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On October 14 2011 15:13 LastOfADyingBreed wrote:
I'm not condoning any of the dramatics since all of these corrupt players/teams have their share of abuse and hypocrisy, but the underlying question is this: Would Scan abuse in a Money Tour that he (as himself) is allowed to play? If so, in what ways and why? I think this tournament seems dandy and ran fine as is. Just because the organizer isn't actively posting doesn't harness anything bad. The derailing shows a lot of true colors though.
False. He abused in the $250 Defiler TvZ tournament in which he was invited to, and in #26. More importantly, TSL2? He wasn't banned from either of those. Defiler #26 was 2-3 weeks ago. The amount of forgiveness that is being provided for 4 years of consecutive cheating is astounding to say the least. He's even permanently banned from TeamLiquid... and for BW players, you can count those people on your 2 hands.
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On October 14 2011 10:47 Eywa- wrote:
It's not derailing the thread, its called, if you give away sponsor money to abusers, who's going to want to sponsor?
Apparently there already is a sponsor, and contrary to popular belief not every tour has to be done by you or Game. It is just not your tournament. Nor does it need your judgement all over it. Again. And again. I'd be really greatful if you just let it go next time, before you blow it way out of your proportion again, like you did with eNoir.
You people don't seem to get that you bomb an already running event with your bullshit all over something that could actually turn out nice. Anyway, THANK YOU again for the show.
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i totally agree that Scan should be banned from all tours cause he has been cheating in 4,5 tours past few years, but on the other side why noone complain about LRM)game playing UEDGaming KOTH, i mean hes been cheating in whole season of CL (10cws or maybe more ) and in playoffsfinals, try steal joekims money, and other shit ...
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On October 14 2011 19:14 dsaqwe. wrote:
i totally agree that Scan should be banned from all tours cause he has been cheating in 4,5 tours past few years, but on the other side why noone complain about LRM)game playing UEDGaming KOTH, i mean hes been cheating in whole season of CL (10cws or maybe more ) and in playoffsfinals, try steal joekims money, and other shit ...
Well, lovely, intelligent friend posting in the absolute inappropriate thread, you are Croatian. As you are a Croatian, Scan is an abuser. Both of these things are proven facts. I, on the other hand, am the Loch Ness Monster. A few people that only the naive believe say they've seen it, and it's factual, and can describe without flaw the details of it's being. But in reality, the interpretation of fairy tales, especially those that have been scientifically and physically exposed as myths, are left up to the masses.
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As far as this tournament goes... I predict  Sziky vs  Scan on one side, and TerrOr vs Bakuryu on the other side.
Edit: Although.. I think Bakuryu is the only one who could run into serious trouble in his group, Tama afaik has been practicing quite hard as of late.
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
I didn't see anything except drama here. Especially not a link to the game VOD/replay where Scan has abused.... -_____- Nice internet tradition not to give factial answers but instead promote dramas. X_x
How can Scan abuse in a tournament where 1) there is no ladder (so he can't ladder abuse), 2) he plays under his own name, and all 15 other players are supposed to play so he cannot "play against himself".
Still no facts of an in-game abuse like map-hack, match fixing, or etc...
I know Scan is a rather BM person, and so on. But he is good player, and he seems to admit his abuse facts, so... I'd give him chance to play in this tournament if I were the organizer (though, Olsior seems to do this, too  ).
And the last. IMHO - different organizers = different rules. I see this ok if Scan can't play in LRM tours, but for sc2tv's ones its perfectly ok to let him play. If he for some moment abuses there, too - I think then sc2tv bans him from their tournaments too. But while he didn't why raise this question?? It's just a prejudice towards a person, I don't think this is good.
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measured on weekdays to play? im working october 18th 22.00 cet----06.00cet\week
measured on the weekend?t.t
scan is a good player or hacker? make a couple of years ago banned the TSL (map hacking), and later turned out to be more games and others like to use cw's study is all a long time. Then, we will continue to be lost when the old admins without having to return to continue.
In addition, bm, abuser, and fake progamer and fake semi pro lol . so yes im very happy for scan play
oyeeeeeeeee np I beat hackers already, do it now again.
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On October 14 2011 21:24 sas.Sziky wrote:
measured on weekdays to play? im working october 18th 22.00 cet----06.00cet\week
measured on the weekend?t.t
scan is a good player or hacker? make a couple of years ago banned the TSL (map hacking), and later turned out to be more games and others like to use cw's study is all a long time. Then, we will continue to be lost when the old admins without having to return to continue.
In addition, bm, abuser, and fake progamer and fake semi pro lol . so yes im very happy for scan play
oyeeeeeeeee np I beat hackers already, do it now again.
Holy lol!
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i cant wait for sziky vs scan lol^^ gogo:D
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On October 14 2011 21:24 sas.Sziky wrote:
measured on weekdays to play? im working october 18th 22.00 cet----06.00cet\week
measured on the weekend?t.t
scan is a good player or hacker? make a couple of years ago banned the TSL (map hacking), and later turned out to be more games and others like to use cw's study is all a long time. Then, we will continue to be lost when the old admins without having to return to continue.
In addition, bm, abuser, and fake progamer and fake semi pro lol . so yes im very happy for scan play
oyeeeeeeeee np I beat hackers already, do it now again.
yeah and my name is Steve job
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On October 14 2011 19:22 Game wrote:As far as this tournament goes... I predict Sziky vs Scan on one side, and TerrOr vs Bakuryu on the other side. Edit: Although.. I think Bakuryu is the only one who could run into serious trouble in his group, Tama afaik has been practicing quite hard as of late.
If I can beat Tama ZvP, baku can do it easily.
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On October 02 2011 19:24 JoeKim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 18:37 Game wrote:
Scan:
[*] Cheats in every major tournament for 3 1/2 years and has done nothing to contribute to the community.
Game:
[*] Create a team while the foreign BW scene is dying and iCCupCL is having trouble fielding any division.
[*] Monopolize the team and win 3 championships consecutively without cheating.
[*] Organize, host, and get every major tournament sponsored, keeping foreign BW alive for the past year or so.
[*] Get IPBanned from iCCup the 1st time (yes it happened 2 times)
[*] Get taught how to cheat by JoeKim. Get supplied admin account by JoeKim.
[*] The most active/probably my best 3 players quit BW.
[*] Begin to cheat realizing that the foreign team scene if to ever survive, and iCCupCL itself, needs to have a team that reigns over all others so there is a motivation for players to create megateams to keep the scene alive and interesting in order to beat us.
[*] Win a 4th championship.
[*] Feel guilty, retire from the operations of LRM) and leading it.
Another accurate statement sir, it's almost as if they are never ending. You guys sure love your drama.
At first I wasn't going to reply to a post that consisted of primarily lies, half truths, and a lot of edited text which makes things look out of context. But, you guys seem to not be able to understand that my integrity has not been compromised (and never will be) by cheating in a league I was banned from unjustly. If I was as cowardice and abusive as you all say, I promise you I would not only run away with the ISL2 money, but would not have organized so many tournaments and wasted so much of my life keeping the scene that I love alive.
So if this is your thanks, I'll accept it.
I don't really feel the need to apologize other than to the teams that we beat last season, but I'm quite sure we would've won the last championship and had the a majority of the same results anyway. Team Noobs, while a good rival, couldn't even field a team last iCCupCL championship and had to use 2v2 players for 1v1. The reason I don't feel the need for an apology is that my intentions were benevolent.
Also, a TL admin told me if I make a proper response to JoeKim that I'd be banned. Ironic, because he wasn't banned. Moreover, I shall not expose his lies, or make a dramatic blog about it where I conjure up anything to make myself look better, nor will I spam every single website possible.
The end. Scan was caught with one offense (TSL2 giving free wins to Mercury for money). You've had a personal vendetta against him which is also evident in my "edited" Skype logs. You tell everyone that he stream cheated in ISL1, which is why he was banned from ISL2. Scan recorded his ISL1 games with FPVOD, which provide all of his sounds and all of his clicks. He's banned for trying to smurf and qualify for ISL2 Preventing him from playing in any of your Prize Tournaments "forced" him to smurf/share accounts to ultimately win money. Hence, the domino effect takes place. Scan can't play because he's Korean What are SL]..Bibiane- & Michael(OD) Nobody is questioning your contributions, many people including myself have already expressed the gratitude. This downfall drama weighs more with you than with me since I have nothing to lose. There is no reason for me to "lie" or "edit" the truth, when I can just copy/paste the Skype logs, which is what I did. Sure, blame me for "teaching" you how to cheat because you're taking me down with you, right I already dwell at the bottom and apologized to numerous players/managers that have been hit by the recoil from the abuse. You never felt guilty, you never retired. That emotion and the essence of that word doesn't exist with you. You've always had your fingerprints all over LRM. Being banned from iCCup site/server never prevented you from managing your team. Yes, you could have ran away with the sponsors' money in both ISL1 and ISL2, but you chose not to. No one in their right mind would slump that low to steal people's money. Oh but wait, you would bet against me for $150 in an ISL2 match where you already knew the results then lie that it was played the day before Ro16 "after" we made our bet...when the players actually played on Tuesday and you told Bakuryu to referee it on Tuesday. "No matter what happens on that note, I still think u trust me and I still trust u" -LRM)Game The last time you asked me to abuse for you (LRM) was a couple of weeks ago, yet that's so far in the past right Yeah, I should definitely rehabilitate and fabricate new falsities to point out what kind of abuse was caught in Gambit Cup. Anyone with a brain knows that you're a puppeteer that does whatever he can to get the upper hand. The premise of Gambit Cup was solid, and I was aware that it would flourish when I came up with the idea. 80% of the success rate goes to Sayle's casting, 20% goes to your guidance to Eywa since he is inexperienced and clueless about operations. He was a quick learner though I swear, I'll be damned if he never showed favoritism, hand in hand with doing favors as a puppet. This is not off-topic since it reveals insight of treachery for your future opponents and potential predecessing seasons. Maybe you should post a blog to defend yourself, Dave. Then you can attempt to show everyone what I "edited" because I know what I took out (personal information on others uninvolved with us + insignificant logs). Or you could keep modding/deleting/banning me from posting on streams and forums. I'll go screenshot by screenshot. At least you're sort of admitting to some of the cheating now.
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On October 14 2011 19:19 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 19:14 dsaqwe. wrote:
i totally agree that Scan should be banned from all tours cause he has been cheating in 4,5 tours past few years, but on the other side why noone complain about LRM)game playing UEDGaming KOTH, i mean hes been cheating in whole season of CL (10cws or maybe more ) and in playoffsfinals, try steal joekims money, and other shit ... Well, lovely, intelligent friend posting in the absolute inappropriate thread, you are Croatian. As you are a Croatian, Scan is an abuser. Both of these things are proven facts. I, on the other hand, am the Loch Ness Monster. A few people that only the naive believe say they've seen it, and it's factual, and can describe without flaw the details of it's being. But in reality, the interpretation of fairy tales, especially those that have been scientifically and physically exposed as myths, are left up to the masses.
Can you pleaseeeee stop trying to play the innocent role? You're a good organizer, sure, but you've abused as well. You got Scan and Joekim banned from TL for protesting against you. Now you revert to all the evidence as false myths? Dude, anyone who almost gets their money stolen from them in a scam by their trusted buddy would flip out. You and your disciples are the ones stirring up this drama by trying to get Scan banned with weak basis.
Why do you worry about the speck of dust in another's eye, when you have a plank of wood in yours?
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On October 15 2011 03:58 LastOfADyingBreed wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 19:19 Game wrote:On October 14 2011 19:14 dsaqwe. wrote:
i totally agree that Scan should be banned from all tours cause he has been cheating in 4,5 tours past few years, but on the other side why noone complain about LRM)game playing UEDGaming KOTH, i mean hes been cheating in whole season of CL (10cws or maybe more ) and in playoffsfinals, try steal joekims money, and other shit ... Well, lovely, intelligent friend posting in the absolute inappropriate thread, you are Croatian. As you are a Croatian, Scan is an abuser. Both of these things are proven facts. I, on the other hand, am the Loch Ness Monster. A few people that only the naive believe say they've seen it, and it's factual, and can describe without flaw the details of it's being. But in reality, the interpretation of fairy tales, especially those that have been scientifically and physically exposed as myths, are left up to the masses. Can you pleaseeeee stop trying to play the innocent role? You're a good organizer, sure, but you've abused as well. You got Scan and Joekim banned from TL for protesting against you. Now you revert to all the evidence as false myths? Dude, anyone who almost gets their money stolen from them in a scam by their trusted buddy would flip out. You and your disciples are the ones stirring up this drama by trying to get Scan banned with weak basis. Why do you worry about the speck of dust in another's eye, when you have a plank of wood in yours?
Anyone who has ever appreciated anything LRM)Game has done, or has helped LRM)Game on a project, or has had the same opinion as LRM)Game at any given point of time is a disciple of LRM)Game!
LRM)Game is a god, we worship him as such, Scan has sinned and therefore must be cast out from our realm.
^ Also why nOoNe quit BW -- He's Game's disciple and must obey.
So, on a more serious note, no one posts here because they want to raise Game's voice for him, he's shown on many occasions that he can do that himself. People just honestly believe that a repeat abuser(What is it now, 6 times?) should be banned from all tournaments(Shoker! I didn't expect this) because if he isn't then he'll keep abusing because of no apparent punishment. So, you can keep talking about how Game is a god and we all bow down to him, or you can accept that there are actually people other than Game who actually don't like Scan because of his repeat abuse.
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This whole discussion is just so old...
I hope this tournament produces the quality of games that it can. GL
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On October 17 2011 07:34 ImbaTosS wrote:
This whole discussion is just so old...
I hope this tournament produces the quality of games that it can. GL
I am cheering for + Show Spoiler +
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red points for Eywa!
btw when will it casted? i'm not sure of the date of this, cuz they changed the match times on ggnet.
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If you look at op, you will see why I changed times on ggnet 
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ah i'm really sorry that it won't be tonight
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I try to contact you but you don't answer me back . I pm you here also.
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