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Honestly, this was not a good TvT. The reaction times were often bad, and there are long periods of inactivity at times there shouldn't have been any. No.
Both teams performing below expectations that its actually hard to say who will win. I already feel pity to whichever team continues their losing streak.
On May 16 2011 13:51 iamho wrote: Its really unbelievable how bad these two teams are.. well, maybe not oz, but stx looked like it had a great lineup coming into this season
I think the problem is that ace players from STX burn out quickly. You could say that Kal and Calm - players who were only below S-class - entered ketchup-slow slumps that turned them into almost average players.
On May 16 2011 16:37 DarkMatter_ wrote: I'm rooting for Oz of course but I feel bad for STX. I wish the good guys didn't have to fight each other for a spot in the playoffs.
lol everyone claiming they are the good guys and almost everyone else is the bad guys. Someone should make a thread where we decide who is good and bad with a poll
On May 16 2011 16:37 DarkMatter_ wrote: I'm rooting for Oz of course but I feel bad for STX. I wish the good guys didn't have to fight each other for a spot in the playoffs.
lol everyone claiming they are the good guys and almost everyone else is the bad guys. Someone should make a thread where we decide who is good and bad with a poll
On May 16 2011 16:37 DarkMatter_ wrote: I'm rooting for Oz of course but I feel bad for STX. I wish the good guys didn't have to fight each other for a spot in the playoffs.
lol everyone claiming they are the good guys and almost everyone else is the bad guys. Someone should make a thread where we decide who is good and bad with a poll
SKT and KT are the bad guys. Everyone else are good guys, and Ace are heroes. Simple as that lol
On May 16 2011 16:37 DarkMatter_ wrote: I'm rooting for Oz of course but I feel bad for STX. I wish the good guys didn't have to fight each other for a spot in the playoffs.
lol everyone claiming they are the good guys and almost everyone else is the bad guys. Someone should make a thread where we decide who is good and bad with a poll
Well isn't that easy?
Evil:
SKT CJ
Good:
The rest.
lol, at least we agree that SKT is evil no matter what.
On May 16 2011 16:37 DarkMatter_ wrote: I'm rooting for Oz of course but I feel bad for STX. I wish the good guys didn't have to fight each other for a spot in the playoffs.
lol everyone claiming they are the good guys and almost everyone else is the bad guys. Someone should make a thread where we decide who is good and bad with a poll
SKT and KT are the bad guys. Everyone else are good guys, and Ace are heroes. Simple as that lol
On May 16 2011 16:37 DarkMatter_ wrote: I'm rooting for Oz of course but I feel bad for STX. I wish the good guys didn't have to fight each other for a spot in the playoffs.
lol everyone claiming they are the good guys and almost everyone else is the bad guys. Someone should make a thread where we decide who is good and bad with a poll
Well isn't that easy?
Evil:
SKT CJ
Good:
The rest.
lol, at least we agree that SKT is evil no matter what.
if you asked me a while ago then I'd say KT was evil and CJ might have been one of the good guys.
But after Hydra pulled the stuns he did and is a core player of the team and ever since Stats dressed up as Waldo and Action as Vegeta.
ya i sorta fixed it. but it is really annoying to make a whole new set of polls. ive seen people link the polls. if i do that then if people vote in both polls how would it work
On May 16 2011 17:14 vishrut wrote: ya i sorta fixed it. but it is really annoying to make a whole new set of polls. ive seen people link the polls. if i do that then if people vote in both polls how would it work
I'm not sure what do you mean. If you link a poll again, it'll show the same results, people cant vote on it again.
So... that's a question?:D People can vote on polls anywhere they see them, but only once on one poll. If you want, you can just remake those polls with the correct question/options on them, and just delete the old ones from your post.
On May 16 2011 17:35 EndlessPain wrote: KT is Satan
pfft KT isn't evil, they're a cuddly, yet manly and honorable team led by the mighty mantoss and storm zerg, with champions such as the chin, mafiazerg and the ultimate weapon. + Show Spoiler +
If only Violet, Forgg and lux were still around
Everyone knows the only truly evil team is SKT, no two ways about it.
On May 16 2011 17:35 EndlessPain wrote: KT is Satan
pfft KT isn't evil, they're a cuddly, yet manly and honorable team led by the mighty mantoss and storm zerg, with champions such as the chin, mafiazerg and the ultimate weapon. + Show Spoiler +
If only Violet, Forgg and lux were still around
It's at least a little ironic you argue for the cuddly innocence of KT, and at the same time wish for the matchfixing Luxury to be back :-p imo he's not worthy company to Violet and ForGG in that spoiler.
lux was awesome, even having made a mistake (and paying for it dearly). And its not just lux, I miss Hwasin, go.go, type-b, yarnc and upmagic (no, not savior).
On May 16 2011 17:54 moopie wrote: lux was awesome, even having made a mistake (and paying for it dearly). And its not just lux, I miss Hwasin, go.go, type-b, yarnc and upmagic (no, not savior).
Why dont you miss savior then? I agree to miss the often awesome play of Hwasin or Upmagic too, but knowing they were throwing games for money, I could never call them awesome again. As for paying for it dearly, sure, I bet it sucked for them too, but the disgrace of a community cannot be erased with a monetary fee, jailtime, or a revoked license.
Why not savior? well for one because he brokered that shit (along with justin) and is largely responsible for all those players' downfall, and also because unlike the others that apologized and awaited their verdict, savior continued to lie up until the trial, even when his involvement was well known. I lost all my respect for him.
sHy got too agressive and mismicroed a little at Shuttle's nat. That said, Shuttle's goon micro was pretty impressive, I dont think she wasted a single shot on overkilling anything.
On May 16 2011 18:15 Apex wrote: Dream League Bonjwa he may be, but Shy just doesn't seem to have it figured out in the big leagues.
Shy GGs
Oz 0 Stx 1
You could see when they were showing his face, the kid seems to have stage-fright issues.
On May 16 2011 18:16 moochu wrote: I forget is it shy or sky that showed some decent games?
Both Shy and Sky have faltered immensely. It's probably Shy though you're thinking of seeing as Shy has won 3 games and Sky only one.
Poor Jaedong though. Can't catch a break and it looks like STX is trying to snipe him against Calm seeing as Calm would be practicing his vZ a lot because of the MSL
Yes, it's actually a nice read by the STX coaching team, if Last wins (...), it's an outstanding victory, if he loses, at least they spared their aces for the rest of Oz.
I'm pretty sure he could've broken the nat with just two sunkens and one (?) lurker, although JD probably would've made it back in time with the mutas to clean up...
2 science vessels sitting in the main, dropships are out too
JD is making a lot of lurkers at his nat, Last on the move with his forces
Dropships heading towards the main
Meanwhile JD has guardians in the making near Last's nat
D-matrixed dropships enter into the main marines are dropped, lings and lurkers arrive, swarm goes up! Marines move around the geyser, some drones are dead
another drop
GREATER SPIRE IN THE RED Drones are dead inside the main
all of jaedong's drones were killed in his main and nat, despite his nice defense. the drops were just too much. guardians attacking last's nat but wraiths come out and drop at jaedong's 7 o clock!
Jaedong could be coming back. Think that Last could have been a little more active in his drops, he could have sniped an evo chamber which would put Jaedong's ups behind.
SV are gettings scourged, JD having an overwhelming army, however fresh marines are able to halt this onslaught but more of JD's reinforcements arrive and it's all too clear this is over
That was a really great sniping-build by Last (since Jaedong always seems to always play un Circuit Breaker or La Mancha, it's pretty easy to predict). He was so close to breaking Jaedong, killing so many drones.
Wow awesome game. Nice harass play by Last but he couldn't defend his third and later on his fourth, that cost him the game. Also JD racked up a LOT of gas for cows while Last fell behind upgrades and no tanks with siege either.
Last doing the most abusive tactics (matrixed dropships, abusing the lack of spire units) hoping to catch JD offguard. I see a lot of potential in Last : )
Last just not aggressive enough, he was two steps away from beating JD, but I gave him credit for this game. It was a good game by him, but just not aggressive enough.
On May 16 2011 18:52 chongu wrote: Last doing the most abusive tactics (matrixed dropships, abusing the lack of spire units) hoping to catch JD offguard. I see a lot of potential in Last : )
I think that was more the Dong BM and thinking the game was over with his guardians, so he didnt mind Lasts army raiding his main, until they were all gone, including his guardians
Last poked a nice hold in Jaedong's defenses. I'm not sure why he didn't persist with the drops -- Jaedong was without scourges for so long, and he had enough vessels to kill off the defilers. Instead he chose to expand, and did a half-assed job with it, allowing two bases to get taken down by a control group of lings.
As usual, Jaedong swarm+cow autowin imba, but he was close to not getting there this time.
What really cost Last the game imho was his carelessness with his units, especially vessels. He got way too way too much stuff plagued(and sometimes destroyed) when Jaedong had virtually no units.
On May 16 2011 18:52 chongu wrote: Last doing the most abusive tactics (matrixed dropships, abusing the lack of spire units) hoping to catch JD offguard. I see a lot of potential in Last : )
I think that was more the Dong BM and thinking the game was over with his guardians, so he didnt mind Lasts army raiding his main, until they were all gone, including his guardians
bm means bad manner don't use it if you don't know its meaning
Jaedong played really sloppy in the beginning, but catching up with this massive drops better and better and than makes a beautiful comeback. Incredible to watch him push back the terran all over the map.
On May 16 2011 18:59 Aus)MaCrO wrote: Last isn't bad, but the commentators seemed to be saying "multitasking" a lot. I guess they were implying that Last's multitasking was lacking?
It was, It was pretty obvious that his hands couldn't keep up with JD's.
On May 16 2011 18:52 chongu wrote: Last doing the most abusive tactics (matrixed dropships, abusing the lack of spire units) hoping to catch JD offguard. I see a lot of potential in Last : )
I think that was more the Dong BM and thinking the game was over with his guardians, so he didnt mind Lasts army raiding his main, until they were all gone, including his guardians
bm means bad manner don't use it if you don't know its meaning
On May 16 2011 18:52 chongu wrote: Last doing the most abusive tactics (matrixed dropships, abusing the lack of spire units) hoping to catch JD offguard. I see a lot of potential in Last : )
I think that was more the Dong BM and thinking the game was over with his guardians, so he didnt mind Lasts army raiding his main, until they were all gone, including his guardians
bm means bad manner don't use it if you don't know its meaning
The BM usage here was correct.
what GG meant to say is that JD was cocky enough to not use anti-air units to assist the guardians before it was too late.
On May 16 2011 18:52 chongu wrote: Last doing the most abusive tactics (matrixed dropships, abusing the lack of spire units) hoping to catch JD offguard. I see a lot of potential in Last : )
I think that was more the Dong BM and thinking the game was over with his guardians, so he didnt mind Lasts army raiding his main, until they were all gone, including his guardians
bm means bad manner don't use it if you don't know its meaning
The BM usage here was correct.
what GG meant to say is that JD was cocky enough to not use anti-air units to assist the guardians before it was too late.
Yeah... I dunno why hed even bother to educate me with what BM means LOL
On May 16 2011 18:52 chongu wrote: Last doing the most abusive tactics (matrixed dropships, abusing the lack of spire units) hoping to catch JD offguard. I see a lot of potential in Last : )
I think that was more the Dong BM and thinking the game was over with his guardians, so he didnt mind Lasts army raiding his main, until they were all gone, including his guardians
bm means bad manner don't use it if you don't know its meaning
The BM usage here was correct.
what GG meant to say is that JD was cocky enough to not use anti-air units to assist the guardians before it was too late.
Are you seriously saying that JD was showing off against Last in a PL match?Thats the last person i'd expect to do so, and in a team league.He wasn't cocky, he was playing to win from start to the end. And even if he did, which he didn't, thats not bad manner. Get your shit straight before you call JD bm next time.
On May 16 2011 18:55 okum wrote: Instead he chose to expand, and did a half-assed job with it, allowing two bases to get taken down by a control group of lings.
Ya, I think a better Terran would've been able to expand a lot better and more safely behind all that pressure.
On May 16 2011 18:52 chongu wrote: Last doing the most abusive tactics (matrixed dropships, abusing the lack of spire units) hoping to catch JD offguard. I see a lot of potential in Last : )
I think that was more the Dong BM and thinking the game was over with his guardians, so he didnt mind Lasts army raiding his main, until they were all gone, including his guardians
bm means bad manner don't use it if you don't know its meaning
The BM usage here was correct.
what GG meant to say is that JD was cocky enough to not use anti-air units to assist the guardians before it was too late.
Are you seriously saying that JD was showing off against Last in a PL match?Thats the last person i'd expect to do so, and in a team league.He wasn't cocky, he was playing to win from start to the end. And even if he did, which he didn't, thats not bad manner. Get your shit straight before you call JD bm next time.
Usage of the phrase "BM" was correct however Jaedong was being BM. So just a misunderstanding guys ^^
On May 16 2011 18:52 chongu wrote: Last doing the most abusive tactics (matrixed dropships, abusing the lack of spire units) hoping to catch JD offguard. I see a lot of potential in Last : )
I think that was more the Dong BM and thinking the game was over with his guardians, so he didnt mind Lasts army raiding his main, until they were all gone, including his guardians
bm means bad manner don't use it if you don't know its meaning
The BM usage here was correct.
what GG meant to say is that JD was cocky enough to not use anti-air units to assist the guardians before it was too late.
Are you seriously saying that JD was showing off against Last in a PL match?Thats the last person i'd expect to do so, and in a team league.He wasn't cocky, he was playing to win from start to the end. And even if he did, which he didn't, thats not bad manner. Get your shit straight before you call JD bm next time.
Usage of the phrase "BM" was correct however Jaedong was being BM. So just a misunderstanding guys ^^
LOL JD fan? Lets cool it and watch this excellent TvT going on now shall we EDIT: Meant for Hitachi! Thanks Shader being a cool head
On May 16 2011 18:52 chongu wrote: Last doing the most abusive tactics (matrixed dropships, abusing the lack of spire units) hoping to catch JD offguard. I see a lot of potential in Last : )
I think that was more the Dong BM and thinking the game was over with his guardians, so he didnt mind Lasts army raiding his main, until they were all gone, including his guardians
bm means bad manner don't use it if you don't know its meaning
The BM usage here was correct.
what GG meant to say is that JD was cocky enough to not use anti-air units to assist the guardians before it was too late.
Are you seriously saying that JD was showing off against Last in a PL match?Thats the last person i'd expect to do so, and in a team league.He wasn't cocky, he was playing to win from start to the end. And even if he did, which he didn't, thats not bad manner. Get your shit straight before you call JD bm next time.
lol chill .. I not the one saying JD is BM or anything. I never saw that part of the game, started wathcing the match when wraiths were killing guardians.
GG was the one that said it. It was his interpretation so he was correct in using the term.
Hiya still sniping tanks with his cloaked wraiths, Bogus makes a valk to counter the wraiths, no good as the valk is sniped after firing and killing 1 wraith.
On May 16 2011 18:52 chongu wrote: Last doing the most abusive tactics (matrixed dropships, abusing the lack of spire units) hoping to catch JD offguard. I see a lot of potential in Last : )
I think that was more the Dong BM and thinking the game was over with his guardians, so he didnt mind Lasts army raiding his main, until they were all gone, including his guardians
bm means bad manner don't use it if you don't know its meaning
The BM usage here was correct.
what GG meant to say is that JD was cocky enough to not use anti-air units to assist the guardians before it was too late.
Are you seriously saying that JD was showing off against Last in a PL match?Thats the last person i'd expect to do so, and in a team league.He wasn't cocky, he was playing to win from start to the end. And even if he did, which he didn't, thats not bad manner. Get your shit straight before you call JD bm next time.
lol chill .. I not the one saying JD is BM or anything. I never saw that part of the game, started wathcing the match when wraiths were killing guardians.
GG was the one that said it. It was his interpretation so he was correct in using the term.
Stop it already. I know what I said and I know what he said. End of this little squabble pls
Hiya getting more starports, huge air forces incoming Hiya snipes a DS at 6
both air forces collide, valks are firing everywhere, both units cloak and it appears Hiya is victorious in that air battle Hiya didn't kill the scv though at 6
Bogus mining out in his main Hiya starts another expo at 5
Bogus nabs another tank with his wraiths Bogus has +2
Bogus moves in on Hiya's 2 o clock, CC under fire, CC goes boom
Hiya kills some tanks with his wraiths instead of contronting Bogus's airforce
HERE COMES THE BATTLE! Can't tell what's happening, a lot of dead wraith noises. Hiya attacking from different angles, bogus bugs out after he loses his valks
Damnit, I wanna see some good old-fashioned Goli+Tank+Dropship play. This wraith stuff is exciting when it happens only once in a while, but I find myself bored by it when it happens every single TvT.
Killer moving his lings down the ramp and killing a few of Calm's, he breaks out, Calm adds spires to his nat and his main, as well as sunkens behind an evo chamber
Mini dong runs past the sunken and into the main
There's a sunken there but it goes down quickly, now the drones are under attackk
Killer sending more lings to the nat, the sunken there falls
Mutas pop for both players
No mining happening at the nat for calm, lings destory the spore there as well
Mutas are forced to fight at both the nat and the main
Killer moving his mutas to the mineral line in the main and snipes 1 or 2 drones
On May 16 2011 19:58 Rustymike wrote: god I hope that Killer becomes the next great thing that OZ produces, he has, to me at least an aura of likability.
On May 16 2011 20:01 mustaju wrote: GG Oz. Well played. STX will probably end r5 with a single win.
? Why the sudden pessimism, there are still 2-3 sets left from this very match, let alone the round...
We only have Kal and Hero to win this before the Ace Match. Noone we have can beat JD in Ace. So I'm just admitting defeat to try to scramble together some dignity for when we lose.
EDIT: And the next match will be against Woongjin Stars. It's hard not to see STX as a huge underdog vs. Woongjin.
On May 16 2011 20:01 mustaju wrote: GG Oz. Well played. STX will probably end r5 with a single win.
? Why the sudden pessimism, there are still 2-3 sets left from this very match, let alone the round...
We only have Kal and Hero to win this before the Ace Match. Noone we have can beat JD in Ace. So I'm just admitting defeat to try to scramble together some dignity for when we lose.
Then what if we win after all?:-p Kal might be in terrible form, but look at who does OZ have left to field after this set? Backho, Anytime, Lomo, Dear: not the strongest of lineups either.
I'm looking forward to hyvaa's zvp, his last game against M18M seemed promising, even though he did some elaborate cheesing in the beginning
On May 16 2011 19:58 Rustymike wrote: god I hope that Killer becomes the next great thing that OZ produces, he has, to me at least an aura of likability.
OZ "producing", developing players? No way!
Oops, let me rephrase that. I hope that JD morphs Killer into beast mode.
On May 16 2011 20:16 kuroshiroi wrote: Why did Hyvaa place his other two hatcheries there? Isn't the standard ZvP placement in another main and natural? Is it because of Aztec?
even on aztec Zergs take the other natural as their third...
On May 16 2011 20:01 mustaju wrote: GG Oz. Well played. STX will probably end r5 with a single win.
? Why the sudden pessimism, there are still 2-3 sets left from this very match, let alone the round...
We only have Kal and Hero to win this before the Ace Match. Noone we have can beat JD in Ace. So I'm just admitting defeat to try to scramble together some dignity for when we lose.
Then what if we win after all?:-p Kal might be in terrible form, but look at who does OZ have left to field after this set? Backho, Anytime, Lomo, Dear: not the strongest of lineups either.
I'm looking forward to hyvaa's zvp, his last game against M18M seemed promising, even though he did some elaborate cheesing in the beginning
Pessimism is also a very Estonian trait. I wouldn't mind winning at all, I'm just saying it's unlikely.
On May 16 2011 20:16 kuroshiroi wrote: Why did Hyvaa place his other two hatcheries there? Isn't the standard ZvP placement in another main and natural? Is it because of Aztec?
So he can flank like this? Very nicely planned game so far
On May 16 2011 20:22 sixfour wrote: who voted yes on that?
I did. I admit I'm a bit biased towards STX, but as I said above, I was really impressed with Hyyva's play. Fake hydra pressure to secure 4 bases and force cannons. He didnt took the other main as most zergs would have, but expanded towards Perfectman very agressively, which lead to an easier harass-defense (from the inevitable templar-harass), and very good flanking and defense opportunities. (see simcity at 3 o'clock, then the counterattack to keep pman on two bases while staging a clutch delayed defense at his third against pman's main army, because he knew he had great flanking possibilities due to the position of his 4th and his outlying army, and that once that protoss army was gone he surely had the game due to the opening)
All in all, it seemed like a very well planned and decently executed game to me, without any crucial mistakes from the opponent. (sure, pman could have saved that shuttle with the hts, and probably shouldnt have expanded in that direction with the third, but otherwise he was just taking the turns he was forced to take, and showed pretty good macro nonetheless, just couldnt do anything with it due to imba zerg simcity)
On May 16 2011 20:30 kuroshiroi wrote: So Kal isn't even playing today? What happened to him...
Maybe he'll play the ace, although that would be suicide against JD.
I think the coaching staff is letting him relax and gather his thoughts, he is something like 1-6 this round. Not to mention OZ was probably expecting him for this set (this seems to be one of the maps he's practicing on too).
I would be greatly suprised if he was sent out for the ace match, I think we should expect Bogus or Calm, against Killer :-p
Hero almost scourge some of Princess's mutas, mutas battle taking place, Hero retreating iwth his lone muta
Shot of JD looking very closely at this match
Princess makes some lings and sends them into Hero's base, 2 die to the sunken at the nat, the rest make it into the mienral line, couple of drones dead, mutas clean up the lings though
Meanwhile princess snipes an overlord with his mutas
Hero opting for an evo chamber now. Princess's mutas head for Hero's main, but they retreat to defend the main that's now under attack by Hero, mutas snipe a few drones. Hero losing all his mutas
On May 16 2011 20:39 shucklesors wrote: I hope they send Kal, it'll be quite funny. There's this possibility JD completely does not expect it though, could spell disaster :O
Yeah, and the Kal vs JD games are normally super-awesome!
On May 16 2011 20:39 shucklesors wrote: I hope they send Kal, it'll be quite funny. There's this possibility JD completely does not expect it though, could spell disaster :O
Historically though, Kal has had major problems with Jaedong. His matchup record versus Jaedong isn't necessarily pretty. With that being said though, it's entirely possible.
JD's current hair reminds me of his during his early and mid-2009 domination. Maybe Flash needs to whip out his 2009 hair color to re-assert his domination too.
On May 16 2011 20:54 mnesthes wrote: JD's current hair reminds me of his during his early and mid-2009 domination. Maybe Flash needs to whip out his 2009 hair color to re-assert his domination too.
i think flash needs to use his black kt shirt again. its looked so much better
On May 16 2011 20:54 mnesthes wrote: JD's current hair reminds me of his during his early and mid-2009 domination. Maybe Flash needs to whip out his 2009 hair color to re-assert his domination too.
i think flash needs to use his black kt shirt again. its looked so much better
Yeah that too. But it was the white shirt that he used to win dual leagues
On May 16 2011 20:54 mnesthes wrote: JD's current hair reminds me of his during his early and mid-2009 domination. Maybe Flash needs to whip out his 2009 hair color to re-assert his domination too.
i think flash needs to use his black kt shirt again. its looked so much better
On May 16 2011 21:03 okum wrote: Crazy powerful push. I didn't catch the start of the game -- how did Bogus end up with so many units and Jaedong with so few?
On May 16 2011 21:03 okum wrote: Crazy powerful push. I didn't catch the start of the game -- how did Bogus end up with so many units and Jaedong with so few?
Congrats mustaju :D
14cc advantage+mutas not dealing much damage. Bogus just moved out with a timing push.
Fuck JD, you did it with your own hands, just with your own hands you ruined a should-have-been victory. How many aces did JD have already lost anybody?
Bogus must have saved up at least 6 scans for that push. I thought he would run out of it and then the guardians would save jaedong, but the scans kept on coming
On May 16 2011 21:05 letian wrote: Fuck JD, you did it with your own hands, just with your own hands you ruined a should-have-been victory. How many aces did JD have already lost anybody?
I agree, Jaedong is a fucking loser. His team would be so much better without him.
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This victory is bittersweet. Though we most definitely needed one, seeing JD's expression after that game... Nevermind, I'm gonna celebrate. Thanks for bashing me for being wrong, helps me be more positive in the future.
I think that 14 CC with a good timing push is a very good strat unless it is smartly countered by 4 pool or else, why JD, why do always do the same chit again and again!, nah
On May 16 2011 21:07 letian wrote: I think that 14 CC with a good timing push is a very good strat unless it is smartly countered by 4 pool or else, why JD, why do always do the same chit again and again!, nah
What do you meant "smartly"? It's a blind counter -_-
On May 16 2011 21:05 letian wrote: Fuck JD, you did it with your own hands, just with your own hands you ruined a should-have-been victory. How many aces did JD have already lost anybody?
I can't tell you that, but I can tell you that Michael Jordan has lost over 300 games, and missed 26 game-deciding shots in his career.
On May 16 2011 21:07 letian wrote: I think that 14 CC with a good timing push is a very good strat unless it is smartly countered by 4 pool or else, why JD, why do always do the same chit again and again!, nah
Would you just stop with your non-sense? Jaedong is 8-2 in his last 10 zvt's and 16-4 in the last 20. Get over yourself. Sometimes you just lose.
On May 16 2011 21:07 letian wrote: I think that 14 CC with a good timing push is a very good strat unless it is smartly countered by 4 pool or else, why JD, why do always do the same chit again and again!, nah
What do you meant "smartly"? It's a blind counter -_-
I think its quite normal for a player try to foresee the possible bo's of the opponent, you can take a map into an account, opponent's recent bo's and a lot of other stuff, so you can make a smart choice of not compete with a disadvantage or possible disadvantage of the initial bo.
On May 16 2011 21:05 letian wrote: Fuck JD, you did it with your own hands, just with your own hands you ruined a should-have-been victory. How many aces did JD have already lost anybody?
I agree, Jaedong is a fucking loser. His team would be so much better without him.
Of all the ways to get back on the win train, this has got to be the least expected. Bogus has been a complete badass this season, so it's fitting that he's carrying us. I'm also really happy Hyvaa picked up a win there.
On May 16 2011 21:07 letian wrote: I think that 14 CC with a good timing push is a very good strat unless it is smartly countered by 4 pool or else, why JD, why do always do the same chit again and again!, nah
Would you just stop with your non-sense? Jaedong is 8-2 in his last 10 zvt's and 16-4 in the last 20. Get over yourself. Sometimes you just lose.
I guess you were not following his recent games, do you? I'm not talking about his records now.
This loss is not just a typical loss, its an ACE game, gush, you can lose an ordinary game and win ace, wtf all these victories were for then? And just when I was thinking that JD might lose ACE, cause he quite frequently does, bam! OZ continue their streak of losses... ><
On May 16 2011 21:07 letian wrote: I think that 14 CC with a good timing push is a very good strat unless it is smartly countered by 4 pool or else, why JD, why do always do the same chit again and again!, nah
Would you just stop with your non-sense? Jaedong is 8-2 in his last 10 zvt's and 16-4 in the last 20. Get over yourself. Sometimes you just lose.
I guess you were not following his recent games, do you? I'm not talking about his records now.
He lost 4 PL games in three different match-ups recently and you talk about "he is doing the same shit all over again"?, while his winning percentage has been outstanding in april/early may. You are just annoying. I guess I've fed enough trolls today.
On May 16 2011 21:05 letian wrote: Fuck JD, you did it with your own hands, just with your own hands you ruined a should-have-been victory. How many aces did JD have already lost anybody?
I agree, Jaedong is a fucking loser. His team would be so much better without him.
On May 16 2011 21:05 letian wrote: Fuck JD, you did it with your own hands, just with your own hands you ruined a should-have-been victory. How many aces did JD have already lost anybody?
I agree, Jaedong is a fucking loser. His team would be so much better without him.
On May 16 2011 21:03 GG.NoRe wrote: wtf is with this greater spire play lately!!!?
Just missed this game but reading through the thread, JD went guardians twice? Seems a bit odd!
Congrats to STX and thank you to hero for failing again to save my FPL
Yes. Not really. First time his guardian "all-in" failed so he had to go the long way with defiler lurkling. 2nd one he had to gg before his mutas could even cocoon.
At first i thought it was JD just playing some mindgames vs Flash on what to expect for the MSL. But this is crazy, considering he could have ended it mid game.
On May 16 2011 21:07 letian wrote: I think that 14 CC with a good timing push is a very good strat unless it is smartly countered by 4 pool or else, why JD, why do always do the same chit again and again!, nah
Would you just stop with your non-sense? Jaedong is 8-2 in his last 10 zvt's and 16-4 in the last 20. Get over yourself. Sometimes you just lose.
I guess you were not following his recent games, do you? I'm not talking about his records now.
He lost 4 PL games in three different match-ups recently and you talk about "he is doing the same shit all over again"?, while his winning percentage has been outstanding in april/early may. You are just annoying. I guess I've fed enough trolls today.
You misunderstood, I think I should explain "he is doing the same shit all over again"? was about his bo and recent play style, I became angry and just wanted to say that he should be more flexible and try some all-in build to punish terran greed.
On May 16 2011 21:05 letian wrote: Fuck JD, you did it with your own hands, just with your own hands you ruined a should-have-been victory. How many aces did JD have already lost anybody?
I agree, Jaedong is a fucking loser. His team would be so much better without him.
Is this sarcasm? It has to be.
It is.
You know Malinor, you're being quite disrespectful, try to bear with the fact that there are actually fans, and they get upset when their player gets crushed in Ace matches, I think its quite normal. Some attitude pls.
Jaedong really needs to get himself together in proleague, his results are definitely not reflecting how good he is or how he;s preforming in the individual league.
On May 16 2011 22:09 tomatriedes wrote: I have a question- is there any chance of a 9 pool doing enough damage to disrupt a 14 CC or does it have to be a 4 pool?
Watch sAviOr vs UpMaGiC Game 3 from Lost Saga MSL 2009. 9 pool usually kills 14cc outright.
9pool kills 14CC because then you have the sufficient economy to stream unending waves of lings into the Terran base. 4pool gets lings out earlier than 9pool but then you wouldn't have the economy to get as many lings as 9pool does after the first wave. About the Great vs Leta game, Leta also got lucky because it was cross position, if it had been close position he would have been fucked outright.
The ace match was pretty reminiscent of how Flash killed JD in all a lot of the matches in last year's finals, 14cc into 2 base turtle into pre-defiler timing push on a T favoured map. I guess Jaedong should have skipped the greater spire and made more lurkers, or something?
On May 17 2011 00:03 kuroshiroi wrote: The ace match was pretty reminiscent of how Flash killed JD in all a lot of the matches in last year's finals, 14cc into 2 base turtle into pre-defiler timing push on a T favoured map. I guess Jaedong should have skipped the greater spire and made more lurkers, or something?
He wasn't far from getting defilers out too. I think any units would have been better than what he did. Having rushed hive/gspire/defiler mound left him with not enough to deal with the timing push. He probably could have just had a lot more lings/muta/lurker and held the push better.
Come on Jaedong! I want to be able to watch your games in the MSL without being afraid of you dropping out. Please start dominating the proleague too. It makes me sad to see Oz lose because of you.
its been hard being a oz fan nowadays, you see your ace player getting bullied on a consistent basis while his team being a total failure at times when it counts and when your ace player decides to step it up his game and start winning against better players he start losing to lousier players. oh the irony
On May 16 2011 22:09 tomatriedes wrote: I have a question- is there any chance of a 9 pool doing enough damage to disrupt a 14 CC or does it have to be a 4 pool?
Watch sAviOr vs UpMaGiC Game 3 from Lost Saga MSL 2009. 9 pool usually kills 14cc outright.
On May 17 2011 02:02 Kipsate wrote: I had an exam when Oz played.
I come home and I see 4-3 with Jaedong losing the Ace
FML i'm not even going to watch that game, it will be too painfull for me.
Lol since a very long time I only watch games that Bisu won and never watch games that he lost, and I recommend his every win and vote "no" for any of his losses. See how awesome I am ?
On May 16 2011 22:09 tomatriedes wrote: I have a question- is there any chance of a 9 pool doing enough damage to disrupt a 14 CC or does it have to be a 4 pool?
Watch sAviOr vs UpMaGiC Game 3 from Lost Saga MSL 2009. 9 pool usually kills 14cc outright.
Why, it's an even better example: 9 pool beats 14cc even when the match was supposed to be fixed the other way :D Gotta love Saviors expression at 2:21, "damn you Up, I'll have a lot of explaining to do now, and it'll cost me a lot of money."
On May 17 2011 02:02 Kipsate wrote: I had an exam when Oz played.
I come home and I see 4-3 with Jaedong losing the Ace
FML i'm not even going to watch that game, it will be too painfull for me.
Lol since a very long time I only watch games that Bisu won and never watch games that he lost, and I recommend his every win and vote "no" for any of his losses. See how awesome I am ?
You really seem proud of it :-p The same mentality often makes polls very spoling of the results, especially when it comes to games of Bisu, JD and ACE in general.
On May 16 2011 22:09 tomatriedes wrote: I have a question- is there any chance of a 9 pool doing enough damage to disrupt a 14 CC or does it have to be a 4 pool?
On May 17 2011 04:12 erin[go]bragh wrote: Mustaju must be so damn happy hahahaha.
Feel bad for the Dong though, man.
Actually, there's little reason to be happy in the team's current position. Calm losing won games vs. SKT, Kal playing at an all time low, Hero on a 7game loss streak, and Shuttle being shaky to say the least?
The loss to SKT still bears heavily on my mind. I still find it a bit hard to forgive Calm for putting me through Game 6, and his silly loss to Killer today just made it worse.
Also, there is nothing worse than seeing Bisu winning against STX players for me, and he did it twice that day. It's the teams fault, and I am very pessimistic about our chances against Woongjin Stars.
On May 16 2011 22:09 tomatriedes wrote: I have a question- is there any chance of a 9 pool doing enough damage to disrupt a 14 CC or does it have to be a 4 pool?
In all honesty, i feel 9 pool speed is better because there is absolutely no way (or time) to get a second barracks up, and the lair will be morphing. At this point they have no turrets, a handful of marines and a bunker. No way to defend against a muta ling attack.
Zergling runby? Try a MnM runby. Thanks to korean air osl s2 finals, everyone knows how to defend 4 pool as terran.
On May 16 2011 18:59 Miragee wrote: Jaedong played really sloppy in the beginning, but catching up with this massive drops better and better and than makes a beautiful comeback. Incredible to watch him push back the terran all over the map.
I wouldn't consider this a comeback--I think Jaedong was ahead all game. It's true that Last did some great harassment, but he was 1-2 bases behind all game long.
On May 16 2011 22:09 tomatriedes wrote: I have a question- is there any chance of a 9 pool doing enough damage to disrupt a 14 CC or does it have to be a 4 pool?
Watch sAviOr vs UpMaGiC Game 3 from Lost Saga MSL 2009. 9 pool usually kills 14cc outright.
really sick game by bogus, glad to see him constantly being put as ace this round finally pay off. he's really improved over this season, I really hope he starts doing better in starleagues soon. too bad we didnt even get to see kal play :\. maybe he just needs some rest or something though.
On May 18 2011 06:42 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Jaedong got rolled straight up. Stop devaluing Bogus' victory and quit crying.
Uh what the fuck, who are you even talking to? All i see is comments saying it was a good push and people disappointed in Jaedong, no one's devaluing anything; what a pointless inciting post.
My thoughts on the last game; I think 14CC vs 12 hatch in those positions is always going to be difficult but Jaedong would clearly rather go for an economic game than coinflip an early pool. I'm surprised he didn't go 2hatch muta and be aggressive and try and end it quickly though, when i see 3hatch muta from that opening it doesn't make much sense. The muta's cannot do enough damage and they can't hold off the inevitable push at all, they can barely even stall cause of the amount of units.
Seems to me like it'd make more sense to go for a lurker opening in this situation. The map looks decent for them and least you can play a more secure defensive game and force the 14CC'er to micro more. Bogus in this case could simply walk very quickly to the other corner and set up position, short of a massive mistake by Bogus he had this totally in the bag. So in my opinion this was strategical mistake, 3hatch muta definitely not an optimal choice. Maybe cross-position.
JD seemed to do pretty damn well with the 3 hatch muta, he just didnt spot that bogus hadnt taken his second gas (timing push skipping vessels). So the push came early with siege and 4 rax and JD's lurkers couldn't get out on the map in time to slow it down.
He did well considering the circumstances still, but i would have liked to see a different response to the 14CC despite his recent success using 3hatch muta regularly. I'm guessing instead of cutting corners and trying to gain an advantage or end the game early JD thought he could simply overcome the economic loss since it was Bogus, maybe a bit of underestimation..
On May 16 2011 18:59 Miragee wrote: Jaedong played really sloppy in the beginning, but catching up with this massive drops better and better and than makes a beautiful comeback. Incredible to watch him push back the terran all over the map.
I wouldn't consider this a comeback--I think Jaedong was ahead all game. It's true that Last did some great harassment, but he was 1-2 bases behind all game long.
Being ahead 1-2 bases means nothing when you have no drones. At one point, Jaedong had almost zero drones at both his main and natural, and his other bases were nowhere close to being saturated. That was most definitely a comeback, and an awesome one at that.
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