EPTOn July 07 2011 22:37 Holgerius wrote:
How about a Flash vs Bisu final? Couldn't that be sweet?
How about a Flash vs Bisu final? Couldn't that be sweet?
NO! I want Flash vs Stork, and that's Final!
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
NO! I want Flash vs Stork, and that's Final! | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On July 07 2011 22:37 Holgerius wrote: How about a Flash vs Bisu final? Couldn't that be sweet? I prefer a Bisu vs Jaedong finals, it plays more to my Beesuit's strength :p. Despite the fact that Zergs have so many silly tricks vs P its not even funny. Oh and my sister thinks that Bisu is super hot :3 | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On July 07 2011 22:39 ffreakk wrote: I prefer a Bisu vs Jaedong finals, it plays more to my Beesuit's strength :p. Despite the fact that Zergs have so many silly tricks vs P its not even funny. Oh and my sister thinks that Bisu is super hot :3 + Show Spoiler + Yeah....so do I....  | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On July 07 2011 22:39 ffreakk wrote: I prefer a Bisu vs Jaedong finals, it plays more to my Beesuit's strength :p. Despite the fact that Zergs have so many silly tricks vs P its not even funny. Oh and my sister thinks that Bisu is super hot :3 But imagine what a glorious moment it would be for Bisu if he took down Flash. ^__^ | ||
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kuroshiroi
3149 Posts
On July 07 2011 22:29 Holgerius wrote: Let's take a look at the current OSL then. 9/16 players are Zerg, and that includes Hyvaa, Hyuk, Killer, Modesty, Soo and Shine. We've had players such as Kwanro (!!!!!) and Great reach Starleague finals for fuck's sake. If anyone tries to tell me Zergs haven't been dominating the Starleauges in general for quite a while I'll show you a liar. Clearly zergs should just intentionally stop winning games against non-zergs in the MSL. That would make everybody happy. I mean, we wouldn't want to best players to win any titles, would we? Direct your anger at somebody who can actually do anything about the lack of non-zergs in the last few MSLs, such as the non-zergs. Hope that the non-zergs do better, rather than the zergs doing worse. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
 Actually, I want them to make a map like Monty Hall period. There's been a severe lack of funky maps lately. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
But you know what really needs to come back? Fighting Spirit! | ||
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kuroshiroi
3149 Posts
On July 07 2011 23:00 baubo wrote: Indeed~Or they could bring back maps like Central Plains and Monty Hall. The MSL producers could easily get less zergy maps if they don't like ZvZ. Kind of weird that they haven't. | ||
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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Legatus Lanius
2135 Posts
besides, itd be nice to see more protoss taking titles | ||
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chisuri
Vietnam789 Posts
On July 07 2011 22:37 Holgerius wrote: How about a Flash vs Bisu final? Couldn't that be sweet? Of course Bisu beats Flash to bring the balance to Protoss and Brood War world will be the glorious day for everyone. All good people in the world are looking forward to that day, and it is coming- the (finally) end of Flash (read:evil) and the final achievement of the hero-Bisu who has passed all the ordeal of life to become the savior (TRUE savior). | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On July 07 2011 22:53 kuroshiroi wrote: Clearly zergs should just intentionally stop winning games against non-zergs in the MSL. That would make everybody happy. I mean, we wouldn't want to best players to win any titles, would we? Direct your anger at somebody who can actually do anything about the lack of non-zergs in the last few MSLs, such as the non-zergs. Hope that the non-zergs do better, rather than the zergs doing worse. I have never said I want the Zergs to throw games or to fail horribly with their own game. I DO want the non-Zergs to step up their game. You're reading way too much into how I expressed myself. | ||
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Mumei
United States270 Posts
On July 07 2011 22:29 Holgerius wrote: Let's take a look at the current OSL then. 9/16 players are Zerg, and that includes hyvaa, Hyuk, Killer, Modesty, SoO and Shine. We've had players such as Kwanro (!!!!!) and great reach Starleague finals for fuck's sake. If anyone tries to tell me Zergs haven't been dominating the Starleauges in general for quite a while I'll show you a liar. Semi-Finals Appearances (2009 Batoo OSL - Current / Lost Saga MSL - Current) + Show Spoiler +  Jaedong (9) (Advanced 6/9) Flash (7) (Advanced 7/7)Fantasy (4) (Advanced 2/4)Calm (4) (Advanced 1/4) Stork (3) (Advanced 1/3)ZerO (3) (Advanced 1/3)Hydra (2) (Advanced 1/2)Kwanro (2) (Advanced 1/2)free (2) (Advanced 0/2)Kal (2) (Advanced 0/2)EffOrt (1) (Advanced 1/1)great (1) (Advanced 1/1)JangBi (1) (Advanced 1/1)Luxury (1) (Advanced 1/1)Movie (1) (Advanced 1/1)YellOw[ArnC] (1) (Advanced 1/1)Bisu (1) (Advanced 0/1)by.hero (1) (Advanced 0/1)Iris (1) (Advanced 0/1)Light (1) (Advanced 0/1)Modesty (1) (Advanced 0/1)Pure (1) (Advanced 0/1)Shine (1) (Advanced 0/1)type-b (1) (Advanced 0/1)Finals Appearances + Show Spoiler + Golds + Show Spoiler + I wonder what the problem with Protoss is. Is it the players choking, maps, or what? | ||
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Dandy4
United States493 Posts
On July 08 2011 00:07 Mumei wrote: Semi-Finals Appearances (2009 Batoo OSL - Current / Lost Saga MSL - Current) + Show Spoiler + Jaedong (9) (Advanced 6/9)Flash (7) (Advanced 7/7)Fantasy (4) (Advanced 2/4)Calm (4) (Advanced 1/4)Stork (3) (Advanced 1/3)ZerO (3) (Advanced 1/3)Hydra (2) (Advanced 1/2)Kwanro (2) (Advanced 1/2)free (2) (Advanced 0/2)Kal (2) (Advanced 0/2)EffOrt (1) (Advanced 1/1)great (1) (Advanced 1/1)JangBi (1) (Advanced 1/1)Luxury (1) (Advanced 1/1)Movie (1) (Advanced 1/1)YellOw[ArnC] (1) (Advanced 1/1)Bisu (1) (Advanced 0/1)by.hero (1) (Advanced 0/1)Iris (1) (Advanced 0/1)Light (1) (Advanced 0/1)Modesty (1) (Advanced 0/1)Pure (1) (Advanced 0/1)Shine (1) (Advanced 0/1)type-b (1) (Advanced 0/1)Finals Appearances + Show Spoiler + Golds + Show Spoiler + I wonder what the problem with Protoss is. Is it the players choking, maps, or what? I think Flash only has 3 golds... | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
No, during this period mentioned he has 5. | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On July 08 2011 00:07 Mumei wrote: Semi-Finals Appearances (2009 Batoo OSL - Current / Lost Saga MSL - Current) + Show Spoiler + Jaedong (9) (Advanced 6/9)Flash (7) (Advanced 7/7)Fantasy (4) (Advanced 2/4)Calm (4) (Advanced 1/4)Stork (3) (Advanced 1/3)ZerO (3) (Advanced 1/3)Hydra (2) (Advanced 1/2)Kwanro (2) (Advanced 1/2)free (2) (Advanced 0/2)Kal (2) (Advanced 0/2)EffOrt (1) (Advanced 1/1)great (1) (Advanced 1/1)JangBi (1) (Advanced 1/1)Luxury (1) (Advanced 1/1)Movie (1) (Advanced 1/1)YellOw[ArnC] (1) (Advanced 1/1)Bisu (1) (Advanced 0/1)by.hero (1) (Advanced 0/1)Iris (1) (Advanced 0/1)Light (1) (Advanced 0/1)Modesty (1) (Advanced 0/1)Pure (1) (Advanced 0/1)Shine (1) (Advanced 0/1)type-b (1) (Advanced 0/1)Finals Appearances + Show Spoiler + Golds + Show Spoiler + I wonder what the problem with Protoss is. Is it the players choking, maps, or what? Seeing how the protoss race perform so well in proleague, it's definitely the players and sometimes it could be the maps. It's by no means the race itself. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On July 08 2011 00:07 Mumei wrote: Semi-Finals Appearances (2009 Batoo OSL - Current / Lost Saga MSL - Current) + Show Spoiler + Jaedong (9) (Advanced 6/9)Flash (7) (Advanced 7/7)Fantasy (4) (Advanced 2/4)Calm (4) (Advanced 1/4)Stork (3) (Advanced 1/3)ZerO (3) (Advanced 1/3)Hydra (2) (Advanced 1/2)Kwanro (2) (Advanced 1/2)free (2) (Advanced 0/2)Kal (2) (Advanced 0/2)EffOrt (1) (Advanced 1/1)great (1) (Advanced 1/1)JangBi (1) (Advanced 1/1)Luxury (1) (Advanced 1/1)Movie (1) (Advanced 1/1)YellOw[ArnC] (1) (Advanced 1/1)Bisu (1) (Advanced 0/1)by.hero (1) (Advanced 0/1)Iris (1) (Advanced 0/1)Light (1) (Advanced 0/1)Modesty (1) (Advanced 0/1)Pure (1) (Advanced 0/1)Shine (1) (Advanced 0/1)type-b (1) (Advanced 0/1)Finals Appearances + Show Spoiler + Golds + Show Spoiler + I wonder what the problem with Protoss is. Is it the players choking, maps, or what? I've tried to explain many times but it's simply harder to be consistent with Protoss. PvZ is prehaps the most imbalanced matchup and the one where a better player can easily lose, or Jaedong can win without even fully trying. And PvT is no longer in the P's favour, the top T's have a great record vs P. So P don't have a favoured matchup. They gotta beat their equals in T (who have many tricks for BO5's) and more importantly beat their superiors in PvZ, where Bisu is the only player who can even keep a consistent winrate, and certainly NOT in a Starleague. A P would have to get a supremely lucky bracket or simply play at a godlike level currently to get a Starleague win. They need Bisu proleague level PvZ and somehow the ability to beat possibly Flash/Fantasy/Sea in PvT. Not to mention having to worry about being knocked out but players like Shuttle or Horang2. | ||
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Dakkas
2550 Posts
Just so he can get another silver? What kind of fan are you? | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On July 08 2011 00:53 infinity2k9 wrote: I've tried to explain many times but it's simply harder to be consistent with Protoss. PvZ is prehaps the most imbalanced matchup and the one where a better player can easily lose, or Jaedong can win without even fully trying. And PvT is no longer in the P's favour, the top T's have a great record vs P. So P don't have a favoured matchup. They gotta beat their equals in T (who have many tricks for BO5's) and more importantly beat their superiors in PvZ, where Bisu is the only player who can even keep a consistent winrate, and certainly NOT in a Starleague. A P would have to get a supremely lucky bracket or simply play at a godlike level currently to get a Starleague win. They need Bisu proleague level PvZ and somehow the ability to beat possibly Flash/Fantasy/Sea in PvT. Not to mention having to worry about being knocked out but players like Shuttle or Horang2. Like half of your posts contain some sort of imbalance-whine. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
In addition, why is it that Bisu and Best never get time to practice for the SLs, and Fantasy gets new custom builds made for him all the time? Dude has a whole bunch of anti-player builds(notably against Stork and Jaedong) while Bisu and Best used 2-base arbiter PvT for seemingly forever. Bisu always seem to use the safest, most boringly standard builds all the time until his opponents can counter him. And when Bisu's on his game, he gets maps like Tears of the Moon to kill him. I've always thought Bisu given enough practice and team support can achieve Jaedong/Flash status. But alas, he always spends his time getting PL wins for T1, practicing just those few maps and few MUs like a good little boy. Stork OTOH is more of a luck-based contender. He's simply not good enough at PvZ. He'll win with certain cute builds or if the game somehow last for 20 minutes and his macro game kicks in. But in general, he's an underdog against even mediocrities like Roro. | ||
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