have stopped the MnM given the situation of 2 base and reaver tech. Stats should have pull all the goons to his base and micro better. Turn has amazing micro on small armies that caught him off guard. Perhaps could even flank, reaver at nat goons at other place.
On February 15 2012 01:35 Baddieko wrote: I am sure stork would have stopped the MnM given the situation of 2 base and reaver tech. Stats should have pull all the goons to his base and micro better. Turn has amazing micro on small armies that caught him off guard. Perhaps could even flank, reaver at nat goons at other place.
M&M isn't so easy to stop with reaver/goon, especially when the terran has siege tanks with siege mode. Turn had 5 tanks at least I think? The situation was a lot trickier than you describe it.
Stats' emergency DTs were his best bet, but Turn was prepared for those as well. After they died, Stats had pretty much nothing, and he was in a 3gate vs 5 rax + 1fact position if memory serves me well. Not to mention that he lost a nexus, a gateway and a load of probes as well.
On February 15 2012 01:35 Baddieko wrote: I am sure stork would have stopped the MnM given the situation of 2 base and reaver tech. Stats should have pull all the goons to his base and micro better. Turn has amazing micro on small armies that caught him off guard. Perhaps could even flank, reaver at nat goons at other place.
M&M isn't so easy to stop with reaver/goon, especially when the terran has siege tanks with siege mode. Turn had 5 tanks at least I think? The situation was a lot trickier than you describe it.
Stat's emergency DTs were his best bet, but Turn was prepared for those as well. After they died, stats had pretty much nothing, and he was in a 3gate vs 5 rax + 1fact position if memory serves me well. Not to mention that he lost a nexus, a gateway and a load of probes as well.
Yup, exactly. Five tanks with siege mode was beastly. Stats had to keep his army outside of the base and fall back slowly to force the tanks to siege up 2-3x to buy him enough time to get the reaver out.
Otherwise, Turn would just roll right up to the expo. Five tanks rip down a nexus pretty damn fast. Stats would then either have to give up his expo altogether or push his army through a choke into 5 already sieged tanks backed with stim mnm.
Damn Flash's Streak continues but Khan beats KT again T_T this is pretty crazy stuff, KHAN may have a shot for once in along time to go deep into playoffs.
Didnt watch it live and its prolly good cause it would broke my heart Flash showed another guy who said he will win him his place in the line, Watching those replays i had a feeling that both Wooki and Stats should have defended those pushes if they showed their A micro. gz to Khan but the fight for the 1st place aint over yet!!
Can someone tell me why Action lost like 10 lings to 1 dt when there was no action at all? my D+ opponents losses less o.O?
On February 15 2012 02:15 George_the_man wrote: Didnt watch it live and its prolly good cause it would broke my heart Flash showed another guy who said he will win him his place in the line, Watching those replays i had a feeling that both Wooki and Stats should have defended those pushes if they showed their A micro. gz to Khan but the fight for the 1st place aint over yet!!
Can someone tell me why Action lost like 10 lings to 1 dt when there was no action at all? my D+ opponents losses less o.O?
Whenever a dt 1hits a unit, no alert is given out, its the same reason why zerg and protoss don't notice their drones or probus getting sliced up by dts unless you check it during a macro cycle or hear the sound. No alert is given out if a dt 1hits a zergling either.
Also, Action just seems to die every time or make some crucial mistake that sets him back before he gets to the lategame.
On February 15 2012 01:22 ne4aJIb wrote: I think in Hoejja's interview, he said that Action is KT's Jaedong, beats everyone except Flash. His problem is broadcasted matches.
For interests sake, which interview was this? I would like to read it. I was wondering why action kept getting sent out... I personally think Hoejja is the most clutch of KT's Zergs...
On February 15 2012 02:15 George_the_man wrote: Didnt watch it live and its prolly good cause it would broke my heart Flash showed another guy who said he will win him his place in the line, Watching those replays i had a feeling that both Wooki and Stats should have defended those pushes if they showed their A micro. gz to Khan but the fight for the 1st place aint over yet!!
Can someone tell me why Action lost like 10 lings to 1 dt when there was no action at all? my D+ opponents losses less o.O?
Whenever a dt 1hits a unit, no alert is given out, its the same reason why zerg and protoss don't notice their drones or probus getting sliced up by dts unless you check it during a macro cycle or hear the sound. No alert is given out if a dt 1hits a zergling either.
the point is that it was in the early game where pretty much nothing else was going on so he should have noticed
Turn just sealed his place in my heart. Taking on a beast like Stats and executing so viciously? Boy is scary good. Good on you Khan and grats once more to Turn and Brave for great performances. GG
very entertaining set 4, though i wander why stats didn't hold it.
If you look closely on the way to his base at EACH of 3 tank sieges he lost 2+1+3 goons for almost nothing which is just too much und not necassary (always a few 1/10 seconds late retreat). Also without the early reaver loss would have been much much closer...
On February 15 2012 08:11 eci wrote: very entertaining set 4, though i wander why stats didn't hold it.
If you look closely on the way to his base at EACH of 3 tank sieges he lost 2+1+3 goons for almost nothing which is just too much und not necassary (always a few 1/10 seconds late retreat). Also without the early reaver loss would have been much much closer...
He had to delay the push, if it arrives ealier than the reaver out, he has even less chance to hold
On February 15 2012 08:11 eci wrote: very entertaining set 4, though i wander why stats didn't hold it.
If you look closely on the way to his base at EACH of 3 tank sieges he lost 2+1+3 goons for almost nothing which is just too much und not necassary (always a few 1/10 seconds late retreat). Also without the early reaver loss would have been much much closer...
He had to delay the push, if it arrives ealier than the reaver out, he has even less chance to hold
+ He doesn't have Stork's shuttle micro. If it was Stork piloting it, the Reaver will probably stay alive for a much longer period.
Flash is too good. He's the methodical serial killer who never lets up or gives his opponents any chance of redemption. I really doubt anyone can beat Flash this season except by luck.
That said, Turn is a rising star, just like Hon_sin. I see neither of them having any chance of claiming Flash's throne though.
On February 18 2012 03:08 WaterTower wrote: Flash is too good. He's the methodical serial killer who never lets up or gives his opponents any chance of redemption. I really doubt anyone can beat Flash this season except by luck.
That said, Turn is a rising star, just like Hon_sin. I see neither of them having any chance of claiming Flash's throne though.
Opening 1rax FE 1fac into MnM will become more popular i think... it's versatile as well as strong for a quick push as shown here. Consider that he'd be ahead economically from it anyway and that it's free to go multiple routes after; heavier upgraded MnM/bunkers and a later strong single push; build more facs and get a more varied unit combo that's harder to respond to; get a starport and MnM drop if the map is suitable or maps/situations where P can hold chokes/ramps easier; expand again and do any/all of the above slightly later. 2 academies makes your detection and scouting excellent for responding to the some of the obvious things P can do to hard-counter, leaving them with not much choice but to try and fight a more cost-effective army head-on.
On February 18 2012 22:21 infinity2k9 wrote: Opening 1rax FE 1fac into MnM will become more popular i think... it's versatile as well as strong for a quick push as shown here. Consider that he'd be ahead economically from it anyway and that it's free to go multiple routes after; heavier upgraded MnM/bunkers and a later strong single push; build more facs and get a more varied unit combo that's harder to respond to; get a starport and MnM drop if the map is suitable or maps/situations where P can hold chokes/ramps easier; expand again and do any/all of the above slightly later. 2 academies makes your detection and scouting excellent for responding to the some of the obvious things P can do to hard-counter, leaving them with not much choice but to try and fight a more cost-effective army head-on.
Reavers.
To be quite honest if Stats had gotten two shots instead of one (killing all the MnM + damaging tanks enough) from that reaver before he went towards the tanks and landed it in the middle of the army (and maybe had had 2 more zealots), TurN would have been completely screwed.
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