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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
August 26 2011 14:04 GMT
#2241
On August 26 2011 23:04 o[twist] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 23:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On August 26 2011 23:02 o[twist] wrote:
On August 26 2011 23:01 popzags wrote:
Last time Protoss won the OSL: Summer 2008 ((P)Stork).

Hoping this can be changed.


holy shit i am fucking old. i can't believe that was three fucking years ago. god damn it

fond memories of watching that in semioldguys apartment at the ripe age of 16 years old red faced and full of idealism not like i am now 19 pink faced and full of sea salt kettle chips


you're 19? you were only 16 then? now i really fucking feel old

how old are you if you're like 22 or 23 then that's annoying
RIP Aaliyah
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
August 26 2011 14:04 GMT
#2242
On August 26 2011 23:03 Klaca wrote:
Anyone else feel weird that Flash bowed to audience before leaving... like he lost the game, so why bow?

You're over-reacting. He's just being courteous. Many progamers do that.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
August 26 2011 14:05 GMT
#2243
On August 26 2011 23:03 Klaca wrote:
Anyone else feel weird that Flash bowed to audience before leaving... like he lost the game, so why bow?

You remind me of someone...
Ermac
Profile Joined June 2011
336 Posts
August 26 2011 14:05 GMT
#2244
On August 26 2011 23:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 22:59 Ermac wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:54 o[twist] wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:52 Ermac wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:50 Ermac wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:50 Eun_Star wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:49 Ermac wrote:
Man this sucks... =(

I don't want Flash to go into surgery like that. If something goes wrong he has ended his career with 2 losses against a mediocre protoss when instead he could have won a star league. And if everything goes right and his wrist heals perfectly(which is hope as much as the next BW Fan) no one knows if he will return to his former skill level.

I'm afraid his head is that much in the game(star sense, etc.) that a few months without practice might really hurt him. =((


mediocre? LOL
Jangbi's a great player at the moment.


Overall, JangBi is a mediocre protoss.

did you even watch broodwar in 2008-09


Yes, I did. And I'm not saying JangBi hasn't been great once, but over the last 12 months he has been nothing but mediocre. Only recently has he begun to show results and decent play again, but does that make him S class all of a sudden? o.O


does playing well and winning make somebody S-class? great question


I'm saying that after playing badly to mediocre for such a long time it takes a little more for me to consider JangBi a great protoss once again. Plus I'm frustrated that Flash goes into surgery like that with two losses against a player who's clearly not his level imho.... If he had lost to Jaedong or.... Jaedong? I wouldn't be so frustrated. Maybe.




i dont think anyone is suggesting he has returned to S-Class form there was nothing impressive about what he did in game 3 although i did not see game 2 but the general consensus is that flash beat himself not that jangbi doesn't deserve credit he just exploited mistakes flash made rather than overwhelming him with brilliant gameplay there was nothing shocking about what just occurred other than the fact that the other player was flash


Yes, I guess our opinions are not so different after all, maybe "mediocre" wasn't the correct wording to describe JangBi. I'm just worried about Flash's health and a bit frustrated too, so please take everything I said in that regard with a grain of salt... Btw. I didn't mean to be condescending with that emoticon earlier.. :>
"Blind aggressiveness would destroy the attack itself, not the defense." - Carl von Clausewitz
gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
August 26 2011 14:05 GMT
#2245
On August 26 2011 23:01 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 22:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:58 gngfn wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:55 Torenhire wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:53 Jonvvv wrote:
(T)Fantasy - (Z)Hydra will play Gladiator twice.

(Z)n.Die_soO - (P)JangBi will play New Bloody Ridge twice.

Didn't get the rest.


Soo is 63% vP right now, hope Jangbi has some PvZ stuff put together by then..

jangbi is a progamer and formerly one of the top protoss in the world i think he'll figure it out maybe if he's in a pinch he'll come ask the tl broodwar forum for some advice and expert analysis

Worked out real well in Lost Saga, didn't it?

oh i forgot he got silver in a msl finals to a zerg much better than soo yeah there's no way he could ever win or improve his pvz or come up with a build that exploits soo's playstyle or anything like that he didn't win the starleague more evidence for jangbi being bad only bad players don't win MSLs

What's up with all your extremely sarcastic posts?

He's much cooler than we are now because he no longer cares about BW, so he's just popping in here to drop knowledge on all us newbies who definitely haven't been watching as long as he has. For example, did you know that Luxury was really good at ZvP? Me neither!
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
August 26 2011 14:05 GMT
#2246
On August 26 2011 23:04 Iplaythings wrote:
DocH is just rly negative today apparently

About the guy who said flash looked like he wasnt too upset, he probally wanted the surgery to be over with as much as he wanted the OSL (he'd prolly have more passion if he went to the finals though)
Tht's what I would think anyways,,

thats no excuse though. all credit to jangbi

if i were flash i'd be thinking "alright jangbi go win your gold i win an average of 1 or 2 a season i'll just break more records next season w/e time for my surgery" i wouldn't even be pissed
RIP Aaliyah
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 26 2011 14:05 GMT
#2247
On August 26 2011 23:04 Iplaythings wrote:
DocH is just rly negative today apparently

About the guy who said flash looked like he wasnt too upset, he probally wanted the surgery to be over with as much as he wanted the OSL (he'd prolly have more passion if he went to the finals though)
Tht's what I would think anyways,,

thats no excuse though. all credit to jangbi


i've never seen flash get that upset after a loss. after leta in proleague playoffs this year, maybe after losing to effort korean air finals, maybe after losing the gom finals against jaedong. i'm not sure
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
August 26 2011 14:06 GMT
#2248
So nice to see Jangbi out of his slump :D
Ermac
Profile Joined June 2011
336 Posts
August 26 2011 14:06 GMT
#2249
On August 26 2011 23:05 J1.au wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 23:03 Klaca wrote:
Anyone else feel weird that Flash bowed to audience before leaving... like he lost the game, so why bow?

You remind me of someone...


GG.NoRe right? I was thinking the same a few pages ago.....
"Blind aggressiveness would destroy the attack itself, not the defense." - Carl von Clausewitz
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 26 2011 14:06 GMT
#2250
On August 26 2011 23:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 23:04 o[twist] wrote:
On August 26 2011 23:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On August 26 2011 23:02 o[twist] wrote:
On August 26 2011 23:01 popzags wrote:
Last time Protoss won the OSL: Summer 2008 ((P)Stork).

Hoping this can be changed.


holy shit i am fucking old. i can't believe that was three fucking years ago. god damn it

fond memories of watching that in semioldguys apartment at the ripe age of 16 years old red faced and full of idealism not like i am now 19 pink faced and full of sea salt kettle chips


you're 19? you were only 16 then? now i really fucking feel old

how old are you if you're like 22 or 23 then that's annoying


i'm annoying but also old
e_i_pi_1_0
Profile Joined September 2009
933 Posts
August 26 2011 14:06 GMT
#2251
I just got here. Checking results ....
...
...
Wait, what? No way. Jangbi knocked out Flash? In a Bo3? Whoa.

Could someone summarize what happened in games 2 and 3?
Jaedong and Hwaseung Oz fan.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
August 26 2011 14:07 GMT
#2252
On August 26 2011 23:05 gngfn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 23:01 Holgerius wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:58 gngfn wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:55 Torenhire wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:53 Jonvvv wrote:
(T)Fantasy - (Z)Hydra will play Gladiator twice.

(Z)n.Die_soO - (P)JangBi will play New Bloody Ridge twice.

Didn't get the rest.


Soo is 63% vP right now, hope Jangbi has some PvZ stuff put together by then..

jangbi is a progamer and formerly one of the top protoss in the world i think he'll figure it out maybe if he's in a pinch he'll come ask the tl broodwar forum for some advice and expert analysis

Worked out real well in Lost Saga, didn't it?

oh i forgot he got silver in a msl finals to a zerg much better than soo yeah there's no way he could ever win or improve his pvz or come up with a build that exploits soo's playstyle or anything like that he didn't win the starleague more evidence for jangbi being bad only bad players don't win MSLs

What's up with all your extremely sarcastic posts?

He's much cooler than we are now because he no longer cares about BW, so he's just popping in here to drop knowledge on all us newbies who definitely haven't been watching as long as he has. For example, did you know that Luxury was really good at ZvP? Me neither!

omg lol all i'm saying is that it's dumb to count Jangbi out of a Bo5 against soO just because he lost to luxury in the msl finals i never said luxury was good at zvp in fact i said i recall jangbi being pretty bad at PvZ

i wouldn't bet money on jangbi but saying there is a 90% chance or whatever of him losing is ridiculous
RIP Aaliyah
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-26 14:07:53
August 26 2011 14:07 GMT
#2253
On August 26 2011 23:04 Torenhire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 23:01 Holgerius wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:58 gngfn wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:55 Torenhire wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:53 Jonvvv wrote:
(T)Fantasy - (Z)Hydra will play Gladiator twice.

(Z)n.Die_soO - (P)JangBi will play New Bloody Ridge twice.

Didn't get the rest.


Soo is 63% vP right now, hope Jangbi has some PvZ stuff put together by then..

jangbi is a progamer and formerly one of the top protoss in the world i think he'll figure it out maybe if he's in a pinch he'll come ask the tl broodwar forum for some advice and expert analysis

Worked out real well in Lost Saga, didn't it?

oh i forgot he got silver in a msl finals to a zerg much better than soo yeah there's no way he could ever win or improve his pvz or come up with a build that exploits soo's playstyle or anything like that he didn't win the starleague more evidence for jangbi being bad only bad players don't win MSLs

What's up with all your extremely sarcastic posts?


Samsung Khan flag.


Also, Soo actually eliminated Jangbi from this OSL's preliminaries, beat him 2-0. Jangbi is only here because he advanced via wildcard. That's the only time they've played head to head, but Soo is already a big time ZvP sniper, and I haven't seen anything ground-breaking out of Jangbi's PvZ as of late.

yes, Soo 's "sniping" on a ZvP map in the Pl finals does give him these 60% of a win. Would you please give some credit.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
August 26 2011 14:08 GMT
#2254
if i had to bet on jangbi or soo i'd pick soo by the way im just saying jangbi has a chance of winning this msl he definitely has a great chance of beating fantasy if he advances but i think hydra would probably demolish him
RIP Aaliyah
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
August 26 2011 14:08 GMT
#2255
On August 26 2011 22:58 GJ Dudan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 22:47 NicksonReyes wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:43 mnesthes wrote:
Flash doesn't look too unhappy ?

Maybe he just wants to have his surgery earlier and be able to play in the next PL season asap.
Maybe he lost on purpose. Maybe he didn't.


yeah man, maybe he threw it and lost on purpose, just like he did in the pl finals a week ago

+ Show Spoiler +
fucking idiot


PL =/= OSL -_-
Before the last PL finals, they only had one PL championship. Why would he risk his arm for an OSL that happens 3-4 times a year, which he already won thrice? :/

I'm not taking away anything away from Jangbi though. I'm cheering for him for this OSL because I was supposed to cheer for Killer .
"Start yo" -FlaSh
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2227 Posts
August 26 2011 14:09 GMT
#2256
[image loading]

I just won an OSL. Didn't want to, but there wasn't any other way...
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
August 26 2011 14:09 GMT
#2257
On August 26 2011 23:06 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:
I just got here. Checking results ....
...
...
Wait, what? No way. Jangbi knocked out Flash? In a Bo3? Whoa.

Could someone summarize what happened in games 2 and 3?

Game 2: 200/200 push from Flash failed and Jangbi had 6 bases vs. Flash's 4. Macro war ensued, Jangbi came on top. Beautiful storms and engagement from Jangbi.
Game 3: Flash went with his anti-Best build, i.e. manner ebay into really early 3rd. Jangbi punished it with a timing attack. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Bulldog_(vs._Terran) although this was against Flash's third.

Flash was too passive in the first game, too greedy in the second. Jangbi played pretty much flawlessly.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-26 14:13:18
August 26 2011 14:10 GMT
#2258
On August 26 2011 23:07 letian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 23:04 Torenhire wrote:
On August 26 2011 23:01 Holgerius wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:58 gngfn wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:55 Torenhire wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:53 Jonvvv wrote:
(T)Fantasy - (Z)Hydra will play Gladiator twice.

(Z)n.Die_soO - (P)JangBi will play New Bloody Ridge twice.

Didn't get the rest.


Soo is 63% vP right now, hope Jangbi has some PvZ stuff put together by then..

jangbi is a progamer and formerly one of the top protoss in the world i think he'll figure it out maybe if he's in a pinch he'll come ask the tl broodwar forum for some advice and expert analysis

Worked out real well in Lost Saga, didn't it?

oh i forgot he got silver in a msl finals to a zerg much better than soo yeah there's no way he could ever win or improve his pvz or come up with a build that exploits soo's playstyle or anything like that he didn't win the starleague more evidence for jangbi being bad only bad players don't win MSLs

What's up with all your extremely sarcastic posts?


Samsung Khan flag.


Also, Soo actually eliminated Jangbi from this OSL's preliminaries, beat him 2-0. Jangbi is only here because he advanced via wildcard. That's the only time they've played head to head, but Soo is already a big time ZvP sniper, and I haven't seen anything ground-breaking out of Jangbi's PvZ as of late.

yes, Soo 's "sniping" on a ZvP map in the Pl finals does give him these 60% of a win. Would you please give some credit.



I was taking credit away from Jangbi?


he just beat Flash, how could I take credit away? Plus PvZ is an entirely different matchup than PvT, so just because he beat Flash doesn't mean he'll destroy Soo. tbh I'd rather have Jangbi win out of the remaining players, I dunno why everyone seems to think I've already counted him as "losing" vs Soo. I'm simply saying that Soo is really good ZvP and Jangbi is gonna have to conjure up something awesome or else it could be bad.


Also he lost to Stats in PL finals...I dunno what you're even talking about.


Not to mention one game doesn't give you a 63% winrate. Lol.
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
GJ Dudan
Profile Joined August 2011
3 Posts
August 26 2011 14:11 GMT
#2259
On August 26 2011 23:08 NicksonReyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 22:58 GJ Dudan wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:47 NicksonReyes wrote:
On August 26 2011 22:43 mnesthes wrote:
Flash doesn't look too unhappy ?

Maybe he just wants to have his surgery earlier and be able to play in the next PL season asap.
Maybe he lost on purpose. Maybe he didn't.


yeah man, maybe he threw it and lost on purpose, just like he did in the pl finals a week ago

+ Show Spoiler +
fucking idiot


PL =/= OSL -_-
Before the last PL finals, they only had one PL championship. Why would he risk his arm for an OSL that happens 3-4 times a year, which he already won thrice? :/

I'm not taking away anything away from Jangbi though. I'm cheering for him for this OSL because I was supposed to cheer for Killer .


risk his arm lmao, you people are as dense as stones. do you honestly think he wouldve turned up to play if his arm was in such a serious condition that it would degrade from 2 fucking games now, and a bo5 every couple of weeks in the future?
JANGBI FOR LIFE
Vuk_91
Profile Joined September 2010
Serbia1690 Posts
August 26 2011 14:12 GMT
#2260
Can`t believe how people who are probably 10x better than me in BW don`t understand some things: I remember last MSL everyone was "Hydra will make Flash a lot of of trouble" and "Zero will win against flash,at least it will be 3-2 for flash" and I was laughing so hard thinking that together they will take 1 game against Flash,but they didn`t even take that one. You all need to understand,it`s one thing to play solid ZvT in proleague,to beat good terrans like Bogus,Sea or Mind. But it`s whole different thing to beat guys like Flash or Fantasy in Bo5. Now listen,Hydra won`t take more than one game against Fantasy! You heard it first here.
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