Kaal's International Starleague leaves the Round of 64 over and done. There were many good matches, and whereas great players like Sziky, GoD, Kolll and fan favorites like Shauni and Bakuryu have advanced, we also leave behind the fallen in Whistler, Karate, LML, as well as invite AlfiO and Game's favourite MaD[AoV]. If you have missed any of the action ("the action" being Sayle's 12 hour long cast (!)) check out many of the VODs on:
On Saturday (September 10th, 19:00 CEST - 17:00 GMT (+00:00)) we bounce right into the Round of 32. The cast, as always, will be provided Sayle and EleGant, as we course through 16 Best of Fives, all with a spot for the next round at stake.
Ro16 // Best of 5 // 2 Set Maps Start: Match Point, Empire of the Sun Pick from: Destination 1.1, Circuit Breaker, Neo Aztec, HBR
Ro8// Best of 5 // 3 Set Maps Start: HBR, Neo Aztec, Wuthering Heights Pick from: Longinus 2, Neo Beltway, Fighting Spirit
Semis // Best of 7 // 3 Set Maps Start: Fighting Spirit, Longinus 2, Neo Beltway Pick from: Rush Hour III, Wuthering Heights, La Mancha, Sin Peaks of Baekdu, Destination 1.1
Finals // Best of 7 // 3 Set Maps Start: Destination 1.1, Rush Hour III, Colosseum II Pick from: Sin Peaks of Baekdu, La Mancha, Othello, Tau Cross 1.1, Blue Storm, Holy World SE, Icarus, Neo Beltway
The games will start on September 3rd at 19:00 CET (18:00 GMT (+00:00) local time). Games will be played on the Fish server, rendez-vous channel is OP ISL2
There are enough matches to look out for. Sziky vs Octzerg has two top foreign zergs facing off, Michael(OD) takes on Australian streaming hero GoD, Ace the SniperZerg got a BYE against Ramms, but now has to prove his skill in the fickle ZvZ matchup against DeSka, and in Kolll vs CastrO we have two more foreign legends with one doomed to elimination. Here are Game's thoughts on the Round of 32:
Game said: OctZerg vs Sziky can be a tournament changing match. With the given luck addition to ZvZ, both are great players and both could easily make it to the finals. andrey + SzajnA are both weak TvT but strong players, so it will be interesting. Pro7ecT will have his first test after winning the last defiler tournament by playing a Shauni-esque opponent. Michael and GoD is by far the 3rd best match after OctZerg + Sziky and Ace + DeSka, but most likely will provide the most entertainment due to not being ZvZ. PatrrOn vs TerrOr will ultimately decide who the king of South America is. Ace and DeSka was the semifinals match last ISL, a nice repeat so early in the tournament. And I'm sure people can't wait to see what kind of play Plumbum will pull out to defeat such a mechanical monster like dsaqwe. Last but not least, TechnicS and Kashu are both crowd favorites who can deliver compelling play and ultimately the most likely surprising series. Game: With so little TvZ, the imbalance of Empire of the Sun becomes null. However, it might make for a fair 3rd or 4th game in Kashu vs TechnicS. Other than that, Icarus with all of these mirror matchups can only enhance Shauni + Pro7ecT, SneazeL + trutaCz, possibly Bakuryu's, and Kashu + TechnicS's series.
Need more hype? Scoot over to Hacklebeast's interviews to get to know some of these players a bit better!
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You must use chaoslauncher for 1.16.1 or MiniLauncher for every group stage and tournament game on Fish server.
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No hacking or abusing. This is very very basic. No multiple or shared accounts. No letting other players on your accounts. No taking free wins from friends. No selling wins. No playing against your own account. If suspected of abuse, failure to comply with ISL2 staff will result in a disqualification from the tournament.
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All games must be played on /dnd mode. You cannot use the same map twice.
Anything a referee tells you during the proceedings of the matches goes; be very attentive to the rules they announce per week. Additionally, rules might have slight alterations throughout the entirety of the tournament.
Scouting via gases, observers over turrets, hold position lurkers, all variations of legal play are allowed.
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There will be NO official referees for the Round of 32.
It's pretty simple actually. We do have one person who can be there, but not officially. Aside from that - if you are playing - follow these steps and you should be fine.
Obviously follow the tournament rules. Listen to Sayle before anyone starts their matches so he can start casting a match before the replays start being sent in. Michael + GoD and SneazeL + trutaCz you can't start your match until Sayle tests lag with either one of you, and then once he confirms, the other two can start.
The winner of each match must submit all of the replays, wins AND losses. Upload all of the replays to sendspace.com and then e-mail the link to isl2replays@gmail.comlike you have been doing the entire tournament, but with more emphasis on 100% of the replays being uploaded to sendspace.
If there are any major issues, they will be dealt with later on in the day or the next day. Save all SS's if you run into an issue so you have a side to your case besides he said, she said.
The reason that there will be no referees is that all of us learned on the same day, roughly around the same time, that we have very important events in our life that need attention far worse than our e-lives. I apologize on behalf of all of the ISL2 staff for this inconvenience, but it's a necessity. The person who will most likely be back from his event first is JoeKim. Hope for the best.
Bumping this thread because it deserves it. Predicting all polish players(obviously except for one from truetouch vs Sneazel) to pass, and expecting great plays from these MUs:
CastrO vs Kolll
MICHAEL VS GOD that's right, capital fucking letters MU
What is "Scouting via gases"? Is it where you spam your worker to a gas geyser then shift click into the opponent's base to go through his unit(s) blocking ramp? Because that move is illegal everywhere.
On September 08 2011 06:35 andreyyisbestandrey wrote: What is "Scouting via gases"? Is it where you spam your worker to a gas geyser then shift click into the opponent's base to go through his unit(s) blocking ramp? Because that move is illegal everywhere.
Glad so many Terrans made it through considering how few they were in comparison to Ps and Zs earlier. It's unfortunate that there are 3 TvTs in this round though.
How come in the OP bracket Ruarc is T but in the predicts he's Z, does he race switch or something? Also, you gotta stop predicting against me cause you'll continually be wrong.
@Ruarc, where do you reside???????? reply @ TL.net // iccup.com please
On September 08 2011 08:21 dRaW wrote: How come in the OP bracket Ruarc is T but in the predicts he's Z, does he race switch or something? Also, you gotta stop predicting against me cause you'll continually be wrong.
@Ruarc, where do you reside???????? reply @ TL.net // iccup.com please
Simple typo. He's a Z player. Beyond that, I don't have to stop predicting against you whether I'm right or wrong. I believe what I believe, but thank you for your Christian opinion. + Show Spoiler +
That what I believe is wrong in your eyes, therefore I must not believe it.
On September 08 2011 06:35 andreyyisbestandrey wrote: What is "Scouting via gases"? Is it where you spam your worker to a gas geyser then shift click into the opponent's base to go through his unit(s) blocking ramp? Because that move is illegal everywhere.
welcome back, let's not get banned this time. you have skype or msn or sth like that I can reach you other than TL?
Can't F*cking wait, this is so F*cking awesome.. Absof*ckinglotely .
And for all players.. Please... Guys u play for money here and is Ro32.. I DONT want to see in game chat.. Uhm.. hey.. are we bo3?.. hey what's next map.... how u doing... ; NO! WE Do not wanna see that type of chat.. we Want to feel your excidiment we want too see you fighting for the money.. wanna see ur good play.. YEY Go-GO-GO.. 10x for the tournament. All of ALL - HAVE FUN GOOD LUCK HAVE BEST TIME EnJOY
On September 08 2011 09:59 Modesty00 wrote: Can't F*cking wait, this is so F*cking awesome.. Absof*ckinglotely .
And for all players.. Please... Guys u play for money here and is Ro32.. I DONT want to see in game chat.. Uhm.. hey.. are we bo3?.. hey what's next map.... how u doing... ; NO! WE Do not wanna see that type of chat.. we Want to feel your excidiment we want too see you fighting for the money.. wanna see ur good play.. YEY Go-GO-GO.. 10x for the tournament. All of ALL - HAVE FUN GOOD LUCK HAVE BEST TIME EnJOY
This post about being hyped just hyped me up >< wtf!
looking forward to watching the ro32, even though im still bitter im not in it.
Dave i donno why you think octzerg has a good chance of beating sziky, much less winning the entire tournament, but imo whoever advances from that first "bracket" (sziky astro oct pro7ect etc..) will win the tournament, unless stopped by pike or kolll.
rooting for zaraki/dsaqwe/jumper/god/astro and all LRM members! and for whoever to advance to make the semis/finals not all zvzs, fuck why so many zergs lol
On September 08 2011 10:31 FyRe_DragOn wrote: looking forward to watching the ro32, even though im still bitter im not in it.
Dave i donno why you think octzerg has a good chance of beating sziky, much less winning the entire tournament, but imo whoever advances from that first "bracket" (sziky astro oct pro7ect etc..) will win the tournament, unless stopped by pike or kolll.
rooting for zaraki/dsaqwe/jumper/god/astro and all LRM members! and for whoever to advance to make the semis/finals not all zvzs, fuck why so many zergs lol
Have faith young padawon, do look up OctZerg's past results and take into consideration he was the first person to A+ in TSL2. By far one of the strongest players left in this tournament.
On September 08 2011 10:31 FyRe_DragOn wrote: looking forward to watching the ro32, even though im still bitter im not in it.
Dave i donno why you think octzerg has a good chance of beating sziky, much less winning the entire tournament, but imo whoever advances from that first "bracket" (sziky astro oct pro7ect etc..) will win the tournament, unless stopped by pike or kolll.
rooting for zaraki/dsaqwe/jumper/god/astro and all LRM members! and for whoever to advance to make the semis/finals not all zvzs, fuck why so many zergs lol
Have faith young padawon, do look up OctZerg's past results and take into consideration he was the first person to A+ in TSL2. By far one of the strongest players left in this tournament.
morrow got A+ too with similar strategies, both were eliminated from the TSL asaply as far as i can remember.
On September 08 2011 10:31 FyRe_DragOn wrote: looking forward to watching the ro32, even though im still bitter im not in it.
Dave i donno why you think octzerg has a good chance of beating sziky, much less winning the entire tournament, but imo whoever advances from that first "bracket" (sziky astro oct pro7ect etc..) will win the tournament, unless stopped by pike or kolll.
rooting for zaraki/dsaqwe/jumper/god/astro and all LRM members! and for whoever to advance to make the semis/finals not all zvzs, fuck why so many zergs lol
Have faith young padawon, do look up OctZerg's past results and take into consideration he was the first person to A+ in TSL2. By far one of the strongest players left in this tournament.
morrow got A+ too with similar strategies, both were eliminated from the TSL asaply as far as i can remember.
The person who eliminated Morrow was much worse than the person who eliminated OctZerg. Despite that, OctZerg was the first to A+, MorroW got to A when worse people got higher ranks and then played D players until he got A+ from mid-A.... c'mon, bad comparison imo.
On September 08 2011 10:31 FyRe_DragOn wrote: looking forward to watching the ro32, even though im still bitter im not in it.
Dave i donno why you think octzerg has a good chance of beating sziky, much less winning the entire tournament, but imo whoever advances from that first "bracket" (sziky astro oct pro7ect etc..) will win the tournament, unless stopped by pike or kolll.
rooting for zaraki/dsaqwe/jumper/god/astro and all LRM members! and for whoever to advance to make the semis/finals not all zvzs, fuck why so many zergs lol
Can someone please tell me more about Szajna, Shauni, Pike, and Technics? Szajna rings a bell, but I can't remember his aka's or what he is known for. Pike is supposedly really good at ZvZ, right? What is Technics known for?
Also, Ruarc plays Z 1v1 and which race 2v2? He is quite the monster 1v1 and 2v2 !. Thanks in advance! I am going to try to watch every single game of this ro32!!
szajna = beamface, polish terran known for some pretty funny bm plays in past tournaments and good use of dropship harassment.
shauni = oldschool swedish toss, known for using some inventive builds and doing showmatches etc
pike = oldschool polish zerg, placed high in WCG poland (more than once?) and generally a top level player for a long time, one of the favorites to win the tournament i think.
Technics im not sure about, i thouht he was a cheesy protoss user but maybe im confusing him with some1 else, because his icon is zerg o.o
On September 08 2011 12:33 FyRe_DragOn wrote: szajna = beamface, polish terran known for some pretty funny bm plays in past tournaments and good use of dropship harassment.
shauni = oldschool swedish toss, known for using some inventive builds and doing showmatches etc
pike = oldschool polish zerg, placed high in WCG poland (more than once?) and generally a top level player for a long time, one of the favorites to win the tournament i think.
Technics im not sure about, i thouht he was a cheesy protoss user but maybe im confusing him with some1 else, because his icon is zerg o.o
TechnicS = #1 or #2 player from Bulgaria ever. Most will say Lamer, but TechnicS did a lot more for a lot longer than him.
does he racepick or all zerg? cuz i remember playing some bulgarian who i thouht was him a long time ago zvp (him p) and he cannon rushed/proxied/made secret expos every game
On September 08 2011 14:11 FyRe_DragOn wrote: does he racepick or all zerg? cuz i remember playing some bulgarian who i thouht was him a long time ago zvp (him p) and he cannon rushed/proxied/made secret expos every game
@joekim I have moved some stuff around and I have about 1 hr to win a bo5, so you prolly going to have to adjust your odds now. [/QUOTE] So I need to switch my match with Ruarc but no1 seems to know him or his contact information. I really don't want to get DQd but I can't play @ the time on saturday (can play earlier that day or on another day)... What's going to happen? I assume he will take WO if he's given the chance
PM me on TL, MSN, Skype, Facebook (My bookings are done through PayPal & WebMoney)
Gonna try to get money back?^^
@joekim I have moved some stuff around and I have about 1 hr to win a bo5, so you prolly going to have to adjust your odds now.
I'd love to see him wait for every building to be killed whenever he loses
On September 09 2011 20:27 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
@joekim I have moved some stuff around and I have about 1 hr to win a bo5, so you prolly going to have to adjust your odds now.
So I need to switch my match with Ruarc but no1 seems to know him or his contact information. I really don't want to get DQd but I can't play @ the time on saturday (can play earlier that day or on another day)... What's going to happen? I assume he will take WO if he's given the chance
why the fish dies? by mouth
take care kc ;D
Yeah I shouldn't have said anything. However, losing ISL in that fashion is not a bad way to go out.
There will be NO official referees for the Round of 32.
It's pretty simple actually. We do have one person who can be there, but not officially. Aside from that - if you are playing - follow these steps and you should be fine.
Obviously follow the tournament rules. Listen to Sayle before anyone starts their matches so he can start casting a match before the replays start being sent in. Michael + GoD and SneazeL + trutaCz you can't start your match until Sayle tests lag with either one of you, and then once he confirms, the other two can start.
The winner of each match must submit all of the replays, wins AND losses. Upload all of the replays to sendspace.com and then e-mail the link to isl2replays@gmail.comlike you have been doing the entire tournament, but with more emphasis on 100% of the replays being uploaded to sendspace.
If there are any major issues, they will be dealt with later on in the day or the next day. Save all SS's if you run into an issue so you have a side to your case besides he said, she said.
The reason that there will be no referees is that all of us learned on the same day, roughly around the same time, that we have very important events in our life that need attention far worse than our e-lives. I apologize on behalf of all of the ISL2 staff for this inconvenience, but it's a necessity. The person who will most likely be back from his event first is JoeKim. Hope for the best.
And since the majority of you I know on a personal basis, I know this is no major hiccup for you and that there's a very low probability that anything will go wrong since you are all experienced tournament and mannered players.
I hope for fast-action-packed games. Cheese/rush go for all in timing agressive style.. Fuck 3 hatch spire, 5 den.. Fuck terrans that stay 15 min do nothing.. Let's make it interresting, lets make it short micro games, Show us that u got brain with some good ideas and build orders in those maps. Why not 2 hatch muta vs fe P? surprise ur enemy make him uncomfortable, make him feell he swim in wrong sea.. Make him loose control. Be A winner - Do Agressive BUild! It's Best of Five - Take risk DO IT. Lets have great day!! GO!
On September 10 2011 23:43 Modesty00 wrote: I hope for fast-action-packed games. Cheese/rush go for all in timing agressive style.. Fuck 3 hatch spire, 5 den.. Fuck terrans that stay 15 min do nothing.. Let's make it interresting, lets make it short micro games, Show us that u got brain with some good ideas and build orders in those maps. Why not 2 hatch muta vs fe P? surprise ur enemy make him uncomfortable, make him feell he swim in wrong sea.. Make him loose control. Be A winner - Do Agressive BUild! It's Best of Five - Take risk DO IT. Lets have great day!! GO!
2 Hatch Muta will not kill a competent FE P. The reason P goes for FE is because its adjustable to defeat any known build a Zerg can possibly throw at a Protoss. Cheeses and rushes don't work as well against higher level players as they do in the D ranks. As players understand the meta games better they learn how to adjust to cheese builds.
On September 11 2011 01:24 Shauni wrote: note to Pro7ecT, im giving walkover. Im sick, can barely get out of bed so I don't want to play in a condition like this
On September 11 2011 01:24 Shauni wrote: note to Pro7ecT, im giving walkover. Im sick, can barely get out of bed so I don't want to play in a condition like this
On September 11 2011 01:24 Shauni wrote: note to Pro7ecT, im giving walkover. Im sick, can barely get out of bed so I don't want to play in a condition like this
ah..that's typical. I was looking forward to your game the most, since it's the only TvP.
On September 11 2011 01:24 Shauni wrote: note to Pro7ecT, im giving walkover. Im sick, can barely get out of bed so I don't want to play in a condition like this
Shauni, you can postpone our game, it should be played until Monday 23:59 EDT, so if you want to do that, PM me. If you don't want, so I accept your fortfeit.
On September 10 2011 23:43 Modesty00 wrote: I hope for fast-action-packed games. Cheese/rush go for all in timing agressive style.. Fuck 3 hatch spire, 5 den.. Fuck terrans that stay 15 min do nothing.. Let's make it interresting, lets make it short micro games, Show us that u got brain with some good ideas and build orders in those maps. Why not 2 hatch muta vs fe P? surprise ur enemy make him uncomfortable, make him feell he swim in wrong sea.. Make him loose control. Be A winner - Do Agressive BUild! It's Best of Five - Take risk DO IT. Lets have great day!! GO!
2 Hatch Muta will not kill a competent FE P. The reason P goes for FE is because its adjustable to defeat any known build a Zerg can possibly throw at a Protoss. Cheeses and rushes don't work as well against higher level players as they do in the D ranks. As players understand the meta games better they learn how to adjust to cheese builds.
This is not true - Fe is far away from being perfect build for protos vs zerg - zerg can do so much cheese build orders - is only matter of scouting - if u no scout shanses ur pretty much dead cuz zerg can go muta/ling/hydra/lurk.. so much choice. And you are forgeting something. The element of surprise. When a fe protos see 2hatch play and don't know what is coming they start to play nervous and start making mistakes specially in micro - losing scout probe, first corsair to scourge which is critical, some lonely zeilot, start massive canon build and most of the time they put them selfs in behind by placeing too much canons at front expecting mass lings or too much at expo forgeting key buildings or the mein unprotected for muta/scourge. But yeah in high level the mistakes are not common so that build is not common. They may have weak spot... attack that spot with mutas or make 3rd expo and ur ahead. 2 hatch muta vs fe protos is highy dangerous and hard for zerg to win is the timing/micro and element of surprise that could make you win here. Protos got better shances overall for protect. I even in 1 game destroyed all the mein of the protos (about C/c+ level, so better z than me should do better) and even with 1 base they manage to win cuz i was unsure what to do..
And again most protos fe vs zerg dont expect 2 hatch play.. why dont you make him thing ur all in but ur making hide expo.. Be creative. in most games for zerg the key for succes is deny ur opp scout.
On September 10 2011 23:43 Modesty00 wrote: I hope for fast-action-packed games. Cheese/rush go for all in timing agressive style.. Fuck 3 hatch spire, 5 den.. Fuck terrans that stay 15 min do nothing.. Let's make it interresting, lets make it short micro games, Show us that u got brain with some good ideas and build orders in those maps. Why not 2 hatch muta vs fe P? surprise ur enemy make him uncomfortable, make him feell he swim in wrong sea.. Make him loose control. Be A winner - Do Agressive BUild! It's Best of Five - Take risk DO IT. Lets have great day!! GO!
2 Hatch Muta will not kill a competent FE P. The reason P goes for FE is because its adjustable to defeat any known build a Zerg can possibly throw at a Protoss. Cheeses and rushes don't work as well against higher level players as they do in the D ranks. As players understand the meta games better they learn how to adjust to cheese builds.
This is not true - Fe is far being perfect build for protos vs zerg - zerg can do so much cheese build orders - is only matter of scouting - if u no scout shanses ur pretty much dead cuz zerg can go muta/ling/hydra/lurk.. so much And you are forgeting something. The element of surprise. When a fe protos see 2hatch play and don't know what is coming they start to play nervous and start making mistakes specially in micro - losing scout probe, first corsair to scourge which is critical, some lonely zeilot, start massive canon build and most of the time they put them selfs in behind by placeing too much canons at front expecting mass lings or too much at expo forgeting key buildings or the mein unprotected for muta/scoutge. They definely will have weak spot... attack that spot with mutas or make 3rd expo and ur ahead. 2 hatch muta vs fe protos is highy dangerous and hard for zerg to win is the timing/micro and element of surprise that could make you win here. Protos got better shances overall for protect. I even in 1 game destroyed all the mein of the protos (about C/c+ level, so better z than me should do better) and even with 1 base they manage to win cuz i was unsure what to do..
And again most protos fe vs zerg dont expect 2 hatch play.. why dont you make him thing ur all in but ur making hide expo.. Be creative. in most games for zerg the key for succes is deny ur opp scout.
How can you even suggest a 2 Hatch Muta wouldn't be scouted? First, the Protoss can see the gas timing. And second, the Protoss can see a lack of the third base. And your analysis of getting nervous and not knowing what to do applies to bad players, not good players. If the Zerg goes 2 Hatch all the P has to do is defend and the P wins. Also. C/C+ Protosses barely even understand how to play the early game against standard play, let alone cheese.
On September 10 2011 23:43 Modesty00 wrote: I hope for fast-action-packed games. Cheese/rush go for all in timing agressive style.. Fuck 3 hatch spire, 5 den.. Fuck terrans that stay 15 min do nothing.. Let's make it interresting, lets make it short micro games, Show us that u got brain with some good ideas and build orders in those maps. Why not 2 hatch muta vs fe P? surprise ur enemy make him uncomfortable, make him feell he swim in wrong sea.. Make him loose control. Be A winner - Do Agressive BUild! It's Best of Five - Take risk DO IT. Lets have great day!! GO!
2 Hatch Muta will not kill a competent FE P. The reason P goes for FE is because its adjustable to defeat any known build a Zerg can possibly throw at a Protoss. Cheeses and rushes don't work as well against higher level players as they do in the D ranks. As players understand the meta games better they learn how to adjust to cheese builds.
This is not true - Fe is far being perfect build for protos vs zerg - zerg can do so much cheese build orders - is only matter of scouting - if u no scout shanses ur pretty much dead cuz zerg can go muta/ling/hydra/lurk.. so much And you are forgeting something. The element of surprise. When a fe protos see 2hatch play and don't know what is coming they start to play nervous and start making mistakes specially in micro - losing scout probe, first corsair to scourge which is critical, some lonely zeilot, start massive canon build and most of the time they put them selfs in behind by placeing too much canons at front expecting mass lings or too much at expo forgeting key buildings or the mein unprotected for muta/scoutge. They definely will have weak spot... attack that spot with mutas or make 3rd expo and ur ahead. 2 hatch muta vs fe protos is highy dangerous and hard for zerg to win is the timing/micro and element of surprise that could make you win here. Protos got better shances overall for protect. I even in 1 game destroyed all the mein of the protos (about C/c+ level, so better z than me should do better) and even with 1 base they manage to win cuz i was unsure what to do..
And again most protos fe vs zerg dont expect 2 hatch play.. why dont you make him thing ur all in but ur making hide expo.. Be creative. in most games for zerg the key for succes is deny ur opp scout.
How can you even suggest a 2 Hatch Muta wouldn't be scouted? First, the Protoss can see the gas timing. And second, the Protoss can see a lack of the third base. And your analysis of getting nervous and not knowing what to do applies to bad players, not good players. If the Zerg goes 2 Hatch all the P has to do is defend and the P wins. Also. C/C+ Protosses barely even understand how to play the early game against standard play, let alone cheese.
Yes you can prevent scouting. Block with drone or just make 6 lings and kill it. Is that simple. In maps with choke for 3rd like bloody ridge u can place 2 lings block the ramp and fake 3rd hatch or just dont allow probe to see ur nat expo. im not 100% sure but u can also make speed first and catch all scout probes and zeilots or probably scary protos forcing him 3-4 canons at front.. Yes i can talk about c/c+ protos cuz im that level z, but also my timing and speed is not perfect so better zerg would do it better. Also yes as i said this build is very risky and need good micro and should be done only becouse protoss didn expect it and for perfect surprise cuz is very rare.
On September 11 2011 02:51 Cryoc wrote: I can't seem to join fish anymore. I played one game so far. Could the other games played on another server?
I wasn't here for this, as posted earlier in the thread. Honestly, Pike has the right to take the W.O given the base server of the tournament, but I'm going to ask him if he will continue playing you and maybe arrange a date.
I've sent already msg to Cryoc that i can finish our games today or tomorrow. Then i'm going once again to Wroclaw searching a flat so i'll be offline probably till friday : /
Man Zaraki should be so sad... What a shame.. bad micro at the end and making too much drones lol.. after he losed the mutas he imidiately needed spore what is he thinking.. so much drones and min he got...
On September 12 2011 01:07 Modesty00 wrote: Man Zaraki should be so sad... What a shame.. bad micro at the end and making too much drones lol.. after he losed the mutas he imidiately needed spore what is he thinking.. so much drones and min he got...
Yeah, he is sad about it. Way to rub it in like a jerk.
On September 12 2011 01:07 Modesty00 wrote: Man Zaraki should be so sad... What a shame.. bad micro at the end and making too much drones lol.. after he losed the mutas he imidiately needed spore what is he thinking.. so much drones and min he got...
Yeah, he is sad about it. Way to rub it in like a jerk.
no bad feeling man, i feel his pain and wanted him to win but southpark is good enough to make it to ro16, just pissed me off at the end... he beat him with 2 drones vs 7? :/
modesty00 i would love u teach me zvz so i can win next time. maybe with ur help i can do it bro and yes I am ashamed, ashamed of you for your post, if you could have done better than me in the tour i dont know the reason why u werent in ro32 playing vs southpark with ur super micro and knowledg
won... Who is the actual winner? I didn't see the VODs.
In the games Bibiane won 3-2, but he chooced 1 map twice, so got disqualified, as Sayle told in the VOD, but then something happened, cause i received a pm from Game that i am facing not TerranBoy, but again Bibiane xD
so this situation seems not to be so clear, since in the brackets there is still a TerranBoy
That was nothing compared to you Pholon, you do so much more. You're the ultimate hero mate. Let me know if you need any help, happy to lend a hand (I'm still a noob with all that code/template stuff lol)
Kashu, u were random in all 5 games? Or in last 2 chooced P ? and guys, can you help me please :D, Sayle says one word in his streams, that i can't understand ;;, it sounds like "forella". wtf is that? Context is something like "man, are you forella?" Probably he says just "for real" in such way? o,O + Show Spoiler +
On September 14 2011 04:27 reps)Plumbum wrote: and guys, can you help me please :D, Sayle says one word in his streams, that i can't understand ;;, it sounds like "forella". wtf is that? Context is something like "man, are you forella?" Probably he says just "for real" in such way? o,O
On September 14 2011 04:27 reps)Plumbum wrote: Kashu, u were random in all 5 games? Or in last 2 chooced P ? and guys, can you help me please :D, Sayle says one word in his streams, that i can't understand ;;, it sounds like "forella". wtf is that? Context is something like "man, are you forella?" Probably he says just "for real" in such way? o,O + Show Spoiler +
sry about non-related thread post O,o
I would worry a lot about this because it's an ISL Ro16 requirement to understand the terminology of this word.
TTF, please check your inbox. Anyone who has contact with TTF, make sure to tell him to check his TeamLiquid inbox as soon as possible, it bares great importance.
Hmm. Since TTF was Ruarc's Ro64 opponent, it sounds like perhaps the drama is that Ruarc is disqualified for some reason or other and will be replaced by TTF in the bracket (possibly with a regame against AstrO?), which is why he needs to contacted ASAP-ly. I saw someone mention that Ruarc might be Scan's smurf in my stream the other day, which would make a lot of sense in terms of the impending drama and sudden need to contact an eliminated player. Note that this is all pure speculation on my part. Game never tells me anything >_>
On September 14 2011 16:54 Sayle wrote: Hmm. Since TTF was Ruarc's Ro64 opponent, it sounds like perhaps the drama is that Ruarc is disqualified for some reason or other and will be replaced by TTF in the bracket (possibly with a regame against AstrO?), which is why he needs to contacted ASAP-ly. I saw someone mention that Ruarc might be Scan's smurf in my stream the other day, which would make a lot of sense in terms of the impending drama and sudden need to contact an eliminated player. Note that this is all pure speculation on my part. Game never tells me anything >_>
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