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On July 13 2011 20:34 Special Tactics wrote: Zerg on 2 base is normal in BW? Is this single round elimination? it's round robin play between 4 players in a group
and being on 2 base is "normal" after your 3rd gets destroyed
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Man, when Flash is on like that he's so brutal in his FvZ.
Pretty much flawless play from the Wrist-Terran.
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Sick game by flash, everything seemed to be perfect, macro in the beginning and the micro near the end.
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Is Hydra's ZvT this bad or is it just because it's Flash?
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On July 13 2011 20:35 revy wrote: I'm not sure I understand Hydra's opening: pool+6lings before expo -> double expo/3 hatch muta.
He had to know that his lurkers would be way to slow to ever save the 3rd from Flash of all people. I think the early pool was supposed to do more than minor damage to Flash's supply depot. After that he made the quick third base to try to get back into the game, but obviously Flash's timing is way too good to let that go, and he obviously guessed it was there after scouting how little Hydra had in his base.
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On July 13 2011 20:36 Sinedd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 20:34 GhoSt[shield] wrote: Incredible bio play from Flash overpowers Hydra and certainly made him ride the bus.
Sick to see great play from Flash despite wrist issues wasnt it just kinda sloppy play for Hydra ? I mean flash played out this pretty damn good but...
No. His timings were fine. Flash is just a monster, and it just makes people look bad.
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Hydra shot himself in the foot with his opening, that has to be said. But still, amazing game from Flash.
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On July 13 2011 20:34 GhoSt[shield] wrote: Incredible bio play from Flash overpowers Hydra and certainly made him ride the bus.
Sick to see great play from Flash despite wrist issues
did you know that "riding the bus" has a whole different meaning in korea,especially in progaming.
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On July 13 2011 20:36 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 20:34 Special Tactics wrote: Zerg on 2 base is normal in BW? Is this single round elimination? it's round robin play between 4 players in a group and being on 2 base is "normal" after your 3rd gets destroyed u want 3 bases as quickly as possible
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On July 13 2011 20:36 rebdomine wrote: Is Hydra's ZvT this bad or is it just because it's Flash? He's not really bad at ZvT, but he's not exactly great at it either. Flash makes everyone look terrible, though.
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On July 13 2011 20:35 revy wrote: I'm not sure I understand Hydra's opening: pool+6lings before expo -> double expo/3 hatch muta.
He had to know that his lurkers would be way to slow to ever save the 3rd from Flash of all people.
he went for a 9pool, Flash walled in.. there's pretty much nothing he can do to pressure Flash actually.. lack of larvae off one hatch (cos of 9pool)
he double expanded to catch up with Flash..
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On July 13 2011 20:35 Dakkas wrote: That was a stomp, looks like Jaedong can take a sigh of relief atop his throne Zero is on a streak right now though and got second place in the last MSL as well. So, he is probably the bigger threat(even without being in the OSL).
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On July 13 2011 20:36 rebdomine wrote: Is Hydra's ZvT this bad or is it just because it's Flash?
both, it's hydras worst matchup and his practice vs CJ T's is maybe not the best with a TvT specialist and Leta a bit shaky
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On July 13 2011 20:34 Spica wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 20:32 aupstar wrote:On July 13 2011 20:30 Spica wrote:On July 13 2011 20:28 aupstar wrote:On July 13 2011 20:27 Spica wrote:On July 13 2011 20:26 aupstar wrote:On July 13 2011 20:25 Spica wrote:On July 13 2011 20:23 aupstar wrote:On July 13 2011 20:21 Spica wrote:On July 13 2011 20:19 aupstar wrote: [quote]
Perhaps, but this is sc...not sc2...low apm still hurts. If low APM hurts, then pretty much everything will hurt for Flash. o_O Anyway, he said he's fine a million times, and that he doesn't want his fans to worry that much about his wrist. I don't know if you can just discard all the after game interviews where he's complained about his wrists or the rehab time or the reduced practising time. And look at all the games he's lost because of it...his record vs zerg looks almost as bad as fantasy. Of course he'll complain, because his wrist hurts. And how do you know that he lost those games because of his wrist or reduced practice time? How do you know it wasn't because of that? Lol. I don't see why Flash fans have to blame losses on his wrist injury... Maybe the opponent just played a bit better and with a bit of luck, won. It's fact...he has a wrist injury..you can't deny it. Then maybe his opponents lost because they were sick and couldn't play at their usual level, yes? I think my point has been made...there's no point arguing with you if you're going to create fallacies like his opponents were sick.. Fact...he has a wrist injury..learn to lose an argument. The same goes for you, no? We don't know for fact if Flash really loses his games solely due to his wrist injury. Jesus Christ. Arguments like this are the reason why I have such a low opinion of these boards.
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On July 13 2011 20:34 Special Tactics wrote: Zerg on 2 base is normal in BW? Is this single round elimination?
The only matchup where Zerg dont (try to) get an early 3rd is mirror, where its either 1 or 2 base play most of the time.
vP: Zerg almost always get a very early 3rd (double expand off Overpool seems to be the most common variation nowadays).
vT: Zerg will try to get a 3rd while keeping T busy at home w Muta... Holding that 3rd is the challenge though, probably the most key point in early game TvZ as far as i know.
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On July 13 2011 20:37 Sinedd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 20:36 Zona wrote:On July 13 2011 20:34 Special Tactics wrote: Zerg on 2 base is normal in BW? Is this single round elimination? it's round robin play between 4 players in a group and being on 2 base is "normal" after your 3rd gets destroyed u want 3 bases as quickly as possible
lol which Hydra did, but was destroyed, hence only left with 2 base was what he's trying to drive at
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On July 13 2011 20:36 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 20:34 Special Tactics wrote: Zerg on 2 base is normal in BW? Is this single round elimination? it's round robin play between 4 players in a group and being on 2 base is "normal" after your 3rd gets destroyed So, this is 1 group playing now? Are all the games in this to be played today?
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On July 13 2011 20:39 Special Tactics wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 20:36 Zona wrote:On July 13 2011 20:34 Special Tactics wrote: Zerg on 2 base is normal in BW? Is this single round elimination? it's round robin play between 4 players in a group and being on 2 base is "normal" after your 3rd gets destroyed So, this is 1 group playing now? Are all the games in this to be played today? No. As you can see by the player names, they are all obviously not in the same group.
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On July 13 2011 20:39 Special Tactics wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 20:36 Zona wrote:On July 13 2011 20:34 Special Tactics wrote: Zerg on 2 base is normal in BW? Is this single round elimination? it's round robin play between 4 players in a group and being on 2 base is "normal" after your 3rd gets destroyed So, this is 1 group playing now? Are all the games in this to be played today? There are six days of play. On each day one game from each of the four groups is played. There are two more games today, one for Group C and one for Group D.
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Hydra was clearly hoping for a 14CC from Flash. When that didn't work out, he needed to double expand to catch up. His failure was to go for mutas and not lurkers. You need to out-turtle the turtle-terran when you're behind against him.
But really, Hydra lost as soon as he did that 9pool.
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