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I love Bisu more than anyone else and god knows thats true, but if I see a picture of him after page 5 it will result in 2 days ban. Thats enough, be warned.
-disciple
doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
July 24 2011 07:19 GMT
#2601
On July 24 2011 16:19 KTF_CloaK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 16:17 AppleTart wrote:
On July 24 2011 16:16 doothegee wrote:
Oof. Fomos match ratings are painful to read.


Link please :D?


It's probably in korean but can you translate? ^^

That shit's illegal, bro. I'm sure Fomos Global has a translation up.
웅진 멘쓰즈
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
July 24 2011 07:19 GMT
#2602
I will let flamewheel get away with this unlike the guy on page 25 or smth ^_^

the op for the finals is mine
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
July 24 2011 07:20 GMT
#2603
On July 24 2011 16:19 disciple wrote:
I will let flamewheel get away with this unlike the guy on page 25 or smth ^_^

the op for the finals is mine

YES PLEASE MAKE IT! :D
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
hmmm...
Profile Joined March 2011
632 Posts
July 24 2011 07:20 GMT
#2604
On July 24 2011 16:06 Elyvilon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 16:04 hmmm... wrote:
seriously, why 12 hatch?

seems really fishy to me....

i mean think about it. if you 12 hatch, there is a considerable chance you can automatically lose due to a build order.

if you do 9 pool, at least you have a timing window. if you do 12 pool, at least you can defend a 9 pool.

of course, 12 hatch is totally viable in a bo3, bo5 zvz series, but at this stage of the tournament, when EVERYTHING is on the line, to go 12 hatch?

either he's doing illegal betting or the CJ coach is making some seriously bad decisions. i am TERRIBLY disappointed, more so after such a brilliant effort by Leta, and I even wanted KT to win too.

And what if your opponent thinks the same way, 12pools, and then you get to ride your 12hatch to a win?

He lost the BO war, no need to bring match fixing into this.


a 12 hatch doesn't automatically win against a 12 pool as much as a 9 pool automatically wins against a 12 hatch.

what i'm saying is that in CJ's situation, they should have picked a build that most minimizes the effects of a bo difference and that is 12 pool. with good micro, you can win both a 9 pool and 12 hatch with a 12 pool. even if CJ went with a 9 pool, at least they would have had a short timing window advantage against a 12 hatch or pool. but if you go 12 hatch and opponent happens to go 9pool, u almost surely lose.
4taR4xiA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States31 Posts
July 24 2011 07:20 GMT
#2605
On July 24 2011 16:02 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Poll: Who should take the LR for grand Finals?

Flamewheel (79)
 
43%

Disciple (73)
 
40%

me (30)
 
16%

182 total votes

Your vote: Who should take the LR for grand Finals?

(Vote): Disciple
(Vote): Flamewheel
(Vote): me


Even if you have few votes, I voted for you Blind-RawR
hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
July 24 2011 07:21 GMT
#2606
On July 24 2011 16:17 AppleTart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 16:16 doothegee wrote:
Oof. Fomos match ratings are painful to read.


Link please :D?

addadadasada
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4202 Posts
July 24 2011 07:21 GMT
#2607
On July 24 2011 16:18 Winechu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 16:17 AppleTart wrote:
On July 24 2011 16:16 doothegee wrote:
Oof. Fomos match ratings are painful to read.


Link please :D?

http://fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=119576&db=news

KT zergs are the shared MVPs

So depressing to see so many D's on entus' side.
( ・´ー・`)
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
July 24 2011 07:21 GMT
#2608
On July 24 2011 16:19 doothegee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 16:19 KTF_CloaK wrote:
On July 24 2011 16:17 AppleTart wrote:
On July 24 2011 16:16 doothegee wrote:
Oof. Fomos match ratings are painful to read.


Link please :D?


It's probably in korean but can you translate? ^^

That shit's illegal, bro. I'm sure Fomos Global has a translation up.

You'd be completely wrong, they don't even have the first day's rating sup.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
July 24 2011 07:21 GMT
#2609
On July 24 2011 16:18 Winechu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 16:17 AppleTart wrote:
On July 24 2011 16:16 doothegee wrote:
Oof. Fomos match ratings are painful to read.


Link please :D?

http://fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=119576&db=news

KT zergs are the shared MVPs


Lol every match was an A or a D except for Leta vs Flash. I don't think Bbyong played that badly though. I'd give him at least a C.
Shurayuki
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2665 Posts
July 24 2011 07:21 GMT
#2610
On July 24 2011 16:13 Lightwip wrote:
If I were a CJ fan, I'd blame it on the un-clutch protoss line that keeps losing games.


on the other hand just look at protoss performance in this year (yeah yeah bisu bla bla)

they just can't do shit especially against zerg. sure they are part of the problem and looking to get into the finals they should be better/figured out something but in the end protoss is just shit lately

On July 24 2011 16:15 Lightwip wrote:
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On July 24 2011 16:15 aupstar wrote:
On July 24 2011 16:14 Shurayuki wrote:
On July 24 2011 16:12 Lightwip wrote:
On July 24 2011 16:10 flamewheel wrote:
On July 24 2011 16:07 Vipsanius wrote:
Are we going to see MS-paint Bisu?

Bisu pic

Hope disciple doesn't see that or yous is gettin banned.


at this point and for that post there should really not be a ban though...the thread was sucessfully bisuless so let it slide


Define bisuless..

Terrible.
Ex: Movie's PvZ today seemed very bisuless.


gold, that's actually a good evaluation of pretty much every protoss not named KTY xp

well the bisu talk was 1: because of day 1 2:if you have a message on top with "no bisu pics" there will be talk xp
it's not like nobody can talk about the games just because somebody posts a pic of or mentions KTY, ppl just choose not to and rateher freak out^^; but enough of that

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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
July 24 2011 07:21 GMT
#2611
On July 24 2011 16:19 doothegee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 16:19 KTF_CloaK wrote:
On July 24 2011 16:17 AppleTart wrote:
On July 24 2011 16:16 doothegee wrote:
Oof. Fomos match ratings are painful to read.


Link please :D?


It's probably in korean but can you translate? ^^

That shit's illegal, bro. I'm sure Fomos Global has a translation up.


its oke, they just rank it from like D to S.

lolz this will be disgusting.
WriterXiao8~~
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3330 Posts
July 24 2011 07:21 GMT
#2612
On July 24 2011 16:10 flamewheel wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 24 2011 16:07 Vipsanius wrote:
Are we going to see MS-paint Bisu?

[image loading]

thank you hehe I like this one a lot
The Revolutionist Shall Rise Again! No. 1 Kim Taek Yong Fan 어헣↗ GO JAEDONG!!!!!!! GO ACE!!! 태연 <3 윤아 <3 승연 <3
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
July 24 2011 07:22 GMT
#2613
On July 24 2011 16:18 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 16:15 hmmm... wrote:
On July 24 2011 16:05 Release wrote:
On July 24 2011 16:04 hmmm... wrote:
seriously, why 12 hatch?

seems really fishy to me....

i mean think about it. if you 12 hatch, there is a considerable chance you can automatically lose due to a build order.

if you do 9 pool, at least you have a timing window. if you do 12 pool, at least you can defend a 9 pool.

of course, 12 hatch is totally viable in a bo3, bo5 zvz series, but at this stage of the tournament, when EVERYTHING is on the line, to go 12 hatch?

either he's doing illegal betting or the CJ coach is making some seriously bad decisions. i am TERRIBLY disappointed, more so after such a brilliant effort by Leta, and I even wanted KT to win too.

you zvz nutholes.
12 hatch > 12 pool > 9pool. It's simple. 12 pool does defend a 9pool. Don't call someone stupid for trying to play zvz in a zvz.


i never said 12 pool doesn't defend a 9 pool. i said 12 hatch doesn't defend a 9 pool (almost always). i suggest you read carefully next time. 12 hatch is not > 9pool if you can't defend it in the firstplace nuthole

You said can. On aztec, it does. Only on an extremely small map, say battle royal or chupung ryeong, does a 9pool break a 12pool.
Also, you really shouldn't be accusing where of match fixing. It's so common that someone is flamed for 12 hatch when the opponent 9pool whereas no one flames a 12pooler.

Actually there's a large number of games where 9poolspeed has killed a 12pool expo. This was quite notorious on Medusa.
Winechu
Profile Joined May 2011
Singapore1186 Posts
July 24 2011 07:23 GMT
#2614
On July 24 2011 16:19 doothegee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 16:19 KTF_CloaK wrote:
On July 24 2011 16:17 AppleTart wrote:
On July 24 2011 16:16 doothegee wrote:
Oof. Fomos match ratings are painful to read.


Link please :D?


It's probably in korean but can you translate? ^^

That shit's illegal, bro. I'm sure Fomos Global has a translation up.


Unfortunately FOMOS global hasn't posted anything about the CJ-KT PO match-ups. Not even winners interviews. I'd love to translate from sc.plu.cn but they don't use DES either.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
July 24 2011 07:24 GMT
#2615
Those ratings were so stupid... who does them?
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-24 07:28:39
July 24 2011 07:25 GMT
#2616
On July 24 2011 16:24 Elroi wrote:
Those ratings were so stupid... who does them?


nvm


and to be fair all of the games were bad except for the Leta Flash one.

A ratings? wtf.
WriterXiao8~~
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
July 24 2011 07:25 GMT
#2617
On July 24 2011 16:22 koreasilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 16:18 Release wrote:
On July 24 2011 16:15 hmmm... wrote:
On July 24 2011 16:05 Release wrote:
On July 24 2011 16:04 hmmm... wrote:
seriously, why 12 hatch?

seems really fishy to me....

i mean think about it. if you 12 hatch, there is a considerable chance you can automatically lose due to a build order.

if you do 9 pool, at least you have a timing window. if you do 12 pool, at least you can defend a 9 pool.

of course, 12 hatch is totally viable in a bo3, bo5 zvz series, but at this stage of the tournament, when EVERYTHING is on the line, to go 12 hatch?

either he's doing illegal betting or the CJ coach is making some seriously bad decisions. i am TERRIBLY disappointed, more so after such a brilliant effort by Leta, and I even wanted KT to win too.

you zvz nutholes.
12 hatch > 12 pool > 9pool. It's simple. 12 pool does defend a 9pool. Don't call someone stupid for trying to play zvz in a zvz.


i never said 12 pool doesn't defend a 9 pool. i said 12 hatch doesn't defend a 9 pool (almost always). i suggest you read carefully next time. 12 hatch is not > 9pool if you can't defend it in the firstplace nuthole

You said can. On aztec, it does. Only on an extremely small map, say battle royal or chupung ryeong, does a 9pool break a 12pool.
Also, you really shouldn't be accusing where of match fixing. It's so common that someone is flamed for 12 hatch when the opponent 9pool whereas no one flames a 12pooler.

Actually there's a large number of games where 9poolspeed has killed a 12pool expo. This was quite notorious on Medusa.

The rush distance was incredibly short on neo medusa. But on Neo Aztec, the rush distance is long enough that 12pool will defend a 9pool.
☺
Spyfire242
Profile Joined March 2009
United States715 Posts
July 24 2011 07:26 GMT
#2618
I will be glad next season when we can field Effort in this situation instead of Where... >_>
Entusman #55 Spyfire242!
aupstar
Profile Joined June 2007
Australia912 Posts
July 24 2011 07:26 GMT
#2619
On July 24 2011 16:19 Hyde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 16:18 Winechu wrote:
On July 24 2011 16:17 AppleTart wrote:
On July 24 2011 16:16 doothegee wrote:
Oof. Fomos match ratings are painful to read.


Link please :D?

http://fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=119576&db=news

KT zergs are the shared MVPs

geeez lol, if you're not an A you're a D lol
(except Leta, he got S :D)
thanks for the link btw


Leta got an S though! :D
Firebats, the natural enemy of octozerg
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
July 24 2011 07:26 GMT
#2620
On July 24 2011 16:20 hmmm... wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 16:06 Elyvilon wrote:
On July 24 2011 16:04 hmmm... wrote:
seriously, why 12 hatch?

seems really fishy to me....

i mean think about it. if you 12 hatch, there is a considerable chance you can automatically lose due to a build order.

if you do 9 pool, at least you have a timing window. if you do 12 pool, at least you can defend a 9 pool.

of course, 12 hatch is totally viable in a bo3, bo5 zvz series, but at this stage of the tournament, when EVERYTHING is on the line, to go 12 hatch?

either he's doing illegal betting or the CJ coach is making some seriously bad decisions. i am TERRIBLY disappointed, more so after such a brilliant effort by Leta, and I even wanted KT to win too.

And what if your opponent thinks the same way, 12pools, and then you get to ride your 12hatch to a win?

He lost the BO war, no need to bring match fixing into this.


a 12 hatch doesn't automatically win against a 12 pool as much as a 9 pool automatically wins against a 12 hatch.

what i'm saying is that in CJ's situation, they should have picked a build that most minimizes the effects of a bo difference and that is 12 pool. with good micro, you can win both a 9 pool and 12 hatch with a 12 pool. even if CJ went with a 9 pool, at least they would have had a short timing window advantage against a 12 hatch or pool. but if you go 12 hatch and opponent happens to go 9pool, u almost surely lose.


so what you meant to say above was that, because in your opinion the advantage of a 12hatch over a 12pool is not as significant of the advantage of a 9pool over a 12hatch, there was probably match-fixing going on? do you realize how ridiculous and disproportionate that kind of statement is?
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