On December 28 2011 18:41 jaQi wrote: This feels absolutely wrong, Bogus had deserved the win
Explain to me how Bogus deserved the win.
He played his guts out despite being at a disadvantage THE WHOLE GAME.
He could've gg'ed at least twice earlier, but made an epic game out of it and almost pulled it off.
how did he get the disadvantage in the first place? did kespa give stats a handicap? stats completely outplayed him in the early game and then threw away units in the midgame. bogus defended well, but his decision making was questionable many times.
On December 28 2011 18:41 jaQi wrote: This feels absolutely wrong, Bogus had deserved the win
Explain to me how Bogus deserved the win.
He played his guts out despite being at a disadvantage THE WHOLE GAME.
He could've gg'ed at least twice earlier, but made an epic game out of it and almost pulled it off.
So why should Stats lose after playing well enough to get the advantage? Bogus wasn't as good today, so he lost. I don't get the argument "Bogus tried really hard!" Do you think Stats was half-assing it?
On December 28 2011 18:46 Lightwip wrote: What happened, STX? Where are all those cheeses and timing pushes that carried you through vs SKT? Where did they go?
Considering the map statistics (& opponent), Bogus played fantastic. However, he didn't "deserve" the win. He had an extremely close comeback, but Stats won in the end...you don't "deserve" the win unless you outplayed your opponent, which is clearly not the case here. You don't outplay your opponent and lose
Lol what is this about someone 'deserving' to win. Unless you win a game because your opponent typed pp, the player who won deserved the win. Bogus thoroughly outplayed Stats in the midgame, but that doesn't make up for Stats crushing Bogus in the early game and outmaneuvering Bogus at the end.
Let's not get into a "who deserved to win" derp argument. It's a waste of time. That was a great game, go watch it again. Should be up on esportstv pretty quick.
Bogus lost that game eventually due to no recall defense at his main, however he played a pretty good game and I am almost certain that he is one of the best TvP's except for Fantasy and Flash.
how the hell does this thread turn so bitter so quickly after such a good game? could you all shut the hell up about who deserved the win, what a stupid damn word, and talk about how fucking well both of those players played?
On December 28 2011 18:47 Kipsate wrote: Bogus lost that game eventually due to no recall defense at his main, however he played a pretty good game and I am almost certain that he is one of the best TvP's except for Fantasy and Flash.
Agree completely. He's only behind fantasy and Flash IMO.
On December 28 2011 18:48 o[twist] wrote: how the hell does this thread turn so bitter so quickly after such a good game? could you all shut the hell up about who deserved the win, what a stupid damn word, and talk about how fucking well both of those players played?
For me Bogus played better, the early aggression by Stats threw Bogus far behind, Stats got arbiter big army and Bogus defended that really sick with his few tanks and sacrificed many scv's, but this defend was really impressive. Then he had to struggle on one base and all the time I thought he is dead and will lose this game, but he showed a big heart and great skill. Stats should have won the game earlier, also his DT's at the beginning were absolutely senseless, he was building an arbiter anyway.
Concluding: I think he deserves the win more, because he impressed me more, with staying alive while I thought he was dead all the time.
edit: Before I forget this, of course I voted YES !! Nevertheless it was a really really sick game!!! By both of them, I just wished the outcome was another.
On December 28 2011 18:47 Kipsate wrote: Bogus lost that game eventually due to no recall defense at his main, however he played a pretty good game and I am almost certain that he is one of the best TvP's except for Fantasy and Flash.
When those mines inexplicably didn't kill everything (as always happens to me, and, well, almost every recall I've ever seen), I knew that it was bad news bears. One of those "if only..." that would have certainly handed Bogus a huge advantage. He had a passable defense, something that works most of the time, even without turrets.