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On July 08 2011 00:53 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 00:07 Mumei wrote:On July 07 2011 22:29 Holgerius wrote:On July 07 2011 22:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
It's been the same 3 zergs, twice: Hydra, Jaedong, ZerO. None of them are "mediocre" by any means; the Only ONE WhO was mediocre and made it to the finals of the MSL was great. Let's take a look at the current OSL then. 9/16 players are Zerg, and that includes hyvaa, Hyuk, Killer, Modesty, SoO and Shine. We've had players such as Kwanro (!!!!!) and great reach Starleague finals for fuck's sake. If anyone tries to tell me Zergs haven't been dominating the Starleauges in general for quite a while I'll show you a liar. Semi-Finals Appearances (2009 Batoo OSL - Current / Lost Saga MSL - Current) + Show Spoiler +Finals Appearances + Show Spoiler +Golds + Show Spoiler +I wonder what the problem with Protoss is. Is it the players choking, maps, or what? I've tried to explain many times but it's simply harder to be consistent with Protoss. PvZ is prehaps the most imbalanced matchup and the one where a better player can easily lose, or Jaedong can win without even fully trying. And PvT is no longer in the P's favour, the top T's have a great record vs P. So P don't have a favoured matchup. They gotta beat their equals in T (who have many tricks for BO5's) and more importantly beat their superiors in PvZ, where Bisu is the only player who can even keep a consistent winrate, and certainly NOT in a Starleague. A P would have to get a supremely lucky bracket or simply play at a godlike level currently to get a Starleague win. They need Bisu proleague level PvZ and somehow the ability to beat possibly Flash/Fantasy/Sea in PvT. Not to mention having to worry about being knocked out but players like Shuttle or Horang2.
SPL 2010-2011
TvZ: 100-90 (52.6%) [ Games ]
ZvP: 114-109 (51.1%) [ Games ]
PvT: 120-94 (56.1%) [ Games ]
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On July 08 2011 01:29 baubo wrote:
In addition, why is it that Bisu and Best never get time to practice for the SLs, and Fantasy gets new custom builds made for him all the time? Dude has a whole bunch of anti-player builds(notably against Stork and Jaedong) while Bisu and Best used 2-base arbiter PvT for seemingly forever. And then Bisu moved on to just copy the safest, standard builds all the time until his opponents can counter him. And when Bisu's on his game, he gets maps like Tears of the Moon to kill him.
I've always thought Bisu given enough practice and team support can achieve Jaedong/Flash status. But alas, he always spends his time getting PL wins for T1, practicing just those few maps and few MUs like a good little boy. Stork OTOH is more of a luck-based contender. He's simply not good enough at PvZ. He'll win with certain cute builds or if the game somehow last for 20 minutes and his macro game kicks in. But in general, he's an underdog against even mediocrities like Roro.
Because Bisu and Best are not nearly as creative as Jaedong and Flash, nor do they have a similarly ingenious coach for their respective race the way Oov has fantasy. I think it's preposterous to assume that they get less time to practice for starleagues than Fantasy -- I mean, it seems you're just assuming that based on their results. It's not that Fantasy gets to shirk PL performance, it's literally that he just has far superior coaching behind him. Oov's the terran coach, not the Bisu coach.
That said, even if Bisu is somehow worse in leagues because of PL, nothing prevents you from being great at both, ala Flash last year and Jaedong the year before that. I truly believe it's either because he is not creative enough, or the protoss race lacks more innovation and builds and tricks to create.
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On July 08 2011 00:02 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 22:53 kuroshiroi wrote:On July 07 2011 22:29 Holgerius wrote:On July 07 2011 22:19 wherebugsgo wrote:It's been the same 3 zergs, twice:  Hydra, Jaedong, ZerO. None of them are "mediocre" by any means; the only one who was mediocre and made it to the finals of the MSL was great. Let's take a look at the current OSL then. 9/16 players are Zerg, and that includes Hyvaa, Hyuk, Killer, Modesty, Soo and Shine. We've had players such as Kwanro (!!!!!) and Great reach Starleague finals for fuck's sake. If anyone tries to tell me Zergs haven't been dominating the Starleauges in general for quite a while I'll show you a liar. Clearly zergs should just intentionally stop winning games against non-zergs in the MSL. That would make everybody happy. I mean, we wouldn't want to best players to win any titles, would we? Direct your anger at somebody who can actually do anything about the lack of non-zergs in the last few MSLs, such as the non-zergs. Hope that the non-zergs do better, rather than the zergs doing worse. I have never said I want the Zergs to throw games or to fail horribly with their own game. I DO want the non-Zergs to step up their game. You're reading way too much into how I expressed myself.
On July 07 2011 21:52 Holgerius wrote:Yay, both Zergs out! 
This is a negative attitude against zerg, instead of being a positive attitude towards Light and Jangbi. I don't think I'm reading too much into it. You don't like ZvZ and you hope they do poorly because you want the non-zergs to be better represented in starleagues. You should hope the non-zergs up their level of play instead. That's a much more positive attitude to have. That's all I'm saying.
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On July 08 2011 01:01 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 00:53 infinity2k9 wrote:On July 08 2011 00:07 Mumei wrote:On July 07 2011 22:29 Holgerius wrote:On July 07 2011 22:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
It's been the same 3 zergs, twice: Hydra, Jaedong, ZerO. None of them are "mediocre" by any means; the Only ONE WhO was mediocre and made it to the finals of the MSL was great. Let's take a look at the current OSL then. 9/16 players are Zerg, and that includes hyvaa, Hyuk, Killer, Modesty, SoO and Shine. We've had players such as Kwanro (!!!!!) and great reach Starleague finals for fuck's sake. If anyone tries to tell me Zergs haven't been dominating the Starleauges in general for quite a while I'll show you a liar. Semi-Finals Appearances (2009 Batoo OSL - Current / Lost Saga MSL - Current) + Show Spoiler +Finals Appearances + Show Spoiler +Golds + Show Spoiler +I wonder what the problem with Protoss is. Is it the players choking, maps, or what? I've tried to explain many times but it's simply harder to be consistent with Protoss. PvZ is prehaps the most imbalanced matchup and the one where a better player can easily lose, or Jaedong can win without even fully trying. And PvT is no longer in the P's favour, the top T's have a great record vs P. So P don't have a favoured matchup. They gotta beat their equals in T (who have many tricks for BO5's) and more importantly beat their superiors in PvZ, where Bisu is the only player who can even keep a consistent winrate, and certainly NOT in a Starleague. A P would have to get a supremely lucky bracket or simply play at a godlike level currently to get a Starleague win. They need Bisu proleague level PvZ and somehow the ability to beat possibly Flash/Fantasy/Sea in PvT. Not to mention having to worry about being knocked out but players like Shuttle or Horang2. Like half of your posts contain some sort of imbalance-whine.
Like half of your posts are uselessly fellating Flash in some way instead of any actual discussion as well. The game ISN'T perfectly balanced and at this point in the games lifespan where it's being played at such a high level the intricacies become more clear. Like White winning 55% over Black in Chess. Unless you have a different explanation for Protoss failure which isn't simply 'they all suck'.
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On July 08 2011 01:32 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 01:29 baubo wrote:
In addition, why is it that Bisu and Best never get time to practice for the SLs, and Fantasy gets new custom builds made for him all the time? Dude has a whole bunch of anti-player builds(notably against Stork and Jaedong) while Bisu and Best used 2-base arbiter PvT for seemingly forever. And then Bisu moved on to just copy the safest, standard builds all the time until his opponents can counter him. And when Bisu's on his game, he gets maps like Tears of the Moon to kill him.
I've always thought Bisu given enough practice and team support can achieve Jaedong/Flash status. But alas, he always spends his time getting PL wins for T1, practicing just those few maps and few MUs like a good little boy. Stork OTOH is more of a luck-based contender. He's simply not good enough at PvZ. He'll win with certain cute builds or if the game somehow last for 20 minutes and his macro game kicks in. But in general, he's an underdog against even mediocrities like Roro. Because Bisu and Best are not nearly as creative as Jaedong and Flash, nor do they have a similarly ingenious coach for their respective race the way Oov has fantasy. I think it's preposterous to assume that they get less time to practice for starleagues than Fantasy -- I mean, it seems you're just assuming that based on their results. It's not that Fantasy gets to shirk PL performance, it's literally that he just has far superior coaching behind him. Oov's the terran coach, not the Bisu coach.
Actually, Bisu has stated a lot in interviews that he doesn't get to practice for SLs much. A lot of T1 players talk about how the team focuses almost exclusively on the proleague.
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Pretty much everyone says that. People only get time off when they're deep in a league, which obviously isn't a thing for Bisu recently.
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On July 08 2011 01:31 saltywet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 00:53 infinity2k9 wrote:On July 08 2011 00:07 Mumei wrote:On July 07 2011 22:29 Holgerius wrote:On July 07 2011 22:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
It's been the same 3 zergs, twice: Hydra, Jaedong, ZerO. None of them are "mediocre" by any means; the Only ONE WhO was mediocre and made it to the finals of the MSL was great. Let's take a look at the current OSL then. 9/16 players are Zerg, and that includes hyvaa, Hyuk, Killer, Modesty, SoO and Shine. We've had players such as Kwanro (!!!!!) and great reach Starleague finals for fuck's sake. If anyone tries to tell me Zergs haven't been dominating the Starleauges in general for quite a while I'll show you a liar. Semi-Finals Appearances (2009 Batoo OSL - Current / Lost Saga MSL - Current) + Show Spoiler +Finals Appearances + Show Spoiler +Golds + Show Spoiler +I wonder what the problem with Protoss is. Is it the players choking, maps, or what? I've tried to explain many times but it's simply harder to be consistent with Protoss. PvZ is prehaps the most imbalanced matchup and the one where a better player can easily lose, or Jaedong can win without even fully trying. And PvT is no longer in the P's favour, the top T's have a great record vs P. So P don't have a favoured matchup. They gotta beat their equals in T (who have many tricks for BO5's) and more importantly beat their superiors in PvZ, where Bisu is the only player who can even keep a consistent winrate, and certainly NOT in a Starleague. A P would have to get a supremely lucky bracket or simply play at a godlike level currently to get a Starleague win. They need Bisu proleague level PvZ and somehow the ability to beat possibly Flash/Fantasy/Sea in PvT. Not to mention having to worry about being knocked out but players like Shuttle or Horang2. SPL 2010-2011 TvZ: 100-90 (52.6%) [ Games ] ZvP: 114-109 (51.1%) [ Games ] PvT: 120-94 (56.1%) [ Games ]
I'm not talking statistics at all. I'm talking the highest level of play. Do stats of RO16 Starleagues and above or something to be relevant to what i'm talking about, even then it doesn't show what happens IN THE GAMES. Because your stats include loads of games that have nothing to do with the peak of the game at all. I know these things from watching the game and seeing with my eyes the effects, the lack of surprise options P has in PvZ, the way Terrans can now deal with Protoss 'tricks' far more efficiently.
Zerg and Terran simcities being perfected (P simcities are better too but to lesser help). Watch how any decent Terran cleans up a recall in the back of their main within seconds now. See them get away with Rax CC. See Zerg's easily do 4 base turtle and overwhelm tosses (they are improving at countering this though).
You can talk in purely statistics of course but what is the point? The number of matchup 'specialists' has always shown the balance clearly. So many PvZ 'specialists' and TvZ specialists. Not as many PvT specialists though prehaps, because it's clear at the highest level P doesn't have some innate advantage over the best few Terrans (which they are almost going to have to face at some point, otherwise it's just zergs which they have a disadvantage to).
Still saying all that, Stork definitely should have had a Starleague and was really heavily countered hard without even thinking it could be the case. Again. So maybe we just do need some smarter top P players. When you see a supposedly A-class P like Stats get rolled by a simple hydra bust in the WL finals it makes you wonder about things.
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On July 08 2011 01:53 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Pretty much everyone says that. People only get time off when they're deep in a league, which obviously isn't a thing for Bisu recently.
Unless you have clear evidence as to how you re viewing the matter in the right angle and the rest of us (not everyone, but many) are not, i will prefer to take Bisu's word as the truth, that he somewhat resent the fact that he was not given enough time to prepare for his individual leagues. I dont see any point in reading between the lines when there was no reason to do so in the first place.
As for the Protoss matter, from what i discuss with a friend of mine, it is probably that the Protoss race doesnt reward preparation as well as T or Z, or they simply arent designed to have so many funky tricks. Thats why they do well in PL where there are only 2-3 days to prepare for any given match, but falter when each sides are given more time to prepare, like in the Starleagues.
Plus i also agree with Infinity that PvT is the most balanced match-ups across all 3 non-mirrors. Good T looks like then are on even footings w Ps, but good Ps (think Stork, among others) always look like they are on the back foot vs Z. I know TL has many Z players that think ZvT is the hardest non-mirror, but imho, PvZ is worse.
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^ I have always felt that protoss only has an advantage against terran if they can surprise them. I guess this happens much more often in PL than in the SLs.
But hey, Jangbi is back now!
Edit: I remember Bisu saying something like maps being good for protoss in the beginning in PvT and then becoming harder to play on for protoss as the maps get figured out..
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jesus christ Jangbi is tearing everyone up like it's nothing. It took JAEDONG to stop his winning from looking like Flash 2010.
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Honestly I think the problem with protoss is that they lack build diversity. All protoss has is early game cheese, but that is easily defendible these days. They don't have the powerful mid-game timing builds that T and Z have, which makes them weak in BoX series where builds and mindgames are the key factor.
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On July 08 2011 02:04 ffreakk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 01:53 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Pretty much everyone says that. People only get time off when they're deep in a league, which obviously isn't a thing for Bisu recently. Unless you have clear evidence as to how you re viewing the matter in the right angle and the rest of us (not everyone, but many) are not, i will prefer to take Bisu's word as the truth, that he somewhat resent the fact that he was not given enough time to prepare for his individual leagues. I dont see any point in reading between the lines when there was no reason to do so in the first place.
That wasn't my point. My point was that EVERY player is told by their coaches to prioritize proleague over individual leagues, and the vast majority of players mention that in their interviews. Bisu isn't the only one. Said players get a waiver when they make a deep run: Bisu included, back in Clubday. Bisu shouldn't be considered special in this matter because he's Bisu. It's so dismissive of other players to the point of insult.
Plus i also agree with Infinity that PvT is the most balanced match-ups across all 3 non-mirrors. Good T looks like then are on even footings w Ps, but good Ps (think Stork, among others) always look like they are on the back foot vs Z. I know TL has many Z players that think ZvT is the hardest non-mirror, but imho, PvZ is worse.
There's practically nothing to prove this, though, when ZvT has statistically always been the worst. And in spite of this, the game is still dominated by zergs. I think that is the bigger problem. It's not that PvZ is the worst matchup, it is that Protosses are exposed and forced to play more of their weaker matchups than the other two because there's so many zergs qualifying and succeeding in starleagues: This is because there are no consistent mid level terrans combating the mid level zergs. Terran has been in a long slump of solid newcomers, or even mediocre players who get good draws, the best they have is, what, Bogus?
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Poor Hyun.... but grats Light! Indifferent about the others.
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On July 08 2011 02:54 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 02:04 ffreakk wrote:On July 08 2011 01:53 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Pretty much everyone says that. People only get time off when they're deep in a league, which obviously isn't a thing for Bisu recently. Unless you have clear evidence as to how you re viewing the matter in the right angle and the rest of us (not everyone, but many) are not, i will prefer to take Bisu's word as the truth, that he somewhat resent the fact that he was not given enough time to prepare for his individual leagues. I dont see any point in reading between the lines when there was no reason to do so in the first place. That wasn't my point. My point was that EVERY player is told by their coaches to prioritize proleague over individual leagues, and the vast majority of players mention that in their interviews. Bisu isn't the only one. Said players get a waiver when they make a deep run: Bisu included, back in Clubday. Bisu shouldn't be considered special in this matter because he's Bisu. It's so dismissive of other players to the point of insult. Show nested quote +Plus i also agree with Infinity that PvT is the most balanced match-ups across all 3 non-mirrors. Good T looks like then are on even footings w Ps, but good Ps (think Stork, among others) always look like they are on the back foot vs Z. I know TL has many Z players that think ZvT is the hardest non-mirror, but imho, PvZ is worse. There's practically nothing to prove this, though, when ZvT has statistically always been the worst. And in spite of this, the game is still dominated by zergs. I think that is the bigger problem. It's not that PvZ is the worst matchup, it is that Protosses are exposed and forced to play more of their weaker matchups than the other two because there's so many zergs qualifying and succeeding in starleagues: This is because there are no consistent mid level terrans combating the mid level zergs. Terran has been in a long slump of solid newcomers, or even mediocre players who get good draws, the best they have is, what, Bogus?
Yes Terran is the hardest mechanically and this effects and joins into everything i say as well. While i was talking about the highest level play Terran has equal footing with P it's only a few players capable then a giant gap of non-capable players. All of the things we are saying are partially coming together to create a tough situation where Zergs have it easier in the leagues.
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On July 08 2011 02:09 Elroi wrote:
^ I have always felt that protoss only has an advantage against terran if they can surprise them. I guess this happens much more often in PL than in the SLs.
But hey, Jangbi is back now!
Edit: I remember Bisu saying something like maps being good for protoss in the beginning in PvT and then becoming harder to play on for protoss as the maps get figured out..
Let's just keep in mind this means the highest level of PvT though. At any other level it's hard for the T to even manage a good enough push while the P laughs and a-moves while macroing another round of units. Even lower A-team high B-team games can look like this. See Wooki vs some T noob the other day on a T favoured map. Wooki never looked like losing.
It's Flash and a few other players that have these invincible defences, perfect scouting to surprises, perfect arbiter cleanups, then a mech ball that's almost impossible to beat. BeSt style can do it (on the right map) but look what happens when BeSt doesn't get his favoured game situation (vs Flash on Fortress) he gets ripped apart. In a Bo5 it's Terran who will likely have the tricks up their sleeves. Even if you pull off one win Bisu on Aztec style, there's barely any other surprise builds or trickiness midgame that works against the top T's (which really only means Fantasy/Flash sometimes HiyA and the odd game from every other top T when they pull off everything with no mistakes).
This reminds me of that HiyA v Free series. How refreshing and crazy overall. I think imperfect play is more interesting and maybe its not so great the mechanical levels reached. I don't like seeing games won or lost on single errors, i like errors all the times to make up for it.
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On July 08 2011 02:04 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 01:31 saltywet wrote:On July 08 2011 00:53 infinity2k9 wrote:On July 08 2011 00:07 Mumei wrote:On July 07 2011 22:29 Holgerius wrote:On July 07 2011 22:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
It's been the same 3 zergs, twice: Hydra, Jaedong, ZerO. None of them are "mediocre" by any means; the Only ONE WhO was mediocre and made it to the finals of the MSL was great. Let's take a look at the current OSL then. 9/16 players are Zerg, and that includes hyvaa, Hyuk, Killer, Modesty, SoO and Shine. We've had players such as Kwanro (!!!!!) and great reach Starleague finals for fuck's sake. If anyone tries to tell me Zergs haven't been dominating the Starleauges in general for quite a while I'll show you a liar. Semi-Finals Appearances (2009 Batoo OSL - Current / Lost Saga MSL - Current) + Show Spoiler +Finals Appearances + Show Spoiler +Golds + Show Spoiler +I wonder what the problem with Protoss is. Is it the players choking, maps, or what? I've tried to explain many times but it's simply harder to be consistent with Protoss. PvZ is prehaps the most imbalanced matchup and the one where a better player can easily lose, or Jaedong can win without even fully trying. And PvT is no longer in the P's favour, the top T's have a great record vs P. So P don't have a favoured matchup. They gotta beat their equals in T (who have many tricks for BO5's) and more importantly beat their superiors in PvZ, where Bisu is the only player who can even keep a consistent winrate, and certainly NOT in a Starleague. A P would have to get a supremely lucky bracket or simply play at a godlike level currently to get a Starleague win. They need Bisu proleague level PvZ and somehow the ability to beat possibly Flash/Fantasy/Sea in PvT. Not to mention having to worry about being knocked out but players like Shuttle or Horang2. SPL 2010-2011 TvZ: 100-90 (52.6%) [ Games ] ZvP: 114-109 (51.1%) [ Games ] PvT: 120-94 (56.1%) [ Games ] I'm not talking statistics at all. I'm talking the highest level of play. Do stats of RO16 Starleagues and above or something to be relevant to what i'm talking about, even then it doesn't show what happens IN THE GAMES. Because your stats include loads of games that have nothing to do with the peak of the game at all. I know these things from watching the game and seeing with my eyes the effects, the lack of surprise options P has in PvZ, the way Terrans can now deal with Protoss 'tricks' far more efficiently. Zerg and Terran simcities being perfected (P simcities are better too but to lesser help). Watch how any decent Terran cleans up a recall in the back of their main within seconds now. See them get away with Rax CC. See Zerg's easily do 4 base turtle and overwhelm tosses (they are improving at countering this though). You can talk in purely statistics of course but what is the point? The number of matchup 'specialists' has always shown the balance clearly. So many PvZ 'specialists' and TvZ specialists. Not as many PvT specialists though prehaps, because it's clear at the highest level P doesn't have some innate advantage over the best few Terrans (which they are almost going to have to face at some point, otherwise it's just zergs which they have a disadvantage to). Still saying all that, Stork definitely should have had a Starleague and was really heavily countered hard without even thinking it could be the case. Again. So maybe we just do need some smarter top P players. When you see a supposedly A-class P like Stats get rolled by a simple hydra bust in the WL finals it makes you wonder about things.
About Protoss "tricks..." I seem to recall a thread where someone had mentioned a korean commentator throwing ideas about PvT back between 09-Present.
He had mentioned things like placing cannons in awkward spots to catch the terran offguard, making more use of the lategame proxy (robo,stargate, templar) and of course map pools.
What about hallucination, or massing up late game scouts with the speed upgrade and adding them into the ground army or use them to snipe important targets similar to mutas (similar to carriers...maybe just use carriers). Then, there's recall options, it could be used to pull units home instead of staying with the army or even ramming an arbiter in the middle of a push and recalling speedlots/templar there.
There's also mass shuttles, as seen from Shy recently.
Hell, proxy gates and go for a timing push.
There's plenty of things Protoss users can attempt to work into the gameplay. Not all may be viable but it's worth attempting. People thought queens were bogus at first and now they appear semi-regularly.
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On July 08 2011 03:04 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 02:54 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 08 2011 02:04 ffreakk wrote:On July 08 2011 01:53 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Pretty much everyone says that. People only get time off when they're deep in a league, which obviously isn't a thing for Bisu recently. Unless you have clear evidence as to how you re viewing the matter in the right angle and the rest of us (not everyone, but many) are not, i will prefer to take Bisu's word as the truth, that he somewhat resent the fact that he was not given enough time to prepare for his individual leagues. I dont see any point in reading between the lines when there was no reason to do so in the first place. That wasn't my point. My point was that EVERY player is told by their coaches to prioritize proleague over individual leagues, and the vast majority of players mention that in their interviews. Bisu isn't the only one. Said players get a waiver when they make a deep run: Bisu included, back in Clubday. Bisu shouldn't be considered special in this matter because he's Bisu. It's so dismissive of other players to the point of insult. Plus i also agree with Infinity that PvT is the most balanced match-ups across all 3 non-mirrors. Good T looks like then are on even footings w Ps, but good Ps (think Stork, among others) always look like they are on the back foot vs Z. I know TL has many Z players that think ZvT is the hardest non-mirror, but imho, PvZ is worse. There's practically nothing to prove this, though, when ZvT has statistically always been the worst. And in spite of this, the game is still dominated by zergs. I think that is the bigger problem. It's not that PvZ is the worst matchup, it is that Protosses are exposed and forced to play more of their weaker matchups than the other two because there's so many zergs qualifying and succeeding in starleagues: This is because there are no consistent mid level terrans combating the mid level zergs. Terran has been in a long slump of solid newcomers, or even mediocre players who get good draws, the best they have is, what, Bogus? Yes Terran is the hardest mechanically and this effects and joins into everything i say as well. While i was talking about the highest level play Terran has equal footing with P it's only a few players capable then a giant gap of non-capable players. All of the things we are saying are partially coming together to create a tough situation where Zergs have it easier in the leagues.
You keep saying the top terrans are great and TvP, but this is true for all progamers. Bisu is good at PvZ, Stork has beaten many a zerg in his title berths, Kal and Free did it recently when they were the best protosses last year. I legitimately think the only difference is Flash and Jaedong are special players, more than anything. I mean, what had terran done before Flash in 2010? 2 year drought since ForGG's MSL, it was looking like terran was by far the weakest race in modern times because Zergs had figured ZvT out and Protosses were surging.
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Yay for JANGBI
I hope he does this good in our PL playoffs too. JangBi keeps this up + Stork revives = good shot at SPL 2011 title!
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