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dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
July 07 2011 20:11 GMT
#381
wow easy group to predict...
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
July 07 2011 20:34 GMT
#382
Jangbi for silver~~!

Get that samsung silver factory churning.
NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
July 07 2011 22:01 GMT
#383
--- Nuked ---
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
July 07 2011 22:09 GMT
#384
On July 08 2011 07:01 Jumperer wrote:
Bisu doesn't win in starleagues because he make excuses too much. It's always the map, it's always the practice, it's always the matchup. In contrast, Look at the attitude of savior, flash, nada, boxer, iloveoov and jaedong. They never, if rarely ever, make an excuse when they win or lose. If something isn't fair, they suck it up and find a way to overcome the odds and make it fair. other champions in other sports have the same quality. For instance, Michael Jordan had the flu and still dominated in NBA final. Tiger woods won a U.S. Open on one leg and played hurt the entire career.

Bisu just doesn't have the attitude of the champion. His mechanics is top class but you need more than that to overcome jaedong and flash. He dominates in proleague because in proleague teams can't really prepare a special build. It's all mechanic against mechanic most of the time. In starleagues, players can easily prepare for bisu's style since he always play the most modern safe build.

Regardless, I consider bisu as the greatest protoss of all time with his 3 MSLs.


Whatever happened to those "attitude" that defeated the dominant Maestro? Or what happened to the attitude that defeated the Mighty and Commanding Twin cannons of KHAN?
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
July 07 2011 22:23 GMT
#385
Easiest prediction of my life
Starcraft's BW glory days have passed, RIP Jaedong's dominance - 2013...EDIT 2017: WE BACK BOYS
Neo7
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States922 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 22:31:57
July 07 2011 22:31 GMT
#386
The protoss line has produced some of the most consistent players of all time. Reach held up his career for the longest time ever including the achievement of being the lone protoss of one StarLeague and was the first player ever to achieve 100 wins (process that spand several years for him). Stork may not be so hot, but he's considered one of the most consistent players of all time. He's been a powerhouse and feared player reaching all the way back from the SKY ProLeague era. They may not be winning the everything but their lifespan is pretty long.
It takes an idiot to do cool things.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
July 07 2011 22:41 GMT
#387
On July 08 2011 07:31 Neo7 wrote:
The protoss line has produced some of the most consistent players of all time. Reach held up his career for the longest time ever including the achievement of being the lone protoss of one StarLeague and was the first player ever to achieve 100 wins (process that spand several years for him). Stork may not be so hot, but he's considered one of the most consistent players of all time. He's been a powerhouse and feared player reaching all the way back from the SKY ProLeague era. They may not be winning the everything but their lifespan is pretty long.

Hence the low APM nature of the race.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
djbhINDI
Profile Joined June 2011
United States372 Posts
July 07 2011 22:41 GMT
#388
Light and Jangbi got this for sure, I don't see Hyun beating them.
You can't emphasize enough how much you need to be a paradigm shifter. - Savior
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
July 07 2011 22:43 GMT
#389
On July 08 2011 07:41 djbhINDI wrote:
Light and Jangbi got this for sure, I don't see Hyun beating them.

Umm.....well....JangBi did got in 2-0 and Light 2-1, yeah.....
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
djbhINDI
Profile Joined June 2011
United States372 Posts
July 07 2011 22:44 GMT
#390
On July 07 2011 22:53 kuroshiroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 22:29 Holgerius wrote:
On July 07 2011 22:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
It's been the same 3 zergs, twice: (Z)Hydra, (Z)Jaedong, (Z)ZerO. None of them are "mediocre" by any means; the only one who was mediocre and made it to the finals of the MSL was (Z)great.

Let's take a look at the current OSL then. 9/16 players are Zerg, and that includes Hyvaa, Hyuk, Killer, Modesty, Soo and Shine. We've had players such as Kwanro (!!!!!) and Great reach Starleague finals for fuck's sake. If anyone tries to tell me Zergs haven't been dominating the Starleauges in general for quite a while I'll show you a liar.

Clearly zergs should just intentionally stop winning games against non-zergs in the MSL. That would make everybody happy. I mean, we wouldn't want to best players to win any titles, would we?

Direct your anger at somebody who can actually do anything about the lack of non-zergs in the last few MSLs, such as the non-zergs. Hope that the non-zergs do better, rather than the zergs doing worse.

Straight up. I don't like Zergs dominating OSL either, but what do you expect? Should Kespa just automatically advance Terrans and Toss?
You can't emphasize enough how much you need to be a paradigm shifter. - Savior
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
July 07 2011 22:44 GMT
#391
lol! Twin Cannons of Khan!! That is good.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2550 Posts
July 08 2011 02:56 GMT
#392
Jangbi and Light!
Jaedong Fighting! | youtube.com/ZikGaming
soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
July 08 2011 03:03 GMT
#393

yay light!!!

hope to see him killing more zergs on this msl :p
ace hwaiting!!
NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
July 08 2011 04:25 GMT
#394
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
July 08 2011 04:49 GMT
#395
On July 08 2011 13:25 Jumperer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2011 07:09 Xiphos wrote:
On July 08 2011 07:01 Jumperer wrote:
Bisu doesn't win in starleagues because he make excuses too much. It's always the map, it's always the practice, it's always the matchup. In contrast, Look at the attitude of savior, flash, nada, boxer, iloveoov and jaedong. They never, if rarely ever, make an excuse when they win or lose. If something isn't fair, they suck it up and find a way to overcome the odds and make it fair. other champions in other sports have the same quality. For instance, Michael Jordan had the flu and still dominated in NBA final. Tiger woods won a U.S. Open on one leg and played hurt the entire career.

Bisu just doesn't have the attitude of the champion. His mechanics is top class but you need more than that to overcome jaedong and flash. He dominates in proleague because in proleague teams can't really prepare a special build. It's all mechanic against mechanic most of the time. In starleagues, players can easily prepare for bisu's style since he always play the most modern safe build.

Regardless, I consider bisu as the greatest protoss of all time with his 3 MSLs.


Whatever happened to those "attitude" that defeated the dominant Maestro? Or what happened to the attitude that defeated the Mighty and Commanding Twin cannons of KHAN?


Bisu build destroyed savior. Stork and jangbi are silver medal artists and they both said in an old interview that they approach bo5 and bo3 by playing normally like they would play in proleague. The coaching in the KHAN house is pretty bad. Stork didn't win an OSL until he starts playing crazy.

Just read bisu's interviews and you can see how emo he is. He complains about everything and has absolutely no confidence at all. Jaedong and flash is always in both MSL and OSL and they never lose to scrubs. Why is that? because they believe that they are the best. I'm Lee mother fucking jaedong or I'm God Young Ho!! I can't lose to this trash player. Sure, they get sniped every now and then but they are usually solid. Their slumps don't last very long because they know how to adapt.

Bisu on the other hand, lost to random scrubs all the time in OSL and MSL, in his best matchup no less. This is because he plays the same every game and try to beat everyone with his mechanics. Combine this with his emo attitude and you can see why he never go deep in starleagues.

I wonder why Stork is able to go deep then.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
July 08 2011 05:11 GMT
#396
On July 08 2011 07:44 djbhINDI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 22:53 kuroshiroi wrote:
On July 07 2011 22:29 Holgerius wrote:
On July 07 2011 22:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
It's been the same 3 zergs, twice: (Z)Hydra, (Z)Jaedong, (Z)ZerO. None of them are "mediocre" by any means; the only one who was mediocre and made it to the finals of the MSL was (Z)great.

Let's take a look at the current OSL then. 9/16 players are Zerg, and that includes Hyvaa, Hyuk, Killer, Modesty, Soo and Shine. We've had players such as Kwanro (!!!!!) and Great reach Starleague finals for fuck's sake. If anyone tries to tell me Zergs haven't been dominating the Starleauges in general for quite a while I'll show you a liar.

Clearly zergs should just intentionally stop winning games against non-zergs in the MSL. That would make everybody happy. I mean, we wouldn't want to best players to win any titles, would we?

Direct your anger at somebody who can actually do anything about the lack of non-zergs in the last few MSLs, such as the non-zergs. Hope that the non-zergs do better, rather than the zergs doing worse.

Straight up. I don't like Zergs dominating OSL either, but what do you expect? Should Kespa just automatically advance Terrans and Toss?


i dont think theres something wrong with hoping for some racial balance in the tail ends of starleagues. of course its not right for players to intentionally drop games or some ridiculous race quota enforced by kespa, but i too hope that theres a good number of protoss in this osl/msl

i cant remember which one it is (i think its the msl), but i think all of the top 3 zergs are seeded anyway
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
July 08 2011 05:15 GMT
#397
On July 08 2011 13:25 Jumperer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2011 07:09 Xiphos wrote:
On July 08 2011 07:01 Jumperer wrote:
Bisu doesn't win in starleagues because he make excuses too much. It's always the map, it's always the practice, it's always the matchup. In contrast, Look at the attitude of savior, flash, nada, boxer, iloveoov and jaedong. They never, if rarely ever, make an excuse when they win or lose. If something isn't fair, they suck it up and find a way to overcome the odds and make it fair. other champions in other sports have the same quality. For instance, Michael Jordan had the flu and still dominated in NBA final. Tiger woods won a U.S. Open on one leg and played hurt the entire career.

Bisu just doesn't have the attitude of the champion. His mechanics is top class but you need more than that to overcome jaedong and flash. He dominates in proleague because in proleague teams can't really prepare a special build. It's all mechanic against mechanic most of the time. In starleagues, players can easily prepare for bisu's style since he always play the most modern safe build.

Regardless, I consider bisu as the greatest protoss of all time with his 3 MSLs.


Whatever happened to those "attitude" that defeated the dominant Maestro? Or what happened to the attitude that defeated the Mighty and Commanding Twin cannons of KHAN?


Bisu build destroyed savior. Stork and jangbi are silver medal artists and they both said in an old interview that they approach bo5 and bo3 by playing normally like they would play in proleague. The coaching in the KHAN house is pretty bad. Stork didn't win an OSL until he starts playing crazy.


Not sure how you can say this unless you've never watched starcraft until 2009. Keep in mind that even though Samsung is one of the biggest companies in the world, the Khan team is actually not rich. While the T1s and KTs were busying buying all-star teams, January had to build a team that was a mess. She created a finals-worthy team led by veteran JJu(career 52% wins), a brash young rookie protoss named Stork, and created the first true 2v2 tandum. Later went 1-1 in PL finals with Stork/Jangbi/FBH/2v2 team at their peaks.

Khan's biggest problem is that taking out 2v2s destroyed their edge(imagine taking out Sea or Leta from respective PL teams). Plus they could never develop or play against zergs for whatever reason.
Meh
Reyis
Profile Joined August 2009
Pitcairn287 Posts
July 08 2011 05:49 GMT
#398
bisu vs jangbi finals again would be so amazing!
기적의 혁명가 김택용 화이팅~!!
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
July 08 2011 06:14 GMT
#399
People john for Protoss too much. 56% win rate v Terran this Proleague season? PvT is the most unbalanced matchup. Stop crying. And I say that with Bisu my favorite player and Protoss my favorite race.
tryummm
Profile Joined August 2009
774 Posts
July 08 2011 06:18 GMT
#400
On July 08 2011 15:14 KamMoye wrote:
People john for Protoss too much. 56% win rate v Terran this Proleague season? PvT is the most unbalanced matchup. Stop crying. And I say that with Bisu my favorite player and Protoss my favorite race.

Terrans have been slumping really badly...
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