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On June 22 2011 20:59 gngfn wrote: All the smiling from Flash every time he loses is getting a little insulting at this point. You can do that when you lose one game in ten, not when you're 4-6. It's really pathetic that Flash smiling upsets you.
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On June 22 2011 21:01 Kyuki wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 20:59 tabula rasa wrote: correct me if i'm wrong, but flash couldn't make a cc because his marines spawned outside of his base, leading them to be immediately devoured by lings. he needed another barracks to produce marines. although i'm not sure why he kept producing marines from his first barracks This is pretty much correct and also the reason why JD 7 pooled. Very clever tbh, had Flash played greedy he'd have a very hard time vs agression, so he choose to play safe, something JD pretty much expected and droned up and got lair even before speed. Sick mindgames going on.
Are you sure that the marines would spawn outside the wall in all starting locations? If not you can't say it was the reason behind the 7pool. Looked more like a blind attempt to kill a 14cc, Flash has been using that for his last few vZ games.
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On June 22 2011 21:02 Kyuki wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 21:01 TwoToneTerran wrote:On June 22 2011 21:00 Kyuki wrote:On June 22 2011 20:57 TwoToneTerran wrote: Absolutely the worst game I've ever seen flash play, skillwise. You could argue that for most matches that Flash wins his opponent plays the worst game of his life. That's what happens when you get dominated, you get offsync. Considering how this game went, I think Flash actually did a really good job. Flash doesn't play worse because he's playing Jaedong, Flash literally just played completely lost that entire game and it was pathetic to watch. If you told me Skyhigh was playing that game I would not have blinked because that's the exact quality of output he had. Flash did an atrocious job and was so far below his skill level that I'm embarrassed. That's something a fan would say ofc, doesnt mean it's true. I wasnt implying it had anything to do with JD, rather the opponent he played which happend to be JD. He got outplayed at every corner and shit snowballs.
Flash's play is predicated on his preparedness and decision making. I don't think you can say he made a single good decision that entire game. Nothing he did besides planting mines helped him get an advantage in that game.
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On June 22 2011 21:02 GG.NoRe wrote: Guys, especiall JD doubters. Let me tell you something so you dont make the same mistake next time.
JD doesnt lose to some random noob like ssak or classic early in the tournament. NEVER. He only exits as the champion or Ro8/Ro4 when he is too tired of winning already and wants to give new kids a chance.
Now you know. Can you please show some grace in victory, I think the Flash fans are already depressed enough as it is. And JD lost to Hogil in the last OSL...
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On June 22 2011 20:59 gngfn wrote: All the smiling from Flash every time he loses is getting a little insulting at this point. You can do that when you lose one game in ten, not when you're 4-6. it is. kind of insulting at any score.
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On June 22 2011 21:00 Kyuki wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 20:57 TwoToneTerran wrote: Absolutely the worst game I've ever seen flash play, skillwise. You could argue that for most matches that Flash wins his opponent plays the worst game of his life. That's what happens when you get dominated, you get offsync. Considering how this game went, I think Flash actually did a really good job.
No, Flash had played shit for weeks now. His MSL run has been the only exception, where his opposition has been bad anyway. In light of the matchup and the players' respective histories, Jaedong isn't supposed to consistently dominate Flash this hard.
Last time Flash had a decline, it lasted for nearly two years. I feel that it's a downwards spiral at the moment, and it's been going on for some time now. It's been depressing to watch him for quite some time, as his play is rarely inspiring these days.
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On June 22 2011 21:03 J1.au wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 20:59 gngfn wrote: All the smiling from Flash every time he loses is getting a little insulting at this point. You can do that when you lose one game in ten, not when you're 4-6. It's really pathetic that Flash smiling upsets you.
especially with his new set of chompers
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On June 22 2011 21:02 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 21:02 GG.NoRe wrote: Guys, especiall JD doubters. Let me tell you something so you dont make the same mistake next time.
JD doesnt lose to some random noob like ssak or classic early in the tournament. NEVER. He only exits as the champion or Ro8/Ro4 when he is too tired of winning already and wants to give new kids a chance.
Now you know. He got beat last OSL by Hogil. He lost all of his units that game, including his drones. Didn't have 50 minerals to make another.
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On June 22 2011 21:03 hellbound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 21:01 Kyuki wrote:On June 22 2011 20:59 tabula rasa wrote: correct me if i'm wrong, but flash couldn't make a cc because his marines spawned outside of his base, leading them to be immediately devoured by lings. he needed another barracks to produce marines. although i'm not sure why he kept producing marines from his first barracks This is pretty much correct and also the reason why JD 7 pooled. Very clever tbh, had Flash played greedy he'd have a very hard time vs agression, so he choose to play safe, something JD pretty much expected and droned up and got lair even before speed. Sick mindgames going on. Are you sure that the marines would spawn outside the wall in all starting locations? If not you can't say it was the reason behind the 7pool. Looked more like a blind attempt to kill a 14cc, Flash has been using that for his last few vZ games.
No but I think it's true for both top spawn positions, and since JD spawned bot he palyed his odds out. That's my thought atleast, correct me if I'm wrong.
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Aah oh man, so much TvZ I REALLY need to do that analysis of Batoo 2008 my TOP #1 BO5 series to watch for the crazy-ass mindgames and strategy going on. Then go see 2007 GGPlay Iris
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MSL: JD 2-0 in group stage, beats Flash. Flash wins the tournament OSL: JD 2-0 in group stage, beats Flash. ????????
It's all playing out just perfectly.
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On June 22 2011 21:03 Koka-kola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 20:59 gngfn wrote: All the smiling from Flash every time he loses is getting a little insulting at this point. You can do that when you lose one game in ten, not when you're 4-6. it is. kind of insulting at any score.
i rather he smile than go into emo-mode and slump
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On June 22 2011 21:04 tabula rasa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 21:02 TwoToneTerran wrote:On June 22 2011 21:02 GG.NoRe wrote: Guys, especiall JD doubters. Let me tell you something so you dont make the same mistake next time.
JD doesnt lose to some random noob like ssak or classic early in the tournament. NEVER. He only exits as the champion or Ro8/Ro4 when he is too tired of winning already and wants to give new kids a chance.
Now you know. He got beat last OSL by Hogil. He lost all of his units that game, including his drones. Didn't have 50 minerals to make another.
Yes, this is one way you can lose.
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
JD has the mentality of a champion. So, he still keeps thinking how to win despite all odds and lose streaks.
There are two players with this mentality in Starcraft now, the question is will we see another one? That would make the pro scene so much more interesting. And this will also signify the non-stop development of Starcraft.
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On June 22 2011 21:03 Koka-kola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 20:59 gngfn wrote: All the smiling from Flash every time he loses is getting a little insulting at this point. You can do that when you lose one game in ten, not when you're 4-6. it is. kind of insulting at any score. WTF? there's people saying you can't smile when you lose?
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Netherlands45349 Posts
On June 22 2011 21:03 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 21:01 Kipsate wrote: So now what will happen is
Bogus(or hyun, who cares)>>each other
Flash>>>said player
???
OSL finals Lee sang rok
Jaedong OSL.
profit. JD could easily fall in the following rounds, especially if he meets a zerg
hey, dont spoil my happiness :<.
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Jaedong just has flash's number, unfortunately overall flash is just the more dominating player
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On June 22 2011 21:03 J1.au wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 20:59 gngfn wrote: All the smiling from Flash every time he loses is getting a little insulting at this point. You can do that when you lose one game in ten, not when you're 4-6. It's really pathetic that Flash smiling upsets you.
Exactly. He can smile all he wants as long as he keeps losing to JD.
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I'm very glad of this performance of JD. So beautiful to see JD taking games from flash :D
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