I love Bisu more than anyone else and god knows thats true, but if I see a picture of him after page 5 it will result in 2 days ban. Thats enough, be warned. -disciple
On July 24 2011 16:12 fallingdream wrote: Yes CJ fans and KT haters, blame it on ZvZ, BO and hate on Roo, but don't even for a second try to blame it on the CJ coaches for a: not sending out Snow, b: telling and making Where practice 12 hatch.
I think most people are blaming Movie, actually
I still think there's nothing wrong with 12hatching
On July 24 2011 16:04 hmmm... wrote: seriously, why 12 hatch?
seems really fishy to me....
i mean think about it. if you 12 hatch, there is a considerable chance you can automatically lose due to a build order.
if you do 9 pool, at least you have a timing window. if you do 12 pool, at least you can defend a 9 pool.
of course, 12 hatch is totally viable in a bo3, bo5 zvz series, but at this stage of the tournament, when EVERYTHING is on the line, to go 12 hatch?
either he's doing illegal betting or the CJ coach is making some seriously bad decisions. i am TERRIBLY disappointed, more so after such a brilliant effort by Leta, and I even wanted KT to win too.
you zvz nutholes. 12 hatch > 12 pool > 9pool. It's simple. 12 pool does defend a 9pool. Don't call someone stupid for trying to play zvz in a zvz.
i never said 12 pool doesn't defend a 9 pool. i said 12 hatch doesn't defend a 9 pool (almost always). i suggest you read carefully next time. 12 hatch is not > 9pool if you can't defend it in the firstplace nuthole
it is going to be a zvz fest next time i'd say.. SKT won't send protoss against zerg (except for Bisu) and they don't have a very strong terran line up i think.
On July 24 2011 16:12 fallingdream wrote: Yes CJ fans and KT haters, blame it on ZvZ, BO and hate on Roo, but don't even for a second try to blame it on the CJ coaches for a: not sending out Snow, b: telling and making Where practice 12 hatch.
I think most people are blaming Movie, actually
I still think there's nothing wrong with 12hatching
On July 24 2011 16:14 Elroi wrote: God.. plz stop complaining about the 12 hatch. It is perfectly standard its just a retarded match up.
This. There is no "safe build" in ZvZ. Going 12 pool means you might be able to last a bit longer and not die to lings right away but if your opponent goes 12 hatch, you're still almost definitely going to lose unless your opponent fucks up in a big way.
And 12 pool can still die to 9 pool speed openings.
On July 24 2011 16:12 fallingdream wrote: Yes CJ fans and KT haters, blame it on ZvZ, BO and hate on Roo, but don't even for a second try to blame it on the CJ coaches for a: not sending out Snow, b: telling and making Where practice 12 hatch.
I think most people are blaming Movie, actually
I still think there's nothing wrong with 12hatching
why blame movie more than horang though?
because movie lost both days and because PvZ is movie's wheelhouse and he got it twice, whereas horang2 is a PvP expert and still went 1-1
over both days, the only CJ player with a winning record was leta. he went 2-0. horang and hydra went 1-1. movie went 0-2 and skyhigh, bbyong, where, and snow went 0-1. it's hard not to place a lot of blame on movie.
On July 24 2011 16:04 hmmm... wrote: seriously, why 12 hatch?
seems really fishy to me....
i mean think about it. if you 12 hatch, there is a considerable chance you can automatically lose due to a build order.
if you do 9 pool, at least you have a timing window. if you do 12 pool, at least you can defend a 9 pool.
of course, 12 hatch is totally viable in a bo3, bo5 zvz series, but at this stage of the tournament, when EVERYTHING is on the line, to go 12 hatch?
either he's doing illegal betting or the CJ coach is making some seriously bad decisions. i am TERRIBLY disappointed, more so after such a brilliant effort by Leta, and I even wanted KT to win too.
you zvz nutholes. 12 hatch > 12 pool > 9pool. It's simple. 12 pool does defend a 9pool. Don't call someone stupid for trying to play zvz in a zvz.
i never said 12 pool doesn't defend a 9 pool. i said 12 hatch doesn't defend a 9 pool (almost always). i suggest you read carefully next time. 12 hatch is not > 9pool if you can't defend it in the firstplace nuthole
You said can. On aztec, it does. Only on an extremely small map, say battle royal or chupung ryeong, does a 9pool break a 12pool. Also, you really shouldn't be accusing where of match fixing. It's so common that someone is flamed for 12 hatch when the opponent 9pool whereas no one flames a 12pooler.
On July 24 2011 16:12 fallingdream wrote: Yes CJ fans and KT haters, blame it on ZvZ, BO and hate on Roo, but don't even for a second try to blame it on the CJ coaches for a: not sending out Snow, b: telling and making Where practice 12 hatch.
I think most people are blaming Movie, actually
I still think there's nothing wrong with 12hatching
why blame movie more than horang though?
He gets some blame too.
I'd rather blame movie more, since a)Horang2 won on day 1, even if it was a very ugly win, and b) I think he got a bit unlucky to 2gate on cross positions.