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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
July 07 2011 13:38 GMT
#341
On July 07 2011 22:37 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 22:31 Lightwip wrote:
Less Zergs this MSL... Now we just need Flash out and it can potentially be a pretty cool MSL.

How about a Flash vs Bisu final? Couldn't that be sweet?


NO! I want Flash vs Stork, and that's Final!
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
July 07 2011 13:39 GMT
#342
On July 07 2011 22:37 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 22:31 Lightwip wrote:
Less Zergs this MSL... Now we just need Flash out and it can potentially be a pretty cool MSL.

How about a Flash vs Bisu final? Couldn't that be sweet?


I prefer a Bisu vs Jaedong finals, it plays more to my Beesuit's strength :p. Despite the fact that Zergs have so many silly tricks vs P its not even funny.

Oh and my sister thinks that Bisu is super hot :3
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
July 07 2011 13:41 GMT
#343
On July 07 2011 22:39 ffreakk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 22:37 Holgerius wrote:
On July 07 2011 22:31 Lightwip wrote:
Less Zergs this MSL... Now we just need Flash out and it can potentially be a pretty cool MSL.

How about a Flash vs Bisu final? Couldn't that be sweet?


I prefer a Bisu vs Jaedong finals, it plays more to my Beesuit's strength :p. Despite the fact that Zergs have so many silly tricks vs P its not even funny.

Oh and my sister thinks that Bisu is super hot :3


+ Show Spoiler +
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Yeah....so do I....
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 07 2011 13:46 GMT
#344
On July 07 2011 22:39 ffreakk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 22:37 Holgerius wrote:
On July 07 2011 22:31 Lightwip wrote:
Less Zergs this MSL... Now we just need Flash out and it can potentially be a pretty cool MSL.

How about a Flash vs Bisu final? Couldn't that be sweet?


I prefer a Bisu vs Jaedong finals, it plays more to my Beesuit's strength :p. Despite the fact that Zergs have so many silly tricks vs P its not even funny.

Oh and my sister thinks that Bisu is super hot :3

But imagine what a glorious moment it would be for Bisu if he took down Flash. ^__^
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
July 07 2011 13:53 GMT
#345
On July 07 2011 22:29 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 22:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
It's been the same 3 zergs, twice: (Z)Hydra, (Z)Jaedong, (Z)ZerO. None of them are "mediocre" by any means; the only one who was mediocre and made it to the finals of the MSL was (Z)great.

Let's take a look at the current OSL then. 9/16 players are Zerg, and that includes Hyvaa, Hyuk, Killer, Modesty, Soo and Shine. We've had players such as Kwanro (!!!!!) and Great reach Starleague finals for fuck's sake. If anyone tries to tell me Zergs haven't been dominating the Starleauges in general for quite a while I'll show you a liar.

Clearly zergs should just intentionally stop winning games against non-zergs in the MSL. That would make everybody happy. I mean, we wouldn't want to best players to win any titles, would we?

Direct your anger at somebody who can actually do anything about the lack of non-zergs in the last few MSLs, such as the non-zergs. Hope that the non-zergs do better, rather than the zergs doing worse.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
July 07 2011 14:00 GMT
#346
Or they could bring back maps like Central Plains and Monty Hall.

Actually, I want them to make a map like Monty Hall period. There's been a severe lack of funky maps lately.
Meh
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
July 07 2011 14:03 GMT
#347
Triathlon was the only cool recent map, and they decided to get rid of it.
But you know what really needs to come back? Fighting Spirit!
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
July 07 2011 14:03 GMT
#348
On July 07 2011 23:00 baubo wrote:
Or they could bring back maps like Central Plains and Monty Hall.
Indeed~

The MSL producers could easily get less zergy maps if they don't like ZvZ. Kind of weird that they haven't.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
July 07 2011 14:05 GMT
#349
Jangbi!!!! So happy.
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
July 07 2011 14:49 GMT
#350
im just sick of so many dropkick zergs that cant zvt making it far in the msl (not talking about zero or jaedong or zergs of that caliber, mind you.) i like a good racial balance because i hate mirror maps of any kind, even if its between two top level players like stork and bisu.

besides, itd be nice to see more protoss taking titles
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
chisuri
Profile Joined January 2010
Vietnam789 Posts
July 07 2011 14:57 GMT
#351
On July 07 2011 22:37 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 22:31 Lightwip wrote:
Less Zergs this MSL... Now we just need Flash out and it can potentially be a pretty cool MSL.

How about a Flash vs Bisu final? Couldn't that be sweet?

Of course Bisu beats Flash to bring the balance to Protoss and Brood War world will be the glorious day for everyone. All good people in the world are looking forward to that day, and it is coming- the (finally) end of Flash (read:evil) and the final achievement of the hero-Bisu who has passed all the ordeal of life to become the savior (TRUE savior).
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 07 2011 15:02 GMT
#352
On July 07 2011 22:53 kuroshiroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 22:29 Holgerius wrote:
On July 07 2011 22:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
It's been the same 3 zergs, twice: (Z)Hydra, (Z)Jaedong, (Z)ZerO. None of them are "mediocre" by any means; the only one who was mediocre and made it to the finals of the MSL was (Z)great.

Let's take a look at the current OSL then. 9/16 players are Zerg, and that includes Hyvaa, Hyuk, Killer, Modesty, Soo and Shine. We've had players such as Kwanro (!!!!!) and Great reach Starleague finals for fuck's sake. If anyone tries to tell me Zergs haven't been dominating the Starleauges in general for quite a while I'll show you a liar.

Clearly zergs should just intentionally stop winning games against non-zergs in the MSL. That would make everybody happy. I mean, we wouldn't want to best players to win any titles, would we?

Direct your anger at somebody who can actually do anything about the lack of non-zergs in the last few MSLs, such as the non-zergs. Hope that the non-zergs do better, rather than the zergs doing worse.

I have never said I want the Zergs to throw games or to fail horribly with their own game. I DO want the non-Zergs to step up their game. You're reading way too much into how I expressed myself.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Mumei
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States270 Posts
July 07 2011 15:07 GMT
#353
On July 07 2011 22:29 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 22:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
It's been the same 3 zergs, twice: Hydra, Jaedong, ZerO. None of them are "mediocre" by any means; the Only ONE WhO was mediocre and made it to the finals of the MSL was great.

Let's take a look at the current OSL then. 9/16 players are Zerg, and that includes hyvaa, Hyuk, Killer, Modesty, SoO and Shine. We've had players such as Kwanro (!!!!!) and great reach Starleague finals for fuck's sake. If anyone tries to tell me Zergs haven't been dominating the Starleauges in general for quite a while I'll show you a liar.


Semi-Finals Appearances (2009 Batoo OSL - Current / Lost Saga MSL - Current)
+ Show Spoiler +
(Z)Jaedong (9) (Advanced 6/9)
(T)Flash (7) (Advanced 7/7)
(T)Fantasy (4) (Advanced 2/4)
(Z)Calm (4) (Advanced 1/4)
(P)Stork (3) (Advanced 1/3)
(Z)ZerO (3) (Advanced 1/3)
(Z)Hydra (2) (Advanced 1/2)
(Z)Kwanro (2) (Advanced 1/2)
(P)free (2) (Advanced 0/2)
(P)Kal (2) (Advanced 0/2)
(Z)EffOrt (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(Z)great (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(P)JangBi (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(Z)Luxury (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(P)Movie (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(P)Bisu (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(Z)by.hero (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(T)Iris (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(T)Light (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(Z)Modesty (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(P)Pure (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(Z)Shine (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(Z)type-b (1) (Advanced 0/1)


Finals Appearances
+ Show Spoiler +

(T)Flash (7) (Won 5/7)
(Z)Jaedong (6) (Won 3/6)
(T)Fantasy (2) (Won 1/2)
(Z)Calm (1) (Won 1/1)
(Z)EffOrt (1) (Won 1/1)
(Z)Hydra (1) (Won 1/1)
(Z)Luxury (1) (Won 1/1)
(Z)great (1) (Won 0/1)
(P)JangBi (1) (Won 0/1)
(Z)Kwanro (1) (Won 0/1)
(P)Movie (1) (Won 0/1)
(P)Stork (1) (Won 0/1)
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] (1) (Won 0/1)
(Z)ZerO (1) (Won 0/1)


Golds
+ Show Spoiler +
(T)Flash - 5
(Z)Jaedong - 3
(Z)Calm - 1
(Z)EffOrt - 1
(T)Fantasy - 1
(Z)Hydra - 1
(Z)Luxury - 1


I wonder what the problem with Protoss is. Is it the players choking, maps, or what?
Dandy4
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States493 Posts
July 07 2011 15:34 GMT
#354
On July 08 2011 00:07 Mumei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 22:29 Holgerius wrote:
On July 07 2011 22:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
It's been the same 3 zergs, twice: Hydra, Jaedong, ZerO. None of them are "mediocre" by any means; the Only ONE WhO was mediocre and made it to the finals of the MSL was great.

Let's take a look at the current OSL then. 9/16 players are Zerg, and that includes hyvaa, Hyuk, Killer, Modesty, SoO and Shine. We've had players such as Kwanro (!!!!!) and great reach Starleague finals for fuck's sake. If anyone tries to tell me Zergs haven't been dominating the Starleauges in general for quite a while I'll show you a liar.


Semi-Finals Appearances (2009 Batoo OSL - Current / Lost Saga MSL - Current)
+ Show Spoiler +
(Z)Jaedong (9) (Advanced 6/9)
(T)Flash (7) (Advanced 7/7)
(T)Fantasy (4) (Advanced 2/4)
(Z)Calm (4) (Advanced 1/4)
(P)Stork (3) (Advanced 1/3)
(Z)ZerO (3) (Advanced 1/3)
(Z)Hydra (2) (Advanced 1/2)
(Z)Kwanro (2) (Advanced 1/2)
(P)free (2) (Advanced 0/2)
(P)Kal (2) (Advanced 0/2)
(Z)EffOrt (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(Z)great (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(P)JangBi (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(Z)Luxury (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(P)Movie (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(P)Bisu (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(Z)by.hero (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(T)Iris (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(T)Light (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(Z)Modesty (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(P)Pure (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(Z)Shine (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(Z)type-b (1) (Advanced 0/1)


Finals Appearances
+ Show Spoiler +

(T)Flash (7) (Won 5/7)
(Z)Jaedong (6) (Won 3/6)
(T)Fantasy (2) (Won 1/2)
(Z)Calm (1) (Won 1/1)
(Z)EffOrt (1) (Won 1/1)
(Z)Hydra (1) (Won 1/1)
(Z)Luxury (1) (Won 1/1)
(Z)great (1) (Won 0/1)
(P)JangBi (1) (Won 0/1)
(Z)Kwanro (1) (Won 0/1)
(P)Movie (1) (Won 0/1)
(P)Stork (1) (Won 0/1)
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] (1) (Won 0/1)
(Z)ZerO (1) (Won 0/1)


Golds
+ Show Spoiler +
(T)Flash - 5
(Z)Jaedong - 3
(Z)Calm - 1
(Z)EffOrt - 1
(T)Fantasy - 1
(Z)Hydra - 1
(Z)Luxury - 1


I wonder what the problem with Protoss is. Is it the players choking, maps, or what?



I think Flash only has 3 golds...
Who let the dogs out?
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 07 2011 15:35 GMT
#355
On July 08 2011 00:34 Dandy4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2011 00:07 Mumei wrote:
On July 07 2011 22:29 Holgerius wrote:
On July 07 2011 22:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
It's been the same 3 zergs, twice: Hydra, Jaedong, ZerO. None of them are "mediocre" by any means; the Only ONE WhO was mediocre and made it to the finals of the MSL was great.

Let's take a look at the current OSL then. 9/16 players are Zerg, and that includes hyvaa, Hyuk, Killer, Modesty, SoO and Shine. We've had players such as Kwanro (!!!!!) and great reach Starleague finals for fuck's sake. If anyone tries to tell me Zergs haven't been dominating the Starleauges in general for quite a while I'll show you a liar.


Semi-Finals Appearances (2009 Batoo OSL - Current / Lost Saga MSL - Current)
+ Show Spoiler +
(Z)Jaedong (9) (Advanced 6/9)
(T)Flash (7) (Advanced 7/7)
(T)Fantasy (4) (Advanced 2/4)
(Z)Calm (4) (Advanced 1/4)
(P)Stork (3) (Advanced 1/3)
(Z)ZerO (3) (Advanced 1/3)
(Z)Hydra (2) (Advanced 1/2)
(Z)Kwanro (2) (Advanced 1/2)
(P)free (2) (Advanced 0/2)
(P)Kal (2) (Advanced 0/2)
(Z)EffOrt (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(Z)great (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(P)JangBi (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(Z)Luxury (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(P)Movie (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(P)Bisu (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(Z)by.hero (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(T)Iris (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(T)Light (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(Z)Modesty (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(P)Pure (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(Z)Shine (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(Z)type-b (1) (Advanced 0/1)


Finals Appearances
+ Show Spoiler +

(T)Flash (7) (Won 5/7)
(Z)Jaedong (6) (Won 3/6)
(T)Fantasy (2) (Won 1/2)
(Z)Calm (1) (Won 1/1)
(Z)EffOrt (1) (Won 1/1)
(Z)Hydra (1) (Won 1/1)
(Z)Luxury (1) (Won 1/1)
(Z)great (1) (Won 0/1)
(P)JangBi (1) (Won 0/1)
(Z)Kwanro (1) (Won 0/1)
(P)Movie (1) (Won 0/1)
(P)Stork (1) (Won 0/1)
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] (1) (Won 0/1)
(Z)ZerO (1) (Won 0/1)


Golds
+ Show Spoiler +
(T)Flash - 5
(Z)Jaedong - 3
(Z)Calm - 1
(Z)EffOrt - 1
(T)Fantasy - 1
(Z)Hydra - 1
(Z)Luxury - 1


I wonder what the problem with Protoss is. Is it the players choking, maps, or what?



I think Flash only has 3 golds...

No, during this period mentioned he has 5.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
July 07 2011 15:43 GMT
#356
On July 08 2011 00:07 Mumei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 22:29 Holgerius wrote:
On July 07 2011 22:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
It's been the same 3 zergs, twice: Hydra, Jaedong, ZerO. None of them are "mediocre" by any means; the Only ONE WhO was mediocre and made it to the finals of the MSL was great.

Let's take a look at the current OSL then. 9/16 players are Zerg, and that includes hyvaa, Hyuk, Killer, Modesty, SoO and Shine. We've had players such as Kwanro (!!!!!) and great reach Starleague finals for fuck's sake. If anyone tries to tell me Zergs haven't been dominating the Starleauges in general for quite a while I'll show you a liar.


Semi-Finals Appearances (2009 Batoo OSL - Current / Lost Saga MSL - Current)
+ Show Spoiler +
(Z)Jaedong (9) (Advanced 6/9)
(T)Flash (7) (Advanced 7/7)
(T)Fantasy (4) (Advanced 2/4)
(Z)Calm (4) (Advanced 1/4)
(P)Stork (3) (Advanced 1/3)
(Z)ZerO (3) (Advanced 1/3)
(Z)Hydra (2) (Advanced 1/2)
(Z)Kwanro (2) (Advanced 1/2)
(P)free (2) (Advanced 0/2)
(P)Kal (2) (Advanced 0/2)
(Z)EffOrt (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(Z)great (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(P)JangBi (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(Z)Luxury (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(P)Movie (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(P)Bisu (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(Z)by.hero (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(T)Iris (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(T)Light (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(Z)Modesty (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(P)Pure (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(Z)Shine (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(Z)type-b (1) (Advanced 0/1)


Finals Appearances
+ Show Spoiler +

(T)Flash (7) (Won 5/7)
(Z)Jaedong (6) (Won 3/6)
(T)Fantasy (2) (Won 1/2)
(Z)Calm (1) (Won 1/1)
(Z)EffOrt (1) (Won 1/1)
(Z)Hydra (1) (Won 1/1)
(Z)Luxury (1) (Won 1/1)
(Z)great (1) (Won 0/1)
(P)JangBi (1) (Won 0/1)
(Z)Kwanro (1) (Won 0/1)
(P)Movie (1) (Won 0/1)
(P)Stork (1) (Won 0/1)
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] (1) (Won 0/1)
(Z)ZerO (1) (Won 0/1)


Golds
+ Show Spoiler +
(T)Flash - 5
(Z)Jaedong - 3
(Z)Calm - 1
(Z)EffOrt - 1
(T)Fantasy - 1
(Z)Hydra - 1
(Z)Luxury - 1


I wonder what the problem with Protoss is. Is it the players choking, maps, or what?


Seeing how the protoss race perform so well in proleague, it's definitely the players and sometimes it could be the maps. It's by no means the race itself.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
July 07 2011 15:53 GMT
#357
On July 08 2011 00:07 Mumei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 22:29 Holgerius wrote:
On July 07 2011 22:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
It's been the same 3 zergs, twice: Hydra, Jaedong, ZerO. None of them are "mediocre" by any means; the Only ONE WhO was mediocre and made it to the finals of the MSL was great.

Let's take a look at the current OSL then. 9/16 players are Zerg, and that includes hyvaa, Hyuk, Killer, Modesty, SoO and Shine. We've had players such as Kwanro (!!!!!) and great reach Starleague finals for fuck's sake. If anyone tries to tell me Zergs haven't been dominating the Starleauges in general for quite a while I'll show you a liar.


Semi-Finals Appearances (2009 Batoo OSL - Current / Lost Saga MSL - Current)
+ Show Spoiler +
(Z)Jaedong (9) (Advanced 6/9)
(T)Flash (7) (Advanced 7/7)
(T)Fantasy (4) (Advanced 2/4)
(Z)Calm (4) (Advanced 1/4)
(P)Stork (3) (Advanced 1/3)
(Z)ZerO (3) (Advanced 1/3)
(Z)Hydra (2) (Advanced 1/2)
(Z)Kwanro (2) (Advanced 1/2)
(P)free (2) (Advanced 0/2)
(P)Kal (2) (Advanced 0/2)
(Z)EffOrt (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(Z)great (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(P)JangBi (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(Z)Luxury (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(P)Movie (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(P)Bisu (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(Z)by.hero (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(T)Iris (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(T)Light (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(Z)Modesty (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(P)Pure (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(Z)Shine (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(Z)type-b (1) (Advanced 0/1)


Finals Appearances
+ Show Spoiler +

(T)Flash (7) (Won 5/7)
(Z)Jaedong (6) (Won 3/6)
(T)Fantasy (2) (Won 1/2)
(Z)Calm (1) (Won 1/1)
(Z)EffOrt (1) (Won 1/1)
(Z)Hydra (1) (Won 1/1)
(Z)Luxury (1) (Won 1/1)
(Z)great (1) (Won 0/1)
(P)JangBi (1) (Won 0/1)
(Z)Kwanro (1) (Won 0/1)
(P)Movie (1) (Won 0/1)
(P)Stork (1) (Won 0/1)
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] (1) (Won 0/1)
(Z)ZerO (1) (Won 0/1)


Golds
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(T)Flash - 5
(Z)Jaedong - 3
(Z)Calm - 1
(Z)EffOrt - 1
(T)Fantasy - 1
(Z)Hydra - 1
(Z)Luxury - 1


I wonder what the problem with Protoss is. Is it the players choking, maps, or what?


I've tried to explain many times but it's simply harder to be consistent with Protoss.

PvZ is prehaps the most imbalanced matchup and the one where a better player can easily lose, or Jaedong can win without even fully trying. And PvT is no longer in the P's favour, the top T's have a great record vs P. So P don't have a favoured matchup. They gotta beat their equals in T (who have many tricks for BO5's) and more importantly beat their superiors in PvZ, where Bisu is the only player who can even keep a consistent winrate, and certainly NOT in a Starleague.

A P would have to get a supremely lucky bracket or simply play at a godlike level currently to get a Starleague win. They need Bisu proleague level PvZ and somehow the ability to beat possibly Flash/Fantasy/Sea in PvT. Not to mention having to worry about being knocked out but players like Shuttle or Horang2.
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
July 07 2011 15:57 GMT
#358
On July 07 2011 22:38 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2011 22:37 Holgerius wrote:
On July 07 2011 22:31 Lightwip wrote:
Less Zergs this MSL... Now we just need Flash out and it can potentially be a pretty cool MSL.

How about a Flash vs Bisu final? Couldn't that be sweet?


NO! I want Flash vs Stork, and that's Final!


Just so he can get another silver? What kind of fan are you?
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 07 2011 16:01 GMT
#359
On July 08 2011 00:53 infinity2k9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2011 00:07 Mumei wrote:
On July 07 2011 22:29 Holgerius wrote:
On July 07 2011 22:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
It's been the same 3 zergs, twice: Hydra, Jaedong, ZerO. None of them are "mediocre" by any means; the Only ONE WhO was mediocre and made it to the finals of the MSL was great.

Let's take a look at the current OSL then. 9/16 players are Zerg, and that includes hyvaa, Hyuk, Killer, Modesty, SoO and Shine. We've had players such as Kwanro (!!!!!) and great reach Starleague finals for fuck's sake. If anyone tries to tell me Zergs haven't been dominating the Starleauges in general for quite a while I'll show you a liar.


Semi-Finals Appearances (2009 Batoo OSL - Current / Lost Saga MSL - Current)
+ Show Spoiler +
(Z)Jaedong (9) (Advanced 6/9)
(T)Flash (7) (Advanced 7/7)
(T)Fantasy (4) (Advanced 2/4)
(Z)Calm (4) (Advanced 1/4)
(P)Stork (3) (Advanced 1/3)
(Z)ZerO (3) (Advanced 1/3)
(Z)Hydra (2) (Advanced 1/2)
(Z)Kwanro (2) (Advanced 1/2)
(P)free (2) (Advanced 0/2)
(P)Kal (2) (Advanced 0/2)
(Z)EffOrt (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(Z)great (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(P)JangBi (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(Z)Luxury (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(P)Movie (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] (1) (Advanced 1/1)
(P)Bisu (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(Z)by.hero (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(T)Iris (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(T)Light (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(Z)Modesty (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(P)Pure (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(Z)Shine (1) (Advanced 0/1)
(Z)type-b (1) (Advanced 0/1)


Finals Appearances
+ Show Spoiler +

(T)Flash (7) (Won 5/7)
(Z)Jaedong (6) (Won 3/6)
(T)Fantasy (2) (Won 1/2)
(Z)Calm (1) (Won 1/1)
(Z)EffOrt (1) (Won 1/1)
(Z)Hydra (1) (Won 1/1)
(Z)Luxury (1) (Won 1/1)
(Z)great (1) (Won 0/1)
(P)JangBi (1) (Won 0/1)
(Z)Kwanro (1) (Won 0/1)
(P)Movie (1) (Won 0/1)
(P)Stork (1) (Won 0/1)
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] (1) (Won 0/1)
(Z)ZerO (1) (Won 0/1)


Golds
+ Show Spoiler +
(T)Flash - 5
(Z)Jaedong - 3
(Z)Calm - 1
(Z)EffOrt - 1
(T)Fantasy - 1
(Z)Hydra - 1
(Z)Luxury - 1


I wonder what the problem with Protoss is. Is it the players choking, maps, or what?


I've tried to explain many times but it's simply harder to be consistent with Protoss.

PvZ is prehaps the most imbalanced matchup and the one where a better player can easily lose, or Jaedong can win without even fully trying. And PvT is no longer in the P's favour, the top T's have a great record vs P. So P don't have a favoured matchup. They gotta beat their equals in T (who have many tricks for BO5's) and more importantly beat their superiors in PvZ, where Bisu is the only player who can even keep a consistent winrate, and certainly NOT in a Starleague.

A P would have to get a supremely lucky bracket or simply play at a godlike level currently to get a Starleague win. They need Bisu proleague level PvZ and somehow the ability to beat possibly Flash/Fantasy/Sea in PvT. Not to mention having to worry about being knocked out but players like Shuttle or Horang2.

Like half of your posts contain some sort of imbalance-whine.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 16:32:59
July 07 2011 16:29 GMT
#360
Protoss should have a gold the past OSL season, except Stork decided he should use the same freaking builds and be "standard" for the freaking finals against a player with a think tank behind him. I have never been so disappointed in Stork as that finals. I could stand him playing WOW, losing to random noobs in the PL, and dying all sorts of cheese, but that finals against Fantasy was just horrible to watch as a Stork fan.

In addition, why is it that Bisu and Best never get time to practice for the SLs, and Fantasy gets new custom builds made for him all the time? Dude has a whole bunch of anti-player builds(notably against Stork and Jaedong) while Bisu and Best used 2-base arbiter PvT for seemingly forever. Bisu always seem to use the safest, most boringly standard builds all the time until his opponents can counter him. And when Bisu's on his game, he gets maps like Tears of the Moon to kill him.

I've always thought Bisu given enough practice and team support can achieve Jaedong/Flash status. But alas, he always spends his time getting PL wins for T1, practicing just those few maps and few MUs like a good little boy. Stork OTOH is more of a luck-based contender. He's simply not good enough at PvZ. He'll win with certain cute builds or if the game somehow last for 20 minutes and his macro game kicks in. But in general, he's an underdog against even mediocrities like Roro.
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