EPT[OSL] Ro8 Day 2 - Page 126
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Holy Check
Romania155 Posts
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pvzvt
Israel2097 Posts
yeah !!! i picked janby in the liquid bet  | ||
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Shurayuki
Germany2665 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/DE7Nv.png) yes yes yes, how did this totally pass me by!!11oneoneeleven all of my boys delivering (donmai captain, you'll play against fantasy the next starleague again either way ;D) and the cyclops won too now i'll have to sift through 120 pages to find out what happened in the first (aka second) soo game... give ma soo boi his badge already (>*v*)<~~~ edit: oookayyy~ i'll just pretend i didn't see that haha, to think i even championed the manners of the bw section, way to spite me boys ;P alsoO leave kespa alone,+ Show Spoiler [ she's a very pretty girl <3] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/S4iom.jpg) | ||
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catabowl
United States815 Posts
Jung! Myung! HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON | ||
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Renkaoru
390 Posts
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
On August 29 2011 08:17 catabowl wrote: If Fantasy wins this OSL, what will that do for his legacy? I think, if that happened, he'll be remembered as a better player than he is. Humans are results-oriented. It's easy to lose sight of that in a sport like SC, where it's absurdly rare to find anyone win even 70% of their games. And the MSL/OSL format doesn't always contribute to those luck-sack tendencies that are simply embedded into the game. Maps, for example, may make the tournament scene more interesting, but it's tough to argue they improve the accuracy of results. Just look at Bisu's case right now: he's unequivocally the second-best player in the world right now ("right now" meaning since October of last year, which is the SC equivalent of the beginning of the year), yet people place undue weight towards MSL/OSL and are hard-pressed to admit as such. | ||
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tedster
984 Posts
On August 29 2011 13:28 KamMoye wrote: I think, if that happened, he'll be remembered as a better player than he is. Humans are results-oriented. It's easy to lose sight of that in a sport like SC, where it's absurdly rare to find anyone win even 70% of their games. And the MSL/OSL format doesn't always contribute to those luck-sack tendencies that are simply embedded into the game. Maps, for example, may make the tournament scene more interesting, but it's tough to argue they improve the accuracy of results. Just look at Bisu's case right now: he's unequivocally the second-best player in the world right now ("right now" meaning since October of last year, which is the SC equivalent of the beginning of the year), yet people place undue weight towards MSL/OSL and are hard-pressed to admit as such. Bisu isn't in any way the unequivocally second-best player in the world right now. If you are using extremely primitive statistics (and also not watching games) this might be the case, but any sort of advanced analysis throws this statement in the trash. To even take a ridiculously simple example without even diving into advanced statistics: Player A goes 10-1 in Proleague. In the meantime, he goes 1-2 in the opening round of a tournament and is eliminated. Final record: 11-3 Win %: 0.7857142857142857 Player B goes 10-1 in Proleague. In the meantime, he goes 2-1 in the opening round of a tournament, then 3-2, 3-1, before losing 0-3 and being eliminated. Final record: 16-7 Win %: 0.6956521739130435 Clearly, player B is playing more successfully than player A. Furthermore, he is playing, on average, higher-skill opponents than player A, because he is regularly matched against opponents who are also winning their games and proving "successful". Nevertheless, player A will have a higher ELO and Kespa ranking, in many cases, because he is not losing as many games! Furthermore, his win percentage is significantly higher, due to playing fewer sets against high-tier opponents. From a practical standpoint, Player A cannot lose games he never played. Nonetheless, the player who arrives at that point (a late round of a league) and loses those games is displaying a higher degree of competence than the player who never makes it past their first opponent. This essentially represents "soft losses" for Player A, who, over the course of a tournament, may be considered to be defeated by anyone who places above him, even if not conventionally losing. Bisu is effectively going 20-3 in proleague, and then falling 0-20 in tournaments because he cannot make it past the first round. Why this is the case may be hard to ascertain, but Bisu should not even be in the running for "second-best player for a year now", much less a lock, because he can't even make it past the "top 32/36" rounds of a tournament and so doesn't even have the opportunity to lose as many games as the players who trounce him in overall performance. | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
On August 29 2011 13:28 KamMoye wrote: I think, if that happened, he'll be remembered as a better player than he is. Humans are results-oriented. It's easy to lose sight of that in a sport like SC, where it's absurdly rare to find anyone win even 70% of their games. And the MSL/OSL format doesn't always contribute to those luck-sack tendencies that are simply embedded into the game. Maps, for example, may make the tournament scene more interesting, but it's tough to argue they improve the accuracy of results. Just look at Bisu's case right now: he's unequivocally the second-best player in the world right now ("right now" meaning since October of last year, which is the SC equivalent of the beginning of the year), yet people place undue weight towards MSL/OSL and are hard-pressed to admit as such. He'll get a lot of credit, and it's all deserved. He has posted better results and had more influence than almost everyone else with 1 title, especially if we focus on more current players. Effort, calm, luxury, forgg, mind, casy, ggplay all don't stack up to what he's done. He will be seen as the 5th, maybe 4th, best player since savior's heyday, which is exactly where he should be: not as good as the 3+ gold bisu, JD, and flash, very close to stork, and better than the rest. Edit: lol at above, your funny | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=301448&page=1 | ||
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
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r7tran
Canada2 Posts
80% proleague win-rate doesn't lie! KIM TAEK YONG!!! nor does #1 ELO AWWWWWW YEAHHHHHHHHHH BISU! | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On August 29 2011 21:58 Ryo wrote: Jangbi's storms in set 2: http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=301448&page=1 Almost as epic as vs Nada. | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
On August 29 2011 07:44 Shurayuki wrote: + Show Spoiler [told ya] + yes yes yes, how did this totally pass me by!!11oneoneeleven I got it exactly right like you too, it's easy, just vote for whoever you want to win and don't care about the results lol. The fake 3rd of Jangbi is really wonderful, Flash completely read him wrong. But it cannot be applied to low level play because low level terran probably won't scout the fake third and even if it's scouted they won't react at all T_T. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On August 29 2011 23:13 kamikami wrote: I got it exactly right like you too, it's easy, just vote for whoever you want to win and don't care about the results lol. The fake 3rd of Jangbi is really wonderful, Flash completely read him wrong. But it cannot be applied to low level play because low level terran probably won't scout the fake third and even if it's scouted they won't react at all T_T. r u implying that a D level terran can tear JB a new a one if Flash and the D switched playing? | ||
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DejaVu119
United States131 Posts
On August 29 2011 21:58 Ryo wrote: Jangbi's storms in set 2: http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=301448&page=1 i like this page because it just restarts when the clip is over. i just hear the storms over and over again | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
On August 29 2011 23:21 Xiphos wrote: r u implying that a D level terran can tear JB a new a one if Flash and the D switched playing? No, I was saying that it will be difficult to play Jangbi's mind game strategy (as a D protoss) in low level. | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On August 29 2011 03:41 pvzvt wrote: years of picking underdogs i like finally payed off yeah !!! i picked janby in the liquid bet Fans like you are the people that inspires underdogs. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On August 30 2011 00:35 BlazeFury01 wrote: Fans like you are the people that inspires underdogs. Fans like him are the people that inspires Cinderella stories! | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On August 29 2011 22:20 r7tran wrote: if bisu isn't the second best player in the world right now, i'd like an argument for anyone who can even remotely be considered for that position. 80% proleague win-rate doesn't lie! KIM TAEK YONG!!! nor does #1 ELO AWWWWWW YEAHHHHHHHHHH BISU! PL where he's on the deepest team and can get sent out on his favoured matchup on whatever map is best for him. The supposed second best player is not considered good enough to play the best player in the PL finals, whereas BeSt who's ranked somewhere like 44th is trusted over him. Notice how little ZvP Jaedong ever plays in PL compared to how much PvZ Bisu get's to play. JD is the only ace and constantly planned against, and rarely gets to play average P players because other teams simply don't send them out against him otherwise i'm fairly sure it would be his strongest matchup just as it is for most Zergs. Meanwhile Bisu is on a versatile team that can plan to have him face average Zergs as much as possible. He's obviously a good player. But he hasn't won a BO3 since 2009. It's completely inexcusable. | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On August 30 2011 00:36 Xiphos wrote: Fans like him are the people that inspires Cinderella stories! Don't be an ass with sarcastic remarks. I guess Jangbi beating flash 2-0 must have been a Cinderella story to you, if that's what your implying. I stated my comment because the guy didn't just "hop on the bandwagon" like a lot of people on TL do whenever somebody proves an upset. | ||
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