I expect Baby to win the first match, unless Hyuk can pull out an upset. While upsets in this match would be suprising it wouldnt be as suprising if free beats hero, hero has descent vP and has been a consistent addition to STX's lineup, while free has been slumping and not appearing on woongjins lineup at all. Maybe free has dedicated all practice time to individual leagues but nevertheless i expect free to loose the first match. The winners match I expect Baby to win, gladiator is a balanced map tvz with terran in a 3 game favor so the map wont help hero. Baby 2-0 The loser's match I expect Hyuk to eliminate free, the map is perfect for hyuk's preferred hydra - ling heavy ZvP, free 0-2 The final match would then be a toss up between Hero and Hyuk with build orders, even though I expect Hyuk to win given mirror build orders.
Hmm, bad idea for Hyuk to keep moving forwards with his lurkers after all the lings died - he finishes off the rest of the army but lost more lurkers than necessary
Could someone tell me why terrans always switch to mech in the endgame these days? Wouldn't it be smarter to just go 2port vessels with more upgraded MnM, you could carry the upgrades you get in the early game into the late game.
a pretty big force of tanks heading out Baby using his last mnm to attack towards outside Hyuk's choke - Hyuk with the swarms - lings drag a few mines into tanks! but the rest of the lings just die to mines
On July 01 2011 20:35 Xpeijz wrote: Could someone tell me why terrans always switch to mech in the endgame these days? Wouldn't it be smarter to just go 2port vessels with more upgraded MnM, you could carry the upgrades you get in the early game into the late game.
early m&m + vessels gives you the map control and expansion denying alonside with drops -> vulture mines deny the lurker+defiler+ling forwarding and sneak attacking -> mass tanks rape ultras, and zerg doesnt have the necessary upgrades to deal with mech at this point. It's really a bitch to fight against.
On July 01 2011 20:35 Xpeijz wrote: Could someone tell me why terrans always switch to mech in the endgame these days? Wouldn't it be smarter to just go 2port vessels with more upgraded MnM, you could carry the upgrades you get in the early game into the late game.
Because a hive tech Zerg with a 4+ gas economy rapes bio play.
hyuk with so many fail with his muta/ling in the mid-game. And then when Baby had a chance to finish the game in 10-15 minutes, he decide to make the game twice as long by switching to mech. It's like watching one of those bad TvT where one side gets a huge advantage and the other side stays for another 20 minutes before gg.
On July 01 2011 20:44 baubo wrote: Horrible, horrible game.
hyuk with so many fail with his muta/ling in the mid-game. And then when Baby had a chance to finish the game in 10-15 minutes, he decide to make the game twice as long by switching to mech. It's like watching one of those bad TvT where one side gets a huge advantage and the other side stays for another 20 minutes before gg.
It's almost like Baby did his best to lose, yet Hyuk put his foot down and said he was more determined.
On July 01 2011 20:48 Holgerius wrote: Meh, you're giving Baby too much shit here IMO.
He did play it pretty sloppy. He had the econ and army to crush Hyuk yet he still struggled. His TvZs used to be much better. Then again, he hasn't TvZ'd in ages (televised) so he's probably a bit rusty.
On July 01 2011 20:48 Holgerius wrote: Meh, you're giving Baby too much shit here IMO.
Two or three fail erasers for no real reason streched the game out at least 10 more minutes.
'Cept eraser "failures" means the defender was defending appropriately?
The perspective should be: a successful eraser is a failure on the part of the zerg, rather than a failed eraser is a failure on the part of the terran.
On July 01 2011 20:48 Holgerius wrote: Meh, you're giving Baby too much shit here IMO.
He did play it pretty sloppy. He had the econ and army to crush Hyuk yet he still struggled. His TvZs used to be much better. Then again, he hasn't TvZ'd in ages (televised) so he's probably a bit rusty.
Well if you're going to compare Baby's play to his own peak all his matchups are sloppy nowadays.
On July 01 2011 20:48 Holgerius wrote: Meh, you're giving Baby too much shit here IMO.
Not sure why you feel that way. Baby had the typical 3-tank/SV push at a time when hyuk was on lair tech. Then hyuk's first attack failed. This situation is basically a your prototypical won-game for terran.
If it wasn't for the bio-mech craze, a normal terran would just stream his army into the natural and beat it down. Or at least kill the 3rd. Either way, Baby skipped the normal pre-defiler timing to make his mech transition. In the process dragged the game out another 10 minutes.
On July 01 2011 20:48 Holgerius wrote: Meh, you're giving Baby too much shit here IMO.
He did play it pretty sloppy. He had the econ and army to crush Hyuk yet he still struggled. His TvZs used to be much better. Then again, he hasn't TvZ'd in ages (televised) so he's probably a bit rusty.
Well if you're going to compare Baby's play to his own peak all his matchups are sloppy nowadays.
I'm not talking about his peak, just where he was in earlier rounds this season. He's a solid player overall, I expect solid play from him. His last TvZ was vs JD 2 months ago, and over 3 months for the game before that. He's been TvTings and TvPing exclusively for a while now.
On July 01 2011 20:54 Spica wrote: Oh lord almighty, even if free passes through, having only 3 Protoss in the Ro16 is just... QQ
The top5 protoss players didn't even qualify.I don't expect anything from the protosses here,expecting TvZ - s nad mirrors from quarter-finals onwards.
On July 01 2011 20:54 Spica wrote: Oh lord almighty, even if free passes through, having only 3 Protoss in the Ro16 is just... QQ
it's not the worst scenario you know i rememmber there was OSL with only one protoss - Reach. After he was eliminated i stopped following that starleague...
On July 01 2011 20:54 Spica wrote: Oh lord almighty, even if free passes through, having only 3 Protoss in the Ro16 is just... QQ
The top5 protoss players didn't even qualify.I don't expect anything from the protosses here,expecting TvZ - s nad mirrors from quarter-finals onwards.
On July 01 2011 20:48 Holgerius wrote: Meh, you're giving Baby too much shit here IMO.
Two or three fail erasers for no real reason streched the game out at least 10 more minutes.
'Cept eraser "failures" means the defender was defending appropriately?
The perspective should be: a successful eraser is a failure on the part of the zerg, rather than a failed eraser is a failure on the part of the terran.
Guess you are right, but I still feel it was a bad decision.
On July 01 2011 20:54 Spica wrote: Oh lord almighty, even if free passes through, having only 3 Protoss in the Ro16 is just... QQ
The top5 protoss players didn't even qualify.I don't expect anything from the protosses here,expecting TvZ - s nad mirrors from quarter-finals onwards.
Hydra check outside Free's nat - Free has no 3rd yet
lots of hydra getting stormed as they fight on the SW ridge 2 retreating templar get picked off though, the zealots don't tank for them as they run away faster
wow that was an awesome commercial. 1st person view of some mma dude gettin his ass whooped. I wonder if that was real with some kind of helmet cam or just acting.
On July 01 2011 21:13 pvzvt wrote: hero dodging skill were equivalent to helen keller and his hydra control... last engagement they were stuck for like 15 seconds not shooting
On July 01 2011 21:13 pvzvt wrote: hero dodging skill were equivalent to helen keller and his hydra control... last engagement they were stuck for like 15 seconds not shooting
Ty adding 4th/5th factories, goon/obs moves to clear out Free's 3rd of enemies Ty moves out with 5 tanks 2 marines and a bunch of vultures, Free's goons eat a few hits, along with 1 slow zealot
Hero loses 2 more lings to mutas, Hero ends his mutas back towards his main as 6 lings come - 3 lings stall on Hero's nat but 4 make it into his main again No drone kills this time
On July 01 2011 22:11 Holgerius wrote: Rooting for Free. The Zerg infestation (all these mediocre Zergs whose only function is to knock-out Protoss players) must end.
On July 01 2011 22:11 Holgerius wrote: Rooting for Free. The Zerg infestation (all these mediocre Zergs whose only function is to knock-out Protoss players) must end.
On July 01 2011 22:11 Holgerius wrote: Rooting for Free. The Zerg infestation (all these mediocre Zergs whose only function is to knock-out Protoss players) must end.
Amen.
Says the guy with a Zerg icon...? Unless you're tired of the Zerg infestation as well, lol.
It's becoming so bad that even Zergs can't stand it anymore!
I was going to feel bad for Free, but then I remembered last year, when he had an upcoming finals or semi-finals against Flash, said in an interview that "he'll show us the strength of Protoss", and then proceeded to go 14-Nexus every single game and lose something like 0-3. Screw Free.
Bah, figured, since Hyuk's ZvP is actually semi-decent.
I hope you get punished for your actions Hyuk... By getting booted out of the OSL by your fellow teammate Fantasy again. The cruelest fate of all, getting knocked out by your own teammate for the umpteenth time, even worse than facing the humiliation of getting cheesed!
It's a cruel fate to wish upon someone, but really, having only 2 Protoss left in the OSL is a crime... -__-
Much thanks to Iplaythings for making the threads and to nanashin for streaming!
On July 01 2011 22:30 Dakkas wrote: The ninja expansions totally saved him. So another SKT player makes it but protoss are already an endangered species.........
I'm so conflicted!
Are you talking about Hyuk? It's rather typical for zergs to take another nat/main vs Protoss nowadays.
Long long time ago protosses were defending their new expansions until they had at least 7-8 cannons ready there and they were leaving at least 1 templar to guard with the cannons. Who could have thought that there is reasoning behind it? Obviously not the nowadays protosses
On July 01 2011 22:37 vance wrote: So much Zerg, big trouble for defending champion Fantasy.
At least we still has Flash...yeah I know, he is SKT's main nemesis but still, someone has to beat dem Zergs. And he will lose to JD eventually, I like JD, he is nice, very nice in fact. If only he doesn't lose to another Zerg...
On July 01 2011 22:31 SkimGuy wrote: Hyuk is surprisingly good at ZvP
playing against Bisu on a daily basis gotta do something for your ZvP
(also look at his stas, it's his matchup that's on par with the other brilliant zergs)
And I blame him practicing with Fantasy for his atrocious ZvT lately! No wonder!
Also s2! and soO's vT is nothing to write home about either
I too think that SKT (especially lately) lacking good TvZers kinda brings down both sides, ooV better think of something fast...put that legendary TvZ record to use boya!
On July 01 2011 22:31 Spica wrote: Bah, figured, since Hyuk's ZvP is actually semi-decent.
I hope you get punished for your actions Hyuk... By getting booted out of the OSL by your fellow teammate Fantasy again. The cruelest fate of all, getting knocked out by your own teammate for the umpteenth time, even worse than facing the humiliation of getting cheesed!
It's a cruel fate to wish upon someone, but really, having only 2 Protoss left in the OSL is a crime... -__-
Much thanks to Iplaythings for making the threads and to nanashin for streaming!
On July 01 2011 22:31 SkimGuy wrote: Hyuk is surprisingly good at ZvP
playing against Bisu on a daily basis gotta do something for your ZvP
(also look at his stas, it's his matchup that's on par with the other brilliant zergs)
And I blame him practicing with Fantasy for his atrocious ZvT lately! No wonder!
Also s2! and soO's vT is nothing to write home about either
I too think that SKT (especially lately) lacking good TvZers kinda brings down both sides, ooV better think of something fast...put that legendary TvZ record to use boya!
I bet that oov's still beating their sorry butts in TvZ; in fact beating them one-handed with his non-injured hand, and thus they're so traumatized by their losses that they forgot how to win ZvT again.
On July 01 2011 22:31 Spica wrote: Bah, figured, since Hyuk's ZvP is actually semi-decent.
I hope you get punished for your actions Hyuk... By getting booted out of the OSL by your fellow teammate Fantasy again. The cruelest fate of all, getting knocked out by your own teammate for the umpteenth time, even worse than facing the humiliation of getting cheesed!
It's a cruel fate to wish upon someone, but really, having only 2 Protoss left in the OSL is a crime... -__-
Much thanks to Iplaythings for making the threads and to nanashin for streaming!
That's a bit unexpected, coming from you.
I don't think that either Hyuk or free can go far, but even if we see free struggling in the Ro16 or higher against more Terrans and Zergs, at least he'll save us from some endless TvZs, TvTs, and ZvZs. :/
On July 01 2011 22:31 Spica wrote: Bah, figured, since Hyuk's ZvP is actually semi-decent.
I hope you get punished for your actions Hyuk... By getting booted out of the OSL by your fellow teammate Fantasy again. The cruelest fate of all, getting knocked out by your own teammate for the umpteenth time, even worse than facing the humiliation of getting cheesed!
It's a cruel fate to wish upon someone, but really, having only 2 Protoss left in the OSL is a crime... -__-
Much thanks to Iplaythings for making the threads and to nanashin for streaming!
That's a bit unexpected, coming from you.
I don't think that either Hyuk or free can go far, but even if we see free struggling in the Ro16 or higher against more Terrans and Zergs, at least he'll save us from some endless TvZs, TvTs, and ZvZs. :/
He may (help) eliminate Flash, though. He's done that before, you know...
On July 01 2011 22:31 Spica wrote: Bah, figured, since Hyuk's ZvP is actually semi-decent.
I hope you get punished for your actions Hyuk... By getting booted out of the OSL by your fellow teammate Fantasy again. The cruelest fate of all, getting knocked out by your own teammate for the umpteenth time, even worse than facing the humiliation of getting cheesed!
It's a cruel fate to wish upon someone, but really, having only 2 Protoss left in the OSL is a crime... -__-
Much thanks to Iplaythings for making the threads and to nanashin for streaming!
That's a bit unexpected, coming from you.
I don't think that either Hyuk or free can go far, but even if we see free struggling in the Ro16 or higher against more Terrans and Zergs, at least he'll save us from some endless TvZs, TvTs, and ZvZs. :/
He may (help) eliminate Flash, though. He's done that before, you know...
Well, I guess I should hope for miracles too...
Like the return of Jangbi!
JANGBI YOU HAVE TO TAKE THIS OSL, PLEASE FOR THE LONG-TIME ABSENCE OF A PROTOSS OSL WINNER. DDD:
On July 01 2011 22:31 SkimGuy wrote: Hyuk is surprisingly good at ZvP
playing against Bisu on a daily basis gotta do something for your ZvP
(also look at his stas, it's his matchup that's on par with the other brilliant zergs)
And I blame him practicing with Fantasy for his atrocious ZvT lately! No wonder!
Also s2! and soO's vT is nothing to write home about either
I too think that SKT (especially lately) lacking good TvZers kinda brings down both sides, ooV better think of something fast...put that legendary TvZ record to use boya!
I bet that oov's still beating their sorry butts in TvZ; in fact beating them one-handed with his non-injured hand, and thus they're so traumatized by their losses that they forgot how to win ZvT again.
I really shouldn't have laughed as loud as i did, because that actually might be true
On July 01 2011 22:30 Dakkas wrote: The ninja expansions totally saved him. So another SKT player makes it but protoss are already an endangered species.........
I'm so conflicted!
Are you talking about Hyuk? It's rather typical for zergs to take another nat/main vs Protoss nowadays.
He took the bottom-left expo before his own nat is what I meant. I don't think free ever scouted it
On July 01 2011 22:55 M2 wrote: If I understand correct we have 2 protosses - Jangbi and Stork, right?
Yup, which is the reason why I'm so upset right now.
And like what endy said, the OSL staff will find some way to pit them against each other and knock one of them out. -.-
Fortunatelly they are from a same team so they ll put them separately for the group stages, but most likely if the qualify they ll meet immediately after)
even though we have 2 protosses,Jangbi and stork,Jangbi has been on a tear recently and I honestly think he will make it to the Ro4 unless hes put in a group which has both Flash and Jaedong.
On July 01 2011 22:55 M2 wrote: If I understand correct we have 2 protosses - Jangbi and Stork, right?
Yup, which is the reason why I'm so upset right now.
And like what endy said, the OSL staff will find some way to pit them against each other and knock one of them out. -.-
Fortunatelly they are from a same team so they ll put them separately for the group stages, but most likely if the qualify they ll meet immediately after)
It could be random drawing again, which could lead to all groups having teamkills..
On July 01 2011 22:55 M2 wrote: If I understand correct we have 2 protosses - Jangbi and Stork, right?
Yup, which is the reason why I'm so upset right now.
And like what endy said, the OSL staff will find some way to pit them against each other and knock one of them out. -.-
Fortunatelly they are from a same team so they ll put them separately for the group stages, but most likely if the qualify they ll meet immediately after)
It could be random drawing again, which could lead to all groups having teamkills..
On July 01 2011 23:04 BLinD-RawR wrote: even though we have 2 protosses,Jangbi and stork,Jangbi has been on a tear recently and I honestly think he will make it to the Ro4 unless hes put in a group which has both Flash and Jaedong.
I think it's way too early to put such expectations on Jangbi.
Or if you dump Jangbi in an all zerg group. No matter how good he is right now, he's still protoss and all of the zergs currently in the OSL are all very good at ZvP in some capacity.
On July 01 2011 23:04 BLinD-RawR wrote: even though we have 2 protosses,Jangbi and stork,Jangbi has been on a tear recently and I honestly think he will make it to the Ro4 unless hes put in a group which has both Flash and Jaedong.
I think it's way too early to put such expectations on Jangbi.
On July 01 2011 23:20 Womwomwom wrote: Or if you dump Jangbi in an all zerg group. No matter how good he is right now, he's still protoss and all of the zergs currently in the OSL are all very good at ZvP in some capacity.
Hong Jin Ho has declared so. Jangbi is taking gold.
On July 01 2011 23:53 Crabman123 wrote: We really need some P favored or anti Z maps. Because the amount of zergs doing well in the individual leagues is unreal. + Show Spoiler +
P favored maps pls, to long without a P winning a SL
On July 01 2011 23:53 Crabman123 wrote: We really need some P favored or anti Z maps. Because the amount of zergs doing well in the individual leagues is unreal. + Show Spoiler +
P favored maps pls, to long without a P winning a SL
Central Plain... Dreamliner is quite good for PvT also. Polaris Rhapsody deserves another chance, we actually have an in form Bisu now. He missed that map last year slumping so hard.
On July 01 2011 23:53 Crabman123 wrote: We really need some P favored or anti Z maps. Because the amount of zergs doing well in the individual leagues is unreal. + Show Spoiler +
P favored maps pls, to long without a P winning a SL
Central Plain... Dreamliner is quite good for PvT also. Polaris Rhapsody deserves another chance, we actually have an in form Bisu now. He missed that map last year slumping so hard.
central plains would be sweet. Though dreamliner would be baaad since that map reeks of zerg imba ^^
Bring back outsider if you want some zerg favored stuff back, not dreamliner
On July 01 2011 23:53 Crabman123 wrote: We really need some P favored or anti Z maps. Because the amount of zergs doing well in the individual leagues is unreal. + Show Spoiler +
P favored maps pls, to long without a P winning a SL
Central Plain... Dreamliner is quite good for PvT also. Polaris Rhapsody deserves another chance, we actually have an in form Bisu now. He missed that map last year slumping so hard.
you want to kill terran while you're at it? terran aren't doing too well either. i'll put it one way, the next best terran after flash is fantasy (lolol). dreamliner will probably increase the number of zergs because z >>> t
and why so much anti zerg everyone? we get pwned by terran, it's only fair. don't even hint that zvp is imba. blame all the idiot protosses who focus only on pvt because of flash. bisu has shown pvz is possible.
best: HERP DERP i only practice pvt because my sole goal in BW is to beat flash rather than actually furthering my career. i then lose to zergs like non-fat hero and hoejja (although hoejja is doing pretty well lately, historically he has been lolbad)
On July 01 2011 23:53 Crabman123 wrote: We really need some P favored or anti Z maps. Because the amount of zergs doing well in the individual leagues is unreal. + Show Spoiler +
P favored maps pls, to long without a P winning a SL
Central Plain... Dreamliner is quite good for PvT also. Polaris Rhapsody deserves another chance, we actually have an in form Bisu now. He missed that map last year slumping so hard.
you want to kill terran while you're at it? terran aren't doing too well either. i'll put it one way, the next best terran after flash is fantasy (lolol). dreamliner will probably increase the number of zergs because z >>> t
and why so much anti zerg everyone? we get pwned by terran, it's only fair. don't even hint that zvp is imba. blame all the idiot protosses who focus only on pvt because of flash. bisu has shown pvz is possible.
best: HERP DERP i only practice pvt because my sole goal in BW is to beat flash rather than actually furthering my career. i then lose to zergs like non-fat hero and hoejja (although hoejja is doing pretty well lately, historically he has been lolbad)
Most people have aversions to ZvZ bo5s. It pissed me off sometimes.
On July 01 2011 23:53 Crabman123 wrote: We really need some P favored or anti Z maps. Because the amount of zergs doing well in the individual leagues is unreal. + Show Spoiler +
P favored maps pls, to long without a P winning a SL
Central Plain... Dreamliner is quite good for PvT also. Polaris Rhapsody deserves another chance, we actually have an in form Bisu now. He missed that map last year slumping so hard.
you want to kill terran while you're at it? terran aren't doing too well either. i'll put it one way, the next best terran after flash is fantasy (lolol). dreamliner will probably increase the number of zergs because z >>> t
and why so much anti zerg everyone? we get pwned by terran, it's only fair. don't even hint that zvp is imba. blame all the idiot protosses who focus only on pvt because of flash. bisu has shown pvz is possible.
best: HERP DERP i only practice pvt because my sole goal in BW is to beat flash rather than actually furthering my career. i then lose to zergs like non-fat hero and hoejja (although hoejja is doing pretty well lately, historically he has been lolbad)
Most people have aversions to ZvZ bo5s. It pissed me off sometimes.
zvz is my favourite match up. jaedong proved it wasn't just a coinflip (although some would argue his semi finals against zero would suggest otherwise lol).
On July 02 2011 01:38 Lightwip wrote: Hyuk continuing his streak of somehow getting far in OSL but doing literally nothing else of note in the scene(except being a captain ofc).
On July 02 2011 01:38 Lightwip wrote: Hyuk continuing his streak of somehow getting far in OSL but doing literally nothing else of note in the scene(except being a captain ofc).
Wasn't Hyuk a key part of their 09 PL win?
Yes, in final he bet JD, but in regular season it was Canata who contributed more.
On July 02 2011 01:38 Lightwip wrote: Hyuk continuing his streak of somehow getting far in OSL but doing literally nothing else of note in the scene(except being a captain ofc).
Wasn't Hyuk a key part of their 09 PL win?
Yes, in final he bet JD, but in regular season it was Canata who contributed more.
Hyuk also serves as a great coach for the rest of the team. Glad he does well in SL.
On July 02 2011 01:38 Lightwip wrote: Hyuk continuing his streak of somehow getting far in OSL but doing literally nothing else of note in the scene(except being a captain ofc).
Wasn't Hyuk a key part of their 09 PL win?
Yes, in final he bet JD, but in regular season it was Canata who contributed more.
Hyuk also serves as a great coach for the rest of the team. Glad he does well in SL.
Yes, I noticed that since Hyuk became captain, SKT zergs have improved a lot.
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